Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Dan wrote: > > At 12:04 PM -0400 10/28/2008, Wilton Shaw wrote: >> I looked under "Partition Map Scheme" and it says "Master Boot >> Record". >> Is this right or wrong? > > Apple Partion Map is *required* to boot PowerPC based Macs. > > Intel-based Macs use GID. > > Windoze uses Master Boot Record. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth > Thanks Wilton > > > Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
At 12:04 PM -0400 10/28/2008, Wilton Shaw wrote: >I looked under "Partition Map Scheme" and it says "Master Boot Record". >Is this right or wrong? Apple Partion Map is *required* to boot PowerPC based Macs. Intel-based Macs use GID. Windoze uses Master Boot Record. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 27, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: > >>> I installed my new external HD, partitioned it into two partitions, >>> made the first one the same size as my internal drive (80gb ). I >>> called it "MAC HD BACKUP" and copied my internal HD on to it, using >>> SuperDuper which then supposedly made it bootable. When I went to >>> System Preferences and clicked on startup disks it did not show up. > >>> What happened? > > Perhaps you're new HD was the wrong format? I believe you're on an > eMac, meaning you'd need the PPC format to boot successfully, it's the > one called "Apple Partition Scheme". Since you're running Leopard, I > believe that Leopard's default format for Disk Utility is "GUID > Partition Scheme" which is what the Intel Macs use. If you simply > partitioned a OEM HD it likely was formatted as "FAT32" which is a > Windows format. > > I'd make sure the partition format is correct. To check, open Disk > Utility, highlight the HD and go the the "Partition" tab. The current > partition format should be shown at the bottom under "Partition Map > Scheme". If it is correct, then your clone likely failed. Try Carbon > Copy Cloner in "block mode". If it'd not correct, you'll need to start > again by repartitioning the HD using the correct "Apple Partition > Scheme". > > I looked under "Partition Map Scheme" and it says "Master Boot > Record". Is this right or wrong? > > --~--~- Wilton > ~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's > G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - > with a particular focus on Power Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en > Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml > -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- > Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > 2008/10/28 Kris Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: >> I installed my new external HD, partitioned it into two partitions, made the first one the same size as my internal drive (80gb ). I called it "MAC HD BACKUP" and copied my internal HD on to it, using SuperDuper which then supposedly made it bootable. When I went to System Preferences and clicked on startup disks it did not show up. >> What happened? > > It is a Firewire drive, isn't it? PowerPC Macs generally won't boot > from USB. > It is a Firewire Drive. > -- > Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 > AOL/AIM/iChat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • MSN/Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • Skype: liamproven • ICQ: 73187508 > > > Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
At 4:13 PM -0400 10/28/2008, Al Poulin wrote: >Are the TM and TC less prone to problems in a home environment than >in the office with multiple users? Doubtful. The issue is bugs in TM. Time Machine is just, IMO, not fully baked yet. Good to play with but until it's totally dependable, your real backups should be done with *known* *proven* products such as SuperDuper or CarbonCopyCloner, etc. >At home, what can users do to minimize risk where any two of four >Macs may be running >simultaneously? Should we manage the use to only one Mac at a time? Time Capsule is a nice all-in-one appliance - wireless router, disk server, print server. Very usable in a home environment, to a point... That point... is the balance between the need for convenience, the need for speed, and the need for reliability. Convenience: All-in-One with a nice GUI. LAN to TC speed: An 802.11n wi-fi connection to a TC HD is *at best* 50 to 60 Mbps *IF* it's perfect, minus whatever bandwidth you're using for your internet traffic. Wired is better, 1 Gbps *IF* your Mac and the switches and such in your home support it. Most home networks run at 100 Mb. ... An external HD plugged directly into your Mac would run at 480 Mbps (FW400) or 800 Mbps (FW800) or up to 3 Gbps (eSATA) --- WAY faster than anything via TC because there's no afp overhead. Reliability: Apple says "server grade hard drive" in their specs. Um... Server grade drives are designed to NOT be spun up/down much. Does that mean the drive therein doesn't sleep? Your backup is spinning 24/7? And they have ultra fast interfaces. I guess the fast interface is silly because TC has no way to put the data out to you that quickly. And Apple agrees - their idea of "server grade" is just a normal SATA drive. $500 for a TC with a $100 (retail!!!) 1 TB HD. We're talking about a shared environment here, with something like Time Machine that drive will fill up FAST. Then what? Add external drives? But the TC only has a single USB port, so even with hubs it's bandwidth limited. I donno. The more I write this, the more I'm thinking folx would be better off building their own disk server with an old PM G3 or G4 and a SATA card. Use the home router provided by your broadband ISP for the rest. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
