Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

2012-11-02 Thread Kyle Hansen
Start with the PRAM battery. They tend to bleed out. Should read 3.6v with
a multimeter.

--Kyle

On 11/2/12 2:45 PM, "Richard Gerome"  wrote:

>
>
>
> If you have another G4 Tower try swapping everything (you swapped
>the video card, maybe try the hard drive next?) one at a time till it
>boots up then you will know what's wrong?
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>
>From: Buzzby 
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>Subject: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver
>
>
>
>
>
>I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or
>two.  I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all.
>Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it won't
>work?  As far as I remember it did work before.
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Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2 - WAS::::: Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

2012-07-19 Thread Kyle Hansen
I am aware of that. But he just said OS 9. I was unaware he meant OS 9.0
specifically. 
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On 7/19/12 7:37 PM, "Fabian Fang"  wrote:

>The two Cube models came pre-installed with Mac OS 9.0.4, and
>therefore could not boot into OS 9.0.  No Macs can boot into any OS
>versions lower than what they came pre-installed with.


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Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2 - WAS::::: Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

2012-07-19 Thread Kyle Hansen
Cubes shipped with MacOS 9.0.4 so what do you mean by they can't boot OS 9?

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On 7/19/12 11:13 AM, "Mac User #330250"  wrote:

>--  Original message  --
>Subject: Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2 - WAS: Re: Updates for Mac OS X?
>Date:Friday, 13. July 2012
>From:Jerry 
>To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>
>> In April 2011, I found a legal copy of OS X Server 1.2 server on
>> Amazon.com, of all places.  I tried a few things to make it work, but
>> was non-successful.
>
>I¹m just trying to install Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on my G4 AGP Graphics. I
>found that the installation disc has two bootable volumes: the first one
>is a 
>Mac OS 9 (specifically 9.0) boot disc that has the installer on it. You
>can 
>also use Drive Setup to initialize a volume ­ so you can choose one for
>the 
>installation.
>
>Knowing that the Cube cannot boot Mac OS 9.0 ­ there is your problem.
>
>> Later, I purchased an early G4 from the LEM list that was on the HCL and
>> was still unsuccessful with 1.2.
>
>Which Mac did you collect, exactly? (If you¹re not sure, you may want to
>use 
>Mactracker or Onyx to find out, or, if you¹re brave: System Profiler).
>
>> Today, my Server 1.2 box is sitting on my book shelf.  I need to get
>> motivated again, and come up with plan C !
>
>You should definitly give it another try.
>
>Contact me should you be interested.
>
>
>Cheers,
>Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
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Re: DVD won't eject

2012-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
Mercury just went into retrograde. Expect problems. I am not a hippy. I am
an Apple Certified Technician. I have been charting this for years. When
Mercury goes retro, my invoices are higher.

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On 7/18/12 1:56 PM, "Golden Silence"  wrote:

>Hello All:
>
>I keep a lazy eye on long term weather trends.  Sunspot and cosmic ray
>interference are ramping up with the peak occurring in 2013.  There is
>supposed to be more sunspot activity these next years than for something
>like 1-5 centuries previous.  (Sorry just too lazy to look it up right
>now).  I believe I read about it on the NOAA.gov website.


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Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

2012-07-11 Thread Kyle Hansen
Well let's jet say that I personally would not want to have to have a
coded server responding to thousands of requests a day to compile a list
of installed software on a client that is accessing it and then making it
available to hundreds of requests at any given moment to download a
variety of locally stored updates. The network traffic alone would cost a
fortune. I understand how the Software Update server works and it is much
more complicated than it seems.

Yes, the files being stored at Apple are part of a static server. It is a
much different environment than the Software Update servers and VERY easy
to maintain.

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On 7/11/12 10:31 AM, "Mac User #330250"  wrote:

>I don¹t knowŠ It doesn¹t seem such a burden to keep a working update
>structure
>online?!? Correct me if I¹m wrong but the Software Updater simply
>downloads a
>list and compares it with what¹s installed already. It is an automated
>way to
>tell which updates are available and in which order they should be
>applied.
>
>Keeping this list available cannot be such a burden for Apple!
>
>Also, the files are still available though the download pages from Apple
>Support. So they are still hosted, which is good, yes. But where is it
>that
>Apple has more important things to do, when what they do is to remove a
>simple
>list (which is what they apparently did) for older Mac OS versions?
>
>Cheers,
>Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250


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Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

2012-07-11 Thread Kyle Hansen
That is pretty normal. Mac OS 10.2 was released almost exactly one DECADE
ago. The Software Update servers usually only hold updates from the last
few years. After that you have to navigate to Apple and do it manually. It
is a huge burden on a company to support things back over a decade, so I
am just happy that Apple is cool enough to even have the updates available
in it's downloads page. It is in all of our best interests that Apple does
NOT overburden itself with support for legacy products. They have more
important things to be doing. ;)

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On 7/11/12 9:56 AM, "Mac User #330250"  wrote:

>Hello!
>
>I reinstalled a fresh 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 on my Cube and naturally I
>started 
>updating the installations soon after. 10.2 is now the most recent 10.2.8
>with 
>all security updates supplied by Software Update, but I had to use my
>previously downloaded and offline stored installation packages.
>
>I checked the last three or four days for updates on Mac OS X 10.2 and
>today 
>with 10.3 and noticed that the servers from Apple were unreachable from
>within 
>Apple¹s own Software Update application
>(http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1338).
>
>I then checked to see if updates from the support page
>(http://support.apple.com/downloads/) can be downloaded normally, which
>they 
>can. So there is still a (hard) way to update a Mac OS X pre-10.4.
>
>I also noticed that Mac OS X prior to 10.5 has been removed from Apples
>internet website (http://www.apple.com/support/mac/).
>
>I will now also continue to update my 10.3 using the priviously
>downloaded 
>.dmg installation images I collected and preserved for such cases.
>
>
>Anyone else having problem with Software Update?
>
>
>Cheers,
>Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
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Re: Getting 80 pin SCSI to work in an 8600

2012-04-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 4/16/12 7:36 PM, "peterh...@cruzio.com"  wrote:


>Besides which, I have had my best results using a hacked version of Drive
>Setup, in which I use ResEdit to change one of the Seagate drives to
>support whatever new-to-me drive I encounter.
>



That's the way I always did it. Just hack your drive setup entry with
ResEdit to make it see all drives. Works like a charm.

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Re: G4 Cube

2012-02-23 Thread Kyle Hansen
Not shipping them. I am an enthusiast, and every time I ship one it gets
broken.

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On 2/23/12 1:19 PM, "John Ruschmeyer"  wrote:

>
>
>On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen  wrote:
>
>Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust.
>
>
>
>
>Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts?
><--waves hands
>
>JR 
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Re: G4 Cube

2012-02-23 Thread Kyle Hansen
Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust.

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On 2/22/12 8:52 AM, "Eleni"  wrote:

>One of the nicest looking with decent performance that Apple ever made,
>but ironically it was a commercial flop!
>These days I know many collectors are dying to get their hands on one of
>them.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eud1SWKhEwo&feature=plcp&context=C35b605bU
>DOEgsToPDskIwpQh-Eay9rt7nbF8J6vCe
>
>
>
>On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:19 PM, JohnV wrote:
>
>> I'm about to dive in and replace the power supply in a G5. Caveats?
>>suggestions? warnings?
>> 
>> JV
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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

2012-02-09 Thread Kyle Hansen
You are correct. I am looking at one right now. Had a L-bracket and
mounted parallel to the Logic Board. 32mb PCI with one VGA port.

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On 2/9/12 12:42 PM, "Len Gerstel"  wrote:

>
>On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> IIRC the very first Xserve's had a VGA-only PCI ATI card, ISTR it
>>> was a 32 mb 7000.
>>
>> I was unaware of this card, is it a half-height card or full size?
>
>Full size. Looked just like the retail 7000, just had only a vga
>connector. It was mounted parallel to the main board on a riser I
>believe.
>
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Re: G5 quad with different S/N

2012-01-29 Thread Kyle Hansen
That's actually more common than you think. I have the official Apple
Internal "Intel Reserializer" tool. It is software that allows you to
change a serial number to match the one on the case if you had to swap the
Logic Board out. 

