Re: [G3-5]Re: Good external hard drive?
On 10/26/11 5:24 PM, JoeTaxpayer at joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: I think Bruce feels n is far lower than you or I do. I understand the technologies are different, but the cost curve for dollars per GB looks a lot like those for semiconductor density/ Moore's Law. So will the ratio drop from 50 to 1 to 10 to one in ten years? Maybe. As you say, there are distinct uses now or SSD, I bought the 80GB drive for a laptop and the boot time is now super. And yes, the battery time is great as well. iPads 64GB is enough especially with iCloud and easy syncing. As absolute pricing comes down, and a 1TB SSD is $100 vs a 25TB HD, more may choose SSD. I've seen graphs of drive pricing, not for SSD. I'd be curious. I think the differences are: € Solid state: low data reliability, low energy consumption, high relative durability, medium $ per byte € Hard disks: high data reliability, high energy consumption, medium/low relative durability, low/very low $ per byte -- MaGioZal. http://youtube.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: USB 2.0 Card for MDD G4
On 10/27/11 12:12 PM, Bill Connelly at billycarmac...@verizon.net wrote: I would actually go with the cheaper one. They could be the same card, with a different name stamped on them. Although I like Sonnet Tech ... Rule of the thumb: any USB 2.0 card with a non-VIA chipset will work fine. The one I've got here in my Beige G3 has a NEC chipset. -- MaGioZal. http://formspring.me/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
There are lot of discussions on backup to external hard disk and not much in online storage. Yes, backup to external hard disk is easy, faster and simple. You can store as much data as you wish in your external disk. But, what if the external storage disk is corrupted/missing/? Or, what if you want to access your data from internal, where your system/external disk is not accessible? In this case, you can choose online backup service. You need not to bother about maintaining your backup data and storage. The backup service provider will take care of all worries. Instead of uploading all your system data, you can wisely choose what data should be backed up to the online backup service. If you want best of both worlds, you can configure different backup jobs to your external disk drive and replicate the important backup job data alone to the online backup service. -- Aravind, Vembu Technologies. On Nov 28, 2:35 pm, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@mac.com wrote: Hi Jane 2. I also have been looking at online backup sites, in addition to a physical back up. Carbonite looks good to me, but I am not familiar with the pros and cons of online. I would value your opinion. pro - if your mac and backup become unavailable (as might happen if your house burns down or is burgled), you can get your data back! - backups should be available 24/7, so if you're away from your mac and find you need some data, you can download it to a computer where you are right now - backups will be encrypted and held in secure premises - providing the hardware is the online provider's problem - if you have several macs/PCs to back up, even if they are on several sites, you may be able to buy a family deal. con - slow initial upload speed (It took about 30 days to upload 150 GB of data from my mac.) - need to have internet access to retrieve stuff - costs are ongoing (but hard disks don't last forever) - backups are encrypted - you need to remember your login details if you want to retrieve data and are away from the mac that's connected to your account Both local HDs and online should offer incremental backup, so that you can retrieve previous versions of files. To get around these limitations, I suggest doing both. - Time Machine hourly incremental backups (or CarbonCopyCloner daily incremental backups) to a local HD will provide immediate access to stuff at home, without any need to go online, remember passwords, etc. - Online backup is there as a last resort or for when you're away from home and find you don't have the files you need. I've had good experience with CrashPlan (good customer service, a family deal to cover up to 10 computers for $6 per month). They also offer a service where you can use their software to back up to another device on a another site (such as a friend's mac or PC) for free. Of course, this depends on having a friend who has drive space and will leave their mac switched on and online for you to backup to it. IIRC data would be encrypted so your friend couldn't access your data unless you give away your password.) I can't comment on how CrashPlan compares to other online backup providers. Of course, CrashPlan **claims** to be better - seehttp://www.crashplan.com/business/compare.html#stackup. You might want to try them and other providers' trial periods to see which suits you. I hope this helps and isn't patronising. Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes: Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's. They are great machines IMHO. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Converting video to HTML5
