Re: G4 Gigabit ethernet ram
On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:56 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: Ralph Green wrote: Howdy, Would memory pulled from a G4 Quicksilver work in a Gigabit Ethernet G4? It is PC133 memory and I know that memory generally works in PC100 systems, but I don't know if the G4 Gigabit is sensitive to the speed difference. Good day, Ralph All of the memory in my Gigabit is PC133... According to Mactracker, the Gigabit only needs PC100. I've seen ads which imply their RAM sticks operate at CL2 if PC100 is requested, and at CL3 if PC133: e.g. (maybe) http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/ 133SD512328/ My understanding is that PC133 is higher grade, so using it at lower requirements is OK. It might depend on the manufacturer or brand of RAM stick, too. Cheaper ones my not switch to lower PC100 from the PC133 ... AKAIK. Like Jonas said, try it. I would also test it sandwiched in between 2 known good ones, in the Gigabit, using applejack in single user mode running memtest. My thoughts on the subject ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My DA Didn't Wake up from a recent Snooze ...
On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Dan wrote: System log seems to be gone already for yesterday Use Console.app. And click the More Logs button. Click the reveal arrows until you get to /var/logs, you can see previous System logs there. The no-wake-from-Sleep happened a couple of more times, so I shutdown, and reset my Trio ATA PCI card and re-plugged up the ATA cable. Did a cmd-opt-P-R for good measure. It hasn't done it since. Looking back ... Investigating fresh panic logs and an associated system.log via Console shows possibly a CCC Saved Task might be involved? It was set to execute when the associated volume on another machine (over my Network) was reconnected (which it wasn't). Heres the panic log Sun Jun 28 13:40:16 2009: * Sun Jun 28 13:40:16 2009 panic(cpu 1 caller 0x000A8C00): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 005BB35C, msr = 00049030, dsisr = 4200, dar = 3A08D040 AsyncSrc = , CoreFIR = L2FIR = , BusFir = c7fc Latest stack backtrace for cpu 1: Backtrace: 0x000954F8 0x00095A10 0x00026898 0x000A8C00 0x000A7E90 0x000ABB80 Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x2A70EA00) PC=0x005BB35C; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x3A08D040; DSISR=0x4200; LR=0x005BB424; R1=0x14DF3D80; XCP=0x0008 (0x200 - Machine check) Backtrace: 0x0003C890 0x002D1B8C 0x002D0A54 0x000A9714 Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.firmtek.driver.UltraTek133P_48(3.0)@0x5b5000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x491000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x4b4000 Exception state (sv=0x2A02C500) PC=0x; MSR=0xD030; DAR=0x; DSISR=0x; LR=0x; R1=0x; XCP=0x (Unknown) Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC * and here's a fragment of the system.log around the same time of Sun Jun 28 13:40:16 2009: Jun 28 13:40:06 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 1 us Jun 28 13:40:05 localhost memberd[45]: memberd starting up Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: vm_page_bootstrap: 221486 free pages Jun 28 13:40:05 localhost mDNSResponder-108.6 (Jul 19 2007 11: 33:32) [37]: starting Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: mig_table_max_displ = 70 Jun 28 13:40:05 localhost lookupd[47]: lookupd (version 369.8) starting - Sun Jun 28 13:40:05 2009 Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: 74 prelinked modules Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Jun 28 13:40:06 localhost launchd: com.bombich.ccc.scheduledtask. 4743F9D8-B641-40EC-87F4-773C1A682F69: execve(): No such file or directory Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: using 2293 buffer headers and 2293 cluster IO buffer headers Jun 28 13:40:06 localhost DirectoryService[49]: Launched version 2.1 (v353.6) Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: UltraTek::start: begin Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: Firmtek2BusCtrllr::InitialState - card is in 33 MHZ slot Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: USBF: 26.170 AppleUSBOHCI [0x1c4]::start OHCI controller will be unloaded across sleep Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: USBF: 26.173 AppleUSBOHCI [0x1c1d800]::start OHCI controller will be unloaded across sleep Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: FireWire (OHCI) Lucent ID 5811 PCI now active, GUID 00309301 40b5; max speed s400. Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: FireWire (OHCI) Lucent ID 5811 built-in now active, GUID 000393ff fe52bc2a; max speed s400. Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: Security auditing service present Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: BSM auditing present Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: disabled Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: rooting via boot-uuid from / chosen: E174041B-A59E-3E07-B124-8B0685C89783 Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: Waiting on dict ID=0keyIOProviderClass/keystring ID=1IOResources/ stringkeyIOResourceMatch/keystring ID=2boot-uuid-media/ string/dict Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: Got boot device = IOService:/ MacRISC2PE/p...@f200/AppleMacRiscPCI/pci-bri...@12/IOPCI2PCIBridge/ ultra-tek13...@2/UltraTek133P_48/ultratek133p_48...@2/ IOATABlockStorageDriver/IOATABlockStorageDevice/IOBlockStorageDriver/ ST3500630A Media/IOApplePartitionScheme/apple_hfs_untitle...@12 Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: BSD root: disk0s12, major 14, minor 9 Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: jnl: replay_journal: from: 467968 to: 6316032 (joffset 0x1c4000) Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: HFS: Removed 1 orphaned unlinked files Jun 28 13:40:07 localhost kernel[0]: Jettisoning
Re: My DA Didn't Wake up from a recent Snooze ...
On Jun 29, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:11 AM, insightinmind wrote: com.firmtek.driver.UltraTek133P_48(3.0)@0x5b5000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x491000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x4b4000 This is a problem with the ATA card or ATA card software. Do you have the most recent firmware on the ATA card? (I think v.4.5?) You might send this report off to firmtek? If you're using 10.5 Leopard there's a good chance the card ISN'T supported any longer? I'm using it mostly under Tiger 10.4.11 ... would want it to work under 10.5.7 when I get more RAM for my DA Dual 533. Name: Ultra-Tek133P+ Type:ata Bus: PCI Slot:1x2 Vendor ID: 0x105a Device ID: 0x4d69 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x105a Subsystem ID:0xad69 ROM Revision:4.5.0 Revision ID: 0x0002 Recent ROM ... I think its just old ... several years, moderate use ... but its been in a PPC 8500, a Yikes! and a QS Dual 1GHz. I'm considering FirmTek's SATA as a replacement later this week ... along with a 1TB Seagate. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Beige G3/233 now mute
On Jun 28, 2009, at 10:40 AM, leighkimmel wrote: Where is this reset button? I remember having to push the reset button when I changed the PRAM battery on my G3 iMac (man, but getting inside that baby was a chore and a half)., but I have no idea where it would be. Also, where would this voltage regulator card be? At this point, I'm ready to try anything rather than have to trash a machine that's otherwise in good working order. macgurus.com has mobo layouts showing where things are. Here's links for the Beige G3 Desktop and Minitower: http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/mbppcg3desk.php http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/mbppcg3mini.php Hope this helps some. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GarageBand is in pieces on the garage floor
On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:29 PM, tonycd wrote: Hi. I just upgraded my son's Smurf from 10.3 to 10.4.9. His GarageBand 2.0.2 got broken in the transition. It still boots up the program, but gives a message that the Loops (housed in a folder within Library) are missing. I have another machine with the same version of GarageBand, so I transplanted the Loops folder. All of GarageBand's other visible parts were present and accounted for. However, his Mac still gives the message that the Loops are missing. I understand that Unix-based programs, unlike Classic ones, have invisible files that are essential, so I'm not really shocked that this didn't work. But I still want it to. I have 2.0.2 as part of a set of 10.3 install CDs, and I have Pacifist. But for some reason, his burner won't spin up Install Disk #1. I'd think maybe it was because it refuses to downgrade, but my Quicksilver with Tiger will spin them. I also have GarageBand 4.1 (system requirement: 10.4.9) on a set of Leopard install DVDs, but his internal burner reads only CDs. When you use Pacifist, you don't Startup from the Install disk you're going to extract something from, do you? Curious why the machine doesn't load the CD ... I feel like I have all the parts, but am lacking some sort of ingenuity to solve this. Thoughts? Did Apple move the parts between Panther and Tiger? or change the structure of Garageband some other way? Does Panther Garageband level work under Tiger? I think Apple's site has a Forum specific to Garageband, if you don't get a response hear. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GarageBand is in pieces on the garage floor
On Jun 28, 2009, at 8:08 PM, tonycd wrote: Thanks for the excellent suggestions, Kris. Unfortunately, it appears I'm too dim to enact any of them. Lacking even an iPod or flash drive, what I tried was to transfer the files via my external FireWire backup hard drive. The problem I had was that I can't figure out how to use Pacifist to transfer a package in installable form, as a package. The only choices it seemingly gives me are 1) to install the program in the same machine that has the CD/ DVD drive, or 2) to extract the files into a set of folders that are collected in one folder, but don't work as an installable program. Pacifist also seems unable to separate a single .mpkg, only to extract or install it. Absurd as it sounds, the only option I could figure was to copy the ENTIRE install DVDs into my backup drive as disk images, in the hope that the receiving machine's Pacifist could install them. I spent all the time to copy them, then for the recipient Smurf to read them, only to find that Pacifist wouldn't install them on the recipient machine -- it would only deposit them as an extracted set of folders. Which is useless. I think I'm screwed. Or more accurately, my son is. Sigh. Maybe you need a CD set for Tiger like an eMac 16CD one. I am looking at mine and I see Garageband with Pacifist. If I can help in some way ... e-mail me offlist. Don't want to sell it, but maybe there's some way I can help with the part you're looking for w/o violating layman's copyright laws? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My DA Didn't Wake up from a recent Snooze ...
