Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
I'm in the same boat as the OP, still using an eMac as my main computer, though I do have an intel macbook available for when I desperately need it. I've been looking at used Mac Pros, as I am a bit tired of the non-upgradeability and repairability of the all-in-one designs. Mac Pros are extremely rare on the local craigslist, and even the 1.1 versions generally want close to 1000 bucks. Is a 1.1 Mac Pro a viable choice, or is it too limiting? I'd welcome any advice on what to look for in a Mac Pro, processors, video options, etc, as I have no experience with this class of machine. And is it better to buy from one of the used Mac dealers, or is craigslist or ebay the way to go? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Bob --- On Monday, October 7, 2013, at 06:49 AM, g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote: From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Heck, I'd even look at Mac Pros, here's a good candidate for $400 : http://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-A1186-MAC-PRO-DESKTOP-MA970LL-A-2008- 4G-MEMORY-XEON-2-8GHZ-QUAD-CORE-320G-/ 171142382438?pt=Apple_Desktopshash=item27d8e18366 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
Bob, The MacPro 1,1 is stuck at OS 10.6.8. I'd try for something with more upgrade future. The new MacPros haven't hit the market place yet and folks might be getting worried about the new design shift to less internal expandability. Until then, the older MacPros might be at a premium. Dale On Oct 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Bob Johnson wrote: I'm in the same boat as the OP, still using an eMac as my main computer, though I do have an intel macbook available for when I desperately need it. I've been looking at used Mac Pros, as I am a bit tired of the non-upgradeability and repairability of the all-in-one designs. Mac Pros are extremely rare on the local craigslist, and even the 1.1 versions generally want close to 1000 bucks. Is a 1.1 Mac Pro a viable choice, or is it too limiting? I'd welcome any advice on what to look for in a Mac Pro, processors, video options, etc, as I have no experience with this class of machine. And is it better to buy from one of the used Mac dealers, or is craigslist or ebay the way to go? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Bob --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: What Mac to buy - and from where?
Actually the MacPro 1,1 is stuck at 10.7.5 at least mine is, but it sounds like you want something that can run Snow Leopard since you have some PPC programs Kurt A. Swigart When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke -Original Message- From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Hoffman Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 9:18 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What Mac to buy - and from where? Bob, The MacPro 1,1 is stuck at OS 10.6.8. I'd try for something with more upgrade future. The new MacPros haven't hit the market place yet and folks might be getting worried about the new design shift to less internal expandability. Until then, the older MacPros might be at a premium. Dale On Oct 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Bob Johnson wrote: I'm in the same boat as the OP, still using an eMac as my main computer, though I do have an intel macbook available for when I desperately need it. I've been looking at used Mac Pros, as I am a bit tired of the non-upgradeability and repairability of the all-in-one designs. Mac Pros are extremely rare on the local craigslist, and even the 1.1 versions generally want close to 1000 bucks. Is a 1.1 Mac Pro a viable choice, or is it too limiting? I'd welcome any advice on what to look for in a Mac Pro, processors, video options, etc, as I have no experience with this class of machine. And is it better to buy from one of the used Mac dealers, or is craigslist or ebay the way to go? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Bob --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. This e-mail may contain Sprint proprietary information intended for the sole use of the recipient(s). Any use by others is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
1,1s can run Lion; mine does. TBH, a 1,1 is probably the best price/performance deal. Mine came with dual-dual Xeons at 2.66, which gives about 6k Geekbench with a platter hard drive, and cost $350. I upgraded to dual-quad Xeons (also at 2.66) which brought me to 10k, and the CPUs were $50 each. Illirik Smirnov Head of Congressional Debate -- Enloe High School Debate Team Board Member, Enloe Gay/Straight Alliance Quiz Bowl A Team On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote: Bob, The MacPro 1,1 is stuck at OS 10.6.8. I'd try for something with more upgrade future. The new MacPros haven't hit the market place yet and folks might be getting worried about the new design shift to less internal expandability. Until then, the older MacPros might be at a premium. Dale On Oct 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Bob Johnson wrote: I'm in the same boat as the OP, still using an eMac as my main computer, though I do have an intel macbook available for when I desperately need it. I've been looking at used Mac Pros, as I am a bit tired of the non-upgradeability and repairability of the all-in-one designs. Mac Pros are extremely rare on the local craigslist, and even the 1.1 versions generally want close to 1000 bucks. Is a 1.1 Mac Pro a viable choice, or is it too limiting? I'd welcome any advice on what to look for in a Mac Pro, processors, video options, etc, as I have no experience with this class of machine. And is it better to buy from one of the used Mac dealers, or is craigslist or ebay the way to go? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Bob --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote: The MacPro 1,1 is stuck at OS 10.6.8. No, with no tweaks it stops at 10.7.5. With small tweaks, you're still current. My Mac Pro 1,1 is running 10.8.5 now, I intend to install 10.9 later tonight hopefully. There are two methods of tweaking an unsupported Mac: 1) Using MLPostFactor to install support software hybrid kernel See:http://www.osxhackers.com/index.html 2) Using Chameleon bootloader to fake boot 64-bit EFI and run clean software kernel. See:http://www.jabbawok.net/?p=47 You'd likely want a better graphics card for either method. It would also be good to upgrade the firmware to Mac Pro 2,1 and install quad-core CPUs so that your Mac Pro 1,1 is effectively an 8-core Mac Pro 2,1. The MLPostFactor method is the old way for older iMacs MacBooks that have no hardware upgrades available. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: The MLPostFactor method is the old way for older iMacs MacBooks that have no hardware upgrades available. Oops! I mean to say is the ONLY way for older iMacs MacBooks . -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
