Re: Webcam for G4 running Mac OS X 10.5.8
On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Can anyone recommend webcams for a Digital Audio Dual 533 G4 running 10.5.8? FW? USB2? I have several Cameras iSight FW and a USB iMage also a couple of Logitech USB cams. The iSight FW camera is hands down the best You can get them on eBay for less than a top of the line Logitech and the iSight will work much better. However IMO in your G4 533 the performance on Skype or iChat will be a challenge the 533 is way slow for any live cam I've seen. The slowest machine I use with a web cam is a Dual 1.25 MDD. But that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Thermal Compound Question
Hi all, quick question here, I'm looking to buy some thermal compound, and am wondering if all is the same? Or if there is a better brand I should buy. I'm just looking on ebay, and the stuff is cheap. Just wondering, is there varying qualities? Or is it all the same stuff. Just to be clear, I'm looking for the grey stuff you put on a processor to help transfer heat to the heat sink. Thanks! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On Nov 2, 2:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I've never liked Western Digital's stuff, I had a round of lemons from them back in the 90s. Every drive manufacturer sells a round of lemons at some point. Maxtor made some 120 MB (that's MB, not GB) drives that failed just out of their one year warranty fifteen years ago. We had forty of them at my office at the time. IBM had the Death stars (Deskstar). Seagates 1.5 TB drives may qualify, and check out the feedback on their low-end 2 GB drive at Newegg. Of course, one doesn't know if those hundreds of failures are out of 2000 or 200,000 sold I'm sure Hitachi has had a lemon at some point, but I've only ever had one or two of their drives, so I missed it. I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Off-Topic XBox VS Mac
My son is trying to move files from his XBox to a mac using a an USB- memory. What we get onto the memory are huge files known as data that I have no idea how to open. Anyone on this list that has moved images and pehaps even films back and fourth beteen an XBox and a Mac? Reply off-list, please. Anders -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thermal Compound Question
On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Hi all, quick question here, I'm looking to buy some thermal compound, and am wondering if all is the same? Or if there is a better brand I should buy. I'm just looking on ebay, and the stuff is cheap. Just wondering, is there varying qualities? Or is it all the same stuff. Just to be clear, I'm looking for the grey stuff you put on a processor to help transfer heat to the heat sink. Thanks! -Jonas Well Joanas I just happen to be applying some right now. There seem to be many brands and all claim to be the do all end all product I have 3 different ones and I can't say I've noticed a real difference. Some claim to have silver dust which sounds good and expensive and also you would think a very good thermal conductor and then I have a tube of a diamond dust product that costs a couple of bucks more, I really don't understand diamond being a thermal conductor but maybe so, and then I have a tube of a white paste that a Apple Depot in Texas uses. They all seem to do the job if applied properly, be real clean and just a very thin coat is all that's needed. Too much will defeat the purpose:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On 2010/11/02 09:48, Dan so eloquently wrote: Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated... (get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well) http://www.clamxav.com/ And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2010/11/free-mac-anti-virus.html - Dan. Downloaded both, ran Sophos first and it found two threats in some games for my phone, one Java and one .exe. Don't know what (if anything) the Java file would have done had I tried to run them on my Mac, but they're gone now. After 10 years of using OS X the score is: Windows exploits - Two Java exploits - One OS X exploits - Zero Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thermal Compound Question
On 2010/11/02 23:21, Jonas Ulrich so eloquently wrote: Hi all, quick question here, I'm looking to buy some thermal compound, and am wondering if all is the same? Or if there is a better brand I should buy. I'm just looking on ebay, and the stuff is cheap. Just wondering, is there varying qualities? Or is it all the same stuff. They all do the same thing. Arctic Silver has a good reputation but I cannot tell you if it is as good as it's rep or not. When I buy thermal paste I avoid the very cheapest ones and look for a name that I recognize. I have used Arctic Silver and Antec Formula 5 and both have worked fine (I can't give a thermal comparison because the only temp sensor on my iMac is for the HDD). Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
On 2010/11/03 09:17, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote: I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. The last time I looked, Seagate's five year warranty was history and they were only offering three year warranties. This was on consumer level drives, perhaps their enterprise drives are different. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Tina K. wrote: Downloaded both, ran Sophos first and it found two threats in some games for my phone, one Java and one .exe. Don't know what (if anything) the Java file would have done had I tried to run them on my Mac, but they're gone now. Sophos was throwing false positives like mad on Java last month; we have the enterprise version and get email notices when stuff is found on client systems. Running the .exe on your mac would have done absolutely nothing. All you would have gotten was a dialog asking you what application you wanted to use to open .exe files :-) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply.