On Jun 27, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Dan wrote: What does it say in the system log? System log seems to be gone already for yesterday, but a panic log shows this (pointing to my aging legacy Sonnet Trio ATA/FW/USB card that I'm using in my DA to allow larger drives ... just this once, didn't fully wake-up ... seems to be the right time, I had just woken up from my Snooze ... better the DA than me (???)): * Fri Jun 26 16:08:21 2009 panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A8C00): Uncorrectable machine check: pc = 005BB35C, msr = 00049030, dsisr = 4200, dar = 37BAA040 AsyncSrc = , CoreFIR = L2FIR = , BusFir = Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0: Backtrace: 0x000954F8 0x00095A10 0x00026898 0x000A8C00 0x000A7E90 0x000ABB80 Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x2A89A000) PC=0x005BB35C; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x37BAA040; DSISR=0x4200; LR=0x005BB424; R1=0x14C33D80; XCP=0x0008 (0x200 - Machine check) Backtrace: 0x0003C890 0x002D1B8C 0x002D0A54 0x000A9714 Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.firmtek.driver.UltraTek133P_48(3.0)@0x5b5000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x491000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.6.0f2)@0x4b4000 Exception state (sv=0x00C87500) PC=0x; MSR=0xD030; DAR=0x; DSISR=0x; LR=0x; R1=0x; XCP=0x (Unknown) Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC * Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Beige G3/233 now mute
On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:33 PM, leighkimmel wrote: Recently the PRAM battery on my faithful old G3/233 desktop died. When I put in a new battery and started it up, I suddenly had no sound. No startup chime, no system alerts, no music from CD, nothing. When I go into the Monitors Sound control panel, it shows a blank for sound output, as if it doesn't even know it has the capacity to handle sound. Does anybody have any experience with beige G3's losing their sound when the PRAM battery is changed? I'd really like to be able to play CD's on it while I'm working -- I can listen to Internet radio on the G4 laptop (the machine I'm using to type this), but it tends to get hot if run for too long. Is the PRAM battery in the right direction? Did you also do cmd-opt-P-R ? All of this resets audio preferences I think ... but I only have experience with Mac Plus, a Performa, PM8500/9500, Yikes!, DA, QS 2002 ... nothing in between ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
My DA Didn't Wake up from a recent Snooze ...
Just tried to wake up my Tiger DA Dual 533 from Sleep ... usually wakes up fine. This time, I had to cold-cock it and use the Restart button. I remembered I had checked File Sharing and Remote Login for another project (Leopard connected QS iTunes Library Sharing, and more recent, Tiger connected Yikes! file copying to the DA). Is that what kept it from waking? The other computer has long since been disconnected. Also saw my Yikes! try to index my DA's Docs partition, while I had it briefly connected ... but it was also disconnected (without finishing the Indexing). Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 PCI Graphics Processor Upgrade from another G4...
On Jun 26, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: I have a G4 PCI Graphics with 400 Mghz and I'm looking for more than 500 and less than 933 Mghz processor single or dual. G4 Digital Audio processor doesn't work... wont fit... is out of the list already. I know this isn't over 500 ... but thought you might be interested. Don't know how adept you are at modifying mobo's, but you can overclock your Yikes! to 450 (probably). I did my 400MHz one this way: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4ZONE/G4YIKESOC/index.html Its very tedious as the jumpers are nearly microscopic. AND I am using Daystar's XLR8 MaCh Speed Control to insure the cpu and cache speeds stay within functioning levels (like around 448MHz cpu and 224MHz cache): http://daystartechnology.com/Apple_Mac_Products/ XLR8_Macintosh_Products/Mac_CPU_Cache_Control_Software_PS.html (but I couldn't see where you can currently buy the Combo OS X/OS 9 apps ... have to e-mail gary). Hope this doesn't confuse you ... its a rather cheap way to up 400 to 450. Mine still works. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 PCI Graphics Processor Upgrade from another G4...
On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: The Yikes (PCI Graphics) uses a ZIF CPU, and is easy to replace, but limited in the amount of speed you can get from it. I think you can only go up to 600MHz with the full 100MHz bus speed, and then you can go above 600MHz if you underclock the bus to 66MHz. With the slower 66MHz bus there are CPUs available up to 1100MHz (1.1GHz), but it's a trade off, and expensive. See: http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore.html There are nearly no faster CPUs from other Macs, so the 3rd party upgrades from Sonnet, XLR8, Powerlogix, etc. are about the only option for faster CPUs. I just looked at Sonnet's site ... they're sold out and discontinued :( It might be more feasible to buy another PowerMac G4 ... I just got a Digital Audio Dual 533 very reasonable. Shipping's a killjoy, but my new 133MHz bus Mac is very quick ... sorry, still not what the thread author requested though ... Bill C. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 PCI Graphics Processor Upgrade from another G4...
On Jun 26, 2009, at 8:50 PM, insightinmind wrote: I am using Daystar's XLR8 MaCh Speed Control to insure the cpu and cache speeds stay within functioning levels (like around 448MHz cpu and 224MHz cache): http://daystartechnology.com/Apple_Mac_Products/ XLR8_Macintosh_Products/Mac_CPU_Cache_Control_Software_PS.html (but I couldn't see where you can currently buy the Combo OS X/OS 9 apps ... have to e-mail gary). Here's a link: http://daystar-store.com/machspeedcontrol-osxandos9combo.aspx Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: problems with QS 2001
On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:48 AM, dc wrote: These could be symptoms of a dying hard drive. If you have a second hard drive you might want to clone your system to it then try booting from it and seeing if your problems disappear. I agree .. backup now ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote: Brian Christmas wrote: G'day I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24 iMac, but she doesn't like the Apple keyboards. Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can be keymapped? Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets used to it? Regards Santa Logitech KBs look similar and are the regular bouncey type ... I have nice wireless one. I think it offers key mapping (although its manually input) If you're giving the AL away, I'd be happy to give it a home ... I need another one for my Yikes! Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Strange Boot Problem
On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Bruce wrote: Len Gerstel wrote: On Jun 24, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Bruce wrote: snip I timed it. I press the power button, the chime sounds, the screen remains blank. Nothing further happens. Exactly 2 minutes later, (something times out, allowing the boot to resume?), the screen goes grey, next the Apple appears, next the spinning wheel under the Apple appears and spins. Suddenly the blue screen appears, and the boot finishes quickly. Once booted, the MDD acts normally. Have you tried starting up with cmd-V (I believe that's right) to see what the log displays? where it is hanging up at Startup? or just look at the system log to see where the 2 minute gap is? Does it do a RAM check at Startup, when a new PRAM has been cmd-opt-P- R'ed? Is the startup disk ATA connection good? Have you re-seated the AGP Video card and maybe PCI cards? or removed any PCI cards? blown out any dust in the slots? Is the PRAM battery inserted in the right direction? Does it have Airport connected? well? Really just Guessing ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have jumper requirements?) Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:51 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote: Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply, the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would unmount itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have jumper requirements?) Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure? I guess I should have also asked ... how did you know the 2.5 drive was working? Did it mount on your desktop? and was that through the USB? Did you decide the 2.5 and 3.5 both required the same voltage? If all true, it sounds more like the 3.5 drive is bad. Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:23 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this earlier in the thread). 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The drive would spin up light comes on, that's it. About boot-a-bility of external USB drives ... is that OS X (Leopard vrs Tiger) dependent in any way? I thought I read somewhere that USB 2 bootable became good (or was that became flaky?) under Leopard, and was not good under Tiger. If so, what OS were you trying to boot from on the 3.5 drive? I'll stop here ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:24 PM, insightinmind wrote: I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything BUT 3.5 drives using the USB interface? just strange. Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability? 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter? In one of the other models, the following switching bug is noted: *** While the rear panel Interface Converter Switch switched to eSATA interface, it only support SATA I transfer rate. This is known issue and should be fixed in future releases. Please switch to USB interface. Note: While the enclosure is switched to USB interface, both USB and eSATA interface works and supports SATA II transfer rate via eSATA. Maybe the switch is being blocked by the bigger drive? or did you not switch to USB/eSATA from eSATA only? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce4 MX Core Image Support (Not?)
On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:11 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On 21/6/09 02:57, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I recently put my GeForce4 MX in my new Digital Audio Dual 533, and was at least expecting Software Support for Core Image. Running Tiger 10.4.11, with PCI Extreme (from a previous setup), now set back to AGP. But no. When I restart into my Leopard 10.5.7 clone partition, is says Core Image Support, but I don't get any ripple effects when playing with adding Widgets to the Dashboard. Could someone explain what I am missing ... a GPU on the 4MX? I've googled, and started a dead end thread on nvidia's forum. Any G3-G5 help out there? The card doesn't support Core Image. You'd need a new card. ... http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1582 Thats all I was really looking for ... I guess its another bug in Leopard that the GeForce4MX shows up as Core Image Software, which implies software support. Sort of like my Digital Audio showing up having 4 RAM Slots in Tiger. Almost anything one might buy for a G4 could be considered in some perspective, not $$$ worthy ... except for recycling issues. I don't really need Core Image for my music work ... just wanted to Optimize my system, for the sake of Optimization. Could argue that's not worth anything, either. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
On Jun 21, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: Or years ago there were what were called 'Reed point' screws... As I recall, those also looked like a phillips, but the slots were shaped enough differently that a phillips would not fit. I don't recall exactly what the difference between those and the phillips...or for that matter between those and the posidrive? ~~ ~ Is it the same or similar fastener used on the harddrive casings and HD circuit boards (the HDs that have them exposed)? 6-pointed star- like hole? Phillips doesn't work ... they're just 4 aren't they? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 20, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: If you have an accessible cold water ground, and that cold water system is continuous throughout the premises, you have some hope of the ground being reasonably low resistance. I'm in need of some education here. Why is it necessary to consider the resistance of the ground? Thanks, Larry Eden I'm a layman when it comes to electrical things, but, AFAIK, electricity likes to travel the path of least resistance ... if it had to choose me or a cold water pipe, it would probably choose me if I were as grounded as the cold water pipe. and that cold water system is continuous throughout the premises AFAIK, again ... the more contacts with the ground, as in Mother Earth, the more likely it is to choose her. Better her than me. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to install Starcraft
On Jun 20, 2009, at 1:15 PM, m.smurph001 wrote: I've tried to install Starcraft on my Digital Audio G4. I try to run the installer program from the CD and I get an error message saying I need to run the program from the original CD, which is in the machine and on the desktop. I am running OS X 10.4.11. I have installed 1.6Mhz processor upgrade. When I installed it I ran the installation CD which came with it and apparently I didn't update the rom so it will boot into OS 9. It will run OS 9 from OS X. I'm not sure what this has to do with it. Like I say I am getting an error message telling me to install from the Starcraft CD, which is what I'm running the installation program from. I don't know anything about Starcraft ... but is it an OS 9 application? Most often you need to be booted into OS 9 to install something for OS 9. Classic OS 9 does not/may not work ... Classic OS 9 is not the same thing as being booted into OS 9 when it comes to installations. Now sometimes it does work ... but reread the documentation, and if it says you need to be booted into OS 9 ... then ... Then there's the OS 9 large drive limitations if you're running one 128GB under OS X ... Just some thoughts ... wait for a guru or Starcraftier person ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
GeForce4 MX Core Image Support (Not?)
