Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS
Hello all, I agree with Bruce that we're using machines that are 'principally' outdated. Even if they do 99% of the tasks you ask them do just like a newer machine (albeit slower). I think mainly G5 owners have this problem, since most G5's (especially dual or dualcore) have loads of processing power and are still capable of surfing the web of 2011/2012. I think it's a shame that these machines are being made obsolete not by time (they would otherwise age like any other machine), but by their practical limits (Flash being a major factor if you ask me). Although, if you read the statistics hat Bruce posted, Apple has to move on -sometime-. Regardless of the cutoff point they'd have chosen (beit G4, G5 or first generation Intel), some users are going to suffer from it. Might as well make the group as small as possible.. Eelco. PS: I used a G4 iMac to post this. ;) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 14:17 02/12/2011, you wrote: On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip Thanks for the effort uploading those pictures. :) P4170004=Delphi since i cannot see any copper? P4170001=Delphi since it is labelled as such Yes those are Delphi's new heat sink 3= it has a fair amount of copper - is it a Panasonic? new heat sink= Panasonic with copper and a label. Those are pics of the same Panasonic LCS. I have not had a look inside a G5 so its difficult to make head or tail of water cooling. Very easy, just open the hood (side cover) and slide the G5 cover toward the front of the machine and take a look at the LSC you can't miss it. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS
On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Isn't it a shame about Adobe's non-support of so many PPC folks ... doesn't make any sense to me. I doubt there are enough PPC desktop/laptop users world wide to make Adobe think twice about abandoning support for them. But I agree that it is a shame. I suggest everyone just switch to using HTML5 for video content on websites and forget about flash. If you are hooked on flash games, well then I feel sorry for you. AmigaDave Running MorphOS2.7 MacOSX10.5.8 Ubuntu PPC 10.10 on Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, plus just 10.5.8 on Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac (waiting for MorphOS3.x support) and MorphOS3.0 beta MacOSX10.5.8 on both 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
Yes, you are correct. Many of the online backup services like DropBox, iCloud, StoreGrid are storing their backup data to Amazon S3 like cloud storage, because of versatility of cloud storage. As the storage provider (like S3) provides security high availability of data storage, the service providers can concentrate on the next important part of their backup service. The storage provider won't be so numb to care about the data stored in their data center. They will have multiple redundant copy of the data on multiple location. As we are developer of backup service (StoreGrid), we feel the online backup service to cloud is a good and safe practice. On Dec 1, 1:20 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:32 PM + 12/1/2011, Martin N wrote: As I pointed out in the other fork of this thread... You CANNOT expect the cloud service provider to take care of all worries. In fact, all the providers are quite careful in their Terms of Service to NOT accept any responsibility for your data in any way. They even consider their internal infrastructure to be confidential -- so you, the customer, have no way of knowing what breed of gerbils they use to keep their wheels running! Unless you know of some service that's different? here has been some discuss in the UK magazine PCPro about the importance of knowing which country the servers of a cloud provider are present. Microsofts cloud service does not specify where the data resides and so there is concern that the American government can have access to your data under the patriot act oOo. yea. That's a whole other ball of wax! Many services (eg: Dropbox, iCloud) are backed by the likes of Amazon's S3 cloud, and MS' cloud - which have data centers all over the world. Donno if you can specify where your data is bucketed. Have to look at that! :\ - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
I have an occasional problem similar to those mentioned above. My G52 2.3 GHz Dual Processor (early 2003 if I remember correctly) fan speeds sometimes make no sense at all. The ambient temperature is generally at around 70 degrees F. or a degree or two cooler in the winter (as now). I can be browsing the web, moving local files around, building C code, etc., and the fans generally run at a pretty low speed. Now and then, though,--sometimes when the system is just idling along--the fan speeds increase dramatically. Sometimes the system even *hangs up*, with the fans running at full speed, and I have to hit the power button. This does not happen often but it sure bugs me when it does. What happens if I leave my machine running while I'm away from home, and the fans go to full speed for several days? Do the fans bur out? Would the system overheat? Who knows? So I just never leave the system fully up when I'm away. (I leave it in Sleep mode so that the fans don't run at all.) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard Date:Wednesday, 07. December 2011 From:GLT gltack...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I have an occasional problem similar to those mentioned above. My G52 2.3 GHz Dual Processor (early 2003 if I remember correctly) fan speeds sometimes make no sense at all. The ambient temperature is generally at around 70 degrees F. or a degree or two cooler in the winter (as now). I can be browsing the web, moving local files around, building C code, etc., and the fans generally run at a pretty low speed. Now and then, though,--sometimes when the system is just idling along--the fan speeds increase dramatically. Sometimes the system even *hangs up*, with the fans running at full speed, and I have to hit the power button. This does not happen often but it sure bugs me when it does. What happens if I leave my machine running while I'm away from home, and the fans go to full speed for several days? Do the fans bur out? Would the system overheat? Who knows? So I just never leave the system fully up when I'm away. (I leave it in Sleep mode so that the fans don't run at all.) I normally put the system to sleep when I go. Since everything stops while only vital components, like the memory, are keeped on power, this should be a valid workaround. I had this only once, but I was away at that time. Automatically going to sleep was disabled. When I came back, fans were at 100%. But, on top of that, Mac OS X 10.5.8 had crashed with the famous shut down your computer hitting the power button graphics on the screen. Never happened again. I don't know what went wrong… I doubt thou that fans at 100% would do any harm, even for days. The processor and other components will just be cooler, the noise greater, and the fans will be worn out faster. But I agree this isn't something you generally want for a temperature management. BTW, which version of Mac OS X are you using? In any case, the fans behave strangely while working and it is, if nothing else, often just annoying when it happens. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 PCI Card
