In the Market for a G5, maybe ...
A friend suggested I upgrade to a G5 tower, after my G4 QS 2002's cpu went bad ... I'm doing mostly involved photography processing in the HDR area now ... so speed is a good thing. All my applications are 32bit style coding ... will I run into any problems with G5s in general? What about the cooling systems ... didn't some of them have problems with the liquid cooling idea? I have a number of PCI cards that are still good ... what ideas do you have here? I may just wait for a QS Dual 1GHz cpu to appear, and consider going with an MDD for increase in speed in the future. Suggestions on which ones in the G5 family (and others) to consider are welcomed. Not too fat in the wallet ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: In the Market for a G5, maybe ...
> I'm doing mostly involved photography processing in the HDR area > now ... so speed is a good thing. > > All my applications are 32bit style coding ... will I run into any > problems with G5s in general? No. I even compile TenFourFox in 32-bit mode for G5s because it has Carbon dependencies. > What about the cooling systems ... didn't some of them have problems > with the liquid cooling idea? > > I have a number of PCI cards that are still good ... what ideas do you > have here? I may just wait for a QS Dual 1GHz cpu to appear, and > consider going with an MDD for increase in speed in the future. > > Suggestions on which ones in the G5 family (and others) to consider > are welcomed. Not too fat in the wallet ... G5s as a whole can be cantankerous and difficult to repair, but well treated they can last for a long time. It helps to buy the right one, though. Personally, I believe the only two worth owning are the dual 2.3, because it is the fastest air-cooled G5, or the quad 2.5, because it is the fastest Power Mac ever and its liquid cooling system is more reliable than previous machines. G5s slower than this are not significantly faster than the G4s they replaced and have more headaches, and the other G5s have various higher than average component failure rates (usually power supply or LCS). In your case, you may need to consider the dual 2.7 because it will still accept your PCI cards; the quad 2.5 will only handle PCIe. However, the dual 2.7 is actually not as fast as the quad (not only cores, but bigger caches), and it has a higher LCS failure rate. I own a quad, and it is a solid machine (and has been for over six years), but it is power hungry and can be noisy. Still, it runs my Power Mac apps like nothing else, and my legacy hardware was all external, so the PCIe slots are now filled with extension cards instead. And interestingly my MDD has failed more times than the G5 (the MDD has blown through two power supplies in its lifetime, while the G5 has never needed any significant maintenance other than cleaning). But the MDD will be cheaper to buy, a bit quieter and less expensive to run and maintain, so given that you have a need to keep your old PCI cards, an MDD may actually be a better option for you if you don't need the "fastest Mac ever." -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- FORTUNE: Today is an excellent day to have a totally rotten day. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel – CPU Upgrades
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Throwing in the Towel Date:Sunday, 16. December 2012 From:Alex Sciorino To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > I just checked my favourite online auction site and I don't see any dual > 1ghz. The best I can find is single 867. Have you considered a Sonnet > upgrade? You can get the single core 1ghz for about $40. There are single core upgrades up to 1.8 GHz around. Up to 1.6 GHz it may be bought at a reasonable price… Search for Sonnet, OWC (Other World Computing), Giga Designs, Newer Technology, PowerLogix, XLR8 and FastMac. http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g4upgrades.html It doesn’t always have to be Sonnet. I have an OWC upgrade at home, a Mercury Xtreme G4 1.4 GHz Processor Upgrade (OWCME41400L2D), like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OWC-Mercury-Xtreme-1-4GHz-Apple-G4-Desktop-Upgrade-/261133816357 (that’s not my eBay auction, I just want to make the point that it may still be available) IMO Dual processor upgrade cards are in no way worth the current market prices, like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Technologies-PowerPC-G4-1-8-GHz-SG4D-1800L-Processor-/150920002639 BUT, original Dual-1 GHz processor modules are also available, like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Mac-G4-1-0GHz-Dual-Processor-Module-661-2730-820-1310-A-3967-/160940346106 Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel â CPU Upgrades
Just remember that the fastest G4 which was produced by IBM and/or Moto (Freescale) was 1.42 GHz, and the so-called 1.5 GHz (to accommodate the 100 MHz bus case), and 1.6 GHz, ..., 2.0 GHz G4s are really 1.42 GHz chips which have been purchased in bulk and then "die sorted" by the manufacturer, usually with an extensive "burn in" process to confirm operations (usually Photoshop, etcetera) with a higher-than-specification clock speed. IMO, Giga-Designs are the best of the "supercharged" dual core replacements as they figured out how to layout a dual core processor card which could be used in BOTH 100 MHz bus AND 133 MHz bus models (the sockets are actually the same, but the orientation is quite different. > There are single core upgrades up to 1.8 GHz around. Up to 1.6 GHz it may > be > bought at a reasonable price… > > Search for Sonnet, OWC (Other World Computing), Giga Designs, Newer > Technology, PowerLogix, XLR8 and FastMac. > > http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g4upgrades.html > > It doesn’t always have to be Sonnet. I have an OWC upgrade at home, a > Mercury > Xtreme G4 1.4 GHz Processor Upgrade (OWCME41400L2D), like this: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
On Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:00:37 PM UTC-6, pdimage wrote: > > On 15/12/2012 16:32, "Richard Gerome" > > wrote: > > > So this left me > > wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can > tell me > > why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm > going > > to download Leopard on it for them... > > It's because the 9800 pro was just about the fastest 4x agp card you > could get for a G4 - and the easiest to convert from pc to mac with little > or no problems and get all the ports working fully. > I think the ATI Fire GL X3 256mb AGP was faster. It may not be easier to convert. However, if you get the HP version, ATI Fire GL X3. then reports are that both DVI ports work fully as expected. There are problems with getting both ports working if one gets a regular X800 XT. The ATI Fire GL X3 is available on Ebay for less than $50. Back in April they were going for as low as $25 each. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: In the Market for a G5, maybe ...