I recently put my GeForce4 MX in my new Digital Audio Dual 533, and was at least expecting Software Support for Core Image. Running Tiger 10.4.11, with PCI Extreme (from a previous setup), now set back to AGP. But no. When I restart into my Leopard 10.5.7 clone partition, is says Core Image Support, but I don't get any ripple effects when playing with adding Widgets to the Dashboard. Could someone explain what I am missing ... a GPU on the 4MX? I've googled, and started a dead end thread on nvidia's forum. Any G3-G5 help out there? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/18/09 4:03 AM, diane di...@mathermotorsports.com Broadcast into the ether: Woke up this morning to my G4 FW800 shut down. No power outages overnight. When I turned it back on, it reset to a 1969 date. This is the battery, right? (if so it would be my first dead one in over 20 years with a Mac!) Yes. That date was the date of one ov the guys on the developers team. Go to Radio Shack. Buy a new one. Good to go. 20 years? Must'v been a Good battery ... Don't get it at Radio Shack ... its $20 there ... the same one at mcpb.com is $8. At owc ... macsales.com, they have NewerTech ones for $5. Well, then there's shipping ... Hey ... I'm a 1969er ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Clark Martin wrote: If you leave it in make sure your electrician grounded your place right because when I moved into this house one circuit was not grounded. So I drove the stake into the ground myself and rewired it. I hope you are joking, that is NOT how you ground an outlet. Hmm, that's how our electrician grounded the new circuits he put in our house, and it was per code, at least here. Note Kyle said 'circuit' not 'outlet', too. To meet the NEC it has to go back to the relevant electrical panel to be grounded there. Earth ground has a rather high resistance, that's from personal experience. I thought you could just hook it to a nearby water pipe ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... Might find an answer here: http://www.welovemacs.com/parts-power.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.0
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:35 PM, irrational john wrote: A Safari Version 4.0.1 update is now available. ... -irrational john i don't see it with my Tiger Software update ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:54 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: insightinmind wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:27 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: GigE's take the same PS as a Sawtooth, I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think so. I believe that there's at least one pin out that's different. It's been a few years since I had the dual 500... Might find an answer here: http://www.welovemacs.com/parts-power.html At $269.99 I think not! You can but a couple of working machines for that price... I know I know ... the price is ridiculous ... the info is free though ... that's what I meant by the suggestion. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
The problem I was having may have been due to a nearby PCI card crimping the Apple supplied short mobo ATA cable: I had also mounted my drive in the top position of the QSs piggyback sled, for better air flow. Of course when trying to debug a sole drive dropping off the desktop, you can go different routes: UltraATA (or UltraDMA) drives not being supported as Cable Select off a Cable Select setup in a QS 2002, according to an Apple manual, was one of the places. Someone stated (Peter, I believe, if I understood correctly) Apple, historically, uses an HP/Compaq patented Startup protocol that requires the Cable Select (slitted) off the mobo ATA cable at Startup, then, depending on the machine and particular hard drive specs, uses whatever the drive is set to (CS/Single/Master/Slave). (Note: Maxtors others, are sometimes different from Seagates). Several links in a chain of IDE channel events, any one of which MAY break the desired result of a good connection being established AND then maintained. As recently suggested, to be on the safe side, I decided upon returning to using the un-crimped Apple slit CS ATA cable with my Seagate Ultra ATA(DMA) 750GB 7200.10 drive, jumpered to Master. So far, the drive has not started clicking, and dropping off the radar ... which to me could indicate a failing drive and/or a bad connection. With it being a year old, light use, Seagate, and the crimped cable, I'm going with it having been a bad connection, for now. And I am using the symbolically unpleasant terms of Master/Slave to solve my hard drive dropping dead while over-working issue ... although I have no Slaves in my household. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
(SOLVED) Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
Thanks all. I'm satisfied that this thread is finished, problem solved, and then some. Bill Connelly --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sl-o-o-o-w browser
On Jun 16, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Dan wrote: At 3:09 PM -0600 6/16/2009, Joan Duncan wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions for what might be causing my browser to operate extremely slowly? Please provide some details about your system. I have checked with Qwest and done speed test showing that I am receiving 3mb at my Modem. My Ping test shows no packet loss but 96 ms rather than below 50. [and from later] Qwest sent us a new modem. So you could be having a network problem. What specific reason did Qwest give you for sending the new modem? Please show me the results of this command, issued in Terminal: traceroute phl.speakeasy.net I was going to suggest trying a different port in your router, but they sent you a new modem ... with router combination? Maybe try another port if your router is separate from the new modem ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:09 AM -0400 6/15/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: My Seagate PATA 750GB drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master / Slave (Master, since I only have one drive). If the system supports Cable Select, then use it. If in doubt, then just use the traditional Master/Slave set-up. AND from dc: With only one drive I would set it as Master and place it on the end of the ATA cable, the place designated for Master drive. I decided to replace the short Apple Cable Select ATA cable with the out-of-the-box standard lengthy ATA cable, and set my Seagate Ultra ATA to Master. Believe that will work ... I was already using Master settings in my DA for its Seagate Ultra 500GB, since I was running off the Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW ... card, and was using another out-of-the-box standard ATA cable. Funny ... the top of the Seagate drives say use Cable Select for its Ultra ATA drive ... but one of Apple's docs says Cable Select won't work for Ultra ATAs in the Quicksilver 2002 and other G4s ... and to not use the Apple supplied cable ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:44 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:49 AM, insightinmind wrote: Funny ... the top of the Seagate drives say use Cable Select for its Ultra ATA drive ... but one of Apple's docs says Cable Select won't work for Ultra ATAs in the Quicksilver 2002 and other G4s ... and to not use the Apple supplied cable ... The Apple cables from the BW on are 80-wire/40-pin, and are configured for Cable Select so that the H-P/Compaq patented method of interrogating the drives may be used during startup. Just for the main hard drive connection: So it is NOT ok to use the UltraATA cable (Space Shuttle-D, Cd Pb Free, 80wire/40pin) supplied in a Retail Box Kit along with a Seagate UltraATA drive as the cable off the Apple mobo, because of a HP/ Compaq patented method of interrogating the drive at Startup, in my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz? I need to put back the short one with the slit (hence Cable Select cable), and set my Seagate to Master, because ... This article: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1815 says my Mac doesn't work with Ultra ATA drives set to Cable Select mode. This should remedy the situation as long as the Apple cable (Apple P/ N 590-2253 REV A) isn't damaged? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: [ * ] It's called Overdrive. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/29409 404 error - not found TRY: http://mac.profusehost.net/overdrive/index.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/14/09 3:02 AM, Peter peter1...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Ok, got that trimming part. Anything else? Peter M. Not really. -- Are we through with this topic today? Its also 8:30am and I'm testing to see if my g3-g5 contributions are going to come back to me today ... in less than 2 hours ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Ownership and Privileges Across 2 Near-Cloned G4s
I have the basic partitioning scheme on both my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz and DA Dual 533: Leopard 10.5.7 (clone from QS to DA) Tiger 10.4.11 (different ones on my QS and DA, could be made the same) Apps (clone from QS to DA and back ...) Docs (clone from QS to DA and back ...) I cloned the Leopard partition using CCC 3.2.1 to the DA, and now have a nicely performing DA Dual 533 under Leopard; but, my User's names are different, so that the Ownership and Privileges aren't quite right on the Docs (and Apps?) partitions, which are also cloned from the QS to the DA (and back). I might decide to use Tiger on the DA, and Leopard only on the QS. I can use BatChmod to change all Ownership and Privileges on the Apps and Docs partitions, but wondering what kind of trouble I might be asking for ... I tried using this through BatChmod on the Docs partition: Owner localusername(TigerDA) Read and Write Group system Read and Write other everyone Read only with some success. At least I don't have to keep entering my TigerDA admin password to save a file there ... now my apps will save modified files to the Docs partition. One Mac acts as a backup for the other, and I do work on both computers, being that they are in 2 Music Studios. I may (should) add an external backup drive off my QS and do backups to it over my Network using CCC and with Time Machine off the QS ... that would be better than CCC back and forth between the QS and DA ... How might I better coordinate / sync my files so Ownership and Privileges will not be an issue across machines? Would creating Users on both machines with the same name resolve some of my issues? and use BatChmod to fix the Ownership and Privileges on both my Apps and/ or just Docs partitions? Seems like Leopard, Tiger and Apps partitions use: system Read and Write, admin Read and Write, and everyone Read only ... and the Docs partition is the one that's off ... Suggestions welcomed. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Dan wrote: At 9:52 AM -0400 6/13/2009, Dan wrote: Use a power strip / surge protector that has phone line protection. That way you have only two plugs to pull - the power and the dsl line into the strip. FWIW, another school of thought Surges need a path to follow that's better than your computer. If you cannot totally disconnect (isolate) all your equipment, then it's better to simply shut it all down and turn the power off at the surge protector. Leave the equipment plugged in... That way the grounding system is still connected... My home network is a simple 3 or 4 computers-off-one-dsl-modem/router LAN. Computer setups are located in several rooms/studios. Each computer/other equipment (expensive and sensitive audio, scanners, etc) are connected to a power strip ... strips are sometimes daisy chained. So I usually only have 1 plug per room to pull ... and at the router, I pull all the ethernet cables, and the phone line. I feel like the hardwire ethernet cables still might act as an antenna for nearby strikes, but I'm resisting pulling them from the backs of my computers. Wireless connections would likely resolve that part ... Someone's comment made me start thinking of my CRTs as antennas as well ... Come to think of it ... I did have my electrical service upgraded fairly recently, and they added a surge protection to the system ... but he warned me about its function ... the lightning can enter the system anywhere, so its effectiveness is debatable ... I really think physical disconnection is the safest ... even with its comedic possibilities. Thanks all for the refresher course / comments ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightening Season
On Jun 13, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Al Poulin wrote: On Jun 13, 9:52 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Note also that a UPS is nothing more than a better surge protector plus a battery backup (for when the power goes out totally). The surge protectors in them are just like the ones you buy separately - price vs quality. The more expensive UPSs include automatic voltage regulation (AVR). Also, beyond normal home use, there is power conditioning. That would help with the audio equipment, too, I believe. Brownouts are a related beast, most likely solved by the UPS with AVR. Guess I could benefit by a sale on expensive UPSs ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Top Posting (read up)