I have a familiar routine for creating relatively small .mov files in iMovie and then converting the to .swf (Video2SWF) for posting on a web site using Dreamweaver. I convert to .swf because they are smaller files easier to make play on click and more universally viewable However, now, as we all know flash has it's limitations. For example, my 105 and 95 year old in-laws cannot see these videos on their iPads. Can anyone recommend an app that converts .mov or mp4 files to HTML5? thank you Clifff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto: Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. As stated before, looking on Google or this List archives will get you plenty of info. I got a G5 2.7 DP recently. It seems having the Delphi Liquid Cooling System (LCS), but no leak so far. Very silent, quite fast, I think it's a very good machine, but you have to be lucky about the LCS. Or, get yourself an air cooled one. Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic, it's a much better built unit and easy to service if needed. is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has copper tubes it's a Panasonic. The top of the processor has the name. Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self or Brian at DTT will do it cheap. http://www.dttservice.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problem G5, can;t print
On Nov 30, 2011, at 4:11 PM, JohnV wrote: 2005 G5 PPC just reinstalled 10.4.11 and still have to boot in SAFE mode. Sysem can't see any audio devices, but it's working for most things. With this in mind, anyone know why having installed HP drivers for a C3100 printer, that the system can;t seem to find it? I install Gimp-Print for Mac OS X to take care of those issues, Also remove the printer from the preferences and let it search and reinstall. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: USB 2.0 Card for MDD G4
On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:34 AM, MaGioZal wrote: On 10/27/11 12:12 PM, Bill Connelly at billycarmac...@verizon.net wrote: I would actually go with the cheaper one. They could be the same card, with a different name stamped on them. Although I like Sonnet Tech ... I heard ... Rule of the thumb: any USB 2.0 card with a ... NEC chipset ... will work fine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
At 7:09 AM -0800 11/30/2011, Aravind T wrote: In this case, you can choose online backup service. You need not to bother about maintaining your backup data and storage. The backup service provider will take care of all worries. Instead of uploading all your system data, you can wisely choose what data should be backed up to the online backup service. As I pointed out in the other fork of this thread... You CANNOT expect the cloud service provider to take care of all worries. In fact, all the providers are quite careful in their Terms of Service to NOT accept any responsibility for your data in any way. They even consider their internal infrastructure to be confidential -- so you, the customer, have no way of knowing what breed of gerbils they use to keep their wheels running! Unless you know of some service that's different? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Converting video to HTML5
At 1:39 PM -0800 11/30/2011, Cliff Rediger wrote: I have a familiar routine for creating relatively small .mov files in iMovie and then converting the to .swf (Video2SWF) for posting on a web site using Dreamweaver. I convert to .swf because they are smaller files easier to make play on click and more universally viewable Universally viewable IFF the recipient has the Flash plug-in installed and it supports the vers of Flash you used. However, now, as we all know flash has it's limitations. For example, my 105 and 95 year old in-laws cannot see these videos on their iPads. Can anyone recommend an app that converts .mov or mp4 files to HTML5? HTML 5 is simply the latest revision of the Hypertext Markup Language. One does not convert video to HTML5. HTML5 supports a video element, that provides certain built-in codecs. The idea being that the end-user won't have to obtain a 3rd party codec - the browser takes care of it. ...Flash = video (various codecs) plus ActionScript. ActionScript = Adobe's proprietary munge of JavaScript. So the idea is to replace Flash with normal video and standard JavaScripts. Currently, the most popular codec for HTML5 Video is h.264, which, like DivX and Xvid, is simply a flavour of MPEG-4. Usually, the file extension .mp4 means h.264 content. (just to confuse the issue, keep in mind that .mov, .avi, .mpg, .mp4, .mkv, etc, designate container files only. Each can contain almost anything - multiple streams etc. What's important here are the codecs used on the data therein.) The basic engine, that just about everyone uses, that converts (transcodes) video and audio from one codec to another is FFmpeg, a free open-source project. What you need is an app that provides a GUI to ffmpeg and some presets. The presets are command options that tell ffmpeg what frame size, rate, compression quality, etc to use, to be compatible with your target audience. (ffmpeg is a callable library and a complicated command line tool). If you search on MacUpdate, I think you'll find a number of apps. FFmpegX is one of my fav - it's shareware, a very nice GUI with presets, and it contains pre-built versions of ffmpeg and some other handy tools (so you don't have to go thru the pain of building them yourself). HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Converting video to HTML5