As Bob said about the repairability of the later iMacs … I just looked on the net, at all the two year old iMacs that were being sold for Parts and decided I didn't want any computer, that didn't have a fan. Thats what made me scrape my nickels together and buy a Mac Pro Tower and … I love it … But had to buy Nisus Writer Pro . plus the manual, dictionary and thesaurus … as I think Pages Sucks. Interesting and astute thoughts by Dale, for the reasons that the prices for Used Pro Towers are going up. RHB “It's red hot, mate. I hate to think of this sort of book getting in the wrong hands. As soon as I've finished this, I shall recommend they ban it.” ~ Tony Hancock On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: 1,1s can run Lion; mine does. TBH, a 1,1 is probably the best price/performance deal. Mine came with dual-dual Xeons at 2.66, which gives about 6k Geekbench with a platter hard drive, and cost $350. I upgraded to dual-quad Xeons (also at 2.66) which brought me to 10k, and the CPUs were $50 each. Illirik Smirnov Head of Congressional Debate -- Enloe High School Debate Team Board Member, Enloe Gay/Straight Alliance Quiz Bowl A Team On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote: Bob, The MacPro 1,1 is stuck at OS 10.6.8. I'd try for something with more upgrade future. The new MacPros haven't hit the market place yet and folks might be getting worried about the new design shift to less internal expandability. Until then, the older MacPros might be at a premium. Dale On Oct 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Bob Johnson wrote: I'm in the same boat as the OP, still using an eMac as my main computer, though I do have an intel macbook available for when I desperately need it. I've been looking at used Mac Pros, as I am a bit tired of the non-upgradeability and repairability of the all-in-one designs. Mac Pros are extremely rare on the local craigslist, and even the 1.1 versions generally want close to 1000 bucks. Is a 1.1 Mac Pro a viable choice, or is it too limiting? I'd welcome any advice on what to look for in a Mac Pro, processors, video options, etc, as I have no experience with this class of machine. And is it better to buy from one of the used Mac dealers, or is craigslist or ebay the way to go? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Bob --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:03 PM, ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net wrote: As Bob said about the repairability of the later iMacs … I just looked on the net, at all the two year old iMacs that were being sold for Parts and decided I didn't want any computer, that didn't have a fan. Uhhh, iMacs have fans. Several of them, in fact. They run at relatively low speeds, to be quiet, but they run quite reliably. Where are you seeing 'all the two year old iMacs being sold for parts' please? There's one here that suffered an unfortunate 'pushed to it's death off of a desk' incident and would like a screen and some glass. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
Il giorno 07/10/13 21.55, ROBERT H. BAUCOM ha scritto: I just looked on the net, at all the two year old iMacs that were being sold for Parts How many? You should compare that number to the number of working used iMacs on sale. Every computer can break, but it's the ratio of breaking vs working that matters. (PS: You don't even find broken PCs because they're directly thrown out ;-) Besides, it depends on WHAT is broken (and which models). G5 iMacs had many failures due to bad capacitors; later models didn't. Some Intel iMacs with high-end graphic cards had those cards failing. Apart from the above, I never heard about iMacs being fragile. Actually, I got an used 2009 24 iMac months ago, and it's going strong. and decided I didn't want any computer, that didn't have a fan. Try to get better informed. iMac have several fans, and you can fine-tune their speed to suit your taste and usage. Since I was a little worried that my 24 iMac could overheat, I installed smcFanControl and now I can keep my iMac's innards at the temps I want. Thats what made me scrape my nickels together and buy a Mac Pro Tower Mac Pros are fine machines, but they are overkill for many users. There's no one computer fits all. :-) -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
I don't understand all the advice given in here. The simplest solution I see to keep the old software happy would be to get a PowerMac or iMac G5. It doesn't have to be one of the latest even, because all G5 are faster than the eMac, and the older models are cheaper, of course. That will have to do until he can buy another, newer model (anything he can afford) and upgrade the software. That could go in two steps: first the hardware, sometime later the upgrade. No harm using one computer for Adobe and another one in parallel for the rest. (Don: The newest OS supported on PowerMacs is 10.5.8 and that would probably be the recommended one. But 10.4.11 is good too and runs slightly faster. It must be my stupid day, but someone posted that 10.6 runs on PPC, which I can't understand either.) -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
The newest OS supported on PowerMacs is 10.5.8 and that would probably be the recommended one. But 10.4.11 is good too and runs slightly faster. It must be my stupid day, but someone posted that 10.6 runs on PPC, which I can't understand either. My MacMini server is really a 1.25 GHz G4 with a replacement optical drive carrier and adapter which houses a second hard drive which is for data, only. Mine is setup to run 10.4.11 non-server when in non-server mode and 10.5.8 Server when in server mode. I keep the machine handy for the very reasons mentioned by the O.P ... the need to retain paid up Adobe, Fontographer and other software licenses, which would cost an arm and a leg to update to an Intel Mac, or ... horror of horrors ... Windoze. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:38 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: My MacMini server is really a 1.25 GHz G4 A tiny bit of solder and it overclocks to 1.5 GHz. My 1.42 GHz Mini runs smooth at 1.58 GHz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSSsUvmky1A -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
