Re: Low density or high?

2011-03-08 Thread pdimage
On 8/3/11 03:37, peterh...@cruzio.com peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:

 
 I have 3 high density 512mb chips... am I good to go?

It's certainly low for the PC100/133 variety for early Sawtooth through
Quicksilvers but I'm not sure for the PC2700 varietyI always understood
that high density was slower and poorer quality..

http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/Myth-Low-Density-vs-High-Density-memory-modules_W
0QQugidZ101236187

Pete


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Re: Low density or high?

2011-03-08 Thread Geke
 I have 3 high density 512mb chips... am I good to go?

Try before you buy is the best way. Or ask the seller to confirm
they’ll work in your specific model.

Actually, I thought all Macs needed low-density RAM -- it seems it
gives better performance or reliability -- but if you have those chips
already, there’s no harm in putting them in and try it out. Just take
care of handling them correctly regarding electrostatics (grounded
wrist wrap) but you knew that.

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Superdrive woe

2011-03-08 Thread Jonathan Smith
Hi

I have a 17 powerbook G4 1.5 with the MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-825
superdrive.

I am not a frequent burner of dvd/cd's. But I am used to more modern
drive which don't fuss over what type of media you use.

According to it's specs, it reads dvd full stop and burns - and +.

I have had it reading from cd's and dvd's, I have yet to burn from it
though. But it will not recognise a particular dual layer dvd+ I have
burned. It just spits it out. It also spits out a blank disc of the
same kind.

I have read elsewhere that apple recommend TDK. Have I read correctly,
that these drives are fussy and only like certain brands of disc?

Also, should I be ok to read and write to dvd+ dual layers and if so,
which work for you best?

Thanks!

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Re: Clean My Mac: OnyX not working

2011-03-08 Thread Dan

At 4:26 PM -0700 3/7/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Mar 7, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Dan wrote:
  Now I'm trying to figure out how to make him administrator so he 
has access.


 Still not a good idea.

 He needs to logout.  Then you  login to an administrator account, 
open System

 Preferences, Accounts tab, and select his account.  Check the box for admin.

  Then can login again.

Actually I'll disagree with Dan here; it works perfectly well to do 
this while the user is logged in; you have to use the credentials of 
an current administrator to do so, of course, but once you've done 
this they can do anything they want. No need to log out or any such 
stuff...it's not Windows, after all


hum.  Just tried it in Tiger - no go - had to log out and back in to 
get the admin to stick.  Perhaps this working dynamically is Leo+?


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Re: Superdrive woe

2011-03-08 Thread Dan

At 4:38 AM -0800 3/8/2011, Jonathan Smith wrote:

17 powerbook G4 1.5 with the MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-825 superdrive.

I have had it reading from cd's and dvd's, I have yet to burn from it
though. But it will not recognise a particular dual layer dvd+ I have
burned. It just spits it out. It also spits out a blank disc of the
same kind.


Odd.  Have you tried cleaning the drive?

Check the drive's capabilities in System Profiler.  Make sure the OS 
knows it does DL.



I have read elsewhere that apple recommend TDK. Have I read correctly,
that these drives are fussy and only like certain brands of disc?


Not in my experience.

But then I've had many drives (on various machines) reject cheap media.

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Re: Superdrive woe

2011-03-08 Thread John Carmonne

On Mar 8, 2011, at 4:38 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote:

 Hi
 
 I have a 17 powerbook G4 1.5 with the MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-825
 superdrive.
 
 I am not a frequent burner of dvd/cd's. But I am used to more modern
 drive which don't fuss over what type of media you use.
 
 According to it's specs, it reads dvd full stop and burns - and +.
 
 I have had it reading from cd's and dvd's, I have yet to burn from it
 though. But it will not recognise a particular dual layer dvd+ I have
 burned. It just spits it out. It also spits out a blank disc of the
 same kind.
 
 I have read elsewhere that apple recommend TDK. Have I read correctly,
 that these drives are fussy and only like certain brands of disc?
 
 Also, should I be ok to read and write to dvd+ dual layers and if so,
 which work for you best?
 
 Thanks!

