Repair tiger disk from leopard?
Howdy all, Is it advisable to use leopards disk utility to repair a drive with tiger installed on it, or is that likely to mess things up on the tiger volume? Backstory is that I'm visiting my grandmother who has an iMac g3 running tiger, and I thought I'd run through onyx's maintenance stuff while I'm here and it says to boot from the install disk to repair the hard drive, but I'm sans install disk, but do have my PowerBook with me, which is running leopard. I figured I'd boot the iMac into target disk mode and repair it from the PowerBook, but slightly concerned about the different os versions. Cheers for input! Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Repair tiger disk from leopard?
On 8/4/10 1:02 AM, Mike Linnett wrote: Howdy all, Is it advisable to use leopards disk utility to repair a drive with tiger installed on it, or is that likely to mess things up on the tiger volume? Backstory is that I'm visiting my grandmother who has an iMac g3 running tiger, and I thought I'd run through onyx's maintenance stuff while I'm here and it says to boot from the install disk to repair the hard drive, but I'm sans install disk, but do have my PowerBook with me, which is running leopard. I figured I'd boot the iMac into target disk mode and repair it from the PowerBook, but slightly concerned about the different os versions. Using Disk Repair should be fine. But don't try Repair Permissions that way, that will mess things up. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Repair tiger disk from leopard?
On 4 Aug 2010, at 09:34, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: On 8/4/10 1:02 AM, Mike Linnett wrote: Howdy all, Is it advisable to use leopards disk utility to repair a drive with tiger installed on it, or is that likely to mess things up on the tiger volume? Backstory is that I'm visiting my grandmother who has an iMac g3 running tiger, and I thought I'd run through onyx's maintenance stuff while I'm here and it says to boot from the install disk to repair the hard drive, but I'm sans install disk, but do have my PowerBook with me, which is running leopard. I figured I'd boot the iMac into target disk mode and repair it from the PowerBook, but slightly concerned about the different os versions. Using Disk Repair should be fine. But don't try Repair Permissions that way, that will mess things up. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway Thanks Clark, I think it must've been the don't cross pollinate repair permissions thing that I'd remembered and was giving me concerns! Cheers Mike -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: all them Apple's?
On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: is there a good software application out there that tells me about all the apple's ever produced? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 Mac Tracker is good and I like EveryMac also. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9 Apps on G5
On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Yeah, like I said there is almost no way you'll be able to get OS 9 to work on a G5. Even if you install on a G4 or a G3 and transplant the HDD to a G5, it still won't boor because a G5 is 64-bit, and OS 9 only has 32 bit code in it. Try it, but no guarantee. Try CCC. OS 9 works on my PM G5 in Tiger as Classic it will not boot in any PPC Mac with FW 800. And it doesn't work on any Leopard system. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
On 8/3/2010 9:42 PM, glen wrote: The Dell started having a problem with the screen image rolling down (or up depending on your reference). Sort of like the very old CRT TV's that needed the horizontal hold adjusted. I'm talking about 1950's or 60's TV's. Don't know if you are old enough to know what I am talking about. Once the Dell warmed up the problem went away. It got worse last Winter when the room temp was 50-60 F. The rolling was so fast it just a series of thin lines -- no image. Once the monitor warmed up, all was OK. The work around was to set the auto wakeup time for an hour or two before I needed to use the G4 DA the Dell was attached to. Recently the rolling started an hour or two after the monitor warmed up and was stable. This made for a difficult if not impossible to be useful in a work environment -- s time for a new monitor. The new monitor is definitely sharper than aged Dell -- but if a cheap repair is possible I would be willing to give it a try. I could find a very productive use for the old Dell. Thanks for the info --glen LCD monitors are inherently digital devices. If something is rolling like that on an LCD, I would suspect bad capacitors as being a possible cause. The rolling effect could be caused from the refresh. If the rolling gets worse or better when you adjust your refresh, that could be as cheap as a buck in parts to fix, depending on how many caps are dying it could be more, but they are cheap. We had one that exhibited that symptom. Don't know if that is the problem with yours but if you feel comfortable opening up the back and looking at the boards it will be easy to tell usually. However a cap can look perfect and still be bad. As for the old tvs, im 32. I remember the older tvs. Bought one from a thrift store that did that, had to repair it, horizontal video board had a bad component on it. =) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: all them Apple's?
