Re: VideoCards

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 2-11-2012 6:07, Buzzby ha scritto:

> I have two video cards.  ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and nVidia A74.  Which one is
> better?
I never heard about this A74 before. There's not much info on the Net
either.

For its time, I know the Radeon 9000 was a good card, so I'd go for that.
Besides, you can look at the memory on the cards: usually, the bigger the
card's memory, the better.

Lastly, before choosing the A74 - eventually - check if you can find the
appropriate drivers (that's in OS9; OSX should have them included).

> Can I swap the Radeon from the G4 MDD 1.42Ghz with the nVidia which was in the
> Quicksilver?
Since both Quicksilvers and MMDs had a 4x AGP slot, graphic cards should be
swappable.

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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[JoeTaxpayer]

Beautiful manual you linked to. Anyone have a similar document for the MDD 
G4 series? I'm accumulating non-functioning MDD G4s, and confirming they 
are dead PS would be a great first step.  

>
> This sounds like a dead power supply. I worked with a professor's QS here 
> that had the same symptoms. Here's how to test the power supply: 
>
>  
> you'll need a voltmeter 
>
>
>
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Re: Quicksilver "big drive" mystery solved

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Quicksilver "big drive" mystery solved
Date:Thursday, 08. November 2012
From:peterh...@cruzio.com
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> The "LBA48 Property"

This Open Firmware NVRAM property does not work with Mac OS 9.

Although large drives (i.e. LBA48) is supported only in Mac OS 9 respectively 
Mac OS X 10.2 onward, this property does only effect Mac OS X, specifically the 
KeyLargoATA.kext, which communicates directly with the KeyLargo ATA chip. This 
chip, wich is used in all Appler Power Mac G4 desktops with AGP does support 
LBA48 regardless of the Open Firmware property, but the Open Firmware needs to 
be LBA48-aware in order to boot from partitions (volumes) exceeding the first 
137 GB.

Result: on Macs with the KeyLargo ATA chips (every Power Mac G4 with AGP) 
LBA48 is always possible AFTER Mac OS X has started (10.2 and newer). On Power 
Macs newer and including the Quicksilver 2002 (Rev. B mainboard) the Open 
Firmware is also aware of the LBA48 capability and enables booting from a 
larger than/exceeding 137 GB first volume.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2544
http://www.sonnettech.com/support/techtips/temporaid133.html

Note: Mac OS 9 supports only partition sizes up to 200 GB (Apple) or 190 GB 
(Sonnet). (Which one is right?)

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Quicksilver "big drive" mystery solved

[peterhaas]

> A tip of the hat to the Mac OS 9 Lives website for getting to the bottom
> of a mystery.

A number of G4 motherboards, other than those mentioned, are internally
capable of LBA48 operation, and "persistently", too.

The "LBA48 Property" (which see, just Google it) may be persistently added
just about every QS 2001 and earlier G4 which I have personally had
experience with.

Whenever it (the drive's capability for >120 MB drives, which limit is
actually more like 131,072 MB, that is) has been detected it is necessary
to ship TWO packets of information to the drive to access the area greater
than can be defined by one packet.

The lower 128 MB is specified in the first packet; the remainder is
specified in the second packet.

The large drives are expecting TWO packets, but their firmware is designed
with a "legacy" mode which will only require ONE packet, hence why these
large and very large drives (up to 750 GB) work well as virtual 128 GB
drives.

Now, there are THREE versions of the LBA48 Property, depending upon
whether the the ATA bus controller is ATA-6, ATA-5 or ATA-4.

On most Macs, the hard drive bus is the faster of the two.

So, for a QS 2001 without the special motherboard revision, you would
apply the ATA-6 patch AND the ATA-5 patch, and that would give you full
large drive support on both buses. At least until the PRAM has been reset,
in which instance you must go back and add the LBA48 Property again.

But, the two buses (or only one, if you so desire) are indeed persistent
as the properties have actually been added to the PRAM of the motherboard.