On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:43 AM -0400 6/13/2009, insightinmind wrote: ... Make sense? maybe I should drop my signature ... seems harmless enough. I doubt plain vs rich (aka html) in a sig would block your emails at the server level. If they were going to bock, the thing they'd most likely hit on is the content therein, eg the myspace url. A quick search thru my unfiltered spam trap shows thousands of messages containing myspace.com. At the user level, a lot of people junk html-based emails unless they're from someone on their whitelist. It's easy enough to do - just filter for an x-html tag. Your original post in the Lightning thread is rich (HTML), btw, but the font sizes are good. Well I shortened my Sig to just be my artsite ... non-myspace url. My message above hasn't come through to my Mail box, yet. Maybe its my verizon server ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.0
On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:09 PM -0500 6/13/2009, Ralph Green wrote: Well, it is not exactly what George asked for. But, if you like the progress bar, use Firefox and install the fission add-in. I almost always add that add-in, because I like the Safari style progress bar. ug. Firefox is s slow compared to Safari 4! That's like handing someone rusted rollerskates while you zoom off in their Porché. I noticed that, too. I especially ... like the Top Sites window (new to 4?) ... except I can't really figure where its getting those from ... I haven't visited many of them ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Lightening Season
We've entered lightening season and I have begun unplugging my systems as storms approach. I have concerns for my G4s: Yikes!, QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, and soon to be had DA Dual 533. Does this place a drain on the PRAM batteries? I believe someone contributed awhile back, that when the psu capacitor drains, that's when the batteries are used more. What might be a time limit on such a capacitor drain? I've come to mistrust surge protectors, and really don't want to go into UPSs ... but are they immune to lightening? I also disconnect my DSL modem and ethernet cables: that's how lightening fried my last QS mobo [and a USB connected Nikon 5000ED circuit board (now back fresh as well)] ... the QS I think actually had problems since eBay. My replacement mobo is behaving really well. All this unplugging has become rather comical (well, to my cat and dog, since we're here, mostly to ourselves). Any suggestions about how to accomplish this better? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightening Season
On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:44 PM, insightinmind wrote: lightening meaning lightning, of coarse (sic) ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: lba48 Support in a Yikes!? / Add: DA Dual 533
On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:47 AM, PeterH wrote: The known-to-work patches are: ATA4 (DA and early QS HD channel) #! /bin/bash - ifkextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-4 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 then read -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-4 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi ATA3 (DA and early QS optical channel, and some other HD channels) #! /bin/bash - ifkextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-3 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 then read -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-3 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi ATA2 (some other HD channels and some other optical channels) #! /bin/bash - ifkextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 then read -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi I'm a bit disconnected from the systems programming ... where is this input? Hopefully convenient to a Cut/Paste scenario? some kind of Script application? I just bought a DA Dual 533 and will need to apply something for large drive support there as well. May leave my Yikes! alone, since the DA will be replacing its function. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: lba48 Support in a Yikes!? / Add: DA Dual 533 / Overdrive 1.0
Re: lba48 Support in a Yikes!? / Add: DA Dual 533 / Overdrive 1.0 On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:27 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 11, 2009, at 7:07 AM, insightinmind wrote: I'm a bit disconnected from the systems programming ... where is this input? Hopefully convenient to a Cut/Paste scenario? some kind of Script application? I just bought a DA Dual 533 and will need to apply something for large drive support there as well. May leave my Yikes! alone, since the DA will be replacing its function. I recall keying in the text. Goodness ... commands looked like rather complex structured programming input ... 1 syntax error and peat / repeat ... If you check Macupdate, there is a free application, Overdrive, which will do the same, and works for G3s as well as G4s. Thanks. Nice looking little app. Have you (or others) used it when the drive is already partitioned? My first 2 OS X partitions are within the 128GB limit. I am currently running off a Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW/USB which permits lba48, but I wanted to move my 500GB drive to the onboard ATA channel, to see if I get better DVD Player performance. I will also be moving the drive to my incoming Digital Audio Dual 533, and hope I can perform the Overdrive mod and have no issues with my 500GB drive that is already partitioned ... what do you think? Perhaps I should also install my old 80GB as a buffer drive, since I may need to boot into OS 9 (for Firmware Updates only) ... or is that somewhat forbidden after 128GB drives are installed? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AppleJack won't run
On Jun 11, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 11, 2009, at 1:53 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Seems I'm not the only one having problems with Applejack 1.5 on Leopard 10.5.X. Does anyone know of a workaround? The article you cite from Sept. 2008, nearly a year ago, shows AppleJack's Leopard version is 1.5.1, not 1.5. There is no groundswell of people reporting problems like you're having, but perhaps getting version 1.5.1 would be a good start at a possible solution. ditto You also might want to use the AppleJack support page and AppleJack forums for possible answers. I'd suggest uninstalling your old version of AppleJack before upgrading to 1.5.1. Instructions for uninstalling are on the AppleJack support page. I believe 1.5.1 comes downloaded / dressed up as AppleJack-1.5.dmg ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AppleJack won't run
On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:53 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: On Jun 10, 2009, at 11:32 AM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:30 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Tried that. No luck. The actual wordage I get when I key in applejack from Single User Mode is, applejack is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program, or batch file. The first time I got this I reinstalled with no success. Funny, this didn't happen before installing 10.5.7. It's one of several things that are screwy since doing the upgrade. Didn't think to ask ... do you have the most current version of applejack? Just read on MacOSXHints (from a Sept 2008 article): http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080909060410594 I've been waiting on this Pick of the Week for nearly a year -- until very recently, AppleJack wasn't compatible with Leopard. Now that it is, though, it's a great addition to your troubleshooting toolkit. I think its AppleJack-1.5.dmg or v1.5.1 http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ Seems I'm not the only one having problems with Applejack 1.5 on Leopard 10.5.X. Does anyone know of a workaround? George That article is dated Sept 2008 ... if that's what you're referring to? ... I supplied that to encourage looking at what version of applejack you're currently installing, but that seems to be up to date. applejack 1.5 is working on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7 and also on my Yikes! under Tiger 10.4.11. I'm stumped as to why it isn't working on your system. I believe it needs to be installed in a certain place ... but my knowledge is additionally too flaky for me to continue making suggestions ... hope someone else can chime in ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: boot problem after pwr outage
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:35 AM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: I did the Battery-CUDA 30 min- CUDA again and still booted into OF. Maybe its the RAM. Once I get booted from OF with mac-boot into the 80Gig ATA every things seems normal. Except the front Panel on/off button remains brightly lit even after doing shut-down from OF or from the finder. It only goes out when I pull the power plug. If you have a power strip, it might be gentler on the system to use that power off switch. I heard my hard drive sort of crash when I did a similar power off one time ... you know, like the old turn table record player needle dragging across the record ... Somehow that light has a short to a power source. Not having a schematic is a drag. Tomorrow I will try to remove the cover over the Light/Button and see what trouble I can get into. That lite/button is probably driven by a Logic Chip so I don't expect to see much. My Yikes has a circuit board at that location. My air conditioner's circuit board was fried once with a brown out type power surge ... $65 to replace ... FWIW ... It would seem that whenever I apply power by plugging in the power cord the circuitry that expects to see the light off at this time sees it already lit thus corrupting the boot process. What ever normally happens between first ON button push and the final Bright Light when the Boot Process starts is probably not done so because of error the Boot goes directly to OF. Does that make sense? Auto Startup RAM Test? Have you tried reducing the internal hardware setup to a minimal status? Like only have 1 stick of RAM, and no PCI cards? and sort of start over, CUDA/PRAM Reset, rebuilding the hardware add-ons? Maybe then try to run AHT again? Thinking out loud ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AppleJack won't run
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:30 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Tried that. No luck. The actual wordage I get when I key in applejack from Single User Mode is, applejack is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program, or batch file. The first time I got this I reinstalled with no success. Funny, this didn't happen before installing 10.5.7. It's one of several things that are screwy since doing the upgrade. Am currently running applejack again under 10.5.7 with success. I tried just leaving my phantom s and typing applejack ... it just gave ma a simple one-liner something to the effect command not recognized ... then typing applejack again launched the app. Maybe you're not hooked into the partition you installed applejack onto when running in Single User (cmd-s) Mode. Most recent guess ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AppleJack won't run
On Jun 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, insightinmind wrote: On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:30 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Tried that. No luck. The actual wordage I get when I key in applejack from Single User Mode is, applejack is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program, or batch file. The first time I got this I reinstalled with no success. Funny, this didn't happen before installing 10.5.7. It's one of several things that are screwy since doing the upgrade. Didn't think to ask ... do you have the most current version of applejack? Just read on MacOSXHints (from a Sept 2008 article): http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080909060410594 I've been waiting on this Pick of the Week for nearly a year -- until very recently, AppleJack wasn't compatible with Leopard. Now that it is, though, it's a great addition to your troubleshooting toolkit. I think its AppleJack-1.5.dmg or v1.5.1 http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Rember under 10.5.7
Has anyone run Rember 0.3.4b (2007) successfully under 10.5.7? I just tried once and got a kp on trying to run using Quit all applications, Quit Finder Preferences ... Maybe I should go the applejack Memtest route? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
DA Adoption
I've very recently adopted (...) a Digital Audio Dual 533, and am wondering about its audio out. Can't quite wrap my head (or speaker cable) around it. If I google Digital Audio ... well, you see what I mean. Anyone have any suggestions? References? I'd like to be able to simply plug my little external Altec Lansing amp and speakers into an 1/8 socket somewhere, but is that possible on a DA? Thanks. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA Adoption
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: Digital Audio refers to the onboard circuitry, not the type of output. The 1/8 jack that has a picture of the headphones is standard sound out. I run that straight to a pair of powered Altec Lansing desktop speakers with no problems. Len Before posting, I did try to read the manual, and tried LEM and got a lot of good info. Guess where it said don't plug regular, non-Apple speakers in this port, is where I got a little questioning. I thought it said only use Apple USB Speakers ... which confused me ... a smaller than 1/8 plug for that port which I thought they said was digital out. Guess its not S/PDIF as I see some of the later Macs apparently have now? One of the LEM DA pages actually skips mentioning the audio out ... just says there's no mic in. Using the Headphones Out to my desktop speakers is simple enough. Just additionally curious about the rest. Thanks. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AppleJack won't run
