Re: PowerMac G5 Performance

2010-07-26 Thread JoeTaxpayer


On Jul 25, 8:00 pm, Eric Herbert goo...@hillcotechnology.com wrote:

 Hopefully that helps!

It sure does. Much appreciated.
I have a wife who actually tells me that we spend on her and our
daughter, but I don't buy much for myself. I am green-lighted to go
full Mac Pro $3K machine, but really wonder what I'll see. I suppose I
should track down an owner who is encoding a DVD to TiVo, and discuss
with him. If the software to do this particular task is not written to
fully use multicore, it seems that I'd see little improvement over
what you suggested the G5 would give me. Not an Intel discussion/
issue, but one of the application itself properly using all cores. I
have 4 of these puppies (the G4 MDD) and offload the encoding to one
with no monitor remotely. If the G5 at 2.5GHz /64 bit gives me the
improvement, I'm not sure how much more a 3GHz machine would,
depending how the SW runs.

BTW - that link? Beautiful - it really gave me the comparison I was
looking for. Again, thanks.

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Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?

2010-07-26 Thread t...@io.com


On Jul 25, 12:31 pm, Eric Herbert goo...@hillcotechnology.com wrote:
 On Jul 25, 2010, at 12:16 PM, ah...clem wrote:

 That said, getting back to the OT and in regards to the OP,
 for the things he wants to do, it seems like a better use of
 time, space, and financial resources to get a computer the
 size of a CD wallet that will do everything he wants to do and more.

Plus, the original poster said that he wants to run MythTV and the
MythTV group just got it running properly on the 2010 Mac Mini.   It
is discussed in the MythTV User email list.

The only disadvantage to a Mini as MythTV back end is that it won't
hold a bunch of drives, and there's no room for internal tuner
cards.   However, if one is using something like the HD Homerun  tuner
(TV tuners with USB or Ethernet interfaces) then the tuner card issue
isn't.  And the NewerTech MiniStack makes a very nice external hard
drive case which stacks perfectly under a mini, although, I think I
might put some little rubber feet on the bottom of each device to
provide a little more air space in between.

Honestly, if the main purpose of a computer is to run MythTV under
Ubuntu, why not just build a PC out of PC parts in a nice PC case?
Something like the Antec 2480 is a beautiful HTPC case but with not a
lot of room for drives.  If one wants terabytes and terabytes
something like the Antec P183 or even the Antec Twelve Hundred might
be a good choice.   And when it's all said and done, it will still
probably cost less than that used G5.

Two years ago I built a MythTV box based on an MSI logic board, Intel
7200 Core 2 Duo and an Antec P180 case.   I think it all cost me less
than $600, including four tuner cards, but not including hard
drives.   I did find some good sales including an in store special on
the case at Frys.

One of these days I might even find the time to actually install
Mythbuntu.  Sigh.

Jeff Walther

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Gerome

   I found this on newegg for $55.00 do you think it would be good for this 
computer??? I can't seem to find any better deals on ebay and this is a new 
one... 
 Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 
3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive... 
   Also I heard some mention about a SATA PCI card, will I still need to get 
this to make better improvement to this machine and will it help the HD too??? 
Thank You!!!   Rich





 Ok the computer was built around July 2002 it has a 466mhz processor, 896mb 
 (1-128mb/1-256mb/1-512mb), ATI rage 128 pro video card, 30G 5400rpm IBM 
 Deskstar HD (March 2001), Sony CD-RW CRX140E, IOMEGA ZIP 250... I think for 
 now all she needs to do is add 2 more 512mb cards, 7200rpm HD, probably 
 that SATA PCI card, and Tiger and I think she will be good to go??? If we 
 get everything used off ebay this should keep the price under $100, I 
 already have the Tiger disc... She has a HP 23 monitor from the PC she is 
 using now but I think she will have to change the video card to run that 
 monitor??? I'm not sure if this Gateway 2000 CrystalScan 16 I found will 
 be good enough though??? This is where I'm at with this right now and it's 
 up to her, I do not think she would even have a problem with spending $200 
 because she tells me she loves this machine!!! 