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On 1/16/12 10:36 AM, "JOHN CARMONNE"  wrote:

>
>On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeffrey balfus wrote:
>
>> I have a G5 with different serial numbers. The origin logic board
>> died and was replaced by Apple, the new part has a different serial
>> number to ID the computer.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>  I have a PM G5 dual 2.7 with the serial number on an Apple refurb
>sticker on the case door opening at the bottom of the latch area. The
>MOBO doesn't report a serial number in profiler.
>
>John Carmonne
>Yorba Linda CA  92886
> From iMac Core Duo 2.0
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Re: POLITICAL STATEMENT?

2011-11-25 Thread Kyle Hansen
Sorry, food coma.

THIS THREAD IS DEAD! FURTHER COMMENTARY ON THIS TOPIC WILL RESULT IN A
WARNING OR POSSIBLY A BAN.

Thank you all for your compliance.

Back to talking about Mac stuff.

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On 11/24/11 12:10 AM, "W.Adrian D'Alessio"  wrote:

>As much as i  appreciate the rich political debate-
>
>None of this has any business on LEM.
>
>Nanny !
>
>Or has LEM just been abandoned to the chaos ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Valter Prahlad
> wrote:
>
>
>Il giorno 23-11-2011 20:41, John Callahan ha scritto:
>
>> In the original post the poster referred to the United States as a
>> "Socialist" country! I take high offense at that extreme denunciation
>> as I am a veteran of WWII and associate "Socialist" with the NATIONAL
>> SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY, commonly known in English as the NAZI PARTY.
>
>
>John calm down. :-)
>- First, the OP line was - I think - ironical, not literal.
>
>- Second, you're misinterpretating.
>I just happened to read a comment on the Net, about Nazism and Socialism,
>and I think it explain the matter quite well:
>
>"Nazism and Socialism, while both authoritarian in nature, are vastly
>different ideologies.
>Even though the Nazi movement was first labeled the National Socialist
>movement in Germany, it was a gross misuse of the term ³Socialism² in the
>sense that we know it today. Nazism is in truth grounded in Fascist ideals
>of corporatism with some xenophobic aspects tossed in for good measure,
>and
>was in direct opposition to the Communist movement in Europe in the 20s
>and
>30s. Socialism on the other hand is meant as a stepping stone to true
>Communism.
>While not a Socialist myself, I will admit that the end to which the
>Socialist philosophy aspires is much more good-natured than the end to
>which
>Nazism aspires. "
>
>We better distinguish the labels from the facts. ;-)
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Re: MS office '11

2010-12-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 12/17/10 12:04 PM, "Fabian Fang"  wrote:

> Entourage has been replaced by Outlook in Microsoft Office for Mac 2011:
> 
> 
> However, not all Office 2011 for Mac editions include Outlook.  My
> Academic Edition does.
> 
> Fabian

I guess I could have better phrased my question.  It is more related to
iPhoto.  You no longer have Entourage as a sending option in iPhoto.  Anyone
found a workaround?
===
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MS office '11

2010-12-17 Thread Kyle Hansen
Has anyone figured out how to get entourage to work with this like it did in
the last version.  You know, where you pick out some pics, Entourage is set
as your default email client, and you click send, pick a size and off you
go.  Currently it looks like only Apple's Mail client and Tumblr etc are
available.  

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-21 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 10/21/10 1:58 PM, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Richard Gerome 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>    Hey Brian, I agree with you on that it is cool but: why is it we can't
>> still run our old machines too without more trouble whenever they come out
>> with faster and better stuff??? I don't care if it's slower I just want to do
>> what I always did... They force us to buy the newer stuff by making our older
>> stuff run worse... I have a friend with an old TiBook running Panther who
>> can't use it anymore and he can not afford to upgrade it to Tiger and get few
>> more yrs out of it... He lives in South America and I've been looking for a
>> Tiger disc and more memory for him cheap enough for me to afford and mail it
>> to him so we can still stay in touch by emails and Scipe (mailing him letters
>> would prob take a week from the USA) and by then the news up here to him is
>> too late... Not only are some of us retired and living on fixed incomes some
>> of us had to file for bankruptcy and are not making anything at all... In his
>> case he lost his home and business and had to move back with his relatives
>> down there...  Us poor people always have to suffer and get creative just to
>> keep up... Today you need a computer to get a job because they are now
>> online... They don't even hire you now because they do a credit check too
>> ("hey I'm here for a job not a loan") I got into this credit problem because
>> of loosing my job in the first place... WTF is this all about???
> 
> Content with prettier eye candy sells ideas If you cannot keep up with the
> current "style" your content looks flaky and suspect. Think here of
> mimeographed political flyers when Xerox came out. The medium in itself is a
> semaphore subtexting and toning whatever it expresses.
> 
> Rather than the democratizing effect that personal computers should have, if
> you cannot keep up financially your ability to put a message out is
> compromised.
> 
> Your comments about the struggle on the street level I can well identify
> with.  
> Steve jobs has lost touch with the needs of the masses he sought in the old
> days. 
> 
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-21 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 10/21/10 12:16 PM, "James Therrault"  wrote:

> Having the latest 'n greatest is fine and justifiable if your in the
> business that requires it.
> 
> Macs don't fall into this category as the PC world owns that domain.

Actually I work for a number of large Bay Area firms and they are switching
to Mac's.  Including the Government.  Lawrence Livermore Labs.  They want
the security and stability that the Mac OS has to offer.  Windoze may rule
that domain for now but not forever.
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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-21 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 10/21/10 10:57 AM, "Ashgrove"  wrote:

> On Oct 21, 12:21 pm, Bruce Johnson 
> wrote:
>> Someone on this list who hasn't bought a new Mac in a decade has no grounds
>> to bitch and moan...you're literally looking for a free ride. This is the
>> very thing that's  made Microsoft the lumbering dinosaur it is, having to
>> provide that free ride to the folks still 
> 
> The issue here --for me at least, and for several people here as
> well-- is not the natural course of life, or the too rapid pace of
> computer development.

The golden rule.  Computers processor speeds and storage space will double
approximately every 18 months.  If you are using a Mac that is 5 years old
consider it a car that has 500,000 miles on it.  I have had people tell me
as an Apple Service Technician " I just bought this" so many times I could
spit.   Then I read the serial number and tell them when their computer was
built.  Hard drives are mechanical and die after a period of time.

> I'm just talking streamed video here, which is just the top of the
> iceberg. 

My Netflix come in little red envelopes in the mail.

> Oh, well. Perhaps the whole world is just changing. People thought of
> a Mac in the same way they thought or a nice car: Buy quality, it'll
> last you forever. Nowadays people who really want quality and can
> afford it simply lease their cars...

You are aware that you can lease a Mac right?

Listen, I feel your pain, I have an SE-30 sitting right here.  I know this
is Lowendmac, but the Sawtooth G4 should be considered vintage at this
point. Back when I was nannying the PM 8500 list machines that were a three
or so years back were considered vintage.  It's usually people who make
minor machine jumps that b*tch.  For example going from a 4 year old machine
to a 3 year old machine instead of hitting the head of the curve.  If these
people shelled out a few more bucks they would have a top of the line
machine that would last them a long time.  I have a Tangerine iBook here for
testing RAM and OS 9 problems.  It works great.  It's not Apple that is
hurting you.  It's developers moving on to the next and better thing.
Programs do not run well on old hardware for a reason.  Developers are
developing for the future.  If you were a machinist would you be working on
a better carburetor for a 73 Buick or a hydrogen fuel cell?
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Re: G5 coolant leak

2010-09-28 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 9/28/10 11:57 AM, "Bruce Johnson"  wrote:

> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Mark wrote:
> 
>> I think I might have a leaky G5. Haven't looked inside yet but I smelled "hot
>> electric" a few hours after I heard a dripping sound in a room with nothing
>> that should drip. The window was open however.
>> guess I should see something inside when I open it up? what ?
> 
> Yes there should be obvious signs of leakage and bad smells, and the computer
> should not work.
> 
>> Any idea what fixing it will cost ?
> 
> The cost of getting another non-leaking G5.
> 
>> hint: I am looking for an excuse to get a Mac Pro
> 
> 'Accidentally' spill some iron filings into the case when you open it up.
> Remove your drives for 'testing purposes' turn it back on and watch the
> fireworks? With a fire extinguisher handy? 8-P
> 
> Seriously if it has leaked then the logic board and CPU are both trashed, so
> if it did leak there's your excuse.

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Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 2:09 PM, "Kyle Hansen"  wrote:

> On 7/18/10 12:22 PM, "John Carmonne"  wrote:

> Tiger was compiled to run on PPC only based machines so you can't run it
> on a non PPC machine.  Same with Snow Leopard.  Since it was compiled as an
> intel stack it won't run on PPC.  You can't hack that.  You would have to
> write your own OS.