On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: AppleJack will not run from safe boot or terminal. I've followed the instructions to the letter, but since installing 10.5.7 it's non- functioning. Any suggestions, other than reinstalling, which I have done. George I had success running it in Single User Mode (not Safe Boot). On Startup or Restart, hold down command-S until you see a sudden outpouring of white text on dark background. And when it asks for applejack, just type in applejack and hit Return ... you may have to backspace once or twice, if the Startup catches your command-S and tries to input those characters. The it runs a bit, and asks for additional options ... I choose a for auto pilot. Let it run all 5 tasks. Then when its finished, follow directions for either Restart or Shutdown. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: boot problem after pwr outage
How about CUDA reset, or removing the battery for awhile, and/or opt- cmd-P-R type of resetting PRAM? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AppleJack won't run
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 10:30 pm -0500 6/9/09, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Tried that. No luck. The actual wordage I get when I key in applejack from Single User Mode is, applejack is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program, or batch file. The first time I got this I reinstalled with no success. Funny, this didn't happen before installing 10.5.7. It's one of several things that are screwy since doing the upgrade. Sorry. I missed that. I run 10.4.11, naturally witrh no problems. P. -- A chess genius is a human being who focuses vast, little-understood mental gift and labors on an ultimately trivial human enterprise. -- George Steiner It is working on my 10.5.7 system. I'm just trying to guess here ... not being one of the gurus ... Maybe you need to do a cmd-opt-P-R to reset PRAM, Startup, then Restart and try running applejack via Single User Mode. You are booting from the same partition that applejack got installed on aren't you? Are you typing in the word applejack, using all lower case letters? Did you make sure there was no s or in front because of holding down cmd-s for too long at restart? its really fast, and happens to me often (the mysterious s) Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:36 AM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again. In switching computers I deleted it. Thanks, George Log onto the G3-G5 Google site ... It should be saved earlier in this thread, but on the G3-G5 Google site: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/ dce5dc5470e66063/6365129f0cf421ab# ... let's see, it starts out as: To try and resolve my Upgrade to 10.5.7 issues, I have since done this, and am currently claiming success: ... and is my Jun 7 entry in this thread. Its basically using applejack's 5 step auto pilot clean-up, in Single User Mode, and OnyX's resetting of Spotlight Index (Spotlight part may not be necessary, but that is what I did along the way), after you're back up running. Here's applejack's link: http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ Here is an article which I found particularly helpful a while ago: 12-Step Program to Isolate Freezes and/or Kernel Panics which I think you can link to via (you may need to join the forum first): http://macsimumnews.com/macosgforums/viewtopic.php?f=40t=800 Hope this helps. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: It is official, we are orphans.
I love my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.7 I will like my new Digital Audio dual 533 (entering the FedEx system, almost) under Tiger 10.4.11 I like my Yikes! oc/d to 450 under Tiger 10.4.11 I liked my Performa I liked my Mac Plus What's an Intel ... Orphans? We're in good company ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: It is official, we are orphans.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:43 PM, insightinmind wrote: I love my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.7 I will like my new Digital Audio dual 533 (entering the FedEx system, almost) under Tiger 10.4.11 I like my Yikes! oc/d to 450 under Tiger 10.4.11 I forgot: I liked my PPC 8500s under Panther and Tiger I liked my 9500 (well the idea) under Panther (but not as much as the 8500s) I liked my Performa I liked my Mac Plus Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: It is official, we are orphans.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Steve R wrote: W! I can't run System 7 on my Intel iMac! Damn Apple! Whaa? looks at Windows 7 Fusion VM to make sure it's not a hallucination I can do that! I think it was sarcasm ... and OS 7 ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Download the 10.5.7 combo updater. INSTALL. Even if you have upgraded. That will resolve all OS issues. I did it on this laptop just a few mins ago. Then go get updated drivers for your 3rd party stuff and/or reinstall. That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my working 10.5.6 OS X. M-Audio has had the same Delta 2496 Audiophile 2.0.8 driver for some time ... their Uninstaller doesn't work in 10.5 (did work in 10.3 and 10.4), and I had to do a manual uninstall. (I recently noticed one of their files ended up in the Trash, maybe after applejack ... a prefs file I think ... and it got recreated on next Startup ... I think this might be a point of investigation ... currently under scrutiny ... maybe M-Audio's no longer creating it correctly on a first time basis? applejack throwing it out fixed things? My system kp's on a first Startup after installing 2.0.8 ... running applejack, then Startup and things seem ok ...). The other part of my installation I did not do according to Precription, is that I am leaving the PCI card in its slot while all this Uninstall/ Install is going on ... I believe that is where my 3rd party driver package / OS X system problem lies ... applejack on autopilot, PRAM Reset, and Spotlight Index Reset, seemed to work it out. What can I say ... I've read up on how Permissions Repair basically does nothing ... sort of ... Thanks for your responses ... I really don't know what is actually going on under the hood ... but I can sense if things are running well ... whatever that means. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A Piece Under the Hood: BootCache.playlist
From my contributions on the 10.5.7 thread ... On my Leopard OS X 10.5.6-7 partition, at another time, I got rid of something called, BootCache.playlist. It was suppose to aid in Startups with a known schedule of items to connect to / load (layman terms), to help speed up the process. It doesn't seem to be back, as far as I can tell. Did I do something bad? I was trying to refresh Startup preferences,, and someone suggested Trashing it. The Console shows an error of not being able to find and connect to it. I have use the 10.5.7 Combo Updater on the 10.5.6 partition. Any way to get it back? not necessary? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Very Stubborn Quicksilver
On Jun 7, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Brian Rule wrote: Thanks again for all the help. The quicksilver has been up and running since Wednesday, I just got iLife installed yesterday. The only issue now seems to be the older drive I'm trying to install from my old BW. I set it up as a slave drive with newer drive as the master. The drive is recognized and I can mount it, but when I've tried to boot into Tiger, which is installed on the slave, I get kernel panics. Is it just not possible to boot from a slave? Brian Might ask if this Tiger partition was from an installation on the BW ... Maybe it doesn't contain everything needed to run in the QS? I've moved partitions like this from a QS 2002 to a Yikes! (and even to a PPC 8500 adding Xpostfacto), and it seems to be working ... but I'm booting from a Master or Cable Select, IIRC. Wait for someone else's response ... I'm thinking out loud here ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Very Stubborn Quicksilver
On Jun 7, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Brian wrote: Well, in order to diagnose the bad RAM I used this same drive and tiger partition to boot the quicksilver several times over the past week, and it worked fine when installed as the master drive. The only problem seems to come about when I try to boot it as a slave drive. According to my PowerMacG4SU.pdf manual (which you can download from Apples site), the drives may need to be set as Cable Select, and not Master/Slave, as long as you have an Apple Cable Select cable (its the short one that appears to have a slice cut out about an 1/8 inch long, 1 wire wide). From the manual: Installing Ultra ATA Drives Your Macintosh can accommodate two internal 1-inch-high ATA devices in the U-shaped drive carrier in drive position 3 in the computer. If your computer has one Ultra ATA device, it sits in the lower portion of this U-shaped drive carrier. You can install a second ATA device in the upper part of the carrier. Note: Contact your device manufacturer or consult the manufacturer’s website to determine if your device is set for cable select mode. Before installation, set the device to cable select mode if the manufacturer hasn’t already done so. Maybe that's the problem ... Disclaimer: Not a Guru here ... just a friendly Guesser ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/7/09 7:48 AM, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net Broadcast into the ether: That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my working 10.5.6 OS X. Did you download it from Apple's site or did you use the software update in your apple menu? Actually, my Software Update was broken in 10.5.6 ... just spun its Aqua Bar ... so (as was suggested by others): http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/ macosx1057comboupdate.html Software Update's working again in 10.5.7 ... just updated iTunes, Quicktime, Airport, and iLife via same. 10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in OS X thing someone shared awhile back ... just specific to my setup using a 3rd party M-Audio v2.0.8: driver/apps/Unix Exec code helper files/etc. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 6, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+ They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items. THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their / Library/Receipts bom files. So ... when someone does a Combo update like 10.5.7, and the resulting system acts as I described above in my hijacking of this thread, what gives? (bluescreen freeze, and kps when trying to access the Dock early in a Startup (mds seems to be running, too). Is it having the ATI Radeon 9800Pro installed when doing the Combo update, it not being an original Apple video card like the Geforce4MX?. I'm currently running applejack in auto pilot mode, prior to re- installing the M-Audio drivers, thinking that may straighten things out first. Doing a few Startups and Restarts as tests. Have also used OnyX to Reset Spotlight Index. Another time, I did rid of something, I think called, BootCacheHelper.plist (thats not the name, but the idea). It was suppose to aid in Startups with a known schedule of items to connect to / load (layman terms), to help speed up the process. It doesn't seem to be back, as far as I can tell. Did I do something bad? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/6/09 11:02 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Broadcast He's right. Bruce hates the overuse of Permissions Repair as the magical solution (remember the cuda button days?) as much as I do. I am an apple Certified Technician. I to it for a living. Bruce is right. As he almost always isdidn't I get you with 1 wrong answer? Or semi-wrong? Kyle Hansen To try and resolve my Upgrade to 10.5.7 issues, I have since done this, and am currently claiming success: 1. Manually/otherwise Uninstall M-Audio (3rd party) components. 2. Restart in Single User Mode and Run applejack in *a*uto pilot mode (multistep sequence: Repairs Disk, Repairs Permissions, Clears Virtual Memory, clears caches, checks validity of preference files, etc, IIRC) 3. Shutdown, Rest, and Startup, allowing 3rd party-free system to stabilize (see Activity Monitor settle - allow Spotlight (mds) to finish, kextcache, find, etc to conclude). 4. Test system by Shutdown, Rest, and Startup. 5. Install M-Audio (3rd party) components, Restart until you can Shutdown. 6. Startup in Single User Mode and Run applejack in *a*uto pilot mode (multistep sequence) 7. Shutdown and let rest. 8. Startup resetting PRAM using opt-command-P-R Somewhere along the way I also used OnyX to Reset Spotlight Index, since part of the issues may be related to corrupt Spotlight files. Letting Spotlight finish has become something to watch out for, before using a freshly Startup'ed system, and / or before Restarting. Trying to trust the OS X 10.5.7 system that appears to be working as of the typing of this line ... just Startup'ed very cleanly after being down for a few hours. If others have success with this idea, please comment. Thanks I may return to 10.5.6 until the techno-dust settles ... I made a CCC 3.2.1 clone of it before upgrading to 10.5.7 ... A bunch of folks on Apple Discussions, are complaining about this upgrade ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
lba48 Support in a Yikes!?
