Re: [G3-5]Re: Virtual Intel Mac for G multiprocessors

[MaGioZal]

Wow. ;-)
 




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On 7/20/12 11:13 AM, Douglas Mencken at  wrote:

>> Qemu? I've never heard about it... Is it free?
> 
> It is 100% Free Software. Free as in speech.
> 
>> Does it run on PPC Tiger? ;-)
> 
> I suppose yes. http://www.kju-app.org/ (I've never tried it myself,
> because I do prefer new software, so I went GNU/Linux way, I don't
> want to be stuck with Apple's abandoned OSes.)
> 
> Attached is a screenshot of QEmu on PowerPC GNU/Linux running Windows 7.


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Re: [G3-5]Re: Power mac g3 (B&W) memory upgrade

[MaGioZal]

On 7/20/12 3:25 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com at  wrote:

>> AFAIK, ECC memory won't work in your G3 (I think this is true for most
>> PowerMacs).
> 
> G3 Beige is PC66.
> 
> G3 B&W and gigabit E-nets are PC100.
> 
> DA and QS are PC133.

Just to remember: Beige G3s can accept PC100 and PC133 memories, and B&W G3s
PC133 too. They will run them at the speed of their motherboard clocks.
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube

[MaGioZal]

On 7/21/12 10:03 PM, Kris Tilford at  wrote:

> Old unsupported iBooks
> with a rudimentary 4MB Rage 128 card will boot 10.4.11 or the
> developer version of 10.5

Can this 10.5 developer version run on G3s?
 




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Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube

[Kris Tilford]

On Jul 22, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MaGioZal wrote:


Can this 10.5 developer version run on G3s?


The final developer version that runs on a G3 CPU is 9a303a.

The 9a303a version was a tiny update (via Software Update) from the  
released 9a303, and it's unlike the update servers still offer this  
update, so for all practical purposes 9a303 was the final G3 CPU  
version of Leopard.


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Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube

[MaGioZal]

On 7/22/12 6:02 AM, Kris Tilford at  wrote:

> On Jul 22, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MaGioZal wrote:
> 
>> Can this 10.5 developer version run on G3s?
> 
> The final developer version that runs on a G3 CPU is 9a303a.
> 
> The 9a303a version was a tiny update (via Software Update) from the
> released 9a303, and it's unlike the update servers still offer this
> update, so for all practical purposes 9a303 was the final G3 CPU
> version of Leopard.


Does this version can run Classic Environment? And would it be able to
install via XPostFacto?
 




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G5 up and running, what about browsers?

[arichic...@gmail.com]

Finally got my Dual 1.8 G5 online with an Airlink  101 Wireless N mini
USB Adapter [as suggested on this list], and it is surfing fine.
Couple issues. My Apple Studio flat screen display is only 1024 x 780.
I was using it with an old G4 and Opera 10.10, specifically for one
feature: the fit to width button.

Opera 10.63 seems unstable on the G5 running Leopard, and Opera 10.10
looks outdated. What was the last stable, reliable version of Opera
for PPC? Aurora is fast and stable, but, I am missing a third of every
webpage, having to constantly scroll over. Is there anyway to get
Aurora/Firefox to fit to screen width?

Compared to my G4 I am not having too much trouble playing video right
off the websites. I think my Flash is outdated because I can play
Youtube and Hulu with no difficulty. It was mentioned here though that
there is a way of always getting Quicktime to play video: what is that
utility again?

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Re: Eudora replacement

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote:

We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are
still looking for a true Eudora replacement:

Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora

-- Sent from my HP Pre3


What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, 
and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora.


I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit 
squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle.


Stephen

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Re: What's going on? I just got 967 emails from the group today.