On Oct 28, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > > Thank you Bruce and Dan. So TM/C, both of them, are mixed blessings, > best summarized as flakey. > > On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: > >> == 3 of 3 == >> Date: Mon, Oct 27 2008 5:09 pm >> From: Dan >> >> 0. TM spins violently if stopped suddenly. This leaves you quite >> vulnerable to Morlock attacks. > > In this plain-English paragraph where enumeration begins with an > ADPish "0," I saw mystery until Google and Wikipedia cited Marvel > Comics and H. G. Wells. Stupid me! Anyway, I take it that Morlock > attacks in TM are not a specific, known type of technical failure. > I'm going to peek into Apple's fora. > > Are the TM and TC less prone to problems in a home environment than in > the office with multiple users? At home, what can users do to > minimize risk where any two of four Macs may be running > simultaneously? Should we manage the use to only one Mac at a time? Well, we're all on the 3rd floor here, so Morlocks are less of an issue. Too much daylight to contend with :-) I have no experience with Time Capsule, only Time Machine with attached FW drives servicing a single computer. In those situations, I've had no issues. I have all my systems plugged into decent UPS'es, so I've had no drive failures so far. Based on communications with my users (I've asked them specifically) they're not seeing the problems that Dan is seeing. I've gotten occasional notices that the backup failed, but running it again manually fixed the issue. I've recovered files from the backup, so so far the drives haven't been being corrupted. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
Thank you Bruce and Dan. So TM/C, both of them, are mixed blessings, best summarized as flakey. On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:20 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: > == 3 of 3 == > Date: Mon, Oct 27 2008 5:09 pm > From: Dan > > 0. TM spins violently if stopped suddenly. This leaves you quite > vulnerable to Morlock attacks. In this plain-English paragraph where enumeration begins with an ADPish "0," I saw mystery until Google and Wikipedia cited Marvel Comics and H. G. Wells. Stupid me! Anyway, I take it that Morlock attacks in TM are not a specific, known type of technical failure. I'm going to peek into Apple's fora. Are the TM and TC less prone to problems in a home environment than in the office with multiple users? At home, what can users do to minimize risk where any two of four Macs may be running simultaneously? Should we manage the use to only one Mac at a time? > FWIW, > - Dan. (yes, the Morlocks really do worry me). Thanks for the enlightenment from Subterrania. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 27, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: > >>> I installed my new external HD, partitioned it into two partitions, >>> made the first one the same size as my internal drive (80gb ). I >>> called it "MAC HD BACKUP" and copied my internal HD on to it, using >>> SuperDuper which then supposedly made it bootable. When I went to >>> System Preferences and clicked on startup disks it did not show up. > >>> What happened? > > Perhaps you're new HD was the wrong format? I believe you're on an > eMac, meaning you'd need the PPC format to boot successfully, it's the > one called "Apple Partition Scheme". Since you're running Leopard, I > believe that Leopard's default format for Disk Utility is "GUID > Partition Scheme" which is what the Intel Macs use. If you simply > partitioned a OEM HD it likely was formatted as "FAT32" which is a > Windows format. > > I'd make sure the partition format is correct. To check, open Disk > Utility, highlight the HD and go the the "Partition" tab. The current > partition format should be shown at the bottom under "Partition Map > Scheme". If it is correct, then your clone likely failed. Try Carbon > Copy Cloner in "block mode". If it'd not correct, you'll need to start > again by repartitioning the HD using the correct "Apple Partition > Scheme". > > I followed your advice, repartitoned using "Apple Partition Scheme" > and now my HD is bootable. Thanks Wilton > > > Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 26, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > On Oct 26, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: > >> I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS >> 10.5.5. I want to use it as a backup drive. >> Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should I >> install OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. > > You're running Leopard. Why not use Time Machine with your new > external HD as backup? > I will in one of my two partitions. Thanks Wilton > > > Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
2008/10/28 Kris Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: > >>> I installed my new external HD, partitioned it into two partitions, >>> made the first one the same size as my internal drive (80gb ). I >>> called it "MAC HD BACKUP" and copied my internal HD on to it, using >>> SuperDuper which then supposedly made it bootable. When I went to >>> System Preferences and clicked on startup disks it did not show up. > >>> What happened? It is a Firewire drive, isn't it? PowerPC Macs generally won't boot from USB. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • MSN/Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • Skype: liamproven • ICQ: 73187508 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: >> I installed my new external HD, partitioned it into two partitions, >> made the first one the same size as my internal drive (80gb ). I >> called it "MAC HD BACKUP" and copied my internal HD on to it, using >> SuperDuper which then supposedly made it bootable. When I went to >> System Preferences and clicked on startup disks it did not show up. >> What happened? Perhaps you're new HD was the wrong format? I believe you're on an eMac, meaning you'd need the PPC format to boot successfully, it's the one called "Apple Partition Scheme". Since you're running Leopard, I believe that Leopard's default format for Disk Utility is "GUID Partition Scheme" which is what the Intel Macs use. If you simply partitioned a OEM HD it likely was formatted as "FAT32" which is a Windows format. I'd make sure the partition format is correct. To check, open Disk Utility, highlight the HD and go the the "Partition" tab. The current partition format should be shown at the bottom under "Partition Map Scheme". If it is correct, then your clone likely failed. Try Carbon Copy Cloner in "block mode". If it'd not correct, you'll need to start again by repartitioning the HD using the correct "Apple Partition Scheme". --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Adding New HD