Sorry.  Mistyped that last one.
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Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 12:51 PM, "Doug McNutt"  wrote:

> <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html> is the controlling document for the
> basics of internet email. (Some would claim that the real RTF is 822 which is
> formally approved and not  still "standards track".  It's worth a read. Its
> also worth while to poke around on that site for general education. RFC's
> (Requests for Comments) are the way the internet is supposed to work.
> 

I killed this thread hours ago.  DO NOT post on the subject again please.

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Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 12:22 PM, "John Carmonne"  wrote:

> AFAIK threre is no retail universal disc for Tiger Intel

Tiger was compiled to run on intel  only based machines so you can't run it
on a non PPC machine.  Same with Snow Leopard.  Since it was compiled as an
intel stack it won't run on PPC.  You can't hack that.  You would have to
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Re: Change machine specific installer requirements

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/17/10 10:29 AM, "Dan"  wrote:

> At 5:33 AM -0700 7/16/2010, John Carmonne wrote:

>> What I'm referring to is a disk that comes with a particular machine
>> and when I try to install it tells me it "can't work on this
>> machine" I know the system is all the same but you're stuck with
>> using it only on the machine it came with. I need to remove what
>> ever it checks for. Like a helper program?
> 
> You're asking for assistance in pirating the Mac OS.
> 
> Unacceptable.
> 
> Nannys?
> 
> - Dan.

Dan is correct.  The machine specific discs have a piece of software that
launches pre-install that verifies it is installing on the machine it was
made for.  It IS pirating to try to change this.  And if you succeed you may
be severely disappointed.  It may have been specific to a model that had a
different driver set and will screw your install up completely.  Most of
them do not have a universal OS behind that software.  One version of the
eMac installers did and a couple others.  But not many.  So you might
install and get no video because you have an Nvidia graphics card and that
OS only has the Radeon driver set.

The RETAIL disks are universal.  They have a piece of software that looks to
see what hardware it is installing on and then installs the appropriate
drivers. 

Technically, using a non machine specific disk on a different machine is
pirating the Mac OS and against the EULA and against this list's rules.  The
list you want to use for that would be that big one out there called
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Re: plain text please ... 44, do we have 50?

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/18/10 9:33 AM, "Bill Connelly"  wrote:

> List Nanny would you stop all this?

I just did.  I will do it again.

THIS THREAD IS DEAD.  DO NOT POST ON THIS TOPIC ANYMORE.  FURTHER POSTS ON
THIS TOPIC MAY RESULT IN A TEMPORARY BAN FROM THE LIST.

This was the last thing I wanted to wake up to and read.  Now back to the
Tour de France on Tivo with a Mimosa in hand and my laptop open reading this
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Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/17/10 9:50 PM, "Kevin Barth"  wrote:

> The fact that "things have always been done this way" has never been a
> particularly compelling argument against change.  To quite the Brady Bunch,
> "When it's time to change, then it's time to change."

Listen, the rule is there for a reason.  To make the list readable for
everyone.   If one insists on using HTML it may not go through and you may
get moderated.  I assure you that there are some people on this list on dial
up.  I can  also assure you that there are people using older than G3
machines on this list. The reason being is that some of the lesser populated
lists have had members migrate here for answers.

It is really out of consideration for others.  If anyone has a problem with
this policy then take it up with Dan Knight the list owner.  Don¹t start a
war on the list itself.

THIS THREAD IS DEAD. FURTHER POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT MAY RESULT IN A TEMPORARY
BAN FROM THE LIST.

Let¹s get back to talking Mac now and not text formats.

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Re: plain text please

2010-07-18 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/17/10 3:10 PM, "Kevin Barth"  wrote:

> With due respect, seems to me that a steadfast insistence on plain text is
> dated and unrealistic.

This is not up for debate.  It has to due with the bandwidth that google
allows our group etc.  Plain text or leave the list.  Sorry.

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Re: Change your wifi/cable router passwords!

2010-07-16 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 7/16/10 3:54 PM, "Bruce Johnson"  wrote:

> I do not yet know if Apple Airport devices are vulnerable.
> 
> -- 
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I got a tech update on that from Apple.  Airport Base stations are not only
vulnerable but may be targeted to show off.  Follow Bruce's, as usual, spot
on advice and create a STRONG password for your router's backend admin.
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Re: G4 desk top daughter card

2010-05-29 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 5/29/10 3:38 AM, "Miguel Garcia Gell"  wrote:

> Is this what you're looking for...
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-G4-500-Mhz-w-heatsink-Processor-CPU-MAC-/23047347369
> 4?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item35a94a1e9e
> 
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:30 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:
>> Hi All
>> 
>> Does anyone know if a  500  MHz daughter card from a G4 desk top will fit a
>> G4 Cube. I need a 500 processor for a Cube.

Yes and no probably...speaking for him.  The cooling is a huge issue in a
cube.  OWC has or had an upgrade (I think it was made by Newertech) that was
a processor upgrade with a fan assembly.  I have owned many cubes and
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Re: MySpace.

2010-04-23 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 4/23/10 12:05 PM, "Bruce Johnson"  wrote:

> Be careful what you wish for, you might get someone who decides that
> Bangladeshi folk music is Just The Thing.
> 
> (Happened one time in a lab I worked in, one PhD was from there and
> was playing some traditional Bangladeshi music. To the untrained ear,
> this sounds like a cat being strangled, slowly, over a fire, fed
> through a feedback loop. With sitars accompanying.

Thanks a lot Bruce.  Now I have to clean my monitor because of the cranberry
juice that shot out of my nose in laughter at your post.  Basting.
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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

2010-03-08 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 3/8/10 5:21 PM, "Jeffrey Engle"  wrote:

> 
> 50-60 yards? just a guess. Jeff

Cantennae from her side pointed at your wifi would work.  I got one over a
hundred yards to a park I sit at and write.
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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

2010-03-08 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 3/8/10 1:31 PM, "Jeffrey Engle"  wrote:

> connected to the rear antenna port) shoots via "line of sight" to my
> sisters front room window, allowing her to connect via her macbook.
> Will this work? Jeff

How far is her window?
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Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?

2010-03-08 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 3/8/10 10:18 AM, "John Musbach"  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM, iJohn  wrote:

> Basically, in lower power access points--like consumer Apple airport
> base stations the signal is broadcast in a circular fashion around the
> base station. But as the power increases, the signal becomes more and
> more narrow until at the highest powers the signal is simply broadcast
> in a line from the access point to the receiving end. At least that's
> how I understand it.
> 

Maybe I missed something at the beginning of the thread, but why not just
get a $99 Airport express and use it as a repeater/network extender.  I have
a client that I had to string several of these together to get signal out to
a barn/workshop.  Don't ask.
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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

2010-02-22 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 2/22/10 2:42 PM, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
wrote:

> Kyle,
> 
> How about addressing whether list rules and other issues directly
> related to a specific list are legitimate subjects to discuss.
> 
> And if LEMlists group list is the "only" place to legitimately discuss
> such list business why does LEMlists group list only have 87 out of
> maybe 10,000 members?
> 
> Are the other 99% of LEM members aware they violate a rule discussing
> list rules or other business on the list to which it pertains ?

I understand that LemLists is underpopulated, but the talk of remote viewing
via webcam is actually not OT on the G3-5 list.  As far as I am aware all
G3-5 Mac's have the capability to use webcam's so that would not be OT.

When in doubt on a post contact a List Manager (Nanny) PRIOR TO posting. I
try to let things go a little on this list because I KNOW it is a highly
populated list and a great place for people to get information, but if
someone came in posting all kinds of "vintage Mac" questions or truly OT
questions I would put a hammer on it.  The G5-Intel transition is the grey
area.  Just as it was when we went from G3 to G4 and G4 to G5.
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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

2010-02-22 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 2/22/10 11:51 AM, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
wrote:

> And why the moderators don't press joining the LEMlists group is a mystery.
> 
> 
> 
> 
The moderators have a ton of issues to deal with.  A message can turn into a
different theme as can a conversation.  We let it go until it becomes
completely unrecognizable.

I agree.  If you want to post something completely off topic take it to the
Lemlist.

And the delete key is a powerful one.