On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:32 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: is there a good software application out there that tells me about all the apple's ever produced? MacTracker is fairly comprehensive. http://www.mactracker.ca/ Not an app, but I also get updates from an online guy, but haven't visited them in awhile: http://www.everymac.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Repair tiger disk from leopard?
On Aug 4, 4:02 am, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: Howdy all, Is it advisable to use leopards disk utility to repair a drive with tiger installed on it, or is that likely to mess things up on the tiger volume? Backstory is that I'm visiting my grandmother who has an iMac g3 running tiger, and I thought I'd run through onyx's maintenance stuff while I'm here and it says to boot from the install disk to repair the hard drive, but I'm sans install disk, but do have my PowerBook with me, which is running leopard. I figured I'd boot the iMac into target disk mode and repair it from the PowerBook, but slightly concerned about the different os versions. On a hunch, I would download the Tiger version of OnyX to the PowerBook and use that to treat the iMac. And I would check to see if there is a difference between OnyX versions for G3/4/5 machines as opposed to Intel machines. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: all them Apple's?
On Aug 4, 12:34 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: is there a good software application out there that tells me about all the apple's ever produced? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 Mac Tracker is good and I like EveryMac also. And lowendmac.com Profiles may help. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Repair tiger disk from leopard?
On 4 Aug 2010, at 15:13, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 4, 4:02 am, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: Howdy all, Is it advisable to use leopards disk utility to repair a drive with tiger installed on it, or is that likely to mess things up on the tiger volume? Backstory is that I'm visiting my grandmother who has an iMac g3 running tiger, and I thought I'd run through onyx's maintenance stuff while I'm here and it says to boot from the install disk to repair the hard drive, but I'm sans install disk, but do have my PowerBook with me, which is running leopard. I figured I'd boot the iMac into target disk mode and repair it from the PowerBook, but slightly concerned about the different os versions. On a hunch, I would download the Tiger version of OnyX to the PowerBook and use that to treat the iMac. And I would check to see if there is a difference between OnyX versions for G3/4/5 machines as opposed to Intel machines. Al Poulin Ahh well, I repaired the disk (twice, to be sure) from leopard, re-ran the tests and stuff and it all seems to be ok. From what I can see there's different versions of onyx based on which version of osx you're running, but that's about it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
After evaluating the options, I'm still going with my rebuilt Compaq Presario as an HTPC. However, my iMac G4 will be getting a sweet upgrade (1 GB maxed out RAM + 500 GB hard drive + Mac OS X Tiger Server) to turn it into a server. In the meantime, my school's G5 DUAL (found out its not a liquid- cooled quad) is having some heat issues. Hmm… Thanks for your advice everyone! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Repair tiger disk from leopard?
I don't have a panther disk, So I thought I would just ask. Is the disk utility on panther the same version as is on Tiger? Can you run Tigers Disk Utility under Panther? Glad it worked out out for you! Gus. On Aug 4, 9:21 am, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 Aug 2010, at 15:13, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 4, 4:02 am, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: Howdy all, Is it advisable to use leopards disk utility to repair a drive with tiger installed on it, or is that likely to mess things up on the tiger volume? Backstory is that I'm visiting my grandmother who has an iMac g3 running tiger, and I thought I'd run through onyx's maintenance stuff while I'm here and it says to boot from the install disk to repair the hard drive, but I'm sans install disk, but do have my PowerBook with me, which is running leopard. I figured I'd boot the iMac into target disk mode and repair it from the PowerBook, but slightly concerned about the different os versions. On a hunch, I would download the Tiger version of OnyX to the PowerBook and use that to treat the iMac. And I would check to see if there is a difference between OnyX versions for G3/4/5 machines as opposed to Intel machines. Al Poulin Ahh well, I repaired the disk (twice, to be sure) from leopard, re-ran the tests and stuff and it all seems to be ok. From what I can see there's different versions of onyx based on which version of osx you're running, but that's about it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Hi Rich, I have 3 harddisks in my Digital Audio: 2 are 3,5 and 1 is 2,5 (connected with an adapter). So having several HDs is no problem. But could someone in the know post a clear answer to this question: Do large HDs work in the Digital Audio, with Tiger and/or Leopard? I’m still doubtful whether creating partitions smaller than 128GB is enough to make such HDs work. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Repair tiger disk from leopard?