[Geoff fleshman]

im hsving the same issue

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 PM, JohnV  wrote:

> not so, here.   maybe 15 msgs today
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2012, at 10:36 PM, smac0031 wrote:
>
>  The title says everything. My inbox is an incoherent mess,
>>
>> Mark Murphy
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Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube

[Chad Welsh]

My agp max with a mx2 32mb card works great, I just have to install with the 
rage128 it stays grey for a it but what I would do is boot the ago with the mx 
card to see if that is the problem if you can swap the ati cars to the cube to 
see even if you have to have the cube case off and a fan blowing on the heat 
sink to just see the errors. I can say the mx2 non 200 or 400 works great and 
faster in nix bench than the rage. The radeon agp Mac edition w/32mb ram boots 
but is very glitchy when using.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Mac User #330250  wrote:

> --  Original message  --
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, 
> specifically: the Cube
> Date:Saturday, 21. July 2012
> From:Charles Lenington 
> To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>> I don't remember, has anyone suggested pulling HD and using a different
>> mac to install?
> 
> Sadly, my boot attempt with a working installation from my Power Mac G4 AGP 
> Graphics was unsuccessful. The reason might be that my AGP Graphics has a ATI 
> Rage 128 graphics card whereas I use a nVidia GeForce2 MX400 in the Cube.
> 
> My guess is that this might be the reason why I see a “Mac OS X Server 
> starting” message and shortly after that a gray screen and that’s it for more 
> than 10 minutes. No HDD activity either. I figure it’s stalled by the 
> unsupported graphics card.
> 
> I won’t however switch graphics cards soon. Therefor this is how far I get – 
> for now.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
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Re: Eudora replacement

[benann]

We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are still in beta.Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need a true Eudora replacement.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar  wrote: On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote:
> We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are
> still looking for a true Eudora replacement:
>
> Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora
>
> -- Sent from my HP Pre3

What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, 
and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora.

I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit 
squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle.

Stephen

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Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the 
Cube
Date:Saturday, 21. July 2012
From:Chad Welsh 
To:  "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
> My agp max with a mx2 32mb card works great, I just have to install with
> the rage128 it stays grey for a it but what I would do is boot the ago
> with the mx card to see if that is the problem if you can swap the ati
> cars to the cube to see even if you have to have the cube case off and a
> fan blowing on the heat sink to just see the errors. I can say the mx2 non
> 200 or 400 works great and faster in nix bench than the rage. The radeon
> agp Mac edition w/32mb ram boots but is very glitchy when using.

I could do that – switch graphics cards with the Power Mac G4 AGP. But I 
won’t. At least not now.

Maybe later.

Anyway,
thanks for the reply.
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the 
Cube
Date:Sunday, 22. July 2012
From:Kris Tilford 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
> > The reason might be that my AGP Graphics has a ATI
> > Rage 128 graphics card whereas I use a nVidia GeForce2 MX400 in the
> > Cube.
> 
> I don't think the graphics card is the reason. Old unsupported iBooks
> with a rudimentary 4MB Rage 128 card will boot 10.4.11 or the
> developer version of 10.5 without any issues other than a line in the
> system log saying "unsupported graphics card".

Yes, I don’t have any problem at all with Mac OS X 10.0 and 10.0.4, 10.2 and 
10.2.8, 10.3 and 10.3.9, 10.4 and 10.4.2 and 10.4.11 as well as with 10.5.1 
and 10.5.8. All these Mac OS X versions work great with the nVidia GeForce2 
MX400 AGP graphics card, which is BTW from a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver (2001).

The problem is only when booting Mac OS X Server 1.2v3.

> > My guess is that this might be the reason why I see a “Mac OS X Server
> > starting” message and shortly after that a gray screen and that’s it
> > for more
> > than 10 minutes.
> 
> Use the verbose boot flag and see what the hang is, Cmd-v at startup
> for one-time verbose; or for every-boot verbose, boot into Open
> Firmware with Cmd-Opt-o-f keys at startup and type the command: setenv
> boot-args -v

I will eventually try that. But I don’t expect to do this anytime soon. I just 
swapped the HDDs back.

Thanks,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Eudora replacement

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote.

Stephen

On 7/22/12 5:13 AM, ben...@gmail.com wrote:

We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are
still in beta.

Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need
a true Eudora replacement.



-- Sent from my HP Pre3


On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar  wrote:

On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 > We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are
 > still looking for a true Eudora replacement:
 >
 > Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora
 >
 > -- Sent from my HP Pre3

What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client,
and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora.

I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit
squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle.

Stephen

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Re: Eudora replacement

[benann]

It's not a vote, but through FB we can have an idea of how many macusers -- Sent from my HP Pre3On 22 Jul 2012 16.03, Stephen E. Bodnar  wrote: Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote.