Some times we run across a brand or batch that the optical drive has a hard 
time with, change brands, I have best luck with HP-R media, except the DL's are 
+R however burning DL DVD movies are a crap shoot with any brand of media from 
Phillips to Verbatim even on Pioneer external drives. Trying to burn DL DVD's 
in a PowerBook is not only slower than the second coming but will probably 
produce more coasters than good burns. If you must use the PB to burn with I 
suggest you carry a Firwire external and  if burning movies use HP single layer 
with compression. Been there none all that:-)



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
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Re: Clean My Mac: Non Update :@*

2011-03-08 Thread Anne Keller-Smith
Thanks everyone for all your replies. We've made a To Do List and the  
first item is backup his whole drive - I will buy him an external on  
Thursday.


So we will be implementing many of your excellent suggestions, just  
not today :@D


We did ask the other two guys what kind of RAM they have on their  
machines - they each have 4 gigs to my kid's 1 gig. So it would seem  
that may be the factor.


On Mar 8, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Dan wrote:


At 4:26 PM -0700 3/7/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Mar 7, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Dan wrote:
 Now I'm trying to figure out how to make him administrator so he  
has access.


Still not a good idea.

He needs to logout.  Then you  login to an administrator account,  
open System
Preferences, Accounts tab, and select his account.  Check the box  
for admin.

 Then can login again.

Actually I'll disagree with Dan here; it works perfectly well to do  
this while the user is logged in; you have to use the credentials  
of an current administrator to do so, of course, but once you've  
done this they can do anything they want. No need to log out or any  
such stuff...it's not Windows, after all


hum.  Just tried it in Tiger - no go - had to log out and back in to  
get the admin to stick.  Perhaps this working dynamically is Leo+?


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Re: Clean My Mac: OnyX not working

2011-03-08 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Dan wrote:

 
 Actually I'll disagree with Dan here; it works perfectly well to do this 
 while the user is logged in; you have to use the credentials of an current 
 administrator to do so, of course, but once you've done this they can do 
 anything they want. No need to log out or any such stuff...it's not Windows, 
 after all
 
 hum.  Just tried it in Tiger - no go - had to log out and back in to get the 
 admin to stick.  Perhaps this working dynamically is Leo+?

Now that I think of it, the user management system was one of the things that 
changed a lot between 10.4 and 10.5, so it's probable that it works 
differently. We have very few systems here that run 10.4; every college Mac 
we're managing is an intel mac which came with 10.5 minimumthey've REALLY 
taken off here. We've gone from a handful of Mac users in the College to over 
100 in just a few years. Certainly the new ones I'm adding to our Windows 
domain (and having these admin issues with) are all 10.6. 

I've got one old sawtooth in the back room I can boot up into 10.4 if I want; 
I've considered trying to get PearPC working in a VM to have a 10.4 system on 
hand for support and testing issues, but there's so few of them (mostly aging 
PPC systems in the labs and the occasional student with an aging Powerbook or 
iBook.)

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Re: Superdrive woe

2011-03-08 Thread Jonathan Smith
Thanks peeps. Just realised this is the g-group and not the lappy
group. Doh.

I haven't cleaned the drive Dan, no. It reads audio CD's flawlessly,
so I am confident it's clean.

I wouldn't care if they were cheap, but we only stock good quality
media. They work just fine on the other drives in the workshop (6).

Just thought, I burnt the same image at home on my mid 2010 imac and
it failed to complete twice with toast ultimate.

I have diagnoses the disc I did today on a pc and it threw back zero
errors and it read fine with MacDrive 8.

I shall try a different manufacturer. Trouble on two mac, might be a
clue! I will try it on my Mac Pro and see what that throws up.

cheers

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Re: Superdrive woe

2011-03-08 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote:

 Thanks peeps. Just realised this is the g-group and not the lappy
 group. Doh.
 
 I haven't cleaned the drive Dan, no. It reads audio CD's flawlessly,
 so I am confident it's clean.

The read heads for CD's and DVD's are different, it's entirely possible for one 
to be dirty and another work. It's also possible for the DVD part to die while 
the CD part still works; the original LG combo drives that came in Pismos were 
notorious for that.

Some batches of disks are just bad, too. I've had to return packages to the 
store when I got several failures in a row, especially if it's been tried on 
different computers. Recordable media is a cheap commodity now, and QC has 
slipped; you cannot pay for a lot of QC when you can't sell the disks for more 
than a $1 or 50 cents each. Back in the day when CDR's were $10 each; they were 
tested more rigorously; nowadays you're probably lucky for 5 tested disks per 
lot, which could be thousands of disks.