For best compatibility, in case the LBA48 Property has been lost, it is
best to size your primary boot partition as 131,072 MB, or less. This
makes the boot partition accessible with a single packet, as described
above, and everything thereafter becomes accessible using dual packets, so
you can still recover from an inadvertent Cmd-Opt-P-R.

I have run some of my QS 2001 machines for years using this technique, or
Intech's "large drive" support extension.

The sheer beauty of the LBA48 property is it is already in the ROM, so you
may indeed boot from a very large partition.

With Intech's Hi-Cap extension, the capability of accessing very large
partitions is available only after OS X has been successfully booted,
therefor it is not usable for the boot partition itself.



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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:34 AM, Buzzby  wrote:

> I press power button on the front of the case.  Light goes on and then off.  
> Steady red light on the motherboard and I do notice the green light on the 
> hard drive.  No sound from speaker, no video on the monitor.  Video card is 
> good because I tested it in another Mac.

This sounds like a dead power supply. I worked with a professor's QS here that 
had the same symptoms. Here's how to test the power supply:

 you'll 
need a voltmeter



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Re: Memory G4

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 2, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Buzzby  wrote:

> I have another mac besides the Quicksilver.
> This is a better one.  PowerMac G4 MDD Dual 1.42Ghz 4 hard drives
> 
> My problem is I cannot get it to see more than 1gb of memory and online says 
> it can use up to 2gb.
> Right now I have 4 sticks of 256 PC2700 but when I install 512 sticks it only 
> sees one.

Only one stick or both sticks but only half the 512 ram? If it's the latter, 
you may have the wrong density DIMM. Data memory systems sez yes this takes 4 
512M DIMMS:



Try swapping them around in the slots or swapping in one at a time. Perhaps one 
of the DIMMS is bad?


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Re: Memory G4

[Cameron Kaiser]

> Are you running OS 9?  OS 9 can only access 1Gb, OS X can access the full
> amount. 

Actually, OS 9 can access up to 1.5GB. 

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Re: Memory G4

[Clark Martin]

Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose.

On Nov 2, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Buzzby  wrote:

> I have another mac besides the Quicksilver.
> This is a better one.  PowerMac G4 MDD Dual 1.42Ghz 4 hard drives
> 
> My problem is I cannot get it to see more than 1gb of memory and online says 
> it can use up to 2gb.
> Right now I have 4 sticks of 256 PC2700 but when I install 512 sticks it only 
> sees one.
> Is there a way to upgrade more than 1GB or hould I stick to that?

Are you running OS 9?  OS 9 can only access 1Gb, OS X can access the full 
amount. 

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Quicksilver "big drive" mystery solved

[Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com]

 

A tip of the hat to the Mac OS 9 Lives website for getting to the bottom of 
a mystery. The original Quicksilver Power Mac G4 from 2001 is not listed by 
Apple as a model that supports "big" hard drives (over 128 GB), yet many 
readers have reported that it works. They've discovered that it's a matter 
of which logic board is installed - 820-1276-A does not support large 
drives, but 820-1342-B does. We're in the process of updating our 2001 
Quicksilver profile to include this helpful tidbit. Lots more at 
http://macos9lives.com/mac%20os%209%20lives_003.htm

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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[Eleni]

Do you hear the BONG when it starts up?

It could be one of the following:

1. the little battery is dead
2. The HD is dead

Which Quicksilver you have?  
Quicksilvers are very nice machines, especially the Dual Processor ones, you 
can install Mac OS X 10.5 and still use them!

See here my Quicksilver 800MHz DP with 3 screens, running Mac OS X 10.5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTuh3KZeUzc&feature=plcp

Have a look at my channel, you will see what I mean:

http://www.youtube.com/user/adddictedtomacintosh/videos?view=0

How to install Mac OS X 10.5 on 450MHz DP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJq66FUYjo&feature=plcp

Good luck!

On Nov 2, 2012, at 5:33 AM, Buzzby  wrote:

I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or two.  I 
went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all.

Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it won't work? 
 As far as I remember it did work before.