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

2010-02-21 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 2/21/10 1:52 PM, "Clark Martin"  wrote:

>> And how exactly do you format these modern IDE and SATA drives?
> 
> High level format as if you didn't know.
> 
> -- 
> Clark Martin


If they are clients or friends I format the drives with a 5lb. Sledge Hammer
and tell then put a new drive in it.

In 14 years as an Apple service tech you would not BELIEVE the things I have
seen.  Sometimes even on accident.  I recently did a data recovery for my
neighbor (model beautiful young married woman) and during the process of
verifying that I had gotten full size pics and not thumbnails I randomly
clicked on one of the files and now every time I see her I can see through
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Re: iMac G5 2GHZ Graphics Problem

2010-02-08 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 2/8/10 12:29 AM, "Kris Tilford"  wrote:

> On Feb 7, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> 
>> FIXED! I shimmed the Graphics Chip using Pennies! I stacked them
>> under the gray cover, and then on top of the cover and then closed
>> the computer up and it works perfectly!!! Thanks for help, you saved
>> my computer!
> 
> Using pennies sounds seriously dangerous. Anything that conducts
> electricity that might get loose inside is asking for a short-circuit
> that will possibly put a permanent end to your iMac.

You beat me to it.  I would not have used a conductive material.  I would
have gone to the hardware store and got a heat gun and just warmed it up a
bit then slammed it back together or used the candle technique:

http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/726/diy-obsolete-ibook-logic-board-repai
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Re: .cdr .dmg. .img ?

2010-01-22 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 1/22/10 11:39 AM, "John Musbach"  Spew into the
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>> Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone could comment on the comparison
>> between these three file formats: .cdr  .dmg. .img ?
> 
> IIRC, *.cdr is equivilent to *.iso it's just that in all their wisdom
> apple decided to use the *.cdr extension for iso images produced by
> disk utility rather than the *.iso standard.

I think you have it the opposite way.  *.iso is a PC term and ISO is short
for "International Organization for Standardization" so the PC world is
idiotic in calling it ISO when it should be IOS.  And I think *.cdr (cd
recordable) is MUCH more reasonable and intuitive.
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Re: G4 Mac Mini Desktop Memory Question

2009-12-30 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 12/29/09 7:27 PM, "James Therrault"  Spew into the
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> I've been toying with getting a G4 Mac Mini 1.25 GHz or faster as a
> stop gap move until going to some sort of Intel unit next year.
> 
>  From what I have been able to research, 1 GB memory is the max that
> is supported.  My question is if anyone has ever installed 2GB?

I'm a server Tech and I have never gotten one to take a stick bigger than
1GHz.  They are meant to be toys. A desktop equivalent of a netbook.  Meant
for web browsing and word documents.  I think that's why there is a limit on
their memory capacity size limit.  They aren't meant to do anything more
than that, and if you want to then Apple wants to push you into a more
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Re: Large format printer

2009-12-23 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 12/23/09 12:30 PM, "Jason Brown"  Spew into the
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> This printer will do color and is up to 12x36 banner printing. Do not know if
> this will help or not.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/5fswgk

Thanks.  That might work.
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Re: Large format printer

2009-12-23 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 12/22/09 11:39 PM, "Paxton"  Spew into the
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> There are good laser printers that do a good job on photos but I don't
> know of any larger than 11X17. What is she trying to print?

She has an Epson 2000.  She wants to print large wide near poster size and
is tired of replacing all the ink when one color runs out.
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Re: Large format printer

2009-12-22 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 12/22/09 2:25 PM, "Bruce Johnson"  Spew
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> Depending on the 'cost doesn't matter' thing, we have a nice Canon
> Color  Network copier/printer that does up to 11 x 17 full bleed, but
> that's a $50K printer, I think...we're just leasing it.

I think 10k is about the limit.  I didn't think there was a LaserJet option
in that wide of a format.  Even the ones I am seeing in your posts are ink
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Large format printer

2009-12-22 Thread Kyle Hansen
Does anyone know of a large format LASERJET printer?  I have a friend who
wants to replace her Epson 2000 with a Laserjet equivalent and I have never
heard of such a beast.  Any help would be appreciated.  She's wealthy so
cost probably doesn't matter.
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Re: File Recovery Query

2009-10-23 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 10/23/09 9:43 AM, "aussieshepsrock"  Broadcast
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> but
> can I use a utility program to scan the drive's sectors and
> reconstitute the data onto another drive?

Data Rescue from Prosoft Engineering should work for you.

http://www.prosofteng.com/
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Re: Entourage question

2009-10-09 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 10/9/09 9:02 AM, "Bruce Johnson"  Broadcast
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> 
> 
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Is there a way to individually edit the autofill in Entourage 2004
>> or 2008?
>> I know you can clear it.  But I just need a couple of names gone.
> 
> Doesn't Entourage maintain it's own address books and received
> addresses files? Here's a vaguely applicable MS KB article:
> 
> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/823667>
> 
> Otherwise, if the name is in the address book, just delete that
> address. I know 'received addresses' account for most of the 'where
> the heck did Thunderbird/Mail/Outlook find this address??' queries we
> get.

It is held in an MRU directory but I can't find it.  I wanted to edit
individuals out.  Like a person that has 2 email addresses but I only email
to one, but need the other one in the address book just in case.

I ended up just clearing it and then moving secondary addresses to a field
that entourage didn't pick up as an email address (birthday).
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Entourage question

2009-10-08 Thread Kyle Hansen

Is there a way to individually edit the autofill in Entourage 2004 or 2008?
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Re: PPC Geneaology software - what's best?

2009-09-30 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 9/30/09 11:44 AM, "Clark Martin"  Broadcast into the
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>> I've heard good things about Reunion - in fact it's what the Family
>> Tree Maker people recommend, but I know nothing about geneaology or
>> the software for it, so I could really do with some personal
>> recommendations.  For any difference it makes, the iBook's running OS
>> X 10.5.8 (quite happily, too).
> 
> MY mom uses Reunion.  She seems to be quite happy with it.  I don't have
> much experience with it though.

My Mother and my Brother use Reunion and they both love it.  I, Like Clark,
have had no experience with it, but I trust my brother's recommendation as
if it were my own opinion.

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Re: Bounty Offered on Mac infections

2009-09-30 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 9/30/09 9:22 AM, "Richard Gerome"  Broadcast
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> I think any of us who are running a PPC do not have to worry about any
> infections or viruses here, only the intell ones... I'm not worried at all
> about this!!! CoolKat


You are going to be worried when PPC based Comps are too slow to even run
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Re: My G4 seems to be running slow

2009-09-05 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 9/5/09 4:27 PM, "WhyOSX"  Broadcast into the
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Slow while doing what?  Surfing the web?  Everything?  Word? Games?

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Re: facebook

2009-09-05 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 9/4/09 1:11 PM, "Charles Lenington"  Broadcast into the
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> 
> I keep getting invites to fagbook. What is it, is it secure, why do i
> want it. does it run on macs?

This thread is dead. No further posting on this topic is allowed.

This always happens on a holiday weekend when the other nannies are gone and
one of us are left by our lonesome. Normally I would just email Charles
behind the scenes but since there are so many posts on the topic...

The term "fag" is not acceptable for use on these lists.  It is considered a
derogative sexual connotation for a homosexual human at best.  At worst it
is a hateful vindictive and evil term for the same group of people.  Your
use of that term shows your level of sensitivity.  It is on par with the "N"
word for African Americans and the "C" word for a female.

If anyone uses any of those terms they will be warned at the least.  From
the Netiquette page everyone should have read when they signed up.

"Mom and the nannies are watching. The list managers (the List Owner or
"mom" and List Managers or "nannies") have the right to remove posting
privileges or ban anyone from the list for vulgarity, trolling, flaming,
name calling, threats, or other behavior detrimental to this online
community. They also have the right to switch you to moderated mode* for
continued violations of the list rules and netiquette; this could escalate
to blocking or banning if the infractions continue."

Let's try to be polite.  There is a large group of people here and out of
the 1600 subscribers I am willing to bet that some are of that sexual
persuasion and didn't appreciate that post.

And no offense to the British, this is an American website so we ask that
you use American English.  Yes, I know you started the language.  Terms such
as Torch for flashlight and Boot for the trunk of your Lorrie are acceptable
but not the term for a cigarette.  Thanks.

This thread is dead. No further posting on this topic is allowed.