  I have a friend who has this G4 Power Mac M5183 tower and keyboard she 
 doesn't have the monitor, she wants to upgrade this machine to it's full 
 capacity and run Tiger 10.4.11 so she can do her web design work and it 
 needs to be dual boot OS9.2.2 too... She can't afford a new one and she is 
 frustrated with the PC she is now using... Anyone out there have any 
 ideas??? I know we need to max the memory and I don't know what the max 
 is... How about a HD what would be the best and the biggest to make it 
 faster??? How about upgrading the processor??? I haven't opened it up yet 
 to see what it has in it yet, but she wants to do everything she can to get 
 some more yrs out of it... As far as she knows it is still stock except 
 for maybe memory... I have heard some of you talk about the BW, Sawtooth, 
 Yikes, etc etc etc do you know what this one is???  Thank You!!! Rich 




Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are 
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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread JoeTaxpayer
On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
wrote:
    I found this on newegg for $55.00 do you think it would be good for this 
 computer??? I can't seem to find any better deals on ebay and this is a new 
 one...
      Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 
 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive...
    Also I heard some mention about a SATA PCI card, will I still need to get 
 this to make better improvement to this machine and will it help the HD 
 too??? Thank You!!!   Rich

Nice drive, ok price, not really. But wrong for the G4. You have a
PATA ready Mac.
It depends on what you want to do. Simplest is to buy a 500GB PATA
drive.
But- If you want most expansion - get a sata card and go with 1.5TB
sata drives.

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread Jason Brown

On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:58 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:

 On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
I found this on newegg for $55.00 do you think it would be good for this 
 computer??? I can't seem to find any better deals on ebay and this is a new 
 one...
  Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 
 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive...
Also I heard some mention about a SATA PCI card, will I still need to get 
 this to make better improvement to this machine and will it help the HD 
 too??? Thank You!!!   Rich
 
 Nice drive, ok price, not really. But wrong for the G4. You have a
 PATA ready Mac.
 It depends on what you want to do. Simplest is to buy a 500GB PATA
 drive.
 But- If you want most expansion - get a sata card and go with 1.5TB
 sata drives.
 

Must... Contain... Opinion on WD garbage.


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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread Peter Haas


On Jul 26, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Jason Brown wrote:


It depends on what you want to do. Simplest is to buy a 500GB PATA
drive.


750 GB PATA drives were available for a while at many retailers.

However, for most practical purposes, 500 GB was the largest capacity  
PATA drive which was consistently available.


There are a small number of SATA PCI cards which are fully compatible  
with a G3 or G4 PPC Mac, and fewer still which are fully compatible  
with a G5 PPC Mac.


These usually incorporate the Initio chip set and its firmware, and  
are usually sold under the LaCie or OWC brand names, although the two  
are different: the LaCie only offers external sata connections  
(although the external connector is actually an iSATA connector)  
whereas the OWC offers the user's choice of internal SATA (using  
iSATA connectors) or external SATA (using eSATA connectors) or any  
mixture of the two, for a total of two drive connections.


The Initio cards are fully bootable in at least G3 and G4 Macs. Don't  
know about G5 Macs as by that time I had already migrated to Intel- 
based MacOS X computing.



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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread nestamicky

On 7/26/2010 1:12 PM, Peter Haas wrote:

750 GB PATA drives were available for a while at many retailers.

What, can someone please say, are the difference(s) between ATA and PATA?

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread Len Gerstel


On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:49 PM, nestamicky wrote:


On 7/26/2010 1:12 PM, Peter Haas wrote:


750 GB PATA drives were available for a while at many retailers.
What, can someone please say, are the difference(s) between ATA and  
PATA?


Very overly simplified:

ATA drives in the beginning were all Parallel ATA. There were no  
other options so the parallel was not stated most of the time.  
Parallel means 8 data lines working in unison.


Serial ATA (SATA) drives came on the market and there needed to be a  
way to distinguish between original ATA drives and the new spec. So  
they added the originally implied P(arallel) to the beginning of ATA.  
Serial is the 8 data bits going one after the other.


HTH,
Len

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Re: PowerMac G5 Performance

2010-07-26 Thread Illirik Smirnov
I own a dual G5 and it is an amazing machine. I bought mine for just upwards
of $150 plus $50 for a terabyte hard disk from a surplus. I'd say go for it
over a mac pro. The only upside of the mac pro is that it is an Intel mac.
Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC
architecture.