At 11:16 AM -0500 12/1/2011, Dan wrote: HTML5 supports a video element, that provides certain built-in codecs. The idea being that the end-user won't have to obtain a 3rd party codec - the browser takes care of it. LOL Found this headache. Good read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_HTML5_and_Flash - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
Lo, At 15:56 01/12/2011, you wrote: At 7:09 AM -0800 11/30/2011, Aravind T wrote: In this case, you can choose online backup service. You need not to bother about maintaining your backup data and storage. The backup service provider will take care of all worries. Instead of uploading all your system data, you can wisely choose what data should be backed up to the online backup service. As I pointed out in the other fork of this thread... You CANNOT expect the cloud service provider to take care of all worries. In fact, all the providers are quite careful in their Terms of Service to NOT accept any responsibility for your data in any way. They even consider their internal infrastructure to be confidential -- so you, the customer, have no way of knowing what breed of gerbils they use to keep their wheels running! Unless you know of some service that's different? There has been some discuss in the UK magazine PCPro about the importance of knowing which country the servers of a cloud provider are present. Microsofts cloud service does not specify where the data resides and so there is concern that the American government can have access to your data under the patriot act Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
At 5:32 PM + 12/1/2011, Martin N wrote: As I pointed out in the other fork of this thread... You CANNOT expect the cloud service provider to take care of all worries. In fact, all the providers are quite careful in their Terms of Service to NOT accept any responsibility for your data in any way. They even consider their internal infrastructure to be confidential -- so you, the customer, have no way of knowing what breed of gerbils they use to keep their wheels running! Unless you know of some service that's different? here has been some discuss in the UK magazine PCPro about the importance of knowing which country the servers of a cloud provider are present. Microsofts cloud service does not specify where the data resides and so there is concern that the American government can have access to your data under the patriot act oOo. yea. That's a whole other ball of wax! Many services (eg: Dropbox, iCloud) are backed by the likes of Amazon's S3 cloud, and MS' cloud - which have data centers all over the world. Donno if you can specify where your data is bucketed. Have to look at that! :\ - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
Privacy / Convenience the balance has never been any different. Just cuz you think it's Remarkably Hip to be ABLE to post crap all over a globally-viewable grocery store bulletin board, does not change the fact that you are indeed knowingly posting your stuff all over a globally-viewable grocery store bulletin board. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
On Dec 1, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Dan wrote: Microsofts cloud service does not specify where the data resides and so there is concern that the American government can have access to your data under the patriot act oOo. yea. That's a whole other ball of wax! Many services (eg: Dropbox, iCloud) are backed by the likes of Amazon's S3 cloud, and MS' cloud - which have data centers all over the world. Donno if you can specify where your data is bucketed. Have to look at that! :\ I know for a fact that you can indeed negotiate this, if you're big enough to negotiate with them. This was a concern when the UA went to a cloud for their email systems. (not our pharmacy email we still run that, but the central systems) Also, Google has contracts with government agencies. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Hello! I've a strange issue when I use my Power Mac G5 (original PowerMac7,2 from 2003, Dual 2.0 GHz): http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html When I use Mac OS X 10.3.9 on it, everything is fine. When I use Mac OS X 10.4.11 on it, just like with Panther. But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase rpm so that they make a lot of nose (but not the max. rpm, just a higher one), then go down to normal. This just happend after approx. 30 minutes after switching it on and working on it. It was already heated up as it was running on 10.4.11 before. It would continue to do the fan rpm increase/decrease every 3-5 minutes or so. I was doing some installation of verious applications, so the processor must have done a lot of work, but not constantly at 100% like with a benchmark application. I've had this before, but with an older firmware. This behavior was gone – so I thought – with the firmware update, but I was only using 10.3.9 after the update… until now. So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just didn't find yet? Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard? Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)? Thanks in advance, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Il giorno 1-12-2011 21:41, Mac User #330250 ha scritto: But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase I was doing some installation of verious applications, so the processor must have done a lot of work I think this invalid your comparison. Try using 10.5 with regular usage or, better yet, doing nothing (have a coffee! Watch the clouds! ;-D ). If the revving up still happens, THEN we know there's something going on. Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard? I'm using it with Tiger, and fans just rev up every now and then, for 2-3 seconds (but mine is liquid cooled), no big deal. Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust Cleaning dust is a good thing to do... but dust wouldn't create a difference between OSes. But since opening the G5 is so easy, just vacuum it and see how it goes when clean. :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard Date:Thursday, 01. December 2011 From:Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Il giorno 1-12-2011 21:41, Mac User #330250 ha scritto: But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase I was doing some installation of verious applications, so the processor must have done a lot of work I think this invalid your comparison. Try using 10.5 with regular usage or, better yet, doing nothing (have a coffee! Watch the clouds! ;-D ). If the revving up still happens, THEN we know there's something going on. I'll check this. Thanks for the hint. Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard? I'm using it with Tiger, and fans just rev up every now and then, for 2-3 seconds (but mine is liquid cooled), no big deal. My other G5, a Late 2005 model (PowerMac11,2), also 2.0 GHz (Dual Core) didn't have this behaviour. Both models are air cooled. Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust Cleaning dust is a good thing to do... but dust wouldn't create a difference between OSes. But since opening the G5 is so easy, just vacuum it and see how it goes when clean. :-) I'll get to it as soon as I can. I don't have a vacuum can at hand. I'll get one. Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
On 2011/12/01 14:41, Dan so eloquently wrote: At 9:41 PM +0100 12/1/2011, Mac User #330250 wrote: Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)? Yea. Crud is one of the biggest causes of heat build-up. Just be sure you don't dislodge any cards or cables while you're vaccming cleaning If you're going to vacuum the case, it can't hurt to ground it. Static isn't usually a problem, but when it is it can be a big problem. Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Hello! I've a strange issue when I use my Power Mac G5 (original PowerMac7,2 from 2003, Dual 2.0 GHz): http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html When I use Mac OS X 10.3.9 on it, everything is fine. When I use Mac OS X 10.4.11 on it, just like with Panther. But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase rpm so that they make a lot of nose (but not the max. rpm, just a higher one), then go down to normal. This just happend after approx. 30 minutes after switching it on and working on it. It was already heated up as it was running on 10.4.11 before. It would continue to do the fan rpm increase/decrease every 3-5 minutes or so. I was doing some installation of verious applications, so the processor must have done a lot of work, but not constantly at 100% like with a benchmark application. I've had this before, but with an older firmware. This behavior was gone – so I thought – with the firmware update, but I was only using 10.3.9 after the update… until now. So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just didn't find yet? Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard? Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)? Thanks in advance, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 The G5 Power Mac will work harder and slower with10.5.8. I use 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 on my G5 Power Mac Dual 2.7.The removal of dust will make a difference. What CPU temps do you get between the systems? Also ASD 2.5.7 will check a lot more than the AHT on the start up disk. I would basically disassemble it and give a good cleaning with compressed air (not the little cans) I use a unit like this to do the job. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=data+vacoe=utf-8um=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=4249165964897137846sa=Xei=funXTvucJo2GiQLiuLCtCgved=0CI4BEPMCMAE John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just didn't find yet? Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard? Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)? Thanks in advance, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 It does not sound like strange behavior to me that a later OS release might use more resources and generate more heat, so the fans would kick on occasionally. It is just normal operation. Did you expect your fans to never speed up while using your G5? The usage does not have to be at 100% of CPU load to get the fans to speed up. As Valter wrote, it is never a bad idea to clean the inside of any of your computers. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 00:09 01/12/2011, you wrote: Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto: snip Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic, it's a much better built unit and easy to service if needed. is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has copper tubes it's a Panasonic. The top of the processor has the name. Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self or Brian at DTT will do it cheap. http://www.dttservice.com/ Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive than those on ebay when i was looking for my g4 mac mini. This is in the UK so YMMV. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 20:58 30/11/2011, you wrote: On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: snip This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? Could be, if there is high demand for the Panasonic with the known cooling issues. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