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Re: Xserve G4 (Tray Load) video card (and other) questions

2009-09-05 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 9/4/09 6:10 PM, "Ian Prickett"  Broadcast into
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> 2) Compatibility question, does any one know if the video cards for
> these were specific, can I use a card from a Powermac G4 QS (at least
> to get it up and running) after that I want to use screen sharing to
> manage it?

I manage over 30 of those xServes and they will only take up to a 9200
series.  But if I were you I would get a copy of ARD and manage it from your
desktop's screen.
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Re: bad emac switch?

2009-08-26 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 8/26/09 1:41 PM, "Jeffrey Engle"  Broadcast into the
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> Ok, just bought an emac on ebay that came with a bad power switch
> (yes, I tested it with my sisters emac switch) is there a way of
> bypassing the switch or possibly using something else to work the
> switch? I can solder? what say you Jeff

Replacing that switch and the Evad cable were standard shop daily jobs back
when I worked in the repair shop.  Just go to eBay and buy a replacement.
They can't be expensive.

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Re: MacBook case suggestions?

2009-08-06 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 8/6/09 6:16 PM, "Dana Collins"  Broadcast into
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> I am looking for such a case that fits sort of snug, but can still
> accommodate the added girth of the Incase shells.

I just buy Brenthaven.  The have the highest drop rating.  No need for a
shell.  Polycarbonate built into the sleeves.  I use this:

http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-eclipse-ii-sl-jetblack-apple.html

I am an Apple Service Technician for a living.  I only use Brenthaven bags.
I don't get a commission or anything, they are just the best for damage
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Re: Mail directory "broken"? PBG4 10.5.7

2009-08-05 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 8/5/09 7:17 PM, "Dan"  Broadcast into the ether:

> I didn't say per folder.  I said the INBOX in APPLE MAIL (which is
> the application we're discussing).
> 
> Subsequent folders / mailboxes can be gigantic.  It's the INBOX
> that's critical -- it's got multiple threads writing to it, so it's
> most at risk for corruption.

Mail is a flawed application.  I see it start crashing when the mailbox gets
to be a gig or so.  I highly recommend to my tech clients not to use it and
get a real mail app.  Not the freebie.  You get what you pay for...cept for
Firefox.

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Re: "The Intel-only future draws closer"

2009-08-02 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 8/2/09 8:23 PM, "Dan"  Broadcast into the ether:

> Macs are an afterthought at this
> point, expecially since they're not interested in the business market.


I am a server tech for several companies that use Mac only Server setup for
security.  More and more companies are moving to Mac's. ESPECIALLY in the
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Re: Any replacement keyboards

2009-06-26 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/25/09 11:53 PM, "Charles Lenington"  Broadcast
into the ether:

> Brian Christmas wrote:
>> G'day
>> 
>> I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24" iMac, but she
>> doesn't like the Apple keyboards.

Microsoft keyboards work with Mac's out of the box.  You may miss a few
functions but with an add on called USB overdrive ( and steermouse for mice)
you can pretty much use anything you want.   I am typing this to you on a
Mac Pro with a Microsoft Digital Media Pro keyboard and a Logitech G-5
Mouse.  Those are both Microsludge only hardware devices.  They are my
favorite devices.  They are wired though.  I refuse to use a non wired HID
(human input device) because I am a "gamer."


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Re: Photo App. suggestion

2009-06-19 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/19/09 4:16 PM, "diane"  Broadcast into the
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> 
> I use Photoshop or GraphicConverter for editing (GC is pretty simple
> and you can download a demo), and iViewMedia Pro for organizing
> (purchase way before M$ bought it!)
> 
> Diane

I think I have an older copy of Photoshop I could give you.  If you are
interested in image editing..I am distracted at the moment...but I have
several versions of legitimate old copies of Photoshop that you could just
have if you buy the stamp...contact me offlist if Photoshop would help.
Graphic converter is great too.

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Re: Photo App. suggestion

2009-06-19 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/19/09 4:01 PM, "Bruce Johnson"  Broadcast
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> Yeesh...If iPhoto's out of the question, just about anything else I
> can think of is, too.
> 
> Google has Picasa for the Mac out now :]
> 
> There's Adobe photoshop Elements, but if iPhoto's too complex, then PE
> is, too.
> 
> Flickr offers some online editing tools.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bruce Johnson

Yes.  I was going to recommend an iPhoto organizational system with Graphic
Converter for editing combo.  Off to Flickr you go.

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Re: Safari 4.0

2009-06-19 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/19/09 6:15 PM, "Marty Levine"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> Its not a Safari 4.0 bug!  I have the same behavior is Safari 3.2.3
> 
> I know that doesn't help you much but it may help the guru's figure it
> out.  I'm not even sure when it started since I normally use Firefox.
> 
> -- Marty
> 
> p.s.  As a former semi frequent top poster  I have to say bottom
> posting is much easier to follow and the trimming really helps.

As an advocate of bottom posting and a person who till gets Apple internal
news updates there is still a security hole they are working on fixing.
Expect more updates.  I can't say anything more over the interwebs or I
could get in deep doo doo.

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Re: Safari 4.0

2009-06-19 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/19/09 11:00 AM, "Bruce Johnson" 
Broadcast into the ether:

> Nope, it means that there's a bug affecting Leo users only...
> 
> -- 
> Bruce Johnson

Yep.  And I recommend using Firefox instead of Safari anyway.  Security,
stability and a host of other reasons.

-- Kyle H.

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Re: PRAM battery?

2009-06-18 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/18/09 12:07 PM, "PeterH"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> If you have an accessible cold water ground, and that cold water
> system is continuous throughout the premises, you have some hope of
> the ground being reasonably low resistance.
> 
> The focus of the NEC is fire safety [ * ] , and their code is a
> minimum from that point of view.
> 
> There are better ways of effecting an electrical ground system, but
> the NEC gives the minimum acceptable system, and most communities
> have adopted the NEC.

Yep, and the stake is at the outlet box, at the incoming water line etc...

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Re: PRAM battery?

2009-06-18 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/18/09 11:55 AM, "Clark Martin"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> To meet the NEC it has to go back to the relevant electrical panel to be
> grounded there.  Earth ground has a rather high resistance, that's from
> personal experience.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Clark Martin
> Redwood City, CA, USA
> Macintosh / Internet Consulting

I can send you a pic of where the Circuit box is and where I used a Hilti
Rotohammer to drive through the concrete and properly stake in (California
building code) for the entire CIRCUIT that was not grounded properly...say
the word and I will post it offlist.

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Re: PRAM battery?

2009-06-18 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/18/09 10:46 AM, "Clark Martin"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> I hope you are joking, that is NOT how you ground an outlet.

Short version.  I rewired the entire flat.

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Re: PRAM battery?

2009-06-18 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/18/09 8:07 AM, "diane"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> My date automatically reset via the internet. I have since powered
> down as we are expecting storms today, I'll see what happens when I
> reboot. I had a spare in a machine here so at least that will come
> home with me too - the machine is over 6 years old so I've been
> wondering when it would go!
> 
> Diane

When you power down your machine there is a draw on that battery.  So if
over the past 6 years you have unplugged your machine multiple times due to
storms (not a bad policy, especially if your house is not grounded
properly)...It's the battery.  If you leave it in make sure your electrician
grounded your place right because when I moved into this house one circuit
was not grounded.  So I drove the stake into the ground myself and rewired
it.

If you know what a multimeter is and know how to use it, just test the
voltage (it should be near 3.6). If not then stimulate the economy and buy
that $9 battery!
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Re: PRAM battery?

2009-06-18 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/18/09 7:54 AM, "James E. Therrault" 
Broadcast into the ether:

> I had a similar incident when the I experienced a momentary power
> failure yet the next day when severe storms were approaching, I powered
> down everything, shut off power at the surge surpressor and in fact
> unplugged it as well.
> 
> When I restarted several hours later, the date/time was correct.
> 
> Go figure...

I pull out the battery and measure it's power with a multimeter since I do
not want to take any chances.  99.99% of the time they are dead.
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Re: PRAM battery?

2009-06-18 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/18/09 4:03 AM, "diane"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> 
> Woke up this morning to my G4 FW800 shut down. No power outages
> overnight. When I turned it back on, it reset to a 1969 date.
> 
> This is the battery, right? (if so it would be my first dead one in
> over 20 years with a Mac!)

Yes.   That date was the date of one ov the guys on the developers team.  Go
to Radio Shack.  Buy a new one.  Good to go.