On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Eric Herbert
goo...@hillcotechnology.comwrote:


 On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:16 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:
 
 
  It sure does. Much appreciated.
  I have a wife who actually tells me that we spend on her and our
  daughter, but I don't buy much for myself. I am green-lighted to go
  full Mac Pro $3K machine, but really wonder what I'll see. I suppose I
  should track down an owner who is encoding a DVD to TiVo, and discuss
  with him. If the software to do this particular task is not written to
  fully use multicore, it seems that I'd see little improvement over
  what you suggested the G5 would give me. Not an Intel discussion/
  issue, but one of the application itself properly using all cores. I
  have 4 of these puppies (the G4 MDD) and offload the encoding to one
  with no monitor remotely. If the G5 at 2.5GHz /64 bit gives me the
  improvement, I'm not sure how much more a 3GHz machine would,
  depending how the SW runs.
 
  BTW - that link? Beautiful - it really gave me the comparison I was
  looking for. Again, thanks.

 I'm not sure about encoding a DVD to TiVo, but I have done a lot of
 encoding of uncompressed MOV files to H.264 streaming files.  To give an
 example, with my old Dual 1 Ghz Quicksilver 2002, it would take about 20
 minutes to compress a 20 minute clip.  Roughly a 1:1 compression time.  My
 Dual 2 Ghz G5 will do the same movie in anywhere from 7-10 minutes.  My 13
 MBP with a 2.26 Ghz Core2Duo will compress the same movie in anywhere from
 5-7 minutes.  I haven't compressed a DVD on my Macs in a long time, I
 usually dedicate the desktop PeeCee to do that since it usually sits idle
 anyway.

 Modern software is explicitly written to take advantage of the Intel
 platform, so you definitely do get a tremendous boost in performance.  I
 haven't had the joy of using a MacPro personally (still too rich for my
 blood), but with the speeds I've experienced with my MBP and my iMac at
 work, I've been relatively impressed.  I do wish Apple had stuck with PPC
 since it was one of the things that made them unique in the computer world.
  Nowadays I view them as a PeeCee with the privilege of running OSX.

 The thing to consider is the cost of what you're looking at.  A Dual G5 can
 be had for around the $500 mark.  A MacPro can be had for about 6x that with
 roughly twice the performance of the G5 (or more depending on how many cores
 it has).  It really all depends on what you're looking to spend, how much of
 a hurry you're in, and what you really want to do with the machine.

 Regarding the link, I know it's old news, but I like reports with numbers,
 comparisons, and relatively complete testing of various aspects of the
 machines.  I never go by synthetic benchmarks, I like to find reports of
 people's real-world experience with the hardware in question (hence why I
 give times of compression of videos I've actually compressed!).

 Hopefully again the above info is helpful.

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread nestamicky

On 7/26/2010 2:56 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

Very overly simplified:

ATA drives in the beginning were all Parallel ATA. There were no other 
options so the parallel was not stated most of the time. Parallel 
means 8 data lines working in unison.


Serial ATA (SATA) drives came on the market and there needed to be a 
way to distinguish between original ATA drives and the new spec. So 
they added the originally implied P(arallel) to the beginning of ATA. 
Serial is the 8 data bits going one after the other. 


This then is to say all ATA drives are in fact PATA? It seems to me 
adding (S) to the original named ATA should have been good enough to 
distinguish SATA from the earlier technology?


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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread James Therrault


On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Jason Brown wrote:



On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:58 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:


On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
wrote:
   I found this on newegg for $55.00 do you think it would be  
good for this computer??? I can't seem to find any better deals  
on ebay and this is a new one...
 Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB  
Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive...
   Also I heard some mention about a SATA PCI card, will I still  
need to get this to make better improvement to this machine and  
will it help the HD too??? Thank You!!!   Rich


Nice drive, ok price, not really. But wrong for the G4. You have a
PATA ready Mac.
It depends on what you want to do. Simplest is to buy a 500GB PATA
drive.
But- If you want most expansion - get a sata card and go with 1.5TB
sata drives.



Must... Contain... Opinion on WD garbage.



I've had a 120GB rotating happily in my G4 Gigabit for over four  
years...


JT



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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread Jason Brown
 I've had a 120GB rotating happily in my G4 Gigabit for over four years...
 