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Re: No boot G4 MDD?

2011-03-08 Thread t...@io.com


On Mar 4, 7:35 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 I'm dealing with a PM G4 MDD Dual 1.25 it's a solid daily driver. 2  
 GB RAM  2 HDDs 2 optical drives. The machine stopped booting after  
 the installation of an aftermarket CPU fan, Doesn't make too much  
 sense being the wires are the same.

This is overly obvious, but is the new fan turning properly?  I've
seen machines with cooling issues which would boot only so far and
then crash as the CPU reached some temperature point beyond which it
could not operate properly.

Do you still have the old fan?  If so, try swapping it back in and see
if the problem remains.

Jeff Walther

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Re: No boot G4 MDD?

2011-03-08 Thread John Carmonne


On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:58 AM, t...@io.com wrote:




On Mar 4, 7:35 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:

I'm dealing with a PM G4 MDD Dual 1.25 it's a solid daily driver. 2
GB RAM  2 HDDs 2 optical drives. The machine stopped booting after
the installation of an aftermarket CPU fan, Doesn't make too much
sense being the wires are the same.


This is overly obvious, but is the new fan turning properly?  I've
seen machines with cooling issues which would boot only so far and
then crash as the CPU reached some temperature point beyond which it
could not operate properly.


Well in the end the problem turned out to be a burned CPU. So a new  
one is on the way.


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Superdrive woe

2011-03-08 Thread Kris Tilford

On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote:


I have a 17 powerbook G4 1.5 with the MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-825
superdrive.

I am not a frequent burner of dvd/cd's. But I am used to more modern
drive which don't fuss over what type of media you use.

According to it's specs, it reads dvd full stop and burns - and +.

I have had it reading from cd's and dvd's, I have yet to burn from it
though. But it will not recognise a particular dual layer dvd+ I have
burned. It just spits it out. It also spits out a blank disc of the
same kind.

I have read elsewhere that apple recommend TDK. Have I read correctly,
that these drives are fussy and only like certain brands of disc?

Also, should I be ok to read and write to dvd+ dual layers and if so,
which work for you best?


Don't know about media, the specifications of the UJ-825 say that it  
can both read  write DVD+ dual-layer media, so this appears to be a  
problem with the drive or the media type, most likely the media I'd  
guess?


With respect to media, there are several different dyes used in  
different media brands. I've had excellent luck with Verbatim discs  
that use the darker dye rather than the cheaper discs with the lighter  
dye. Cheap discs seem to fail at a high rate. One thing to consider,  
there is supposedly such a thing as a dual-layer rewritable disc which  
I've never used, but sounds intriguing if you could actually rewrite  
these up to 1,000 times. I'd be surprised if you could rewrite  a  
single time, but I have very limited experience with rewritable discs,  
perhaps they work great?


I've seen that back in 2007 someone created a patched firmware for  
this drive that enables RPC1 region-free usage for this drive so  
that it can play discs from all regions. Normally region-free flashing  
isn't necessary any longer because VLC can play discs from all regions  
without flashing, but this particular drive seems to be special and  
doesn't work region-free with VLC according to information on this page:

http://www.pinoymac.org/forum/archive/index.php?t-18462.html

Flashing a drive in a Mac may be impossible or difficult. I don't see  
a Mac flash program, but it may be possible to boot the Mac into  
Target Disk mode and attach the Mac to a PC via a Firewire cable and  
then flash the drive from the PC using the Windows flash program (I  
don't know if it supports Firewire flashing, so this may be a waste of  
time?). If you can't flash it using a PC with the Mac in Target Disk  
mode the only alternative would be to remove the drive and place it  
into a PC which seems too difficult for a laptop.


Also, finding the patched firmware may be difficult, and it also my  
remove the Apple from the identifier, which probably isn't an issue  
if you're using 10.4.11 or 10.5.8, but may require PatchBurn if you  
have any lower level OS.


Here's a page about the UJ-825 patched firmwware:
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?f=30t=43012

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Re: audio cards

2011-03-08 Thread Dave
Hello,

What is your budget? What software do you plan to use? Which Mac will
you be using?