Stephen

On 7/22/12 5:13 AM, ben...@gmail.com wrote:
> We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are
> still in beta.
>
> Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need
> a true Eudora replacement.
>
>
>
> -- Sent from my HP Pre3
>
> 
> On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar  wrote:
>
> On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote:
>  > We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are
>  > still looking for a true Eudora replacement:
>  >
>  > Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora
>  >
>  > -- Sent from my HP Pre3
>
> What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client,
> and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora.
>
> I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit
> squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle.
>
> Stephen
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Re: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?

[James E. Therrault]

On Jul 22, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Koralatov wrote:

> I'm finally thinking about reviving my dead Key Lime iBook, which suffered
> a hard-disk failure some time ago.  Since it'll mostly be used for mucking
> around in Terminal, disk capacity isn't particularly important, but speed
> is -- I've become used to a C2D MBP, so I want to give it as much nip as
> possible.
> 
> I've been looking into relatively cheap PATA/IDE SSDs on eBay, but
> I'm not sure whether they'll be faster than a regular spinning disk.
> 
> I'm quite interested in this one: .
> 
> The specs are:
> 
>> Performance
>> Capacity(GB)  16 GB (4C)
>> Sustained Read88 MB/S
>> Sustained Write   35 MB/S
> 
> How does that stack up to a spinning disk over the iBook's EIDE interface?
> I've done some googling but can't seem to get a firm answer.


Since Apple traditionally installs crappy hard drives, just an upgrade to a 
7,200 rpm drive will almost be magical in improvement.

I had a G3 466 Mhz with maxed memory and an 80MB 7,200 rpm drive and effective 
disk speed was easily doubled.

The big problem is that the HD is about the last component you get to when 
disassembling the laptop...

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Re: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?

[Bruce Ryan]

> I've been looking into relatively cheap PATA/IDE SSDs on eBay, but
> I'm not sure whether they'll be faster than a regular spinning disk.
> I'm quite interested in this one: .
> 
> The specs are:
> 
>> Performance
>>Capacity(GB)  16 GB (4C)
>>Sustained Read88 MB/S
>>Sustained Write   35 MB/S

I put a 64GB Kingspec  SSD (dunno read-write specs) into my 400 MHZ Pismo 
(Powerbook G3 with Firewire). It reduced boot time and application loading time 
by between a quarter and a third, and is totally quiet, giving off no heat - so 
I’m happy to go away for a fortnight, leaving the Pismo as a webserver.

The SSD I bought didn’t have tapped holes for the screws that hold on the lugs 
to keep the drive in place - no real worry, just a little niggle.

Hope the surgery goes well!

Bruce

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Re: Eudora replacement

[Doug McNutt]

At 08:23 +0200 7/22/12,  wrote:
>We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still 
>looking for a true Eudora replacement:
>
>Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora

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Re: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?

[Richard Gerome]

 I put a 7200rpm HD in my 466mhz Clamshell and maxed the memory with a 
512mb which made it 576mb and it was a major improvement, it runs Tiger pretty 
good!!! I would go for the Solid State if I were you because I heard it runs 
faster then the 7200rpm?   The HD is pretty much the last thing to get to when 
taking it apart, get a repair manual for it before you do it, you can download 
one for free online just do a search for it. There are a few tricks you need to 
know when taking it apart or you could crack some parts trying without it, 
there is also a special tool you need to get for it too it's made of plastic... 




-Original Message-
>From: Koralatov 
>Sent: Jul 22, 2012 7:35 AM
>To: GX-Group 
>Subject: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?
>
>I'm finally thinking about reviving my dead Key Lime iBook, which suffered
>a hard-disk failure some time ago.  Since it'll mostly be used for mucking
>around in Terminal, disk capacity isn't particularly important, but speed
>is -- I've become used to a C2D MBP, so I want to give it as much nip as
>possible.
>
>I've been looking into relatively cheap PATA/IDE SSDs on eBay, but
>I'm not sure whether they'll be faster than a regular spinning disk.
>
>I'm quite interested in this one: .
>
>The specs are:
>
>> Performance
>>  Capacity(GB)  16 GB (4C)
>>  Sustained Read88 MB/S
>>  Sustained Write   35 MB/S
>
>How does that stack up to a spinning disk over the iBook's EIDE interface?
>I've done some googling but can't seem to get a firm answer.
>
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> Mike | 
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>'Key Lime' iBook G3 466 | G4 Cube 500
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Re: What's going on? I just got 967 emails from the group today.