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Re: PRAM BATTERIES PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[ROBERT H. BAUCOM]

When All Electronics (http://allelectronics.com/   ) ran out of them,  
I quit buying them 20 at a pop. Every since I used   OWC (other World  
Computing) is as my Mac Battery source.

RHB

On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:


After just sitting for a year, my first guess would be the PRAM  
battery,

but there could be a number of other things.


Nominally 3.6 volts, these usually measure 3.68 volts when brand-new.

Although many Macs will run properly when the PRAM battery voltage has
reduced to 3.0 volts, these batteries should be considered "dead" when  
the

voltage has reduced to 3.2 volts.

These 1/2 AA-sized batteries are stocked almost everywhere. Radio Shack
has them if nobody else does.

These are made by many battery manufacturers all over the World.

My own "fave" is the Maxell (Japan), but Tadiran (Israel) and SAFT
(France) are good, too.


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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[Buzzby]

I press power button on the front of the case.  Light goes on and then off. 
 Steady red light on the motherboard and I do notice the green light on the 
hard drive.  No sound from speaker, no video on the monitor.  Video card is 
good because I tested it in another Mac.

On Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03:03 PM UTC-4, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu 
wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Buzzby > 
> wrote: 
>
> > I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or 
> two.  I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all. 
>
> "Turns on" meaning what? Gray video screen? Just the power light on the 
> case? Are the fans running? Can you hear the hard drive running? 
>
> After just sitting for a year, my first guess would be the PRAM battery, 
> but there could be a number of other things. 
>
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Memory G4

[Buzzby]

I have another mac besides the Quicksilver.
This is a better one.  PowerMac G4 MDD Dual 1.42Ghz 4 hard drives

My problem is I cannot get it to see more than 1gb of memory and online 
says it can use up to 2gb.
Right now I have 4 sticks of 256 PC2700 but when I install 512 sticks it 
only sees one.
Is there a way to upgrade more than 1GB or hould I stick to that?

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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[Buzzby]

So far everything I have tried fails.  I even as a test swapped out the 
video cards witth the one from my workin Mac G4 MDD and it still powers up 
with red light on the motherboard but won't do anything else.


On Friday, November 2, 2012 1:58:02 AM UTC-4, CoolKat wrote:
>
>
>  The pram battery inside is might dead? Take out all the memory, PCI 
> cards and anything else that you can pull out and clean them off (the pins 
> especially)  and reseat them carefully? Boot up while holding down the: 
> ctrl/command (key with the apple on it)/ "P" and "R" This will reset the 
> pram. 
>
>  If I missed anything else, I hope others can add their input too 
> because I'm sure there is more to check? I really don't think it major if 
> it was running before you let it sit? It could have been somewhere where 
> there was maybe a lot of humidity, dust or dirt?  
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Buzzby 
> Sent: Nov 1, 2012 11:33 PM 
> To: g3-5...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 
>
>
>
> I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or 
> two. I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all.
> Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it won't 
> work? As far as I remember it did work before.
>
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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[Charles Lenington]

On 11/1/12 22:33 PM, Buzzby wrote:

I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or
two.  I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all.

Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it
won't work?  As far as I remember it did work before.

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Have you tried a new pram battery?  3.6 volt 1/2 AA

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Long video cable question

[vern9]

Hi there,


I am looking to move an Aluminum Apple Cinema Display 21" at least 15 -

20 feet away from my G5. The further away the better. However I would

like to keep the usb and firewire port functioning on the display. Does

anyone have any insights in what I might need and where I might find such a 
cable?

Thanks for any help in advance!

Claudia

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Re: screen saver photos

[JohnV]

On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Dan wrote:


At 2:39 PM -0400 09/25/2012, JohnV wrote:

G5 1.8 dual running 10.4.11 on 2 monitors

I have a folder of pictures that cycle through the screensaver  
slideshow thing.
Why do some of them still show up sideways (which is indeed the  
way they were shot)? Yes, I've gone through and  rotated those of   
them rightside-up, and indeed those DO show up correctly-oriented  
when viewed in the FINDER, or GRAPHIC CONVERTOR and PREVIEW... but  
not in the screensaver slideshow.