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Re: USB Need

2009-06-18 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/17/09 7:51 PM, "iJohn"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> One of the reasons I have always disliked the USB protocol is that the
> designers seemed to have a connector fetish. Why else would they have
> included so many different types of connectors.

Yeah.  Me too.  Universal Serial Bus...Universal my *ss.  There are so many
connection types it is stupid.  There is nothing
Universal" about it.

Having worked at the Apple Genius bar I know the actual prices of in store
apple products and their markups.  A cable that costs $30 has an original
cost of about $4-5.  Their markup is UNBELIEVABLE.  Now that I am an
independent contractor I get my stuff off of eBay, Amazon, or order from
Japan/overseas directly.  You would be surprised how cheap cables are over
there and how fast they get here.
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Re: Help (Way OT)

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/15/09 5:18 PM, "Kyle Hansen"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> 
> On 6/15/09 5:08 PM, "Amanda Ward"  Broadcast into
> the ether:
> I am more Apple/Cisco, but I have some Sun knowledge.  What's up.

See even I make a mistakes.  I am giving myself polite warning...done.
OK...back to business.  And Amanda Hit me offlist if you need help.
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Re: Help (Way OT)

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/15/09 5:08 PM, "Amanda Ward"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> 
> Hi All...
> 
> There are a lot of serious tech folk out there. Can someone with Sun
> system experience contact me off-list?
> 
> Many thanks and an apology!
> 
> Amanda

I am more Apple/Cisco, but I have some Sun knowledge.  What's up.

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/15/09 4:45 PM, "Amanda Ward"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> ... armed with torches and pitchforks. ;-)

They always are.  I try to be the nicest I can be but sometimes I come off
wrong.  It will all be answered by Dan Knight.

But suffice it to say there is one very important advantage to bottom or
interleaved posting.

That benefit is that most of the people that have the answers to all your
questions do not like top posting.  Some may reform the message so it is
readable for those that get the archive, or some may do what I do.

If someone top posts I just delete the message instantly.  I wish there was
a "top posting filter" in Entourage so I could just save a step and have
them land in the trash.   I do the same ESAECIALLY for someone who top posts
23 messages behind their 3 words.  :-)
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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/15/09 3:32 PM, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
Broadcast into the ether:

> Perhaps you would like to spend the time Kyle and other Nannies have
> to keep the lists civilized.
> It is a rather thankless job.

OMG.  Did I really see that?

Thank you Wallace.  We delete trolls and spamers and spend an hour a day
easily, just approving of rejecting spam posts etc.  You guys have no idea
what we go though.
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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/15/09 2:52 PM, "Jim Scott"  Broadcast into the
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> The "moderator" is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to
> start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List,
> except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more
> important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the
> List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least
> moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection.
> 
> Jim

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/15/09 12:32 PM, "Dan"  Broadcast into the ether:
 
> Sometimes it's not location location location so much as audience
> audience audience.
> 
> The lem list lem list is all but dead...
> 
> - Dan.


Beat me to it again...I just got home...dangit.  There are more active
members here...that's why  I started it here.  I am Blind Ccing as to
nannies as I go along on some posts.
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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 5:23 PM, "Al Poulin"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> Hmmm,  I wonder if Dan Knight will adjust or clarify the rules for all
> of lowendmac?  Somewhere, I read that there was a "roundtable" about
> this yesterday.
> 
> Al Poulin

It's his call. But as I said.  A lot most of us consider top posting rude.

I can answer all your questions, but Bruce, Clark, Dan, Kris and a host of
others with vast experience get to them first.  And besides.  If someone top
posts I just delete it and move on.  It is their option to top post and it
is my option to delete.
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Re: Upgrading an old G3

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 2:58 PM, "Kris Tilford"  Broadcast into the
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> 
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Linda wrote:
>> 
>> my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB
>> wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger
>> to be installed.
> 
> This is likely to be difficult if your sister isn't somewhat
> technically capable.
> 
> The 1st problem is the AIO is USB 1.0. I'm not certain what you're
> referring to as "Verizon's USB wireless system" but I'm guessing that
> you're talking about using a USB cable to tether a Verizon cell phone
> to the AIO as the internet access?

She said AIO.  They don't have USB.  We need to clarify the actual machine
first.

And the Verizon thing she is most likely talking about is the wireless
adapter that allows internet through any USB port.

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Re: Upgrading an old G3

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 2:37 PM, "Linda"  Broadcast into the
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> my sister has an all in one G3. She would like to use verizon's USB
> wireless system for her internet access but it requires at least Tiger
> to be installed. I know she has 256 mb of ram and about 38G of hard
> drive space with 600 mhz. This computer is lightly used. Will Tiger
> run on this computer?

Is it Beige?  A serious AIO?

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Re: Upgrading an old G3

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 2:41 PM, "Phill Stroud"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> 
> Hi there.
> Yes tiger would run I run it on my g3 snowy 60mhz and 256mb ram.
> Runs a treat!!

She said AIO...not Snow iMac.  Careful of your advice. Looky

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_266_aio.
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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 2:07 PM, "Dan"  Broadcast into the ether:

> God bless AOL and the heck it hath wrought, that lingers today.
> 
> - Dan.
> -- 
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth

Not to mention that 97% of online crime against children is through AOL.
That is why I will never use any of their services...ever.

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 1:06 PM, "Doug McNutt"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> In short -  muck with the list software to get what you want without
> repetitive requests to "please stop top posting".

Google won't let us.  They have no settings for those features.

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Re: Lightning Season

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 12:27 PM, "Doug McNutt"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> Here along the front range in Colorado we do get lightning. You can hear a
> stroke and still have time to look out the window while the current is still
> flowing from the sky. Florida has more strokes but I'll bet we have more total
> electrical current.

I live in the Bay Area of California (Florida was a one year contract with
Apple and I let as son as I could) and I still use a UPS with an AVR on all
my computers.  I have a total of 5 in the house for valuable electronics.  I
mean my Mac Pro is one thing...but my Dynaco Dynakit Stereo 70's (2) along
with my Tuner, preamp and vintage United Audio turntable...I mean come on...

8-)

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/14/09 10:40 AM, "Brian"  Broadcast into the
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> 
> You know what?  If it's such a huge deal, why don't you just write your
> friggin senator and have them write a law to strike down this egregious and
> abhorrent behavior?  That anyone would have so much time to to spend on such a
> non-issue, or have such entrenched feelings over something so asinine speaks
> volumes of their the life and exactly how narrow their perspective is.

That is happening as you typed that.  And the Senator is the list Owner Dan
Knight.  Look at all the reasons it is bad to top post.  Read.

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 6:54 AM, "Dan"  Broadcast into the ether:

> No, not the rest of the world.  Top posting is fine for light
> conversational chatting, where context is relatively unimportant.
> All other threads should be bottom posted and trimmed.

True even in my workplaces.  Only an emergency would be top posted.  Same
when I worked at Apple (the mothership).

> Another issue with top posting is that is *discourages* trimming.
> That means messages grow and grow, to contain a lot of useless
> headers and other unnecessary drivel.  That's ok, maybe, if ALL your
> participants have high speed network connections.  But it screws the
> ones that pay per minute or per KB.

Perfect point. Some guy in Wyoming has to pay for all that noise you throw
at them unnecessarily.  These lists are to help people, not cause them to go
over their bandwidth cap and leave.

> Why switch back and forth at all?  Keep in mind one basic rule:
> Every email message should have more signal than noise.
> - Dan.

Exactly.  Interleaved (as above) or bottom posting is the way to go.  I work
closely with the North Face world HQ, Cost Plus World Market world HQ, Apple
etcthey all have their preferred posting methods in the employee manuals
(which I have to read and sign of on even as a contractor).  And bottom
posting or interleaved is what they insist upon.  Your workplace may be
different, but with Apple especially, and I am saying this NOT at the list
members, at Apple if you top post (unless it's an emergency) they consider
you an idiot.  

It's the younger twitterrers that are trying to change the rules.  This all
started with the Instant Messaging that teens use most. I will admit that I
IM when I am at the store and forgot what my wife asked me to pick up as I
was walking out the door with the list and have forgotten.

What is killing it for us the internet users in general...not the list) is
"what are you doing now...?  I am getting coffee, are you gona come over
later ...maybe...this girl is hot...check out the pic I just sent. etc."
Because this sucks bandwidth and is relatively irrelevant.

Very well put Dan. And I say that not just because you agree with
me...because you have valid points.