On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Gus wrote: I don't have a panther disk, So I thought I would just ask. Is the disk utility on panther the same version as is on Tiger? Can you run Tigers Disk Utility under Panther? Glad it worked out out for you! As long as you can boot the Tiger CD or DVD the disk utilities will work on any drive in OSX AFAIK. I do this on all my machines. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Best printer.
Have a granddaughter who will be traveling often in the next few years and would appreciate recommendations and experiences with traveling with a printer. Thanks so much. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went. --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
On 8/4/10 11:12 AM, Geke wrote: Hi Rich, I have 3 harddisks in my Digital Audio: 2 are 3,5 and 1 is 2,5 (connected with an adapter). So having several HDs is no problem. But could someone in the know post a clear answer to this question: Do large HDs work in the Digital Audio, with Tiger and/or Leopard? I’m still doubtful whether creating partitions smaller than 128GB is enough to make such HDs work. I have about 2Tb in my DA. Two drives are SATA with a PCI SATA controller. You can't just create small partitions. On a stock DA it will only recognize the FIRST 128Gb on the HD regardless of partitioning. Using either of the work arounds you can either make one 128Gb partition and make the rest a single large partition or you can make it one large partition. Or you can look into a used QuickSilver 2002 or MDD and have native large drive support built in -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
The only liquid-cooled are the late 2005 G5's with PCI-e slots. All the earlier G5's that have either PCIx or normal PCI slots are air-cooled. All the earlier G5's that have either PCIx or normal PCI slots are air-cooled. The quad is actually a dual dual, and is the only 2.5GHz G5. The ambiguity comes in the 2.0 2.3 GHz duals. The earlier versions all have two CPUs and air-cooling; the later ones have one dual-core CPU and liquid-cooling. At least there are only two combinations rather than the possible four, but it's still ambiguous talking about 2.0 or 2.3 GHz dual G5 PowerMacs. My PM G5 Dual 2.7 early 2005 is liquid cooled and has PCIx slots John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:44 PM, John Carmonne wrote: My PM G5 Dual 2.7 early 2005 is liquid cooled and has PCIx slots Yes, I forgot about that one, so that means there are three of the four possible combinations, the absent one being the single dual- core air-cooled. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Question
On Aug 3, 6:10 pm, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: I presume that this Expansion Slot Utility is an app found in the Utilities folder? Out of curiosity, is this utility installed on the Mac Pros as well? It is on my MacPro running 10.6, now that you mention it I don't think the utility is on PPC versions of Leopard. It opened the first time I move a PCI card to a different slot. In Snow Leopard it is in System \Library\Core Services. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
Recently the rolling started an hour or two after the monitor warmed up and was stable. This made for a difficult if not impossible to be useful in a work environment -- s time for a new monitor. The new monitor is definitely sharper than aged Dell -- but if a cheap repair is possible I would be willing to give it a try. I could find a very productive use for the old Dell. Thanks for the info --glen LCD monitors are inherently digital devices. If something is rolling like that on an LCD, I would suspect bad capacitors as being a possible cause. The rolling effect could be caused from the refresh. If the rolling gets worse or better when you adjust your refresh, that could be as cheap as a buck in parts to fix, depending on how many caps are dying it could be more, but they are cheap. We had one that exhibited that symptom. Don't know if that is the problem with yours but if you feel comfortable opening up the back and looking at the boards it will be easy to tell usually. However a cap can look perfect and still be bad. As for the old tvs, im 32. I remember the older tvs. Bought one from a thrift store that did that, had to repair it, horizontal video board had a bad component on it. =) Generally, I have no problem taking anything apart including the Dell. Should I assume the same danger applies to LCD's as CRT monitors regarding electric shock from the charge stored in the capacitors? If so, any safe way to discharge them? Probably won't try a fix anytime soon, too many more pressing tasks to do. FYI, I'm 63 and in reference to old TV's, I remember as a child of maybe 10 years, when the TV (a relatively new technology at that time) would go in the fritz and start rolling, usually while watching a favorite show, my dad would frantically go to the back of the TV to adjust the horizontal hold -- his words. Apparently the really old TV's had some sort of knob on the backside you could turn with a screw driver to the fix the problem. On the rare occasion when Dad failed to fix it, he would call the TV repairman. They made next day house calls in those days;, ahh the 1950's ;0 --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Combo updating made easy?