What ill save data is backing data on an external (or internal second HD) at least once a month. Using CCC is a cinch to do that and usual takes a very short time. Mel --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Dead Drive? - Group Reply. To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 10:29 AM On 2010/11/03 09:17, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote: I tend to stick with Seagate these days. Their five year warranty won't save my data, but it means they have more motivation to put effort into quality control than a company offering a three year warranty. The last time I looked, Seagate's five year warranty was history and they were only offering three year warranties. This was on consumer level drives, perhaps their enterprise drives are different. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thermal Compound Question
On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:13 AM, John Carmonne wrote: I really don't understand diamond being a thermal conductor Diamond is an excellent conductor of heat, a property which is utilized by jewelers ad gemologists everywhere to detect fake diamonds from real ones. The testing device measures the subject gem's properties and returns a GO or NO-GO indication. Manufactured diamonds can be detected, too, by their difference in fluorescence from natural diamonds. Anyway, the thermal paste which includes diamonds, either natural or manufactured, is a superior product, which simply uses the gem's inherent properties to conduct heat better than competitive products. Still, for all but the most demanding application, white silicone grease is probably good enough. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On 11/2/10 11:48 AM, Dan wrote: Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated... (get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well) http://www.clamxav.com/ And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2010/11/free-mac-anti-virus.html - Dan. Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start with the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing a couple of hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB HDD. No infections are listed yet but this came up at some point: Starting scan… do not upload it somewhere! My objects .crash.log I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini for awhile and just noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and I have no idea what it means, seeing how there's nothing in the Infection Name area. Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I probably won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my machines for hours. Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have any reference point to compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno. Geeesh, is this what Windoze users have to do all the time?!?!? ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
Howdy, all... I've been cleaning out some old computer gear and came across my old UMAX 1200S Astra flatbed scanner (which I originally bought for a PC) and thought to myself, hm, why not see if this thing will work with my Sawtooth. Hm again - the Astra's cable is a DB25 male and the Mac has a SCSI card with an HD50 female connector. I do not know if this card works, I don't have anything to hook to it. Does anyone know anything about these cards - what information do I need to dig up for it to see if it would talk to the scanner? I cannot find the original SCSI card that came with the scanner - that appears to be lost to history at this point. Do you think an adapter to the existing SCSI card might work, or should I try to locate a card like the one shown here: http://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-2906-SCSI-Windows-Support/dp/B5111H ? That's a ton of money to spend on an ancient scanner that hasn't been turned on in over a decade. Any thoughts or ideas welcome :) Thanks, Annie M -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thermal Compound Question
Anyway, the thermal paste which includes diamonds, either natural or manufactured, is a superior product, which simply uses the gem's inherent properties to conduct heat better than competitive products. Still, for all but the most demanding application, white silicone grease is probably good enough. Well that's good to know because Fry's keeps the diamond product in stock and I'm getting low on it so no confusion next time to buy. I have noticed that Apple used a thick paste on the G4 PowerBooks, I assume this is because the possible flexing and ambient temperature changes of the components could break the thermal contact, therefore I use just a touch more on them. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 667 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thermal Compound Question
Thanks everyone! I just bought some arctic silver on ebay. Thanks! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Yersinia wrote: Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start with the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing a couple of hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB HDD. No infections are listed yet but this came up at some point: Starting scan… do not upload it somewhere! My objects .crash.log I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini for awhile and just noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and I have no idea what it means, seeing how there's nothing in the Infection Name area. Make sure there isn't a dialog window waiting patiently where you can't find it, or that it hasn't simply crashed...it IS a beta after all. Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I probably won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my machines for hours. Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have any reference point to compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno. It's sort of like Spotlight...the first time takes forever, but both Sophos and ClamXAv can be configured to do on Access scanning, which is considerably faster; files are only ever scanned if the system touches them. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On 11/3/10 9:55 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Yersinia wrote: Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start with the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing a couple of hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB HDD. No infections are listed yet but this came up at some point: Starting scan… do not upload it somewhere! My objects .crash.log I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini for awhile and just noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and I have no idea what it means, seeing how there's nothing in the Infection Name area. Make sure there isn't a dialog window waiting patiently where you can't find it, or that it hasn't simply crashed...it IS a beta after all. Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I probably won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my machines for hours. Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have any reference point to compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno. It's sort of like Spotlight...the first time takes forever, but both Sophos and ClamXAv can be configured to do on Access scanning, which is considerably faster; files are only ever scanned if the system touches them. Nope, no hidden dialog boxes...at least none behind or below the main window, and nothing in the Window menu anywayanyplace else I should be looking? ..and, hmmm...NOW it looks like it might have crashed. Before when I wrote my prior post, I could see filenames whizzing by, now it's stuck on one so that's why I think it might have crashed. OK, thanks for the heads-up about a first time virus scan being like Spotlight/taking forever. Maybe I will try Sophos after all. But... what IS Access scanning and what do you mean by files are only ever scanned if the system touches thsm? By the system do you mean OS X? ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
On Nov 3, 2010, at 9:06 PM, A.M. McCullough wrote: Howdy, all... I've been cleaning out some old computer gear and came across my old UMAX 1200S Astra flatbed scanner (which I originally bought for a PC) and thought to myself, hm, why not see if this thing will work with my Sawtooth. Hm again - the Astra's cable is a DB25 male and the Mac has a SCSI card with an HD50 female connector. I do not know if this card works, I don't have anything to hook to it. Does anyone know anything about these cards - what information do I need to dig up for it to see if it would talk to the scanner? I cannot find the original SCSI card that came with the scanner - that appears to be lost to history at this point. Do you think an adapter to the existing SCSI card might work, or should I try to locate a card like the one shown here: http://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-2906-SCSI-Windows-Support/dp/ B5111H ? That's a ton of money to spend on an ancient scanner that hasn't been turned on in over a decade. I believe its probably a PC only card. My UMAX Astra 2400S came with a PC SCSI card and it did not work in my PCI Mac. I'm using another SCSI PCI card and it works fine ... its an ATTOExpressPCIPro type card. I got an external adapter from mcpricebreakers (mcpb,com) that fits in the opening in the back, usually used by another PCI card or by a dummy filler bar. Good luck. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe its probably a PC only card. My UMAX Astra 2400S came with a PC SCSI card and it did not work in my PCI Mac. I meant the PCI card that came with the UMAX 2400S is a PC only PCI card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
On 3 Nov 2010, at 18:06:10 PDT, A.M. McCullough wrote: Howdy, all... I've been cleaning out some old computer gear and came across my old UMAX 1200S Astra flatbed scanner (which I originally bought for a PC) and thought to myself, hm, why not see if this thing will work with my Sawtooth. Hm again - the Astra's cable is a DB25 male and the Mac has a SCSI card with an HD50 female connector. I do not know if this card works, I don't have anything to hook to it. Does anyone know anything about these cards - what information do I need to dig up for it to see if it would talk to the scanner? I cannot find the original SCSI card that came with the scanner - that appears to be lost to history at this point. Do you think an adapter to the existing SCSI card might work, or should I try to locate a card like the one shown here: http://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-2906-SCSI-Windows-Support/dp/ B5111H ? That's a ton of money to spend on an ancient scanner that hasn't been turned on in over a decade. Any thoughts or ideas welcome :) Thanks, Annie M - As you can get a NEW scan-print-copy machine for about the same price as the card, it seems a waste. There are adapters to connect the 25 pin SCSI port on the scanner to the connector in your Mac. Or cables with different ends to do the same thing. I had no luck trying to get my Astra 1200S connected to my AGP graphics SCSI card (might be the same one you have). Had the connectors but the computer could not see the scanner. Found an Epson with Firewire that is a better scanner and faster than SCSI so retired the 1200S. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:06 AM, A.M. McCullough amccu...