I have similar issue with my g5 dual 2.7. I just got received the computer last night and is my first g5 so figured it was normal fan operation. The fan speed goes up with something as simple as opening a web browser with nothing else running. I'm running the same leopard version. The insides look fairly clean. Sorry no solution for you. I got the same thing going on. Steve On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: Hello! I've a strange issue when I use my Power Mac G5 (original PowerMac7,2 from 2003, Dual 2.0 GHz): http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html When I use Mac OS X 10.3.9 on it, everything is fine. When I use Mac OS X 10.4.11 on it, just like with Panther. But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase rpm so that they make a lot of nose (but not the max. rpm, just a higher one), then go down to normal. This just happend after approx. 30 minutes after switching it on and working on it. It was already heated up as it was running on 10.4.11 before. It would continue to do the fan rpm increase/decrease every 3-5 minutes or so. I was doing some installation of verious applications, so the processor must have done a lot of work, but not constantly at 100% like with a benchmark application. I've had this before, but with an older firmware. This behavior was gone – so I thought – with the firmware update, but I was only using 10.3.9 after the update… until now. So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just didn't find yet? Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard? Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)? Thanks in advance, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Bad Ethernet Port?
My airport base station seems to have lost the connection at the (wan) port. The wireless connection with my computer shows up OK and the ethernet line from the cable modem to the computer ethernet port works fine. Apparently there is a loss of connection between the cable modem and the base station. Trieda new ethernet cable but to no avail. Anyone have any experience with a base station loosing a Port? Much obliged. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Ethernet Port?
On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:24 PM, John Callahan wrote: My airport base station seems to have lost the connection at the (wan) port. The wireless connection with my computer shows up OK and the ethernet line from the cable modem to the computer ethernet port works fine. Apparently there is a loss of connection between the cable modem and the base station. Trieda new ethernet cable but to no avail. Anyone have any experience with a base station loosing a Port? I think this is when the capacitors in the base station pop. These aren't normal looking cylindrical capacitors, they're rectangular I think. There are websites with photos of this problem and fix. The options are: 1)salvage the Airport card out of the base station and trash the dead base station. You can sell the power supply and/or Airport card to subsidize a new one. 2)get new capacitors and solder them in to fix the issue. 3)use another wired router to connect to your ISP via its WAN port and assign DHCP addresses; then have the Airport station connected to the wired router LAN-to-LAN port as a passive wireless station. This is a kludge way of utilizing the wireless of the broken Airport station by using an old wired router. Probably not the best solution unless you need wireless NOW and have an old wired router sitting around. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto: Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit. On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive If you're afraid about the LCS, you could go for an air cooled G5. (you can use MacTracker to know which is which) The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? I think the OP meant Quad core G5... :-) (it was the last G5 model, the Late 2005, with dual core processors: the top model had two dual core 2.5 GHz processors, hence the quad core) Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard Date:Thursday, 01. December 2011 From:David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com It does not sound like strange behavior to me that a later OS release might use more resources and generate more heat, so the fans would kick on occasionally. It is just normal operation. Did you expect your fans to never speed up while using your G5? The usage does not have to be at 100% of CPU load to get the fans to speed up. No, I didn't expect anything. I just noticed quite a difference between working on Panther/Tiger and then working on Leopard. But additional features on Leopard seem like a reasonable explanation. Just not a satisfying one, but all I have right now. The fans stayed at low rpm all the time while I used Panther. I was doing the same stuff I now did on Leopard: installing applications. Thanks. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
