Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Powermac
Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
you guys think?

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Re: Computer Geeks, then CWI

2010-10-28 Thread JoeTaxpayer
Not too many Macs there, but a Quad 3GHz Pro at $1500 is a pretty good
deal.

On Oct 27, 9:46 pm, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote:
 as does computer warehouse www.gocwi.com  used machines, some new in  
 box.  Around 1/2 new price or less, and probably where i buy my next  
 mac at.

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Calling Apple Script Experts

2010-10-28 Thread Jason Brown
I have a problem that I need some help with. I have an apple script that I 
compile into an application that checks the server it is attempting to connect 
to and makes sure the drives stay mapped. I will include the script as well as 
the tag lines of where I obtained the original script that I modified for my 
purposes for you to look at. The problem that I am having is that as of 10.5 
and 10.6, if a server is rebooted or even if the machine is rebooted, there is 
a chance that it will create a folder with the servers share name. For example 
on these machines they mount Vol1, Vol2 and Onevision2 shares. If Vol1 and Vol2 
get disconnected which are both on the same server, one or both could be 
mounted as Vol1-1 and Vol2-1 for example because an empty folder of the name of 
the share gets deposited in /Volumes. I have an idea of how to correct this, 
but I am unsure as to how exactly it would be best to implement it into the 
script. I want it as some form of sanity check before it attempts to mount the 
drive. Check for the folder and delete it and maybe have it check if the drive 
is mounted under anything but its real name and then unmount it and let the 
script re-mount it. The line I am looking at implementing, and I hope I have it 
right is below.

--

if (count items) of Vol1 is 0 or ((count items) of Vol1 is 1 and name of item 1 
of Vol1 is .DS_Store) then delete Vol1

--

I am uncertain how or where to put this into place with the script and the 
dismount remount commands I am completely unsure of. Any help or insight is 
greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. The script is pasted below.

--

-- Original script courtesy of Jenny Kortina. Found at:
-- 
http://theappleblog.com/2008/05/15/hacktackulous-auto-remount-disconnected-shares/
--
-- Script Modifications by Jason Brown, The Birmingham News.

repeat

set intnt to do shell script ping -c 1 10.50.3.221; echo -n
set paras to number of paragraphs in intnt
if paras  5 then
else
set serverIP to afp://10.50.3.221/Vol1
set UserAccount to sysadmin
set ServerPassword to password
tell application Finder
try
if disk Vol1 exists then
else
with timeout of 5 seconds
mount volume serverIP as user 
name UserAccount with password ServerPassword
end timeout
end if
end try
end tell
end if

set intnt to do shell script ping -c 1 10.50.3.221; echo -n
set paras to number of paragraphs in intnt
if paras  5 then
else
set serverIP to afp://10.50.3.221/Vol2
set UserAccount to sysadmin
set ServerPassword to password
tell application Finder
try
if disk Vol2 exists then
else
with timeout of 5 seconds
mount volume serverIP as user 
name UserAccount with password ServerPassword
end timeout
end if
end try
end tell
end if

set intnt to do shell script ping -c 1 10.50.3.8; echo -n
set paras to number of paragraphs in intnt
if paras  5 then
else
set serverIP to afp://10.50.3.8/Onevision2
set UserAccount to sysadmin
set ServerPassword to password
tell application Finder
try
if disk Onevision2 exists then
else
with timeout of 5 seconds
mount volume serverIP as user 
name UserAccount with password ServerPassword
end timeout
end if
end try
end tell
end if

delay 10

end repeat

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread carmonne




Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
you guys think?


IMHO my G4 MDD Dual 1.25 is the work horse around here it has a Cinema 20 ADC 
and just keeps on truckin' I have a lot of macs
and for most stuff the Buick is the goto machine. Same power supply since new.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP


 

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Jeffrey Engle

On Oct 28, 2010, at 7:12 AM, carmo...@aol.com wrote:

 
 
 Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
 
 least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
 
 
 have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
 
 
 you guys think?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 IMHO my G4 MDD Dual 1.25 is the work horse around here it has a Cinema 20 
 ADC and just keeps on truckin' I have a lot of macs
 
 and for most stuff the Buick is the goto machine. Same power supply since 
 new.
 
 
 
 
 

I need to agree here, my MDD dual 1.42 is a keeper, very dependable machine. 
Jeff Engle

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread dc
The Digital Audio models aren't quite as fast as the MDD but they are
very well built and probably less expensive if you're looking to pick
up a used one. With a slight wiring mod I put a QS 933 MHz processor
into mine, along with the max 1.5 GB RAM and a GeForce 6200 video
card; it runs Leopard nicely.