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, all... I've been cleaning out some old computer gear and came across my old UMAX 1200S Astra flatbed scanner (which I originally bought for a PC) and thought to myself, hm, why not see if this thing will work with my Sawtooth. Hm again - the Astra's cable is a DB25 male and the Mac has a SCSI card with an HD50 female connector. I do not know if this card works, I don't have anything to hook to it. Does anyone know anything about these cards - what information do I need to dig up for it to see if it would talk to the scanner? I cannot find the original SCSI card that came with the scanner - that appears to be lost to history at this point. Do you think an adapter to the existing SCSI card might work, or should I try to locate a card like the one shown here: http://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-2906-SCSI-Windows-Support/dp/B5111H ? That's a ton of money to spend on an ancient scanner that hasn't been turned on in over a decade. I have that scanner. ( In storage now because a high res USB Epson suits me better) I am not familiar with you CPU. It has to have a SCSI card because of no built i n Mac SCSI ? Assuming that is correct wouldn't a 50 pin to 25 pin SCSI adapter from the swap list be cheaper ? And less hassle? Moe Hamed on the Swap list may have one or aomeone else. Or just web search SCSI conectors? EZ_PZ ! -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.com http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe its probably a PC only card. If it is a Mac card, then it will say so on the ROM's label. In general, the Adaptec (and perhaps other) SCSI cards which have 25- pin D-Subminiature connectors are hard-pressed to be Mac-compatible. The cards which have high-density 50-pin connectors (also known as a SCSI-2 connector), or the also SCSI-2 68-pin connector (but which is W-SCSI, UW-SCSI or LV/SE-SCSI), are the best for Mac-compatibility. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
Yep, sounds like an adapter is the way to go. I don't mind throwing ten bucks at it for the cost of an adapter plus shipping just to see if it works, since I have no idea if the card that's in the computer right now is at all functional. I'm pretty new to Macs overall and SCSI is an older technology that doesn't really exist in the PC world any more, so I wasn't sure if I needed a specific type of card or speed to talk to the old machine. Anything over ten bucks - well, now, let's see who recycles scanners ;) Anna On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:06 AM, A.M. McCullough amccu...@gmail.comwrote: Howdy, all... I've been cleaning out some old computer gear and came across my old UMAX 1200S Astra flatbed scanner (which I originally bought for a PC) and thought to myself, hm, why not see if this thing will work with my Sawtooth. Hm again - the Astra's cable is a DB25 male and the Mac has a SCSI card with an HD50 female connector. I do not know if this card works, I don't have anything to hook to it. Does anyone know anything about these cards - what information do I need to dig up for it to see if it would talk to the scanner? I cannot find the original SCSI card that came with the scanner - that appears to be lost to history at this point. Do you think an adapter to the existing SCSI card might work, or should I try to locate a card like the one shown here: http://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-2906-SCSI-Windows-Support/dp/B5111H ? That's a ton of money to spend on an ancient scanner that hasn't been turned on in over a decade. I have that scanner. ( In storage now because a high res USB Epson suits me better) I am not familiar with you CPU. It has to have a SCSI card because of no built i n Mac SCSI ? Assuming that is correct wouldn't a 50 pin to 25 pin SCSI adapter from the swap list be cheaper ? And less hassle? Moe Hamed on the Swap list may have one or aomeone else. Or just web search SCSI conectors? EZ_PZ ! -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.com http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
That explains why the Mac has that particular card in it :) I don't have the original card that came with the scanner at all, but now that I've been trying to remember about it, I do believe it was a PC only card anyway. So that brings me back to scrounging an adapter to see if the old beast (it's a legal-size scanner - they don't sell THOSE at Best Buy any more, grin) still has any life left in it :) Thanks, Anna On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe its probably a PC only card. If it is a Mac card, then it will say so on the ROM's label. In general, the Adaptec (and perhaps other) SCSI cards which have 25-pin D-Subminiature connectors are hard-pressed to be Mac-compatible. The cards which have high-density 50-pin connectors (also known as a SCSI-2 connector), or the also SCSI-2 68-pin connector (but which is W-SCSI, UW-SCSI or LV/SE-SCSI), are the best for Mac-compatibility. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
There is something that doesn't make a lot of sense here. I don't think there ever was a peecee that used a DB25 connector for SCSI. Only Apple ever did that and they shorted a bunch of grounds together while violating SCSI rules of engagement. Was that scanner really a peecee parallel-port device? What is an HD50 connector? Do you mean a two row connector for a circuit board as Apple used internally with a flat cable? Or is it a 50 bin blue ribbon job from Amphenol? It's possible to solder from a DB25 to a DB-style 50 pin connector but it's a real pain to do a high density 50 pin job. The Iomega folks used 25 pin SCSI connectors on its Zip drives. Their pinout was the same as Apple's DB25's. Those cables ought to be all over the place. I might even have one. The G4 Sawtooth used ATA 40 pin connections internally. There are PCI cards for SCSI one of which which I assume you have installed. Did Astra supply something like that with a DB25? I'd be surprised if it did for use with a peecee. -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