[Dan]

At 7:36 PM -0700 7/20/2012, smac0031 wrote:

The title says everything.


Only 967?  Sounds like some got lost.  :-P

If you're using POP3, and you changed the settings in your account, 
either in your mail client or on Gmail or in the Google Group, it 
could be that the system decided to send you everything anew.


I haven't heard of any system-wide glitches from either Gmail or 
G.Groups, fwiw.  And I'm not seeing such a problem from any of the 
G.Groups I'm subscribed.



My inbox is an incoherent mess,


You should be able to clean it up pretty quickly by searching on the 
list name - eg "g3-5-list@"


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Re: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?

[Bruce Ryan]

> There are a few tricks you need to know when taking it apart or you could 
> crack some parts trying without it, there is also a special tool you need to 
> get for it too it's made of plastic... 
 Tool is called a ‘spudger’

Easily available online for £1.50 (UK) so should be just a few $ in the US

or you can go DIY
- http://freakoutitgeek.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/no-spudger-no-problem/
- 
http://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/903/What+alternative+iPod+opening+tools+have+worked+for+you

Bruce

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Re: G4 QS won't boot

[Dan]

At 12:30 PM -0700 7/16/2012, Miccon wrote:
My beloved G4 is cranky once again. On startup; no chimes, 20 secs 
later fans switch on, no display. Replaced battery, reset pmu, tried 
to reset nvram and zap pram. Com,option,o,f, brought up proper 
screen, however keyboard and mouse would not engage.


Disconnect all external peripherals except keyboard, mouse, and display.
Disconnect all internal peripherals except the boot drive.
Remove any other cards you've added.
Try booting.
If still no bong, then pull all the memory and see if that gets error beeps...
If still no bong, then look to the cpu and power supply.

...Remember to be properly grounded when doing things inside the machine.

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Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?

[Dan]

At 4:51 AM -0500 7/22/2012, arichic...@gmail.com wrote:

Dual 1.8 G5
Leopard

What was the last stable, reliable version of Opera for PPC?


Opera has never been stable or reliable on any of my ppc macs, so...


Compared to my G4 I am not having too much trouble playing video right
off the websites. I think my Flash is outdated because I can play
Youtube and Hulu with no difficulty. It was mentioned here though that
there is a way of always getting Quicktime to play video: what is that
utility again?


Not sure what you're asking here.

If the web site presents a flash video, then the browser will use the 
flash plug-in.  For all other video types, QuickTime is called, which 
subsequently runs the appropriate codec.


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Re: Eudora replacement

[tina]

Den Søndag, 22/7 2012, 04:03, Stephen E. Bodnar skrev:
> Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote.
>
> Stephen
>

me too

/tina

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Re: G5 up and running, what about browsers?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >Compared to my G4 I am not having too much trouble playing video right
> >off the websites. I think my Flash is outdated because I can play
> >Youtube and Hulu with no difficulty. It was mentioned here though that
> >there is a way of always getting Quicktime to play video: what is that
> >utility again?
> 
> Not sure what you're asking here.
> 
> If the web site presents a flash video, then the browser will use the 
> flash plug-in.  For all other video types, QuickTime is called, which 
> subsequently runs the appropriate codec.

He might be referring to this:

http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/QuickTimeEnabler

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Re: Eudora replacement

[Baldassare Guzzo]

Contrary to popular belief - not everyone has or even wants facebook. 


On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:07 PM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote:

> Den Søndag, 22/7 2012, 04:03, Stephen E. Bodnar skrev:
>> Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote.
>> 
>> Stephen
>> 
> 
> me too
> 
> /tina
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Re: 3gp

[Baldassare Guzzo]

Quicktime keeps telling me it can not play it.  Ill try VLC

On Jul 20, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote:

> Il giorno 20-07-2012 20:38, Baldassare Guzzo ha scritto:
> 
>> PM G4 933.  OS 10.5Is there any way to see a 3GP video on a mac?
> VLC should be able to play it.
> However, depending on the audio coding, it might not play the sound:
> http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/how_to_play_3gp_files.cfm
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