Hi All Does anyone know of an application that can install all the Java updates with one click? I have the Combo and all the Java stuff including iTunes and QuickTime on one DVD and it would be nice to just drag all those files to an installer if possible. The process is such a drag. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best printer.
You didn't mention what version of Mac OS she is running - this could help other users give useful specific feedback for similar situations You might want to check with her and get back to the list with a little more info Cecile Santa Clara On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:28 AM, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.comwrote: Have a granddaughter who will be traveling often in the next few years and would appreciate recommendations and experiences with traveling with a printer. Thanks so much. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went. --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- They don't make 'em like they used to. It's why so many folks love old Macs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mysterious bump in transfer speed?
Hello, everybody I have an external 2.5 drive sitting inside my PM G4 plugged in through USB 2.0 (A PCI card) and normally, whenever I transfer things between the Main system HDD and the external 320GB HDD, the transfer speed is literally 500Kb/s. For some reason, yesterday, when I restarted, the External HDD hot-wired itself, and sped up the file transfer speed to 690MB/s for some strange reason. This only works between the main HDD and the external drive. One day I was copying a 100MB Mac OS 8 ISO from the main HDD to the External HDD and it took about 27 minutes. The next day, I restarted, and I copied the ISO of Kubuntu 10.04 from the network to the system's main HDD, and that took about 3 hours. I then copied the ISO from the HDD to the External drive, and it literally took 1.2 seconds. I verified the image and i'm not lying, something in there is hotwired. I was able to copy a DMG image of Leopard (Which BTW is 7.8GB in size!) for the use of my Virtual Q emulator system in about 8 seconds. So tell me wise users of Lemlist I didn't do anything to hotwire the machine to do this, and I was able to copy a 7.8GB file in 8 seconds... how is this possible through USB 2.0? -- Sent from Mark's Power Mac G4 Sawtooth PowerPC G4 7400 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious bump in transfer speed?
On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Hello, everybody I have an external 2.5 drive sitting inside my PM G4 plugged in through USB 2.0 (A PCI card) and normally, whenever I transfer things between the Main system HDD and the external 320GB HDD, the transfer speed is literally 500Kb/s. For some reason, yesterday, when I restarted, the External HDD hot-wired itself, and sped up the file transfer speed to 690MB/s for some strange reason. This only works between the main HDD and the external drive. One day I was copying a 100MB Mac OS 8 ISO from the main HDD to the External HDD and it took about 27 minutes. The next day, I restarted, and I copied the ISO of Kubuntu 10.04 from the network to the system's main HDD, and that took about 3 hours. I then copied the ISO from the HDD to the External drive, and it literally took 1.2 seconds. I verified the image and i'm not lying, something in there is hotwired. I was able to copy a DMG image of Leopard (Which BTW is 7.8GB in size!) for the use of my Virtual Q emulator system in about 8 seconds. So tell me wise users of Lemlist I didn't do anything to hotwire the machine to do this, and I was able to copy a 7.8GB file in 8 seconds... how is this possible through USB 2.0? It isn't possible. USB 2.0 has a maximum transfer speed of 480mbps which translates into roughly 50MB/s maximum theoretical speed. In actual practice the speed cap is around 35-40MB/s. In addition, the maximum bandwidth of the PCI bus is 133MB/s between ALL slots in the system, this means that your transfer speed from your main internal hard disk is part of this speed. Even over a gigabit connection or between 2 SATA II hard drives, you can't copy a 7.8 GB file in 8 seconds. Methinks you made an alias instead of actually copying the file in question. It isn't possible to copy a file that large in that short of a period of time through ANY interface in your computer. In an Intel Mac with superfast RAID arrays or something, perhaps, but not a G4 of any shape, form, or fashion. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best printer.