Begin forwarded message: > From: Wilton Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: October 27, 2008 10:45:01 PM EDT > Subject: Fwd: Adding New HD > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Simon Royal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: October 27, 2008 6:16:13 AM EDT >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Adding New HD >> Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> >> >> Wilton >> >> If you want a bootable copy of your existing hard drive use >> SuperDuper. >> >> If you want a basic install of OSX then use a DVD to install it and >> put the apps on you want. >> >> Simon >> >> --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) >> >> > I installed my new external HD, partitioned it into two partitions, > made the first one the same size as my internal drive (80gb ). I > called it "MAC HD BACKUP" and copied my internal HD on to it, using > SuperDuper which then supposedly made it bootable. When I went to > System Preferences and clicked on startup disks it did not show up. What happened? Wilton > >> >> Wilton Shaw >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Wilton Shaw > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
At 3:18 PM -0700 10/27/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: >On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > >> From: Dan > >> Maybe sometime Time Machine will be ready to run without training > >> wheels... >> > > So, Time Machine is not yet robustly mature? Where does it go > > wrong? Is it the way folks use it? Are there specific stress points > > to avoid? > >I've got a half dozen people using it, including myself, and we're all >quite happy with it. No hitches. At least one of them has completely >restored their Mac from a TM volume. Dan hasn[t specified his issues >with it, but I suspect his main one is that it's not bootable. Not bootable is fine - it's a *backup* solution, not a hot clone. The big issues I've seen so far... 0. TM spins violently if stopped suddenly. This leaves you quite vulnerable to Morlock attacks. 1. TM sometimes just chews away on the CPU and does little i/o. No solution, except to reboot. 2. TM sometimes reports the backup failed, then you discover the whole volume is unreadable. Apple's soln: Erase the drive and start over. 3. TM fails to recognize / report that a target drive is failing. It just happily writes corrupted information to the drive, destroying good data. 4. TM fails to recognize that a source drive is failing. It thinks massive numbers of files are "new", so it fills the target volume, then begins deleting the oldest information, replacing it all with corrupted data. So you have no backup. 3. TM gets "stuck" when talking to Time Capsule for a number of reasons. Often this results in a corrupted volume. Apple's solution seems to be to erase the volume and start over. Back to that hot clone issue... People need to understand the difference between a "continuous" backup system such as Time Machine, that requires a working system to be usable/recoverable, vs a complete bootable clone that you can take offline - so it's safe. Time Machine is a poor solution for people that just need a full *offline* backup. Time Machine is an ok solution for people that need to dig back to find older files, and //for now// don't mind losing their backups now and then. I look forward to see how well it works after its been debugged. IMO, CCC or SuperDuper or Retrospect are *MUCH* safer and more reliable solutions. >Be aware you'll need a LARGE drive for those 4 systems, because TM >backups just keep growing ... Betcha Apple / Jobs owns a LOT of stock in HD manufacturers. FWIW, - Dan. (yes, the Morlocks really do worry me). -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:44 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: > >> == 6 of 6 == >> Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 7:37 pm >> From: Dan >> >> Let Time Machine use the other volume. And when it farks up, you can >> wipe it out and still have that other volume as your primary backup. >> >> Maybe sometime Time Machine will be ready to run without training >> wheels... > > Just as I was going to order a Time Capsule in a day or so, I see > this. So, Time Machine is not yet robustly mature? Where does it go > wrong? Is it the way folks use it? Are there specific stress points > to avoid? > > Is anybody here fully satisfied with it over time? I've got a half dozen people using it, including myself, and we're all quite happy with it. No hitches. At least one of them has completely restored their Mac from a TM volume. Dan hasn[t specified his issues with it, but I suspect his main one is that it's not bootable. We have the System disks handy. So that's not an issue. Be aware you'll need a LARGE drive for those 4 systems, because TM backups just keep growing ... I'm on my second TM drive. if/when it fills up, I'm going to have to investigate migrating TM volumes, this time I just swapped in a new volume, and, of course, I needed something from a couple months ago that I'd deleted. I found the files in question, but manually navigating a TM volume is a pain. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Time Machine/Capsule (was: Adding New HD)