On Oct 28, 9:28 am, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
 least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
 have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
 you guys think?

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread diane

At 9:28 AM -0700 10/28/10, Jeffrey Engle wrote:



I need to agree here, my MDD dual 1.42 is a keeper, very dependable 
machine. Jeff Engle



Ditto knocking on wood!


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
I'm interested in a Quicksilver 2002 and a Gigabit Ethernet, the QS
for OS X and the Gigabit for Linux on PPC.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 15:16, diane di...@mathermotorsports.com wrote:
 At 9:28 AM -0700 10/28/10, Jeffrey Engle wrote:


 I need to agree here, my MDD dual 1.42 is a keeper, very dependable
 machine. Jeff Engle


 Ditto knocking on wood!


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Bill Connelly


On Oct 28, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:


I'm interested in a Quicksilver 2002 and a Gigabit Ethernet, the QS
for OS X and the Gigabit for Linux on PPC.


I'm enjoying my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz, but had to replace the  
motherboard after a lightening strike nearby ... turns out the  
original eBay one must have been defective and I just did not know it,  
although used it for a couple of years before 20/20 hindsight  
clarified things relative to a touchy M-Audio 2496 PCI sound card.


With the new mobo, I'm running OS X 10.5.8 successfully with a  
SeriTech SATA PCI card and Seagate SATA drives. Doing VHS tape to DVD  
disk conversions using an external ADVC300 converter box.


I might go for an MDD next, but settled for the QS 2002 since the MDDs  
were still relatively expensive, and I read some report that the  
increase in bus speed over the QS to MDD did not show much increase in  
overall throughput. Something about a bottleneck somewhere's else, or  
Apple had just  reached a design limitation.


I'm also enjoying daily use of a Digital Audio that someone had put a  
Dual G4 533 into ... works great, too with SeriTech SATA PCI card and  
SATA drives.


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread admin
I like this model a lot.  The Zip drive, if still there, and Zip CAGE  
can both be removed, creating more open space inside for running  
cables, SCSI, ATA or SATA.  It seems to run cooler and quieter than a  
MDD I had for a short time.


On Oct 28, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:


Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GH


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Peter Haas


On Oct 28, 2010, at 4:32 PM, admin wrote:

I like this model a lot.  The Zip drive, if still there, and Zip  
CAGE can both be removed, creating more open space inside for  
running cables, SCSI, ATA or SATA.  It seems to run cooler and  
quieter than a MDD I had for a short time.


The QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz is an exceptionally reliable machine,  
perhaps more reliable than any successor machine (Mirror Door, et. al.).


The QS 2001/QS2002 Zip drive carrier requires simple modifications to  
accommodate an HD in place of the Zip, and the QS 2002 ROM will  
accept any LBA48 drive (500 GB, say) on the optical bus, as it will  
on the HD bus, and the QS2001 and the Digital Audio can very easily  
made to do so (LBA48 Property Script).


There are no significant reliability issues with the PSU of the DA,  
QS 2001 nor with the QS 2002.


The motherboards are essentially the same, differing only in certain  
changes to accommodate the changes in overall functional  
specifications. 1.5 GB maximum RAM in all.


I have retired my several DAs, just because, and I have replaced  
all with a single QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz, and have augmented these by  
certain generic machines (LGA 775 AND LGA 1156) which have been  
adapted to run 10.6.4 using the usual techniques.


My most reliable machine is a Shuttle SP35P2V2 (P35 Northbridge/ICH9- 
R Southbridge) with an nVidia 8400GS video card and a Dell/Broadcom  
4318 Airport-compatible WiFi card, running MacOS X 10.6.4 with ALL  
software updates.



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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Dale Hoffman


On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Powermac wrote:


Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
you guys think?


I'll probably keep my QuickSilver Dual 1GHz when all my other G4s have  
been converted to Ubuntu. (I think that's the only way I'll be able to  
get rid of them on Craigs List). I'm not too keen on their limitation  
to 1.5GB Ram, though. I have a Sonnet card supporting two extra  
internal HDDs for a total of four drives which was an early  
improvement. No problems with overheating, and the power supply seems  
to be OK with the arrangement. It's not the most quiet in terms of fan  
noise but it's been operating 24/7 since I bought it used in 2006. I  
may add a second DVR drive just to fill out the empty space. OS  
10.5.8. Replaced the video card with an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which  
needed a new fan. Everything is OK as of today. I've never had a G5,  
having jumped directly to the Mac Pro.