Does the lba48 Open Firmware mod work in a Yikes! (Tiger 10.4.11)? As suggested on other LEM threads, i tried the suggested sequence, but couldn't get it to work using the commands on: http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48- support-on-the-g4-cube-with-leopard/ I repeat the process here for ease of responses: * * * * Reboot or Power up your Cube (G4) * Hold down Command + Option + O + F simultaneously as soon as the reboot starts. You should now be at the Open Firmware prompt. * Type in the following, exactly. Please note that the Underscore “_” is used to indicate a space. nvedit dev_hd dev_.. ___lba-48_property device-end * Press Ctrl+C to exit from nvedit. nvstore setenv_use-nvramrc?_true reset-all That’s it. Now boot up and go to “About My Mac” to confirm the disk size. * * * Am I missing something? Is ___lba-48_property to be typed with all the quotes? Might resetting PRAM be a good idea prior to trying this? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Overheating PB/G4 1.67
On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Maretta Holden wrote: Hi - I have a 15 PB/G4 1.67 running Mac OS X 10.4.11. Last night when I was working late, I noticed that my keyboard was hotter than I have experienced before. (The hot area extends from the screen, through the space bar, to the top of the trackpad.) The PowerBook sits on a stand that provides a 1 airspace at the back to allow air circulation. I went online to request a local Apple Store Genius Bar appointment. I took it in this morning - they ran a 30 minute hardware test and responded that no hardware problem(s) were found. I am now typing on a keyboard much hotter than yesterday evening ... Has anyone else had a similar problem and suggestions for what might be wrong and what I should do about it. I really do not want to 'downgrade' to a MacBook with a glossy screen, potentially no FireWire, and running Leopard ... :-( - Maretta I really know nothing about PBs ... but is a rechargeable battery a contributor to heat? Didn't some of them go bad awhile ago? I might be thinking about some other brand of powerbook ... just thought I'd respond. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Data / File Corruption Detector
My G4s are experiencing data corruption issues: the QS 2002 Dual is (not always) spinning its rainbow beach ball while I try to Finder copy a particular file across my network, and the target machine, my Yikes! tries to DVD Player the copied VIDEO_TS file (which is evidently corrupt at a repeatable point), and freezes the entire OS X Tiger 10.4.11 system. Replacing the VIDEO_TS file with a fresh MacTheRipper one cures the Yikes! Tiger freezing issue. The one on the QS Leopard machine might be a CCC of the corrupt one, having become corrupt due to a series of lba48 related trials and tribulations on my Yikes!. I may also have other issues with the replaced QS mobo, and / or a Seagate 750GB 7200.10, as I have experienced Finder freezes at seemingly random points in time lately. My Seagate 750 and 500 drives are about a year old from purchase date (Frys for the 750, and Circuit City for the 500). I'm suspecting Spotlight is raising data corrupted files ugly heads? ... making them show up while the system is trying to function elsewhere? ... is that possible? Is there a method of determining corruption of data on a hard drive partition? Perhaps a method of comparing an original file with a copy that may have become corrupt? I would prefer an app that would scan an entire partition and be able to determine if the files are good ... sounding a bit too general as I type. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DVD Player freeze ...
On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:20 AM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 2, 2009, at 6:47 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: Yet another factor is just plain ol' dirt. Actually, I believe its a simple copied file from the original DVD of a Chris Botti CD/DVD combo. A clone plays fine on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... just having problems on my Yikes! 450 with ATI Radeon 9200, Sonnet Trio, and a 500GB Seagate. IIRC, it played OK when I was using the onboard ATA channel, an 80GB Seagate, and an ATI Radeon 7000ME. Is there some way to accelerate the ATI Radeon 9200? I thought I read somewhere something to that effect. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DVD Player freeze ...
On Jun 2, 2009, at 3:39 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: PeterH wrote: On Jun 2, 2009, at 6:47 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: Thanks ... but this really isn't about the physical DVDs at this point ... original copy to hard drive seems to have been good. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DVD Player freeze ...
On Jun 2, 2009, at 3:40 PM, insightinmind wrote: Thanks ... but this really isn't about the physical DVDs at this point ... original copy to hard drive seems to have been good. May have spoke too soon ... I had a problem with that 128GB HD lba48 limit when I first installed the Trio and 500GB Seagate into my Yikes!. After solving that issue by updating the Sonnet Trio's firmware, I thought I possibly had corrupted the area where that particular DVD had been stored (it was in the partition that got corrupted). After replacing the freezing Botti DVD To Love Again using MacTheRipper, my system doesn't freeze at that same point anymore ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Safari 4 bloat
Is this: On May 29, 2009, at 5:57 AM, MaGioZal wrote: Re: [G3-5]Re: Safari 4 bloat the same topic as: Re: Safari 4 bloat ??? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: External HD noy showing up on Desktop
On May 28, 2009, at 10:08 AM, jim wrote: Hello, Suddenly, after a couple power outages that shut my computer down, the External HD doesn't show up on my desktop. I have an old iMac G3 600 running OSX. I went to Dick Utility and it is listed. When I click on the icon, no commands highlight. I have verified and repaired my start up disk. Any ideas? Thanks Jim Search for a procedure to rekindle an external FW drive. I believe there's one on Apple's site. Other members here know what I'm referring to ... just don't have full focus to search for it ... good luck. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating Max OS X 10.4.11
On May 28, 2009, at 7:47 PM, smac0031 wrote: and some other upgrades but now it tells me I have nothing to upgrade. I don't understand. How far does 10.4 go? 10.3 is Panther (10.3.9 top level) 10.4 is Tiger (10.4.11 top level) 10.5 is Leopard (10.5.7 current top level) There was a Security Update for 10.4.11 recently, as well as a Safari and maybe iTunes, components of each OS X. But 10.4.11 was the last major system upgrade for 10.4. You cannot do a 10.4.6 upgrade to a 10.4.11. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: UPS's
On May 26, 2009, at 8:53 PM, diane wrote: At 3:01 PM -0700 5/26/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: Heck, if you need more outlets, just plug a power strip into the UPS. So long as you don't exceed the rating of the unit, the number of items plugged in is irrelevant. APC cautions against this because of the temptation toplug every damn thing in, but with modern Mac systems, after the CPU, everythign else is relatively inconsequential. Come on! I never would have considered that. The old don't plug a strip into a strip rule. That may work then, the extras are things like the brick for the iPod, phone charger, little things like that. I thought I read somewhere that this could cancel some protective measure of a power strip ... or introduce some kind of electrical noise into a line ... maybe that was only for audio equipment? ... I do it though ... just gave myself the restriction of don't power on everything at once ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...
On May 25, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 5/24/09 11:17 AM, Tommy honik...@sbcglobal.net Broadcast into the ether: I'll never purchase a Seagate hard drive again. In the world of computing that would be a very bad thing to do. Western Digital used to make crap hard drives and now they make some really good ones. I can give tens of examples of companies that made a bad product then fixed it and continued to develop that line. I just bought two seagates yesterday. This firmware MINOR issue is all over mac websites and even knowing that I went and bought the 2 I wanted. Because they make very good hard drives. And they will no doubt continue to do so. I'm still sticking with Seagates, too. My problem was not a firmware issue on the Seagate 750GB. The 750GBs don't fall into that firmware faulty 1TB+ series, AFAIK. I had a 10.5.7 update problems ... after fixing a corrupt partition, I went back to a clone of my 10.5.6 OS X, and everything seems fine now ... stable. I was even getting that flashing ? at the Startup when trying to use the 10.5.7 Combo Update on top of my original 10.5.7. That doesn't occur under 10.5.6. Don't think I'm going to retry the suggested update path as given under the thread 10.5.7 just yet, with Repair Permissions on the 10.5.6 before updating using the Combo, than repair permissions again ... maybe after a good nap. I'm a little paranoid ... but I think Apple is trying to get us all to abandon our PPCs and go Intel, with the 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 (5: 6 - 7) update ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...
On May 26, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, insightinmind wrote: My problem was not a firmware issue on the Seagate 750GB. The 750GBs don't fall into that firmware faulty 1TB+ series, AFAIK. This firmware issue wasn't limited to 1TB+ drives. I've got two 500GB included in the problems that I've still never updated because the update may be destructive and so far I've experienced no issues. I notice 5 models of 750GB drives in this list. Here is the complete list of models covered: Thanks, Kris. Turns out mine are PATA drives from the 7200.10 series. A 750GB (ST3750640A) (and a 500GB (ST3500630A)). I don't think either are in the defective firmware lineup. I'm no longer experiencing issues on my QS since returning to 10.5.6. I believe it started because of a my overzealous upgrading to 10.5.7, experimenting with a flaky adaptec USB2/FW card, and trying to use CCC 3.2.1 over my Network. The combination created a bad partition directory on my 750GB. After correcting that, removing the adaptec card, and returning to 10.5.6 ... all is well. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...