Go into the screen saver system preferences, select a different  
folder then re-select your folder as the slideshow.  I've noticed  
that once it generates the cached image, it prefers it and seems to  
not re-check the original.


Revisiting this, just went back through the folder, took all of the  
vertical-shot pics and pulled them into PREVIEW, rotated them this  
way and that and re-saved them upright.  Went to the SYS PREFS SCREEN  
SAVER app and assigned a wholly different folder and closed it. Re- 
opened it and assigned it back to the folder I want.


Vertical pics still all show up sideways  when the screensaver runs  
the slideshow. Any other ideas?


John V



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VideoCards

[Buzzby]

I have two video cards.  ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and nVidia A74.  Which one is 
better?
Can I swap the Radeon from the G4 MDD 1.42Ghz with the nVidia which was in the 
Quicksilver?
I am not sure specs in the Quicksilver except 1.5GB PC133 memory.  CPU unknown. 
 Mac unable to boot.

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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[No No]

Hello David:

You might try unconnecting/reconnecting the hard drive cables at all  
connections, same with the RAM and the video card.  Do you hear drive  
activity?  Is the heatsink on good?  Try resetting the PRAM, or just  
pull the battery and reset the PRAM (leave the battery out).  Let the  
G4 sit for an  hour or two and try starting.  If that doesn't work,  
disconnect the power plug for 10 seconds, replug and restart (power  
supply problem).  Check hard disk on known good system.


Leave PRAM battery out and system completely removed from all power  
for 4 hours, then try again.


That's all for now.  Good luck.

Bob

On Nov 2, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

Start with the PRAM battery. They tend to bleed out. Should read  
3.6v with

a multimeter.

--Kyle

On 11/2/12 2:45 PM, "Richard Gerome"   
wrote:






   If you have another G4 Tower try swapping everything (you swapped
the video card, maybe try the hard drive next?) one at a time till it
boots up then you will know what's wrong?




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From: Buzzby
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Subject: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver





I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a  
year or
two.  I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is  
all.
Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it  
won't

work?  As far as I remember it did work before.

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Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate  
where

we are going...

³Choose love and peace above all other options.  Commit to the goal  
of
unconditional love and compassion for all life, in all its  
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and surrender all judgment to God.

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Re: Test video card on G4 Power Mac running 10.3.9

[No No]

Hello All:

I know this is a little late, but old cards can always be kept around  
as backup.  Nothing lasts forever.


My next point is, does the video card fit your needs?  I bought the  
best video card available for my gaming PC because I play just  
released 3D shooters on it.  On my G5, I use a Radeon 9600.  It  
handles Return to Castle Wolfenstein, email, Youtube and 1080i+720p  
video just fine while using the least amount of power of all the  
Radeons that I have (9800s, HD3850, etc.).  To sum up:  power where it  
is needed, efficiency where power is _not_ needed.


On Oct 20, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


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Subject: Re: Test video card on G4 Power Mac running 10.3.9
Date:Saturday, 20. October 2012
From:Ángel Villodre López 
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2012/10/19 IndyWest 

Is there any application or test that I can run on my video card to
determine if I should just toss the Geforce 2MX in the trash?


Try a video game, for instance or even glxgears


You could try a graphics related benchmark application, too.
XBench may be such an application: http://xbench.com/
It should support Panther (10.3.x) as it’s quite old…

OpenGL Extensions Viewer is another application that allows some  
OpenGL

graphics testing: http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/
But you will need to find an older version that runs on Panther  
(10.3.x)…


To be honest, I also recommend to run a game or anything that  
utilises the

graphics card a lot.

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[David]

You did not say what symptoms you are seeing?  Does the monitor show the folder 
with the question mark?

It could be that your hard drive has died and everything else is still working 
fine.  Many people are still using their G4 PowerMac's today.

David
aka AmigaDave
running MorphOS3.1 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, 1.58GHz G4 PowerMac (overclocked), & 
1.67GHz G4 PowerBook

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  Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:33 PM
  Subject: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver


  I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or two.  
I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all.


  Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it won't 
work?  As far as I remember it did work before.

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