I've been using an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 for several years with
absolutely no trouble. They sell for about $100.

http://m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496.html

However, it's A/D signal-to-noise is only about 100 db.

Here are the current system requirements:

Minimum System Requirements (Mac)

G3* 500MHz with OS 9.2.2, 128MB RAM

G4* 500MHz with OS X 10.1.5, 10.2.6, 10.3.8, 10.4, 10.5.1 w/ 256MB
RAM**

OMS 2.3.8 for MIDI under OS 9.2.2

Currently there are two models of Apple’s G5 that are incompatible
with this product. Please click this link for more information:
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faqID=b9f145c1c2ef3fd398ae0c17b1a4cb48

* G3/G4 accelerator cards not supported; OS 10.3 required for Dolby
Digital and DTS “pass-through” with Apple DVD Player
** Please check the minimum system requirements of your DAW software
as they may be higher.
*** Intel based Mac Pro  DualCore G5 with PCI-Express expansion slots
not supported.
///

For about twice the money they offer the Audiophile 192, with an A/D S/
N of about 113, but with more demanding system requirements:

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile192.html

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On Mar 6, 12:17 pm, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote:
 i want to convert a large analog audio library to digital format.  the
 analog sources are as clean as analog gets.  i want high-end D/A
 conversion that at the minimum exceeds the quality of the analog
 source.  i have been using macs for work and home for 20+ years, but
 i've never used one for anything related to audio.  consequently i
 know nothing on the practical side, and i have some basic questions
 which will no doubt expose the depths of my ignorance.

 is it better to go with a hardware D/A converter, or are there apps
 that do i better job?

 is there a place to compare PCI audio card specs that includes newer
 and older cards?

 my minimum requirements are:
 • LR audio line level input w/ S/N ratio ≥ 120 dB
 • ≥ 24-bits A/D conversion at ≥ 96k sample rate

 TIA for the helpful replies.

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spills wireless keyboard

2011-03-08 Thread michaelangelo
The answer to this question may be obvious to some but it's a mystery
to me: I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. If I accidentially dump my
coffee on the keyboad is there the same liklihood of shorting out or
otherwise damaging the computer as there is with a wired keyboard or
is this actually a good way to prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or
mouse? Great curiosity.

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Re: spills wireless keyboard

2011-03-08 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:57 PM, michaelangelo smit1...@gmail.com wrote:

 The answer to this question may be obvious to some but it's a mystery
 to me: I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. If I accidentially dump my
 coffee on the keyboad is there the same liklihood of shorting out or
 otherwise damaging the computer as there is with a wired keyboard or
 is this actually a good way to prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or
 mouse? Great curiosity.


Just lack of function to the KB,

Some people recommend putting it through the dishwasher.

Yes it is true.

Then drying it.











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Re: spills wireless keyboard

2011-03-08 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:57 PM, michaelangelo wrote:

 If I accidentially dump my
 coffee on the keyboad is there the same liklihood of shorting out or
 otherwise damaging the computer as there is with a wired keyboard or
 is this actually a good way to prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or
 mouse? 

Since there is no physical electrical connection it's as if you turned off the 
KB. 

And don't put any new Mac keyboards through the wash cycle;' this worked with 
the older ones, but the new aluminum ones are actually glued together and do 
not mix with liquids at all.

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Re: spills wireless keyboard

2011-03-08 Thread Charles Davis
If it's a wireless keyboard ---   be sure to remove the internal  
batteries BRFORE the 'dishwasher' treatment!!;-)


Chuck


On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:




On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:57 PM, michaelangelo smit1...@gmail.com  
wrote:

The answer to this question may be obvious to some but it's a mystery
to me: I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. If I accidentially dump my
coffee on the keyboad is there the same liklihood of shorting out or
otherwise damaging the computer as there is with a wired keyboard or
is this actually a good way to prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or
mouse? Great curiosity.


Just lack of function to the KB,

Some people recommend putting it through the dishwasher.

Yes it is true.

Then drying it.