On May 24, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Tommy wrote: I have a Seagate 1 tb external that disappeared. I sent it back to Seagate then learned that it may have been recoverable with a firmware update from Seagate. Check out their website, it is a bit cumbersome, but you may be able to save your data. I'll never purchase a Seagate hard drive again. Everything's fine. I had caused the corruption of one of my partitions since when writing to it over my Network, using CCC, the Target machine froze because of a flaky adaptec FW/USB card I was trying to force make work. I had also just upgraded to 10.5.7, which was way too much stuff going on at once ... too many changes in the system. I eventually got Disk Utility to recognize it and repair the partition. Seagate drives are the best IMHO. They just went through a rough transition when making larger drives. Seem to be getting back to normal, or nearly so. Thanks for your input. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...
Also think part of my problem is that I don't wait long enough before Restart when I make software/hardware changes to my system. Spotlight (mds) doesn't finish sometimes, and I might be screwing things up by Restarting too fast. Then there's the thing called Find which has nobody floating along with it in the Activity Monitor. I've taken to waiting until things settle down before trying a Restart. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 24, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Dumb question: Where do I get the combo update? I downloaded mine by choosing Software Update in the apple pull down menu. (not dumb ... its seems hidden to me) Currently its located at: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/ macosx1057comboupdate.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...
On May 23, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 22, 2009, at 11:35 PM, insightinmind wrote: My QS doesn't have PCIE ... Try a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it boots, restart normally and everything should be OK. If you can't Safe Boot or it panics after the Safe Boot, then reinstall the 10.5.7 Combo Update and try again. If that fails . . . start over or go to backup. Do you think my kp had to do with the 10.5.7 update and my machine not being reset? A Safe Boot being the tool to reset it? I might also try doing the AppleJack auto sequence now that my drive is back ... I removed the adaptec AUA-3020A NEC Chipset D720101GJ USB2/FW PCI card, thinking I had just lucked out that it seemed to be working under 10.5.6 (and my new replacement mobo), but after the 10.5.7 update, the next cold boot gave me the kp. Maybe I'll put it back, and do the Safe Boot and see what happens next ... didn't someone mention this chipset and that it had been verified under OS X 10.5 as working on the xlr8yourmac.com site? I couldn't find it there ... I was doing the CCC writing to the Docs partition, from its clone that I had changed Ownership on, so I thought that might have been a part of the eventual freeze ... but maybe not. The Bombich Forum hasn't responded to my CCC inquiry there: http://forums.bombich.com/viewtopic.php?t=14382 Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 23, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Rory wrote: Externals plugged into the front headphone jack. I guess I should have mentioned that the back audio jack has half of an 3.5mm jack broken off in it, but this had never been in an issue before in the year or so that I have been using it regularly. I would probably suspect this as the cause of flaky audio. As time goes by, the jacks/inserts also corrode, ever so slightly, causing poor connections and audio drops ... corrosion even while plugged in, especially if the atmosphere is polluted ... so it could change while sitting perfectly still ... I even get this on my Mackie Pro audio board ... gold plated connectors avoid this. And I live in a small town, limited pollution (still on the planet Earth, though) ... except for the pollen ... Unplugging and plugging it back in, sometimes cleans things up ... although you say its broken off inside ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?
On May 23, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I don't know of a similar check for Core Image other than trying something that requires Core Image, there are several screensavers that use Core Image effects which wouldn't work if the Radeon 7000 was killing it in the 9800 Pro. Concerning Core Image Check, I believe adding a Widget to the Dashboard will give the water ripple effect if Core Image is working? I's like to know of some other checks if someone could e-mail me offlist. Thanks Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...
My QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7 just lost its ATA drive (an internal Seagate 750GB). It has the following configuration: AGP 1 ATI Radeon 9800 Pro PCI 3 M-Audio 2496 Audio card PCI 5 adaptec FW/USB2 Duoconnect NEC D720101GJ After being shutdown for awhile, I started up and got a KP, then restarted and all seemed ok. Was doing a CCC 3.2.1 from my Yikes! over the network to the QS ... Docs to /Volumes/Docs , was going ok, and it froze. Then on Restart, no ATA drive. Tried OS X Install DVD Disk Utility which showed no ATA. Removed the adaptec card, pushed cuda, still no ATA drive. I don't have anything like Disk Warrior. Would removing the drive, putting it in an external case, allow me better access? Any free Disk Utilities I could download onto my Yikes! and try to repair it in an external case? Ideas welcomed. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...
On May 22, 2009, at 11:22 PM, insightinmind wrote: My QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.7 just lost its ATA drive (an internal Seagate 750GB). ... Was doing a CCC 3.2.1 from my Yikes! over the network to the QS ... Docs to /Volumes/Docs , was going ok, and it froze. This may have corrupted the /Volumes/Docs directory or a part thereof. I modifed Ownership on my Source Docs and this may have caused issues on writing modified files to the Target. Then on Restart, no ATA drive. Tried OS X Install DVD Disk Utility which showed no ATA. Removed the adaptec card, pushed cuda, still no ATA drive. I don't have anything like Disk Warrior. Would removing the drive, putting it in an external case, allow me better access? Any free Disk Utilities I could download onto my Yikes! and try to repair it in an external case? Doing so, only the 1st 128GB showed up, and the Docs partition was dimmed. So I put it back into the QS, and used a different ATA cable connector plug (one closest to the drive's connection). The drive now showed up, and a Disk Utility Repair on Docs corrected the problem. Still got a KP on Startup ... now wondering if 10.5.7 has introduced something new. It listed PCIESlotCheck, and gave a list of kexts that had loaded: Interval Since Last Panic Report: 444 sec Panics Since Last Report: 1 Anonymous UUID:3AD09A54-2A5B-43B5-AC2B-D49280DC4024 Sat May 23 00:14:50 2009 Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 1): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x004F7740 PC=0x0031E360 Latest crash info for cpu 1: Exception state (sv=0x30202c80) PC=0x0031E360; MSR=0x9030; DAR=0x004F7740; DSISR=0x4000; LR=0x0031E334; R1=0x311B3B30; XCP=0x000C (0x300 - Data access) Backtrace: 0x0031E314 0x0031E5C4 0x0033C98C 0x00346750 0x00344DFC 0x0034511C 0x0037BB48 0x0008F7F4 0x0002C100 0x00024B58 0x000B45CC 0x Proceeding back via exception chain: Exception state (sv=0x30202c80) previously dumped as Latest state. skipping... Exception state (sv=0x2fc62c80) PC=0x947701F8; MSR=0xF030; DAR=0xA0236F68; DSISR=0x4000; LR=0x94777120; R1=0xB5D0; XCP=0x0030 (0xC00 - System call) BSD process name corresponding to current thread: PCIESlotCheck Mac OS version: 9J61 Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 9.7.0: Tue Mar 31 22:54:29 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.12.14~1/RELEASE_PPC System model name: PowerMac3,5 System uptime in nanoseconds: 56855051939 unloaded kexts: (none) loaded kexts: com.midiman.driver.MAudioDeltaHT2.0.8 - last loaded 1385984149 com.midiman.driver.MAudioDelta 2.0.8 com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver 2.6.0 com.apple.filesystems.autofs2.0.2 com.apple.driver.DiskImages 199 com.apple.driver.AppleTexasAudio2.5.8f1 com.apple.driver.AppleTexas2Audio 2.5.8f1 com.apple.driver.AudioIPCDriver 1.0.6 com.apple.ATIRadeon9700 5.4.4 com.apple.driver.AppleThermal 1.0.1f2 com.apple.driver.AppleI2S 1.0.1f1 com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOpticalMouse 3.2.0 com.apple.driver.AppleSCCSerial 1.3.2 com.apple.iokit.AppleGMACEthernet 1.5.7f1 com.apple.driver.AppleDACAAudio 2.5.8f1 com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireIP1.7.7 com.apple.driver.AppleDallasDriver 2.5.8f1 com.apple.driver.InternalModemSupport 2.4.0 com.apple.driver.AppleFileSystemDriver 1.1.0 com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub 3.4.3 com.apple.driver.iTunesPhoneDriver 1.0 com.apple.driver.PioneerSuperDrive 2.0.7 com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient 2.0.9 com.apple.driver.XsanFilter 2.7.91 com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub3.4.0 com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient 3.3.1 com.apple.driver.ApplePMU 2.5.6d2 com.apple.iokit.IOATAPIProtocolTransport1.5.2 com.apple.iokit.IOATABlockStorage 2.0.5 com.apple.driver.AppleVIA 1.5.1d1 com.apple.iokit.AppleMediaBay 1.0.2f1 com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA1.1.1f1 com.apple.driver.AppleMPIC 1.5.3 com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI3.8.2 com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI 3.3.5 com.apple.driver.AppleKeyLargo 1.7.2f1 com.apple.driver.AppleI2C 4.0.0d2 com.apple.driver.AppleMacRiscPCI3.4.0 com.apple.driver.AppleCore99NVRAM 1.1.1 com.apple.security.seatbelt 107.12 com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall 1.6.77 com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet 3 com.apple.BootCache 30.4 com.apple.driver.AppleMacRISC2PE1.8.7d5 com.apple.driver.ndrv.ATY,Apache.0x1a42cd38 1.0.1f89 com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport 1.7.3 com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily1.7.3 com.apple.driver.AudioI2SControl2.5.8f1 com.apple.driver.Apple02Audio 2.5.8f1 com.apple.driver.Apple02DBDMAAudio 2.5.8f1 com.apple.iokit.IOAudioFamily 1.6.9fc3 com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib1.1 com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily 1.6.1 com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily 9.4 com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver 3.2.2 com.apple.driver.AppleUSBComposite 3.2.0 com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMp Sent it off to Apple. My QS doesn't
Re: My Ethernet Duel G4 want start after updating.
