Re: Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Hiya Listers, snip G4 867 Quicksilver with 2 internal HDs: 1. Nucleus -- OS X Tiger 10.4.9, 60 GB (came with this Mac originally). 2. Nucleolus -- OS X Panther 10.3.2, 20 GB (was pulled out of my Beige G3 and transplanted in when I got the G4) The current external HD: Memory Prime -- 40 GB. Not bootable, just a data backup. I just kick updated data over there from Nucleus or Nucleolus as required (Finder copy). This has has always worked well for me thus far -- yes, I've actually had to use stuff from this backup drive -- and yeah it saved me, big time! Obviously I'm planning to make Nucleus and Nucleolus 250 GB each. I don't actually NEED anywhere near that amount of space at this time snip--- first which model QS? If 2002 or 2002ed then no problems w/ large drives. But!! if first model then you will haveto partition or use third party software to set drive up. Look in archives for drive size limitations, and high text cap Either way if you don't need the 20 gig, replace w/ the 60 gig after cloning (60 gig) to 250 gig Put second 250 in place of 40 gig. You should have 2 empty hard drive bays - you could leave the 20 and 40 in the QS. If the bracket/cables are missing post a wtb over on LEM swap. By the way is Memory Prime Firewire or usb? ve some questions about the external HD business, because I'm in still in the process of deciding what exactly to buy (which enclosure, what size HD to put in it/if I should buy one with a drive already in it) and I'm also considering going the CCC route (I have yet to use CCC for anything at this point) on the new external backup drive for bootability. So here's the questions (most important considerations: simplicity and cost effectiveness): ccc or super (du, forgot name) will work. 1. Is it preferable to buy an enclosure which already has the drive in it, or to buy an empty enclosure and put a HD in it? I ask because I notice the empty enclosures are so much more economical, and from my POV at least (i.e., making sure I buy the right kind of HD for it -- I find the choices overwhelming, and once I do figure out the right one, need to have my BF do the actual physical installations for me). Not to bad. Safer then the computer, no worries about slipping and breaking logic board, etc. 2. I know my G4 likes internal ATA HDs (that's what it has now, and that's what I ordered from the Swap List) -- is ATA, PATA, SATA, SATA-1, SATA-2, eSATA (whatever those extra SATAs are: I know, Google is my friend, and I do plan to ask him) a consideration for EXTERNAL HDS? I ask because one of the external enclosures that caught my eye -- an OWC Mercury Elite-AL Oxford 934 says it supports any capacity SATA-1 or SATA-2 HD: would my G4 recognize this even? This case takes SATA drives you need pata (ata, ide, etc) You would need a pci SATA controller card for the QS. But, for longevity and future hardware try for a case w/ SATA, eSATA, firewire, usb 2 (usb 1 compatabe) ports. 3. Can you use partitions on external HDs like you can with internal ones? One thing i'm considering, if it's possible -- the external drive should be a 500GB, logical - if $ permit If 500 gig external change my suggestions. split into two partitions of 250 GB, onto which I CCC Nucleus (10.4.9) on one partition, and CCC Nucleolus (10.3.2) to the other, so for the transfer of internal drives and future possible emergency. I'm thinking to do the external HD first, partition it, CCC existing contents of Nucleus and Nucleolus as described, then (once I'm sure a CCC backup works), wipe the little drives and replace with the big ones, onto which I CCC the stuff from the external to the new internals (partition one to Nucleus, partition two to Nucleolus). So is this possible with my G4, and if so, is it a good idea? Wow, you are smart! ;) See what you have learned from the lists? Go back and review archives for topics on backup, cloning, etc. Maybe you can find more tips on the process. (backup may also bring up power backup.) 4. Naturally, sticking with the familiar also tempts me. I saw an Iomega eGo Portable USB/Firewire which comes with a 250 GB drive already in it got my attention also, and I must say it's tempting to buy that (I had nothing but good experiences in the past with my Iomega Zip drives) and continue my backup system as simple external data storage. Is it bootable from usb? snip - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe
Re: Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