 JT

I guess even WD has a fluke every now and then :P

All kidding aside though, I have trashed brand new WD drives that were given to 
me. I refuse to use one, I have had too many issues with them. I have seen 
close to half of the brand new drives be dead or dying out of the box from the 
vendor. This was out of a box of 20 hard drives. I have also seen too many WD 
fail at the company I currently work for. We have an almost equal spreading of 
Maxtor, Seagate, WD, even some Quantum drives out there as well as Hitachi in 
fact. I have seen a couple Maxtor go, same with Seagate and Hitachi. However, 
from my personal experience, it speaks volumes when you have 6 WD drives just 
up and die, no warning, no clicks, no smart failures, just dead, all in the 
course of a 2 week span. This isn't an isolated incident and they aren't all on 
the same machine or even machine type or on the same floor. They are spread 
between PC and Mac alike. Due to literally a lifetimes issue with WD, I now 
have an unnatural hatred for them. lol


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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread JoeTaxpayer


On Jul 26, 5:37 pm, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7/26/2010 2:56 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

 This then is to say all ATA drives are in fact PATA? It seems to me
 adding (S) to the original named ATA should have been good enough to
 distinguish SATA from the earlier technology?

Did you know that until WWII there was no WWI? It was simply the great
war.
If a drive is plain ATA, it's likely PATA. But all new drives are
clearly labeled on the box or ad.

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formatting the HDD,from open firmware

2010-07-26 Thread Mullin9
I have an iMac G4 800,
is it possible to go into open firmware (opt Command o f), and use
pdisk to reformat the hard drive ,
for say a new HDD, in place of a failed HDD.
i'm interested.

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Gerome

   Will the SATA work with the 500g SATA HD??? 1.5tb is way too big and the 
price is higher... I will buy the card if it's a better set up then the PATA 
drive... She wants to do web design with this machine...




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Sent: Jul 26, 2010 1:58 PM
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Subject: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
wrote:
    I found this on newegg for $55.00 do you think it would be good for this 
 computer??? I can't seem to find any better deals on ebay and this is a new 
 one...
      Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 
 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive...
    Also I heard some mention about a SATA PCI card, will I still need to get 
 this to make better improvement to this machine and will it help the HD 
 too??? Thank You!!!   Rich

Nice drive, ok price, not really. But wrong for the G4. You have a
PATA ready Mac.
It depends on what you want to do. Simplest is to buy a 500GB PATA
drive.
But- If you want most expansion - get a sata card and go with 1.5TB
sata drives.

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Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are 
going...

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread JOHN CARMONNE




You have a PCI slot in there, and can add a PCI card that handles SATA
(A SATA PCI card) this one -
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/TSATA/

It will let you add 2 SATA Drives instead of two PATA Drives. I happen
to want some storage and last buy was $80/1.5TB. I bought two. So 3TB
for $160 plus card (ebay/$50)

I hope this helped.


I have a G4 MDD with a SeriTek 2 port card that I use to provide an  
eSATA port along with an internal 1TB SATA 7200.

I have 2 internal PATA drives  1 500 GB and 1 120 GB.
 http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

2010-07-26 Thread JOHN CARMONNE




You have a PCI slot in there, and can add a PCI card that handles SATA
(A SATA PCI card) this one -
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/TSATA/

It will let you add 2 SATA Drives instead of two PATA Drives. I happen
to want some storage and last buy was $80/1.5TB. I bought two. So 3TB
for $160 plus card (ebay/$50)

I hope this helped.


I have a G4 MDD with a SeriTek 2 port card that I use to provide an  
eSATA port along with an internal 1TB SATA 7200.

I have 2 internal PATA drives  1 500 GB and 1 120 GB.
 http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Which Airport card???

2010-07-26 Thread Chris House
Hi Guys ( Girls!),
I have aquired a 4 x 2.5ghx G5 tower Mac.

I need to know which card to use for wi-fi.

Many Thanks

Chris

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Re: Which Airport card???

2010-07-26 Thread John Carmonne

On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:23 PM, Chris House wrote:

 Hi Guys ( Girls!),
 I have aquired a 4 x 2.5ghx G5 tower Mac.
 
 I need to know which card to use for wi-fi.
 
 Many Thanks
 
 Chris
 

You need AirPort Extreme card   and antenna.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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