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Re: [G3-5]A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 3:02 AM, "Peter"  Broadcast into the ether:

> Ok, got that trimming part. Anything else?
> Peter M.

Not really.
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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/14/09 2:48 AM, "Gary D."  Broadcast into the ether:

> 
> Why don't we just break up the group into two groups, one for top
> posters and one for bottom posters and than everybody will be happy.
> Or maybe not. (sorry)

Most of us who have been here for the last twelve+ years years and those
with the best advice on problems that users have, just delete questions that
are not bottom posted and trimmed so let's just leave it as it is. If they
can't follow a couple of simple requests then so be it.

If I see a top post asking for help with a complicated problem that a person
who has been working on solving for days, I always know the answer (Apple
Certified Tech) ... I just delete it. Why should I be polite if they are
not? Let it run it's course. Who cares.  I only got uppity because Dan
Knight himself did so as well on a different list because the thread was
unintelligible.

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-14 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/13/09 11:30 PM, "Ralph Green"  Broadcast into
the ether:

So this is easier for you to read...who was I responding to?

> 
> Howdy,
>   I am pretty sure Stanton does get it, and you mis-read him Kyle.  It
> was probably an accident, but Stanton was commenting on the notion that
> top-posting forces your reader to work.  Top posting for short messages
> is easier to read and that is the big advantage.  Most people could
> configure their email program to top or bottom post.  So, posting either
> way is about the same effort.  Reading top posted replies is much
> easier, because the response is right there when you open the message.
> You don't have to scroll down to the bottom just to see what the new
> message says.  That is such a waste of time.  For long messages, it may
> add clarity and be worth the effort.  It is nothing but make work on
> short messages and I would discourage it, plain and simple.
> Good day from someone who will try to resist furthering this thread,
> Ralph
> 
> On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 21:18 -0700, Kyle Hansen wrote:
>> On 6/13/09 9:07 PM, "Stanton Mitrany"  Broadcast
>> into the ether:
>> 
>>> Top-posting forces your reader to work . . .
>>> Sorry if this comment was hard to decipher.
>> 
>>> stanton
>> 
>> You sir, obviously "get it."
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> 


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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/13/09 9:07 PM, "Stanton Mitrany"  Broadcast
into the ether:

> Top-posting forces your reader to work . . .
> Sorry if this comment was hard to decipher.

> stanton

You sir, obviously "get it."
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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/13/09 8:18 PM, "MacGuy"  Broadcast into the ether:

> 
> 
> On Jun 13, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
> 
>> Dingbat!! Plain text, plain text, plain text, plain text.
> 
> Oh, that was delicious! :-) Jeff

LMFAO.  I was not going to say it.

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/13/09 6:40 PM, "John Callahan"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> BINGO!! Twitter, Twitter,Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter.

He he.  At WWDC they say Twitter will be gone in less than a year.

And the reason was that as a nanny I get blasted over and over again weekly
about why people are still top posting, and some people had some questions
offlist.  So I guess there is no being polite allowed here either.

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Re: A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/13/09 4:21 PM, "Kyle Hansen"  Broadcast into the
ether:

And page 2 of why bottom posting is considered the polite way to handle
things, especially in a back and forth forum:

Top-posting forces your reader to work

A top-posted message is easy to write; since, it doesn't require the writer
to edit any of the original message. As a consequence, a top-posted message
makes the message reader do the work of understanding what was said. Anyone
new to a top-posted conversation has to read a message unnaturally from
bottom to top. A reader may have to skip over the new top-posted comment at
the top of the message and scroll down to the bottom of the message to see
the context for the comment, then scroll back up, message by message, to
read the added comments in an unnatural bottom-to-top reverse order. No
editing has been done by the top-posting writers; so, each message contains
redundant signatures and irrelevant material.

And a few more links:

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
 
http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/bottom-posting.html
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/bri...@coollist.com/msg00178.html


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A polite netiquette back and forth

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen

I will even start the new thread so that we can calmly discuss the issue.  I
am of the opinion that I don't need to respond to a mailing list (like this
one) while at work or out for dinner or whatever.  Nothing has to be
answered instantly on a list like this.  In fact a lot of people subscribe
to this via Digest and won't get it until tomorrow anyway.  So what I do is
quickly scan for EMERGENCY messages that can't wait a couple of hours and
then answer them.  So that involves a couple more minutes of my time to
format the return email.  Be it a Blackberry or an iPhone bottom posting is
possible...it is just not the default.

Taken directly from Wikipedia:

Top-posting is a natural consequence of the behavior of the "reply" function
in most e-mail readers, such as Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express, Gmail,
and others. Partially because of Microsoft's influence, top-posting is very
common on mailing lists and in personal e-mail.[7][8][9][10]
Objections to top-posting on newsgroups, as a rule, seem to come from
persons who first went online in the earlier days of Usenet

So if we as Mac users want to adopt Microsoft's way then ok...I guess.

Early internet adopters like myself do not like top posting.  It makes a
thread difficult to follow.  Even more trimming the text to just the
relevant information is of great benefit.  Especially to people with mobile
devices.  This forces us to download the whole email and fumble through it
to figure out what people are talking about.

Here are a couple of links that were just googled by me and were first page
hits using the words "bottom posting" as the search words:

http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette#head-d58f0bbc
f56aca2802844f797a8cd4805877fab6
 
http://www.dearcupertino.com/2008/12/top-posting-and-bottom-posting.html
 
Having just attended the WWDC here in SF that was a huge outrage.  It will
be an option if not the default on the iPhone very soon.  All the people
that I spoke with about things like widgets and iPhone apps etc eventually
got around how they HATE the fact that the iPhone top posts by default.
Because it is considered impolite, in forums like this anyway. Your
workplace may prefer top posting.  That's great.  Whatever.  We here at LEM
prefer bottom posting.

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/13/09 1:57 PM, "Steve R"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> 
> At 1:44 PM -0700 6/13/09, Kyle Hansen posted:
>>  And what does it matter anyway?  If you are a thoughtful and polite person
>>  you would bottom post.  It's that simple.
>> 
> 
> I could take offense from that comment but I won't. Being thoughtful
> and/or polite has nothing to do with top or bottom posting

THIS THREAD IS CLOSED.

I could now ban you for posting on a closed thread, but I am also a
considerate and polite person.  Blackberries (like mine) and iPhones (like
mine) are capable of bottom posting.  Start a new thread if you wish to
discuss this further.

Thank you.

THIS THREAD IS CLOSED

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Re: Lightning Season

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/13/09 9:34 AM, "Dan"  Broadcast into the ether:

> Daisy chaining surge protectors is of little value.  But it works.
> 
> Daisy chaining power strips is a political issue - between you, the
> size of the circuit breaker in the garage, and your fire insurance.
> :)
> 
> I've got four daisy chained here.  Only one outlet in this room...

LMAO.  

I just buy a good UPS with AVR and never think about it.  I figure that If I
spent $3000 on a computer $150 is worth protecting it.

Even when I lived in Florida where the lightning is unreal during parts of
the year I just left things lugged into my UPS with AVR and didn't worry
about it.

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/13/09 4:11 AM, "Peter"  Broadcast into the ether:

> 
> On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
>> One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
>> posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
>> answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
>> Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
>> non-essential information from the previous post as well.
>> Kyle Hansen

THIS THREAD IS DEAD.

I pronounce this thread dead until Dan Clarifies.  Because he himself is
insisting on bottom posting (macintel list this morning I believe) and many
many complaints have been received by list nannies about the difficulty in
following threads when people top post etc.  THIS THREAD IS DEAD, until
further clarification.  I was well aware of the previous post saying that we
would ³Prefer² that you bottm post.  But due to the volume of complaints
that top posting is not only arrogant and inconsiderate, it makes threads
hard to follow.  Will post back when this has all been decided by Dan
Knight.  

Thanks

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

2009-06-13 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/12/09 11:39 PM, "Steve R"  Broadcast into
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> 
> Please, sir, where does Dan Knight, List Mom, on his updated
> 2008.02.15 webpage, continue to insist that bottom posting is the
> only way to post? See content of that page below the link you posted.
> 
> Kyle, I wish you no ill -- perhaps it was when you resigned from
> being List Nanny that Dan Knight, List Mom, posted to all lists
> saying that the 'banned for top posting' rule was no longer being
> enforced because Apple Mail even had its default for top posting.
> Just in the past week, someone reposted Dan Knight's email complete
> with headers to verify validity of the email. Dan Knight's email said
> bottom posting was preferred however it was up to the individual
> poster to determine how best to reply.
> 
> Surely, Dan Knight's email can be found in the archive.