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Re: Superdrive woe

2011-03-08 Thread faithie999
the UJ-825 in my powerbook G4 became increasingly fussy over time.  cd
writing was prettyr reliable, but as for dvd writing, sometimes it
would report a successful burn , but the resulting dvd wouldn't read.
more often, either the drive would report can't calibrate the laser
for this media or it would accept the media then fail either during
the burn or during the verify.  there seemed to be no difference in
success rate using either toast platinum or disk utility.

i found a replacement drive on ebay for about $25 IIRC.  i used a
guide from ifixit.com, which has a wide variety of very detailed and
(in my experience) accurate repair guides.  i have done several
repairs on mac books and a mac book pro, but replacing the superdrive
in the power book was the most challenging, so be forewarned.  nothing
about it was hard, or required any particular technical skills, but
just attention to detail and patience.  the superdrive appears to be
the first thing placed into the case during manufacture, so you need
to take out just about everything else in the case in order to remove
it.

when i use one of the ifixit guides, i print a copy, then tape the
screws to the printed copy that are removed in each step.

it took about an hour to do this repair, and the new drive works well.

ken



On Mar 8, 2:01 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote:



  I have a 17 powerbook G4 1.5 with the MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-825
  superdrive.

  I am not a frequent burner of dvd/cd's. But I am used to more modern
  drive which don't fuss over what type of media you use.

  According to it's specs, it reads dvd full stop and burns - and +.

  I have had it reading from cd's and dvd's, I have yet to burn from it
  though. But it will not recognise a particular dual layer dvd+ I have
  burned. It just spits it out. It also spits out a blank disc of the
  same kind.

  I have read elsewhere that apple recommend TDK. Have I read correctly,
  that these drives are fussy and only like certain brands of disc?

  Also, should I be ok to read and write to dvd+ dual layers and if so,
  which work for you best?

 Don't know about media, the specifications of the UJ-825 say that it  
 can both read  write DVD+ dual-layer media, so this appears to be a  
 problem with the drive or the media type, most likely the media I'd  
 guess?

 With respect to media, there are several different dyes used in  
 different media brands. I've had excellent luck with Verbatim discs  
 that use the darker dye rather than the cheaper discs with the lighter  
 dye. Cheap discs seem to fail at a high rate. One thing to consider,  
 there is supposedly such a thing as a dual-layer rewritable disc which  
 I've never used, but sounds intriguing if you could actually rewrite  
 these up to 1,000 times. I'd be surprised if you could rewrite  a  
 single time, but I have very limited experience with rewritable discs,  
 perhaps they work great?

 I've seen that back in 2007 someone created a patched firmware for  
 this drive that enables RPC1 region-free usage for this drive so  
 that it can play discs from all regions. Normally region-free flashing  
 isn't necessary any longer because VLC can play discs from all regions  
 without flashing, but this particular drive seems to be special and  
 doesn't work region-free with VLC according to information on this page:
 http://www.pinoymac.org/forum/archive/index.php?t-18462.html

 Flashing a drive in a Mac may be impossible or difficult. I don't see  
 a Mac flash program, but it may be possible to boot the Mac into  
 Target Disk mode and attach the Mac to a PC via a Firewire cable and  
 then flash the drive from the PC using the Windows flash program (I  
 don't know if it supports Firewire flashing, so this may be a waste of  
 time?). If you can't flash it using a PC with the Mac in Target Disk  
 mode the only alternative would be to remove the drive and place it  
 into a PC which seems too difficult for a laptop.

 Also, finding the patched firmware may be difficult, and it also my  
 remove the Apple from the identifier, which probably isn't an issue  
 if you're using 10.4.11 or 10.5.8, but may require PatchBurn if you  
 have any lower level OS.

 Here's a page about the UJ-825 patched firmwware:
 http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?f=30t=43012

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Re: Target mode problem

2011-03-08 Thread faithie999
i inherited a sawtooth G4, and for the first couple of weeks i
couldn't get it to enter target disk mode, either by using the T key
on startup, or choosing it in the startup disk preferences panel.
then one day i tried it and it worked, and it has ever since.  i think
what happened is that somewhere along the way in getting this old
machine up and running, upgraded, etc, i had reason to reset the CUDA
and that was what cause target disk mode to start working.  google
reset CUDA power mac and you'll find an apple document describing
how to do it for your machine.

ken



On Mar 7, 5:28 pm, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mar 6, 9:03 pm, MichaelP papa...@peak.org wrote:

  With an OS10.4.11 system refuses to enter Target mode on aG4 mirrored -
  PowerMac 3.6 - whether through the T-key or through the prompt on the
  Startup Disk window and, instead , the machine turnsitself off.