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:44 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: > == 6 of 6 == > Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 7:37 pm > From: Dan > > Let Time Machine use the other volume. And when it farks up, you can > wipe it out and still have that other volume as your primary backup. > > Maybe sometime Time Machine will be ready to run without training > wheels... Just as I was going to order a Time Capsule in a day or so, I see this. So, Time Machine is not yet robustly mature? Where does it go wrong? Is it the way folks use it? Are there specific stress points to avoid? Is anybody here fully satisfied with it over time? We would use a Time Capsule with two iMacs, a MacBook, and an iBook, all running Leopard. Thanks, Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Adding New HD
Wilton If you want a bootable copy of your existing hard drive use SuperDuper. If you want a basic install of OSX then use a DVD to install it and put the apps on you want. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Adding New HD From: Wilton Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 27/10/2008 00:09 Hello , I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. I want to use it as a backup drive. Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should I install OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
At 8:19 PM -0500 10/26/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: >On Oct 26, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: > > I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS >> 10.5.5. I want to use it as a backup drive. >> Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should I >> install OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. > >You're running Leopard. Why not use Time Machine with your new >external HD as backup? heh. Partition the new external drive into two volumes. Volume A -- MacHD Backup - the same size as your internal HD. Volume B -- Time Machine Backup - the rest of the drive. Do a CCC or SD backup to MacHD Backup -- so you'll have a full backup in a *known* state to boot from if you need. Update it monthly or just *before* you apply a round of Apple updates to your internal. Let Time Machine use the other volume. And when it farks up, you can wipe it out and still have that other volume as your primary backup. Maybe sometime Time Machine will be ready to run without training wheels... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 26, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: > I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS > 10.5.5. I want to use it as a backup drive. > Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should I > install OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. You're running Leopard. Why not use Time Machine with your new external HD as backup? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 26, 2008, at 5:49 PM, insightinmind wrote: > Just read through the instructions, which aren't too lengthy, and try > it. It was pretty straight forward to me. The cloned OS X behaves > well and just like the one from whence it came ... A cloned OS X will work correctly on an Apple of any type. It will not work on a Hack of any type, without also executing the proper post-script to re-install the boot blocks. (The clone is supposed to be a block-by-block clone if a file-by-file clone is not possible, but the block-by-block clone is incorrect in the case of a Hack as the boot blocks are mishandled by CCC and SD!). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Oct 26, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Wilton Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Hello , >> I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS >> 10.5.5. I >> want to use it as a backup drive. >> Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should >> I install >> OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. >> Thanks >> Wilton >> >> Wilton Shaw >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > It sounds like doing a clone backup from your boot drive would be > the way to go. CCC will give you the exact same OS X that is on your boot drive ... I just used the new version, CCC 3.1.2, on Tiger 10.4.11, and it behaved well. Its supposed to work with 10.5 as well. Just read through the instructions, which aren't too lengthy, and try it. It was pretty straight forward to me. The cloned OS X behaves well and just like the one from whence it came ... If you feel the old OS X on your boot drive has problems, it wouldn't hurt to start again. The clone would have the same problems, if any. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Adding New HD
Hello , I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. I want to use it as a backup drive. Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should I install OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adding New HD
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Wilton Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello , > I am about to add a new external HD to my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. I > want to use it as a backup drive. > Should I use CCC to copy everything from my internal HD, or should I install > OS 10.5 with the CD and add each program that I want. > Thanks > Wilton > > Wilton Shaw > [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounds like doing a clone backup from your boot drive would be the way to go. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