Dale Hoffman
Louisville, KY

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
Is it true that the ati radeon card needs additional power or can I do a 
straight swap and upgrade the g4mx?

On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote:

 
 On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Powermac wrote:
 
 Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
 least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
 have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
 you guys think?
 
 I'll probably keep my QuickSilver Dual 1GHz when all my other G4s have been 
 converted to Ubuntu. (I think that's the only way I'll be able to get rid of 
 them on Craigs List). I'm not too keen on their limitation to 1.5GB Ram, 
 though. I have a Sonnet card supporting two extra internal HDDs for a total 
 of four drives which was an early improvement. No problems with overheating, 
 and the power supply seems to be OK with the arrangement. It's not the most 
 quiet in terms of fan noise but it's been operating 24/7 since I bought it 
 used in 2006. I may add a second DVR drive just to fill out the empty space. 
 OS 10.5.8. Replaced the video card with an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which needed a 
 new fan. Everything is OK as of today. I've never had a G5, having jumped 
 directly to the Mac Pro.
 
 Dale Hoffman
 Louisville, KY
 
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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
I have had wonderful reliability with my g4 933 QS. 

On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote:

 
 On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Powermac wrote:
 
 Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
 least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
 have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
 you guys think?
 
 I'll probably keep my QuickSilver Dual 1GHz when all my other G4s have been 
 converted to Ubuntu. (I think that's the only way I'll be able to get rid of 
 them on Craigs List). I'm not too keen on their limitation to 1.5GB Ram, 
 though. I have a Sonnet card supporting two extra internal HDDs for a total 
 of four drives which was an early improvement. No problems with overheating, 
 and the power supply seems to be OK with the arrangement. It's not the most 
 quiet in terms of fan noise but it's been operating 24/7 since I bought it 
 used in 2006. I may add a second DVR drive just to fill out the empty space. 
 OS 10.5.8. Replaced the video card with an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which needed a 
 new fan. Everything is OK as of today. I've never had a G5, having jumped 
 directly to the Mac Pro.
 
 Dale Hoffman
 Louisville, KY
 
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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Kris Tilford

On Oct 28, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:

Is it true that the ati radeon card needs additional power or can I  
do a straight swap and upgrade the g4mx?


The term ATI Radeon card describes an entire series that started in  
2000 and continues to today. Generally speaking, you should be able to  
do a direct swap of cards without issues. In some rare instances it  
might be possible that a newer card would require additional power,  
and in a Mac that's a near impossibility since this would require a  
replacement power supply with greater power than the OEM, and this  
generally aren't manufactured or available. Just swap the cards,  
assuming the Radeon is a Mac card with a ROM for a PPC Mac. If it's a  
PC card, you'll need to flash the ROM over to Mac first.


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Bill Connelly


On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:

Is it true that the ati radeon card needs additional power or can I  
do a straight swap and upgrade the g4mx?




I have a ATI 9800Pro in my QS 2002 Dual, and yes it requires a plug  
into the system's wiring ... very simple.


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
You get the power from one of the ata hd power plugs?  Why can't it operate 
like the mx card?

On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:

 
 On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:
 
 Is it true that the ati radeon card needs additional power or can I do a 
 straight swap and upgrade the g4mx?
 
 
 I have a ATI 9800Pro in my QS 2002 Dual, and yes it requires a plug into the 
 system's wiring ... very simple.
 
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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Bill Connelly


On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:

You get the power from one of the ata hd power plugs?  Why can't it  
operate like the mx card?




I don't remember ... maybe the 9800's fan (not one on the 4MX card)  
needs the extra power?


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Kris Tilford

On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:


You get the power from one of the ata hd power plugs?


What model of Radeon card are you talking about?

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Bruce

Hello,


Most Reliable G4 Tower:

MDD Dual 1.25


Least Reliable G4 Tower:

2001 QS 733 - 2 dead power supplies in 2 years.


Bruce Sugarberg WA8TNC

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
I was considering the ati radeon pro Mac edition in 128 or 256.   Seems like 
they are expensive and not easy to come by. I see now that you have to watch 
and make sure it's a Mac card and that it has adc too. 

On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:34 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:
 
 You get the power from one of the ata hd power plugs?
 
 What model of Radeon card are you talking about?
 
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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
I'm not sure of which one yet.  I guess the 128 would be a huge improvement

On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:34 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:
 
 You get the power from one of the ata hd power plugs?
 
 What model of Radeon card are you talking about?
 