No printers are any fun to travel with IMHO. I carry a cheap Cannon MP210 all in one flat bed scanner unit. It cost less than $50.00 at WallyWorld and works like a champ. The problem I run into on the road more than anything is the ability to scan. Nowadays with the net printing is not as important to me anymore unless you need snail mail. The schools have plenty of printing ability so usually PDFs on a stick is all you need, but good and easy scanning is still best left up to your own unit. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Combo updating made easy?
On Aug 4, 7:25 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Does anyone know of an application that can install all the Java updates with one click? I have the Combo and all the Java stuff including iTunes and QuickTime on one DVD and it would be nice to just drag all those files to an installer if possible. The process is such a drag. I would install the Combo off the DVD. If that works well, I would then use Software Update under the Apple Menu. You may end up running Software Update more than once to get all the latest. Why use the DVD for the smaller items? Would they all be up to date? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Combo updating made easy?
I would install the Combo off the DVD. If that works well, I would then use Software Update under the Apple Menu. You may end up running Software Update more than once to get all the latest. Why use the DVD for the smaller items? Would they all be up to date? Al Poulin The drag is the Java updates, they have to be done one by one, I would like to have an installer that would do all of them at once. The update needs to be run 6 times via Software Update. I already have all this stuff on a DVD so I want an installer that will take care of the whole enchilada:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Combo updating made easy?
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:01 PM, John Carmonne wrote: The drag is the Java updates, they have to be done one by one, I would like to have an installer that would do all of them at once. The update needs to be run 6 times via Software Update. I already have all this stuff on a DVD so I want an installer that will take care of the whole enchilada:-) You're telling me the Java updates suck...on a new install of Tiger, that's my nemesis You have to run that sucker for what seems like hours to install Java update after Java update. Why doesn't Apple just release a single installer that updates all the previous versions to the most current? Seems a bit like Micro$oft updates in a lot of ways.. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Question
On 8/4/10 6:20 PM, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: On Aug 3, 6:10 pm, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: I presume that this Expansion Slot Utility is an app found in the Utilities folder? Out of curiosity, is this utility installed on the Mac Pros as well? It is on my MacPro running 10.6, now that you mention it I don't think the utility is on PPC versions of Leopard. It opened the first time I move a PCI card to a different slot. In Snow Leopard it is in System \Library\Core Services. Thank you for this info., dc. I'll look for it on our new Mac Pro when it arrives. Regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious bump in transfer speed?
Is it hotwired or something? I wouldn't lie and post something this stupid just to get attention, because this really happened. -- Sent from Mark's Power Mac G4 Sawtooth PowerPC G4 7400 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious bump in transfer speed?