 I'm not sure I understand which machine is the target, and I am not
 sure I can help.  But have your tried making your current host the
 target instead?

 I had a similar problem years ago.  Look 
 here:http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/922a146...
 or search on Target Disk Mode Major Hicup.

 I never pursued the drive swap or master-slave solutions suggested by
 Bruce and Donald, because in a one-time transfer of files, I got what
 I wanted done by making the target mode go the opposite way.

 Al Poulin

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Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet

2011-03-08 Thread Ronald Sweet
The power supply unit recently gave out on my Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet 
Dual 500 MHz. I have now replaced the PSU, but in doing so I seem to have done 
more harm than good.

When I turn the computer on with the power button, it plays a chime and after 
about ten seconds the monitor (LG Flatron 17) lights up. A small rectangle 
with text flashes briefly on the screen, but is gone before I can read it. The 
icon of a folder then appears, with alternately a left-facing smiling face and 
a question mark on it. After a couple of minutes this icon eventually turns 
into a smiling Mac in a Mac Plus frame. The pointer also appears on the screen, 
and can be moved about by means of the mouse.

I suppose this means that the Mac is looking for a startup disk, and can't find 
one. Why not? I suspect it's because of careless handling of the hard drives 
when I was working in the case. Apple's Power Supply Replacement Instructions 
(accessed from docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75312) tell one to 
disconnect the power cables from any hard drives, and to do this I had to 
remove my two drives because the power cable on the lower drive was socketed in 
so tightly. I suspect that I accidentally zapped the drives with static 
electricity. Or can someone think of a more probable cause?

What must I do if I want to get this faithful old workhorse back into working 
order again, if in fact this is possible? Install another hard drive? If so, 
should it be a Serial ATA drive? And does that mean buying a Serial ATA PCI 
controller card?

If so, which kinds? The prices suggest it would be better to abandon the old 
machine.

The old drives (now useless?) were a 120GB Western Digital IDE drive, 
configured as master, and the original 40GB Ultra ATA/66 7200-rpm, configured 
as slave. The operating system was Tiger 4.11.

I will appreciate help and suggestions.

Ronald Sweet

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Re: Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet

2011-03-08 Thread Bill Connelly


On Mar 8, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Ronald Sweet wrote:

 I suspect it's because of careless handling of the hard drives when  
I was working in the case. Apple's Power Supply Replacement  
Instructions (accessed from docs.info.apple.com/article.html? 
artnum=75312) tell one to disconnect the power cables from any hard  
drives, and to do this I had to remove my two drives because the  
power cable on the lower drive was socketed in so tightly. I suspect  
that I accidentally zapped the drives with static electricity. Or  
can someone think of a more probable cause?


Try replacing the ATA cable. You might have pulled too hard on it, and  
broken one of the many wires in it.





What must I do if I want to get this faithful old workhorse back  
into working order again, if in fact this is possible? Install  
another hard drive? If so, should it be a Serial ATA drive? And does  
that mean buying a Serial ATA PCI controller card?


Did you do OPT-Command-P-R on Startup to reset things?

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Re: Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet

2011-03-08 Thread Bill Connelly
Then there's the PRAM button reset that should have been done as  
well ...


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Re: Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet

2011-03-08 Thread Dan

At 9:03 PM -0500 3/8/2011, Ronald Sweet wrote:
The power supply unit recently gave out on my Power Mac G4 Gigabit 
Ethernet Dual 500 MHz. I have now replaced the PSU, but in doing so 
I seem to have done more harm than good.


When I turn the computer on with the power button, it plays a chime 
and after about ten seconds the monitor (LG Flatron 17) lights up. 
A small rectangle with text flashes briefly on the screen, but is 
gone before I can read it. The icon of a folder then appears, with 
alternately a left-facing smiling face and a question mark on it. 
After a couple of minutes this icon eventually turns into a smiling 
Mac in a Mac Plus frame. The pointer also appears on the screen, and 
can be moved about by means of the mouse.


I suppose this means that the Mac is looking for a startup disk, and 
can't find one. Why not?


The data in the PRAM is invalid, so the bootstrap is doing the 
standard device seek, checking each in turn.