None taken.  But Dan Knight himself just posted the same thing on the
macintel list.  We will clarify and the web page will be updated.  I am well
aware of that post.  The Listnannies are at the "round table" as we speak.

And what does it matter anyway?  If you are a thoughtful and polite person
you would bottom post.  It's that simple.

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Top Posting (read up)

2009-06-12 Thread Kyle Hansen

Hello,
 
I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
non-essential information from the previous post as well.  Here is a snippet
of the rules that you read when you signed up for these lists:
 
http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
 
Thanks for your understanding.  You will be warned first, then temp banned
and then banned from the list if you don¹t follow the few rules we ask you
to follow.  Usually we will ban you or moderate you (so your post has to be
approved by a nanny before it will hit the list) then temporarily ban you
(usually 72 hours), and then if you still don¹t ³get it² you will just be
banned from the listŠ.which we really do not want to do.  So please take the
few extra seconds and trim your posts then post your response at the bottom.
Not only is it polite, it is a requirement of our lists.  Some threads get
really hard to follow if you ³top post.²
 
We have posted several warnings.  The warnings are going to stop and then
bans are going to begin.  It is not that difficult to trim a post and then
reply in the natural fashion which is below the quoted text.

Thank you again for your understanding.
 
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Re: Lightening Season

2009-06-12 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/12/09 10:21 PM, "Stephen Weber"  Broadcast into
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> My suggestion is to get a really nice surge protector or get a battery back
> up.  Were I live I had some really bad storms pass through on the 9th and when
> I went down stairs to turn on my iMac G3 I noticed that the surge protector
> was tripped.  So they do work.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Ralph Green  wrote:
>> 
>> Howdy,
>>  Absolutely.  That is what the PRAM batteries are there for.  They keep
>> the system settings when you are unplugged.  It does not take much
>> power, but you do run them down faster when you are unplugged.  When you
>> are plugged in, they are not being drained by the computer at all.  They
>> are just naturally discharging, as batteries always do.
>> Good day,
>> Ralph

I suggest the same.  But not in the form of top posting as Stephen did.  Buy
a decent UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) that also has a voltage
regulator.  That is what I do with all my important systems.

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

2009-06-10 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/10/09 12:55 AM, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
Broadcast into the ether:

> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Kyle Hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> All the stuff they are doing now will be the same.  There will be some
>> transitioning just like from OS9 to OSX.  Everyone calm down.  I have inside
>> info on this but I have also signed an NDA so I can not share.
>> 
> =
> 
> That is not the problem. 604s still do the stuff they did in the old days too.
> 
> They problem is for those who bought G5s for workstations  right before their
> obsolescence, who thought they could at least pay those off and make a profit
> before the competition ran over them.
> 
> Home users and non business types are losers to the degree that they need to
> run new software.
> 
> And for true low end mac types like myself it means the sooner I get hands on
> cool hardware that is still generations behind the curve.
> 
> 
First off, if you bought a G5 right before it¹s obsolescence that¹s your
fault.   Any person that is remotely interested in Mac¹s knows the signs and
knows when they are rolling a new product out.  When ipod shuffles are free
after a mail in rebate guess what?  They are clearing their supply chain and
there are about to be new shuffles on the market.  So if you hold out for
the best deal, and wait for the sale you will get screwed every time.  Thy
announce at Macworld (or used to) now at WWDC.  So Don¹t buy anything around
those times.  And the software that runs on the G5¹s is still competitive
with the new stuff.  Final cut Pro is Final Cut Pro.  Just takes longer to
crunch on an older machine.  And the G5¹s are 3 years old.  That is ARCHAIC
in modern computing.  Moore¹s law.  Every 18 months.  You already know all
this stuff Wallace.

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

2009-06-09 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/9/09 9:16 PM, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" 
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> I expect no less than progress from Apple and while admitting envy for those
> who can move up to it I know that for each one of those in todays ecobomy
> therre will be many more whose businesses will fall further behind because
> they believed enough to invest heavily in high end G5s relatively recently.
> 
> And they may fail sooner for not having the ability to go Intel. Good for the
> big guys and bad for those with jobs lost.
> 
> That's right Apple, embrace Windows users and
> alienate Mac true believers. Great business plan.

All the stuff they are doing now will be the same.  There will be some
transitioning just like from OS9 to OSX.  Everyone calm down.  I have inside
info on this but I have also signed an NDA so I can not share.

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

2009-06-09 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/9/09 2:50 PM, "Bruce Johnson"  Broadcast
into the ether:

> I'm sorry, I must have missed the line where they said "All PowerPC
> systems will drop dead the moment Snow Leopard is released."

Hha hah hahah  ha ha.  Well said sir.

> Moreover, any Art Director that maxed out on G5's after June 2005
> (When Apple announced the move to Intel and the roadmap for the
> transition) deserves to lose their job.
> ANYONE in the business of speccing Mac systems should have immediately
> gone into a 'The only systems we buy are what we HAVE to' mode, and
> waited to get a clearer idea of the transition. That the developer
> systems that debuted at WWDC that year were amazingly fast running
> Intel-native software should have clued everyone in.

EXACTLY!

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

2009-06-09 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/9/09 1:56 PM, "Dan"  Broadcast into the ether:

> 
> hum.  Looks like Apple has ripped out the rest of AppleTalk from Snow Leopard?
> 
> So no more using AppleTalk printers etc...
> 
> - Dan.
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It's been Ron-Day-Voo and Bonjour for years now.

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

2009-06-09 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/9/09 1:52 PM, "Josh Keady"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> They COULD move a few Snow Leopard items to PPC, I'm sure, like
> Exchange support and some UI refinements, but then they have to fork
> the whole distribution because they can't integrate core technologies
> like Grand Central Dispatch (which is WAY more than "some
> optimizations") and so you have two different operating systems in

And I will AGAIN agree with this statement.  Read the post I made a few
minutes ago and you will get it.

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Re: It is official, we are orphans.

2009-06-09 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 6/9/09 1:12 PM, "Josh Keady"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> How is this a marketing move?  They want that lucrative Power PC-
> owning market share?  Or new users will say "Phew, thank God they
> don't support that crusty old PPC hardware anymore, I'm finally ready
> to buy?"  It just does not make enough sense for them ton continue
> developing on the Power PC side.  It doesn't.

As an ex-Apple employee and current Apple Certified Technician I COMPLETELY
agree with the above statement.

I am a nanny here, and I am well aware that this *is* lowendmac.com, but you
guys have this thread running well into the future which is not what this
list is really for but what the heck.

If you want to figure out a way to make it work do so.  If you want to
compile Hyper Card stacks on your se/30, then do so.  But whining about the
fact that now they are going Intel only with their OS is not intelligent
imo.  The OS is what Apple is all about and they need to tune it to their
hardware...especially their processor.  Apple rolled out Intel based
machines in 2006.  That is 3 years and 5 months ago. That is a long time in
the computing world. They did so in YOUR best interest.  Intel has a better
roadmap for the future.  IBM and Motorola had not met goals that they
promised.  Intel is a better processor for desktop computers and laptops.
Apple is thinking Laptops, Phones and iPods primarily.  Because that is
where the users are going.  I'm 41 and despise tweeting.  But the times they
are a changin' with or without me.

Let me put it this way, if you owned a business and the employee was
supposed to start his/her shift at 8am every day but never showed up until
10am, and also was supposed to start in 2009 but didn't show up until 2010
would you keep that employee? Hell no.  Think about it for a few minutes.

>From wikipedia:

"Jobs stated that Apple's primary motivation for the transition was their
disappointment with the progress of IBM's development of PowerPC technology,
and their greater faith in Intel to meet Apple's needs. In particular, he
cited the performance per watt (that is, the speed per unit of electrical
power) projections in the roadmap provided by Intel. This is an especially
important consideration in laptop design affecting hours of use per battery
charge."

Apple is working in your best interest.  Motorola is going into phone
processors etc, and Apple is thinking ahead, not behind.

So run what you want.  But don't bitch about it.  I have an Apple ][e
sitting close by with dual 5" floppy disks so I can play Zork and Sneakers
whenever I wanna get nostalgic.  I also have all the old gaming consoles
ready to go at a moments notice with over a hundred Atari cartridges.  I am
with you.  But you guys have to really think this through.

Kyle Hansen
-- 
This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter.



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