I didn't make an alias It is the full ISO image. -- Sent from Mark's Power Mac G4 Sawtooth PowerPC G4 7400 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
At 16:22 -0700 8/4/10, glen wrote: Generally, I have no problem taking anything apart including the Dell. Should I assume the same danger applies to LCD's as CRT monitors regarding electric shock from the charge stored in the capacitors? If so, any safe way to discharge them? Probably won't try a fix anytime soon, too many more pressing tasks to do. No. The real danger in a CRT device is the picture tube itself. It requires some 25,000 volts or more to accelerate the electrons that impinge on the face of the tube to make light by florescence in an internal coating. The outside of the tube is coated with an electrically conducting surface that acts as a capacitor - well it's a Leiden jar - that can store charge for hours. Flat panel monitors operate with voltages that are not harmful. If they plug directly into a wall without a wall-wart or in-line power converter they will have some 360 volts on capacitors that are part of the isolated low voltage power converter. That can wake you up and is especially dangerous because that part of the circuitry is connected directly to the household power lines. It's usually easy to avoid them in a special enclosure provided by the manufacturer. The capacitors there discharge fairly quickly when the unit is unplugged. If you can afford one, an isolation transformer is a good thing to have on your workbench. FYI, I'm 63 and in reference to old TV's, I remember as a child of maybe 10 years, when the TV (a relatively new technology at that time) would go in the fritz and start rolling, usually while watching a favorite show, my dad would frantically go to the back of the TV to adjust the horizontal hold -- his words. Gotcha beat. I'm 75. Apparently the really old TV's had some sort of knob on the backside you could turn with a screw driver to the fix the problem. On the rare occasion when Dad failed to fix it, he would call the TV repairman. They made next day house calls in those days;, ahh the 1950's ;0 --glen He was tuning the frequency of the horizontal oscillator. It has to match the rate at which the transmission is sent, about 15 kHz was standard NTSC television. There is also a vertical oscillator which was once 30 Hz. Modern CRT monitors are multiscan and can operate over a big range like 25 kHz to over 75 kHz.. But they still have that adjustment. It's usually a ferrite core in a wound inductor and you need a special tool to twist it. There are capacitors in the flat panel displays that can be a problem. In a great effort to make things smaller we have managed to standardize on little cylinders that are aluminum electrolytic capacitors. The insulator is aluminum oxide which is electroformed in an acid solution after the capacitor is built. The result is a device that is full of acid that can produce gas and explode. There are even little Xs formed into the aluminum case to make them leak gas without showering acid all over the place. You can often identify the bad ones by looking for Xs that have expanded into a dome. It's amusing that really old capacitors, like the ones in that TV set don't have the same problems. The aluminum is thicker and the oxide layer is thicker. Continuous usage keeps the oxide formed because the applied voltage does that for you. But they're a few inches high and an inch or so in diameter and the modern public won't accept that. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
On Jul 25, 11:25 am, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 25, 1:48 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Anecdotal evidence says that the liquid-cooled G5 need to run 24/7/365, and the more often they're shutdown the quicker they have issues with the coolant causing corrosion and leaks. The coolant needs to circulate in order to prevent the corrosion problem. that concurs with the stories i've heard. Jumping in a bit late here, as Austin has already made his decision, but I would like to point out a hidden cost of computer ownership: electricity! PowerMac G5s, at idle, consume 140 to 185 watts of power, depending on the model. Mac minis at idle, on the other hand, consume 10 to 23 watts of power - with the current C2D consuming the least! How much does running a computer that sucks an extra 175 watts 24/7 out of your local electric utility cost you? If you are paying 13 cents per kilowatt hour, two hundred dollars a year. Every year. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