Zap the PRAM, and let the machine boot.  Then reselect the boot 
volume using the Startup Disk system preference pane.


I suspect it's because of careless handling of the hard drives when 
I was working in the case. Apple's Power Supply Replacement 
Instructions (accessed from 
docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75312) tell one to 
disconnect the power cables from any hard drives, and to do this I 
had to remove my two drives because the power cable on the lower 
drive was socketed in so tightly. I suspect that I accidentally 
zapped the drives with static electricity. Or can someone think of a 
more probable cause?


Think horses, not zebras.  Do the above first.

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Re: spills wireless keyboard

2011-03-08 Thread Dan

At 4:29 PM -0700 3/8/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:57 PM, michaelangelo wrote:
If I accidentially dump my coffee on the keyboad is there the same 
liklihood of shorting out or otherwise damaging the computer as 
there is with a wired keyboard or is this actually a good way to 
prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or mouse?


Since there is no physical electrical connection it's as if you 
turned off the KB.


heh.   That's just no fun.  Everyone knows that electrical shorts 
travel thru the aether just as well as they travel through metal and 
maple syrup.  humph.  Darn.  There's a cat whisker in my coffee mug 
again.  No wonder r new furball (7mos!) is so boingy!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Vicky%2C%20on%20the%20shelf.jpg

And don't put any new Mac keyboards through the wash cycle; this 
worked with the older ones, but the new aluminum ones are actually 
glued together and do not mix with liquids at all.


Um, yea, what Bruce said.  The days of dishwasherin' gear are Over.

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Re: Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet

2011-03-08 Thread Clark Martin

On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Ronald Sweet wrote:

 The power supply unit recently gave out on my Power Mac G4 Gigabit Ethernet 
 Dual 500 MHz. I have now replaced the PSU, but in doing so I seem to have 
 done more harm than good.
 
 When I turn the computer on with the power button, it plays a chime and after 
 about ten seconds the monitor (LG Flatron 17) lights up. A small rectangle 
 with text flashes briefly on the screen, but is gone before I can read it. 
 The icon of a folder then appears, with alternately a left-facing smiling 
 face and a question mark on it. After a couple of minutes this icon 
 eventually turns into a smiling Mac in a Mac Plus frame. The pointer also 
 appears on the screen, and can be moved about by means of the mouse.
 
 I suppose this means that the Mac is looking for a startup disk, and can't 
 find one. Why not? I suspect it's because of careless handling of the hard 
 drives when I was working in the case. Apple's Power Supply Replacement 
 Instructions (accessed from docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75312) 
 tell one to disconnect the power cables from any hard drives, and to do this 
 I had to remove my two drives because the power cable on the lower drive was 
 socketed in so tightly. I suspect that I accidentally zapped the drives with 
 static electricity. Or can someone think of a more probable cause?

Check all your drive cables.  Unplug and re-plug them.

Boot from a Installer disk, go to System Information and see if the drive is 
showing up.  Also check Disk Utilities to see if it's appearing there.
 
 What must I do if I want to get this faithful old workhorse back into working 
 order again, if in fact this is possible? Install another hard drive? If so, 
 should it be a Serial ATA drive? And does that mean buying a Serial ATA PCI 
 controller card?

Whether you want to go SATA depends on how big a drive you want and how much 
you want to pay for it.  Yes, a SATA drive would require a SATA controller.  
This model's IDE controller is limited 128Gb without a workaround.
 
 If so, which kinds? The prices suggest it would be better to abandon the old 
 machine.
 
 The old drives (now useless?) were a 120GB Western Digital IDE drive, 
 configured as master, and the original 40GB Ultra ATA/66 7200-rpm, configured 
 as slave. The operating system was Tiger 4.11.

Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway

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Re: spills wireless keyboard

2011-03-08 Thread Richard Gerome

   Try Fine Tuner Cleaner you can get this from Radio Shack!!! 



-Original Message-
From: michaelangelo smit1...@gmail.com
Sent: Mar 8, 2011 4:57 PM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: spills wireless keyboard

The answer to this question may be obvious to some but it's a mystery
to me: I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. If I accidentially dump my
coffee on the keyboad is there the same liklihood of shorting out or
otherwise damaging the computer as there is with a wired keyboard or
is this actually a good way to prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or
mouse? Great curiosity.

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