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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Kris Tilford

On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:

I was considering the ati radeon pro Mac edition in 128 or 256.
Seems like they are expensive and not easy to come by. I see now  
that you have to watch and make sure it's a Mac card and that it has  
adc too.



I'm not sure of which one yet.  I guess the 128 would be a huge  
improvement


I'm not too familiar with the market for Mac Radeon cards with ADC,  
but my suspicion is that they should be cheap since almost everyone  
has migrated on to LCD monitors and the call for ADC ports should be  
near zero? This would make me suspect that you could probably place a  
WTB: ADC Radeon Card Cheap on LEM-Swap and get a lot of replies for  
since many people would be replacing ADC cards with dual DVI or combo  
VGA/DVI cards so that they could drive two LCD monitors.


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread James Therrault
I've had my 400MHz G4 Gigabit since January of 2001 as my main  
desktop machine.  It runs 24/7, (except when I travel), and it has  
run flawlessly for this period.  Only modification was the addition  
of a SCSI card when new and pumping up the ram from 256MB to 768MB.   
Oh, I did replace the original drives with a 120 Western Digital GB  
and 160GB Seagate. I suspect that if I were to go to a full 2GB RAM,  
it would run even better.


JT

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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
Thanks. I'll give it a try. 



On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:
 
 I was considering the ati radeon pro Mac edition in 128 or 256.   Seems like 
 they are expensive and not easy to come by. I see now that you have to watch 
 and make sure it's a Mac card and that it has adc too.
 
 
 I'm not sure of which one yet.  I guess the 128 would be a huge improvement
 
 I'm not too familiar with the market for Mac Radeon cards with ADC, but my 
 suspicion is that they should be cheap since almost everyone has migrated on 
 to LCD monitors and the call for ADC ports should be near zero? This would 
 make me suspect that you could probably place a WTB: ADC Radeon Card Cheap 
 on LEM-Swap and get a lot of replies for since many people would be replacing 
 ADC cards with dual DVI or combo VGA/DVI cards so that they could drive two 
 LCD monitors.
 
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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread Stephen Rudy
My 2001 quicksilver sits at work as a test box at the Disaster Recovery site to 
this day. One day, the server room cooler failed. All of the real servers went 
into thermal alarm and shut down. The heat blast about knocked me down when I 
opened the door. What was still running? Cisco devices and the 2001 overclocked 
Quickksilver.
I think I saw it YAWN at me in boredom when I opened the door.

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On Oct 28, 2010, at 4:32 PM, admin wrote:

 I like this model a lot.  The Zip drive, if still there, and Zip  
 CAGE can both be removed, creating more open space inside for  
 running cables, SCSI, ATA or SATA.  It seems to run cooler and  
 quieter than a MDD I had for a short time.

The QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz is an exceptionally reliable machine,  
perhaps more reliable than any successor machine (Mirror Door, et. al.).

The QS 2001/QS2002 Zip drive carrier requires simple modifications to  
accommodate an HD in place of the Zip, and the QS 2002 ROM will  
accept any LBA48 drive (500 GB, say) on the optical bus, as it will  
on the HD bus, and the QS2001 and the Digital Audio can very easily  
made to do so (LBA48 Property Script).

There are no significant reliability issues with the PSU of the DA,  
QS 2001 nor with the QS 2002.

The motherboards are essentially the same, differing only in certain  
changes to accommodate the changes in overall functional  
specifications. 1.5 GB maximum RAM in all.

I have retired my several DAs, just because, and I have replaced  
all with a single QS 2002 dual 1.0 GHz, and have augmented these by  
certain generic machines (LGA 775 AND LGA 1156) which have been  
adapted to run 10.6.4 using the usual techniques.

My most reliable machine is a Shuttle SP35P2V2 (P35 Northbridge/ICH9- 
R Southbridge) with an nVidia 8400GS video card and a Dell/Broadcom  
4318 Airport-compatible WiFi card, running MacOS X 10.6.4 with ALL  
software updates.


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Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable

2010-10-28 Thread JoeTaxpayer
I have 5 MDD G4s. One was bought new, all others on eBay. Ironically
one failed, power supply I think, and it was the machine I had bought
new.
These can be had with solid RAM (2GB) and only need a USB 2.0 card to
be fully useful. Leopard runs well on them.

I bought a Mac Pro Quad core a few months back, the only real time I
see a difference is encoding video.
These (G4s) are great for web browsing, video editing, spreadsheets,
etc. Great family and/or older person computer.

On Oct 28, 9:28 am, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and
 least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers
 have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do
 you guys think?

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