On Dec 17, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > >> What about the cooling systems ... didn't some of them have problems >> with the liquid cooling idea? >> >> I have a number of PCI cards that are still good ... what ideas do you >> have here? I may just wait for a QS Dual 1GHz cpu to appear, and >> consider going with an MDD for increase in speed in the future. >> >> Suggestions on which ones in the G5 family (and others) to consider >> are welcomed. Not too fat in the wallet ... > > G5s as a whole can be cantankerous and difficult to repair, but well treated > they can last for a long time. It helps to buy the right one, though. > > > > In your case, you may need to consider the dual 2.7 because it will still > accept your PCI cards; the quad 2.5 will only handle PCIe. However, the dual > 2.7 is actually not as fast as the quad (not only cores, but bigger caches), > and it has a higher LCS failure rate. My Dual 2.7 is a very reliable machine since I installed a Panasonic LCS three years ago, I had to repair the stock Delphi twice. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Throwing in the Towel
The ATI FireGL X3 is a great card for the G5 PowerMac, but I am not so sure it is a good choice for the G4. Also, only certain models can be converted for use in a Mac, and I can guarantee you that 80%, or more of those cheap $25 to $50 FireGL X3's for sale on eBay are NOT the ones that can be successfully converted. I got lucky, but then had extensive discussions with an expert who converted mine and sells them on his website, so buyer beware! That cheap FireGL X3 you get from eBay might not be able to be converted for use in any Mac, unless you are lucky. I think the ATI Fire GL X3 256mb AGP was faster. It may not be easier to convert. However, if you get the HP version, ATI Fire GL X3. then reports are that both DVI ports work fully as expected. There are problems with getting both ports working if one gets a regular X800 XT. The ATI Fire GL X3 is available on Ebay for less than $50. Back in April they were going for as low as $25 each. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Jpeg thumbnails auto creation
Hi all, Does anyone know what might create thumbnails automatically on digital camera jpegs when the card is opened in OS 10.4.11 Tiger? Our Quicksilver G4 (2002) has been automatically creating jpeg thumbnails in the camera card for about a year until we had the startup disk crash. After creating a new startup disk from an outdated clone this no longer happens. I guess I have installed something last year that gave this useful ability but I cannot think what it may be! I wondered if it was iPhoto but re-installing iLife made no difference. Any help would be appreciated. TIA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Jpeg thumbnails auto creation
Having spent a little time searching the web I realise I mean Previews not Thumbnails, IE the normal Jpeg logo on the photo should change to show a preview of the photo. Sorry for the mislead. From: geraldcornish Date: 17 Dec 2012 21:05:16 GMT To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Jpeg thumbnails auto creation Hi all, Does anyone know what might create thumbnails automatically on digital camera jpegs when the card is opened in OS 10.4.11 Tiger? Our Quicksilver G4 (2002) has been automatically creating jpeg thumbnails in the camera card for about a year until we had the startup disk crash. After creating a new startup disk from an outdated clone this no longer happens. I guess I have installed something last year that gave this useful ability but I cannot think what it may be! I wondered if it was iPhoto but re-installing iLife made no difference. Any help would be appreciated. TIA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Jpeg thumbnails auto creation
Title: Re: Jpeg thumbnails auto creation It has been a while, but I vaguely recall an Applescript that came with a version of GraphicConverter which did that. Guy On 12/17/12, geraldcornish wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know what might create thumbnails automatically on digital camera jpegs when the card is opened in OS 10.4.11 Tiger? Our Quicksilver G4 (2002) has been automatically creating jpeg thumbnails in the camera card for about a year until we had the startup disk crash. After creating a new startup disk from an outdated clone this no longer happens. I guess I have installed something last year that gave this useful ability but I cannot think what it may be! I wondered if it was iPhoto but re-installing iLife made no difference. Any help would be appreciated. TIA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: In the Market for a G5, maybe ...
Il giorno 17/12/12 13:24, Bill Connelly ha scritto: > A friend suggested I upgrade to a G5 tower, after my G4 QS 2002's cpu > went bad ... > Suggestions on which ones in the G5 family (and others) to consider > are welcomed. Not too fat in the wallet ... I'm currently using a G5 DP 2.7 GHz, I got it used 1,5 years ago. Great machine: fast, very silent (liquid cooled), easy to access its innards, very stable (I'm using it with OSX Tiger). Its only drawback, so far, it's power hungry: it draws from 160 Watts (idle) to over 300 Watts! It's way faster than the G4 Digital Audio (originally 667 MHz, upgraded with a 1.4 GHz CPU) that I had before. A big step forward. If your QS felt slow, I suggest going for a G5 (2.0 GHz or above): you won't need to change your software (no OS9 boot, though!), but it will be snappier. Depending on where you are, I think G5s start from 100-150$ and up. Definitely worth a check. Regarding realiability, I read G5s with Delphi liquid cooling are troublesome, but mine has a Delphi one, and so far - knock on wood! - it runs flawlessly. I think it's a matter of luck. If you don't feel like gambling ;-) better go with an air-cooled one (the 2.3 GHz DP seems the best choice). Here you can find info and specs about all the G5 models: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/index-powermac-g5.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