I don't know what I said that offended the gods, but I meant no harm. As I recall, I queried about an error message saying my IceCam2 was in use by another application. Not sure what was so offensive about that. Can you clarify? On Dec 4, 10:35 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:45 PM -0800 12/4/2011, jan wrote: I have a G4 PowerPC A G4 is a type of PowerPC processor. This doesn't tell us what model Mac you have, so any advice we give is pretty much shooting in the dark... You've told us the type of engine but nothing about the car. If you're not sure what Mac you have, start here:http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_processor/powerpc-g4-powerpc-7400-... and even with the powered hub i added some of my devices aren't working (iPhone, IceCam2) Explain please aren't working. Exactly what happens or doesn't happen? Isn't this because ultimately the 2.0 usb is plugged into a 1.1 port? USB 2 devices are fully backward compatible with USB 1.1. The only issues you should see are in speed. IOW, your phone will take longer to transfer data. A webcam will only respond with lower frame rates. 12 Mbps vs 480 Mbps (raw). Often, when there are USB problems, error messages are thrown into system.log. (Assumin OS X, but you haven't said what OS you're running!) The system.log may be viewed with Console.app. I purchased an iogear that was recommended not to cause sleep issues and am clueless as how to install it. Can anyone walk me through the procedure? Iogear makes good hardware. The card should have come with installation instructions. Perhaps Iogear's site has 'em too. How to install it depends on which Mac you have. In general, if you have a Power Mac G4, and you have a PCI bus slot available... Shutdown the machine then, while grounded: open it up, select the slot you want to use, remove the slot cover from the back of the machine associated with that slot, firmly install the card, and screw down the end flange, that contains the ports (which should line up where that cover was). ...There are quite a few sites that have detailed illustrated instructions. But again, it helps to know exactly what Mac you gots! HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Rolling Back to Panther OSX
Thanks for your suggestions. Dual booting had not occurred to me. That would probably be best I think. Here is the scenario: I have Tiger installed on my first HDD (60GB), This came preloaded and I have no discs. I now have the original G4 MDD install discs that revert me to Panther. Can i preserve what I have and partition and install Panther or will I have to start from scratch and need a copy of 10.4? Evan On Dec 5, 12:41 am, David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm running Leopard 10.5.8 on my Macs, but I also have Tiger 10.4.11 on another partition. When I do audio work, I use Tiger since my M- Audio 2496 PCI card only seems to function up to but not including Leopard. Maybe you could do a similar thing for your Panther application? But you would already need another partition for Panther ... maybe add another SATA drive? My Dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac arrived from the eBay seller with MacOSX10.2.1 and MacOS9.2.2 installed on the same partition, which I thought was strange, but it worked. I later installed 10.5.8 on a separate partition and MorphOS2.7 on yet another partition. When using the boot with the Option key depressed function to get to the boot selector screen, it would not show the MacOS9.2.2 option to boot from. Only the MacOSX10.2.1, MacOSX10.5.8 and MorphOS2.7 boot partitions would show up. To boot into MacOS9.2.2 I would have to choose it from the Startup Disk option in the System Preferences. Now I am in the process of setting up separate hard drives for each OS, instead of partitions on one drive. Since MorphOS2.7 is so small and efficient, it will easily fit on my 6gb hard drive pulled from a G3 iMac and have tons of room for files and applications. I will put MacOS9.2.2 on a 120gb drive and MacOSX 10.5.8 on my 160gb drive. I might even set up Ubuntu PPC 10.10 on yet another hard drive, since the MDD G4 PowerMac easily holds 4 hard drives, but that might be just a waste of space and extra heat producing hardware since I hardly ever use Linux. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Rolling Back to Panther OSX
If you plan to re-partition your existing hard drive, instead of adding a second hard drive to install another version of any OS on to, you need the Leopard 10.5 install DVD. The Panther and Tiger install CD/DVD's Disk Utility does not allow re-partitioning a hard drive without reformatting, or otherwise wiping out all data on the hard drive, but Leopard can resize partitions without destroying the data and can preserve your existing Tiger install. Hope this helps, AmigaDave Running MorphOS2.7 on Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac, 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's MacOSX10.5.8 on a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Avid_Fan wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. Dual booting had not occurred to me. That would probably be best I think. Here is the scenario: I have Tiger installed on my first HDD (60GB), This came preloaded and I have no discs. I now have the original G4 MDD install discs that revert me to Panther. Can i preserve what I have and partition and install Panther or will I have to start from scratch and need a copy of 10.4? Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