But another question, how can I boot up with the drive I want without using a external disk repair utility to select. Is their a way? choice Are you asking for methods for starting up from external drives? I believe Shift-Opt-Command-Delete when starting up, asks the system to startup from an external disk, or alternate partition (like a Classic OS 9 partition). Xpostfacto can also be used to Startup, using the internal disk as a Helper, resulting in the external disk being booted from ... I think that's the way it goes. It does create a boot cache of some sort, which may complicate things if you return to normal boot mode. I can use that technique to Startup from external FW drives on my Yikes!, where ordinarily I cannot boot from external FW or USB drives at all on the Yikes!. I believe you could also Startup from the CD or DVD Install Disk, and use Startup Disk in the Utilities menu to redirect to an external drive. I might be off in the names of the Install disk menues/items, but you get what I mean. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?
On May 18, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: adaptec Duoconnect AUA-3020A USB 2.0 / FW400 PCI card alongside my M-Audio 2496 PCI audio card. Has an NEC chipset if I read the right chip on the card before inserting it: NEC Japan D720 101GT (error) Correction: NEC D720101GJ is the number on the NEC chip, as someone reported in a recent reply about their NEC card. Seems to be working under Leopard 10.5.7. I had a Nikon Coolscan 5000 (and/or Kodak 6-In-1), Olympus Voice Recorder, and Yamaha motif es8 USB/MIDI all connected and they communicated fine along with iTunes blaring away through the adjacent M-Audio 2496 PCI card. I do not use Sleep, as the M-Audio doesn't support it ... and also I always try to turn off all devices, and/or drag them to the Disconnect before I shut down. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flash Drive Issue
On May 18, 2009, at 11:49 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
I have a Sony monitor that has 4 USB ports on it.
Earlier tonight I stuck a 3rd flash drive in and it came up (name
shown: Kingston I). I saved 2 files to it and was saving a 3rd when I
saw a message saying something about it being removed and the files
might be messed up {I forget the exact message}. Problem isI did
NOT remove it.
What might have caused this? Is there some reason I cannot put 4 USB
Flash Drives on this thing?
Is that port a bit loose? I have one on my QS ... whatever's plugged
in needs to stay very still ... otherwise its a bit flaky ...
Bill Connelly
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Re: Best Browser for iBook G4
At 11:33 AM -0700 5/14/2009, Patrick Moore wrote: Safari is, for the most part, much faster than the Mozilla browsers (Firefox, Camino, etc). My Safari gets stuck whenever I try to just quit it, if its busy trying to complete some task ... being there are seemingly gobs of tasks to perform when surfing sites ... that's pretty much always. I also find it slower than Firefox. Don't really have time to try to debug it. I use a Mac because I need Word for my work (no, I can't use Open Office, tho' I wish I could) Try NeoOffice. It's a mac-specific version of OpenOffice. NeoOffice is working for me, too. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Browser for iBook G4
On May 15, 2009, at 5:30 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 15, 2009, at 3:55 AM, insightinmind wrote: My Safari gets stuck whenever I try to just quit it, Sounds abnormal. Are you using Safari Version 4 Public Beta (5528.17)? If not, install it: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/ It's faster and completely stable as far as I can tell. Don't mean to hijack this thread ... but, No ... I have Version 3.2.1 (4525.27.1) under Tiger 10.4.11. It seems to be quitting ok today ... I probably should not have responded, since I'm running off a Yikes! G4, not an iBook. Apologies. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On May 15, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On May 12, 7:33 pm, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: I have a gigabit 450 dual, I installed a second hard drive on. The original drive, a 20 gig, has OSX 10.4 installed, while the second drive, a 60 gig, has OSX10.2, OS10.3, and OS9.2 installed on three partitions. The OSes were installed while the drive was in a B W. I can boot into the 10.2 and 10.3 partitions fine from OS 10.4, but 9.2 will not start. I attempted to reinstall OS 9 by booting from its install cd, but the computer can only see the 20 gig drive booting from cd -- the 60 gig drive is invisible. I have the second drive jumpered as a slave in the system. Any ideas how I can make the 60 gig visible from a cd boot so I can reinstall OS9? Maybe need to make a jumper change on the drives? Need help from the experts on this list. Not an expert but ... Here's an article on the subject: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1815 Looks like you need a Master / Slave jumper setting configuration. Is the primary drive set as Master? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
QS 2002 Dual 1GHz w/ replacement mobo. Update from 10.5.6 went well after manual download of non-Combo package ... ~6-7 minutes installation time, and 2 auto Restarts. Xbench 1.3 may have dropped ~1% overall score. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Benchmarking Apps?
On May 14, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Dale Hoffman wrote: Billy Carmacs mentioned benchmarking in the update 10.5.7 thread. What benchmark apps are folks using? Thanks, Dale Hoffman I've used Xbench 1.3 to check overall response of different OS Xs on different machines. I can compare it to other's machines on their Xbench site as well. Geekbench is available, too, for OS X 10.4 and 10.5. If I remember correctly, the same machine setup (my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz) ran 10-15% slower using Leopard 10.5.6, as compared to Tiger 10.4.11. I didn't dissect the different scores to see where this occurred ... its been awhile since I noticed such a dramatic decrease. IIRC, Tiger runs faster than Panther. I might go back and see what's up ... as I now have a new mobo in the QS, and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro with both Tiger 10.4.11 and Leopard 10.5.7 installed. Panther's no longer on the scene, though. Just need to make sure Spotlight has finished indexing, or results will be be wronged ... as well as any other background processes ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shuffling SATA PATA HDs in Yikes! and QS 2002
On May 7, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Clark Martin wrote: insightinmind wrote: I need a new HD for my Yikes! 80GB one, and prefer Seagates. I could move my 500GB drive from my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, to my Yikes! which now has a Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW/USB PCI card in it (large drive supported). Then replace my drive in the QS with a 1TB Seagate 7200.12 plus a SATA controller (either Sonnet Tech or FirmTek). I also researched 7200.11 vs 7200.12 ... still up in the air about this new development. Any experience with this idea and details? I could just simply locate a large PATA drive for my Yikes! and be satisfied with that change, although the larger ones seem to be over priced relative to SATA ... just was thinking, since I'm upgrading a bit, why not go a bit further and start sampling SATAs? I'd go with SATA. Wait a minute, I DID go with SATA. I have a SATA controller and two SATA drives (.75 and 1 Tb) in my DA server. Since the QS supports large PATA directly I'd leave the 500 Gb in it unless you need more room. I just wish the SATA controllers were cheaper (as in as cheap as the same card for WinTel). I might also consider adding the NewerTech ministack v2.5 with a Seagate SATA 1TB for my external backup drive (about the same price as a SeriTek SATA Controller and Seagate SATA 1TB. Move my current 750GB external PATA into my QS 2002 (utilizing the internal ATA channel large drive support) and my current 500GB QS internal PATA to my Yikes! (using my Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW/USB for large drive support). That way I would have a USB/FW hub for my QS Music/Painting Studio and a great large external drive for backups. Would leave my Mercury Elite FW/USB enclosure empty for a stray harddrive ... maybe the 80GB Seagate PATA that is in the Yikes! that's still working, but is 4 years old. Comments/insights welcomed. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shuffling SATA PATA HDs in Yikes! and QS 2002
On May 8, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Bill wrote: My uses include: Growing Jazz Library of Videos and CDs: Video storage and display, CD storage and retrieval, Sibelius Music score use, Ableton's Live recording and playback. Backup to attached 750GB FW external drive, among other things. Also scanning of transparencies of nature scenes, scans of artwork, and artsite library. Probably will need the storage over the speed. This is on the Yikes? Then yeah, I'd get the SATA set up. If it's going to keep expanding then next time you'll end up with a SATA for sure so you might as well get started now. No ... my Yikes! is network linked to my QS where all my backups are also linked. The Yikes! is being used next to my acoustic piano, and the QS is used for all that listed above, plus my major recording efforts with an attached digital piano/sequencer (when I finally get back to that). The Yikes! is too slow for all that, and I use it most of the time for monitoring my rehearsals prior to recording on the QS, for e-mails, internet researches, etc. My 500GB drive on the QS is approaching full status ... so I thought it would be advantageous all around to up its capacity. Currently a 750GB external is used to TM back up the QS 500GB (plus CCC of my Yikes! 80GB). If I go 1TB internal on the QS, shouldn't I expect a need for a larger external? That's where I need to think a bit more. I was thinking of just adding 250GB as follows: 500 to 750 (QS internal) 750 to 1TB (QS external) (NewerTech plus Seagate) 80 to 500 (Yikes! internal) ... 250GB isn't adding whole lot though, is it? Thanks for your comments. Apologies to the G3-G5 list if this is a bit astray from its purpose, or just plain boring ;-) ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Shuffling SATA PATA HDs in Yikes! and QS 2002
I need a new HD for my Yikes! 80GB one, and prefer Seagates. I could move my 500GB drive from my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, to my Yikes! which now has a Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW/USB PCI card in it (large drive supported). Then replace my drive in the QS with a 1TB Seagate 7200.12 plus a SATA controller (either Sonnet Tech or FirmTek). I also researched 7200.11 vs 7200.12 ... still up in the air about this new development. Any experience with this idea and details? I could just simply locate a large PATA drive for my Yikes! and be satisfied with that change, although the larger ones seem to be over priced relative to SATA ... just was thinking, since I'm upgrading a bit, why not go a bit further and start sampling SATAs? Comments welcomed. OWCs site has the following offerings: Seagate 1TB SATA 7200.11: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ ST31000333AS/ Seagate 1TB SATA 7200.12: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ ST3100528AS/ FirmTek: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/ (2yr Warranty) SonnetTech: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/TSATA/ (1yr Warranty) Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shuffling SATA PATA HDs in Yikes! and QS 2002
On May 7, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I also have a QS with a 320Gb PATA in it. I can't seem to find these (PATA drives by Seagate). Any hints where to look these days for PATA or IDE Seagate 7200.11s? On the other hand I'd sort of want the larger capacity and faster drives in the faster computer. It depends on what you are doing with them. My uses include: Growing Jazz Library of Videos and CDs: Video storage and display, CD storage and retrieval, Sibelius Music score use, Ableton's Live recording and playback. Backup to attached 750GB FW external drive, among other things. Also scanning of transparencies of nature scenes, scans of artwork, and artsite library. Probably will need the storage over the speed. I suppose if I could find a good source for PATA drives, I might go that route one more time. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