Ummm ... yep, I bought the Astra over fifteen years ago for a PC. Yes, it came with a SCSI card and cable to install in the PC. I have no idea who the manufacturer of the scanner's card was, but it worked well back then. No, I do not have THAT card any more, not that it apparently would make any difference if I had since evidently it was only for use in the PC. Yes, the G4 Sawtooth has a SCSI card in it already - I bought the G4 used a couple years ago and it came with the machine, I've never had anything to plug into it to see if the card is even functional. It is NOT a ribbon cable. It is an actual card with a connector that looks like this: http://www.ramelectronics.net/scsi_connectors.ep, eighth photo down, the HD50 Female connector. I have a USB zip drive so that ain't much of a help (grin) and besides, I don't need the CABLE. That part I have. What I need is something to connect it to the Mac's card. And nope, I ain't soldering anything - that's WAY too much work to put into this old scanner :-) So I'm off to post in LEMswap and see if I can snag a cheapo adapter for under $10 - I'm willing to throw that at it and see what happens :) Thanks, Anna On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.comwrote: There is something that doesn't make a lot of sense here. I don't think there ever was a peecee that used a DB25 connector for SCSI. Only Apple ever did that and they shorted a bunch of grounds together while violating SCSI rules of engagement. Was that scanner really a peecee parallel-port device? What is an HD50 connector? Do you mean a two row connector for a circuit board as Apple used internally with a flat cable? Or is it a 50 bin blue ribbon job from Amphenol? It's possible to solder from a DB25 to a DB-style 50 pin connector but it's a real pain to do a high density 50 pin job. The Iomega folks used 25 pin SCSI connectors on its Zip drives. Their pinout was the same as Apple's DB25's. Those cables ought to be all over the place. I might even have one. The G4 Sawtooth used ATA 40 pin connections internally. There are PCI cards for SCSI one of which which I assume you have installed. Did Astra supply something like that with a DB25? I'd be surprised if it did for use with a peecee. -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Yersinia wrote: OK, thanks for the heads-up about a first time virus scan being like Spotlight/taking forever. Maybe I will try Sophos after all. But... what IS Access scanning and what do you mean by files are only ever scanned if the system touches thsm? By the system do you mean OS X? on access scanning means that when files are read (for the first time in a session) or written they're scanned. It's sort of like spotlight which only indexes when files are changed. Both programs insert themselves into the OS so that when files are read or written; they scan the file before the OS can do anything. If this sounds a lot like what malware would do, you're right. Some years back a Sophos update decided that a bunch of Microsoft application support files were viruses. A LOT of folks suddenly ended up with fubared Office installs, and a lot of IT folks cursed Sophos that day. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: What is an HD50 connector? It is the single-byte (SCSI-N) version of the two-byte (SCSI-W) HD68 connector. Both were codified in the SCSI-2 standard. The large Amphenol 50-pin (incorrectly called Centronics) and the smaller MIL-Spec 25-pin D-Subminiature (actually a Cannon Electric design) were never officially part of the SCSI-1 specification. The 50-pin and 68-pin HD connectors ARE part of the SCSI-2 specification. A card which I have had very good luck with is the Adaptec AHA-2930CU, which is Apple part number 1719309-00 A, and has a Mac BIOS with a checksum of EEC8. The external connector is a SCSI-2 HD50 type, and the internal connector is a 50-pin ribbon type. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thermal Compound Question
On 2010/11/03 12:39, John Carmonne so eloquently wrote: I have noticed that Apple used a thick paste on the G4 PowerBooks, I assume this is because the possible flexing and ambient temperature changes of the components could break the thermal contact That might not be the case, I do remember some Apple model being manufactured with too much thermal paste by mistake, but I don't remember which model it was. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:59 PM, A.M. McCullough wrote: Ummm ... yep, I bought the Astra over fifteen years ago for a PC. Yes, it came with a SCSI card and cable to install in the PC. I have no idea who the manufacturer of the scanner's card was, but it worked well back then. No, I do not have THAT card any more, not that it apparently would make any difference if I had since evidently it was only for use in the PC. Yes, the G4 Sawtooth has a SCSI card in it already - I bought the G4 used a couple years ago and it came with the machine, I've never had anything to plug into it to see if the card is even functional. It is NOT a ribbon cable. It is an actual card with a connector that looks like this: http://www.ramelectronics.net/scsi_connectors.ep , eighth photo down, the HD50 Female connector. The folks at mcpb.com will work with u to find the right one. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