- Original Message From: Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 9:46:14 PM Subject: Re: Monitor Question At 16:22 -0700 8/4/10, glen wrote: Generally, I have no problem taking anything apart including the Dell. Should I assume the same danger applies to LCD's as CRT monitors regarding electric shock from the charge stored in the capacitors? If so, any safe way to discharge them? Probably won't try a fix anytime soon, too many more pressing tasks to do. No. The real danger in a CRT device is the picture tube itself. It requires some 25,000 volts or more to accelerate the electrons that impinge on the face of the tube to make light by florescence in an internal coating. The outside of the tube is coated with an electrically conducting surface that acts as a capacitor - well it's a Leiden jar - that can store charge for hours. Flat panel monitors operate with voltages that are not harmful. If they plug directly into a wall without a wall-wart or in-line power converter they will have some 360 volts on capacitors that are part of the isolated low voltage power converter. That can wake you up and is especially dangerous because that part of the circuitry is connected directly to the household power lines. It's usually easy to avoid them in a special enclosure provided by the manufacturer. The capacitors there discharge fairly quickly when the unit is unplugged. If you can afford one, an isolation transformer is a good thing to have on your workbench. FYI, I'm 63 and in reference to old TV's, I remember as a child of maybe 10 years, when the TV (a relatively new technology at that time) would go in the fritz and start rolling, usually while watching a favorite show, my dad would frantically go to the back of the TV to adjust the horizontal hold -- his words. Gotcha beat. I'm 75. Apparently the really old TV's had some sort of knob on the backside you could turn with a screw driver to the fix the problem. On the rare occasion when Dad failed to fix it, he would call the TV repairman. They made next day house calls in those days;, ahh the 1950's ;0 --glen He was tuning the frequency of the horizontal oscillator. It has to match the rate at which the transmission is sent, about 15 kHz was standard NTSC television. There is also a vertical oscillator which was once 30 Hz. Modern CRT monitors are multiscan and can operate over a big range like 25 kHz to over 75 kHz.. But they still have that adjustment. It's usually a ferrite core in a wound inductor and you need a special tool to twist it. There are capacitors in the flat panel displays that can be a problem. In a great effort to make things smaller we have managed to standardize on little cylinders that are aluminum electrolytic capacitors. The insulator is aluminum oxide which is electroformed in an acid solution after the capacitor is built. The result is a device that is full of acid that can produce gas and explode. There are even little Xs formed into the aluminum case to make them leak gas without showering acid all over the place. You can often identify the bad ones by looking for Xs that have expanded into a dome. It's amusing that really old capacitors, like the ones in that TV set don't have the same problems. The aluminum is thicker and the oxide layer is thicker. Continuous usage keeps the oxide formed because the applied voltage does that for you. But they're a few inches high and an inch or so in diameter and the modern public won't accept that. -- Great reply Doug, Answered my specific question and provided so much more technical/historical information that answered many of my unasked questions. Really appreciate it, thanks --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: He was tuning the frequency of the horizontal oscillator. It has to match the rate at which the transmission is sent, about 15 kHz was standard NTSC television. There is also a vertical oscillator which was once 30 Hz. Pre-NTSC, the horizontal sweep was 15,750 Hz and the vertical sweep was 60 Hz, interlaced 2:1, thereby giving a vertical frame rate of 30 f/sec. Everything was divided-down from a master 31,500 Hz source, which also happens to be the frequency of the so-called equalizing pulses within the vertical interval, five or six cycles of which surround the actual vertical synch pulse. NTSC introduces the concept of a color burst, which is 3579545 Hz, precisely. This is used to multiplex the three primary colors into an I and a Q channel, in quadrature. The other channel is Luminance (Y), and it is arranged that the bulk of the information is transmitted as Luminance, which can be recovered by a monochrome TV using conventional techniques which ignore I and Q. However, a color TV has additional circuitry which enables it to accept Y, I and Q and to output R, G and B to the shadow mask, or equivalent CRT. As the horizontal and vertical sweep rates MUST be divided-down from the 3579545 Hz burst in order to eliminate moire and other image defects, the resultant vertical frame rate is 29.97 f/sec. 29.97 Hz is close enough to 30 Hz to pass without any significant issues, just as the horizontal sweep frequency is close enough to 15750 Hz to pass without significant issues. BW transmissions have been using the NTSC frequencies for quite a few decades, perhaps five, as it became an imperative in the 1960s to be able to seamlessly intermix color and monochrome transmissions, using a switching technique invented by Sarkes-Tarzian Inc, the justifiably famous vertical interval switching technique. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
Hey Glen, Check this out: http://bit.ly/6nFcHY It hits all the sweet spots, and it's (slightly) bigger than your old Dell. I would get myself it if I had the money right now. Oh, well. Good luck, Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