Charles Lenington writes, first which model QS? If 2002 or 2002ed then no problems w/ large drives. But!! if first model then you will haveto partition or use third party software to set drive up. Look in archives for drive size limitations, and high text cap My QS is the 867. It took me a couple of days to find out (Googling) due to my present (hopefully temporary!) scatterbrained status, but yes, I do need to coax it into seeing HDs bigger than 128 GB. Either way if you don't need the 20 gig, replace w/ the 60 gig after cloning (60 gig) to 250 gig Put second 250 in place of 40 gig. You should have 2 empty hard drive bays - you could leave the 20 and 40 in the QS. If the bracket/cables are missing post a wtb over on LEM swap. Right now (and until The Surgery), I do need to have BOTH smaller HDs (60 and 20 BG) in the QS, because important stuff I use now resides on both. By the way is Memory Prime Firewire or usb? Memory Prime was originally BOTH Firewire and USB -- until the Firewire port on its enclosure (LaCie) died in December 2008. Since that time, I've been updating my backups via USB. In fact, I have a couple of important folders I just changed running over to it as updated backups now, as I write this. ccc or super (du, forgot name) will work. Super Duper is the other one. I ended up downloading CCC but haven't used it yet. 1. Is it preferable to buy an enclosure which already has the drive in it, or to buy an empty enclosure and put a HD in it? I ask because I notice the empty enclosures are so much more economical, and from my POV at least (i.e., making sure I buy the right kind of HD for it -- I find the choices overwhelming, and once I do figure out the right one, need to have my BF do the actual physical installations for me). Not to bad. Safer then the computer, no worries about slipping and breaking logic board, etc. About my confusion regarding whether to buy an empty external enclosure and have a drive put in it, and additional problem regarding what kind of drive I should buy for it, i.e., ATA, PATA, SATA, SATA-1,SATA-2, eSATA, you said, This case takes SATA drives you need pata (ata, ide, etc) You would need a pci SATA controller card for the QS. But, for longevity and future hardware try for a case w/ SATA, eSATA, firewire, usb 2 (usb 1 compatabe) ports. I ended up buying a 500GB OWC Mercury Elite 7200RPM external HD from OWC -- external FIrewire/USB case with 500 GB HD already in it, which comes with cables and a power supply (which, like the two 250 GB internal HDs, has arrived and is ready for me when I'm ready to hook it up. I also ordered an ACard PCI 6220 controller card from a guy on the Swap List -- still waiting for it to come in. Use of partitions on 500 GB external; yes, the salesman at oWC confirmed I could do this. :-) Wow, you are smart! ;) See what you have learned from the lists? LOL, ;-) I'm smart enough to have insisted on saving all the relevant information in my email archives and persisted with with migrating all my old emails to my new OS X native emailer when I switched a couple weeks ago, anyway. :-) Anyway, by now I HAVE decided to go the CCC route when I upgrade my HDs and backup system. The first part of the upgrade will consist of hooking up the new external HD first, formatting it to two partitions of 250 HB each, and backing up my old internal HDs to it with CCC. Then I'm going to test each partition and make sure they'll BOOT my QS as well as for my backups being accurate. When I'm sure of that -- and when my BF gets here to do the computer surgery (first weekend of June), that's when the controller card goes in (I expect it to artive early next week at this point) and the two new 250 GB internals go in. By that time I'll be have been using the new external as a backup drive. And then once I see the card has given me full access to the 250 GBs on the new internals, I'll CCC the stuff from the external backups over to the new internal drives. Theoretically, with the controller card, I should still be able to keep the 60 and 20 GB internal drives in the QS in the machine while their 250 GB replacements go in. That may be a good idea temporarily, at least until I see that the bigger replacements are working. Go back and review archives for topics on backup, cloning, etc. Maybe you can find more tips on the process. (backup may also bring up power backup.) I'll go General Googling on this actually. I don't remember my Googlegroups login or how to find any of the LEM list archives from their respective Google Groups because I participate entirely from email! LOL Is it bootable from usb? The Iomega? I don't know. I either never knew, or maybe I just don't remember, that ANY external HD would boot a Mac from USB, I always thought it HAD TO be Firewire to boot. I loved the Firewire on my external (when it worked, LOL!) because it was FAST to update my backups and move big amounts of data to the iBook
Re: Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
On May 22, 2009, at 3:07 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: first which model QS? If 2002 or 2002ed then no problems w/ large drives. But!! if first model then you will haveto partition or use third party software to set drive up. Look in archives for drive size limitations, and high text cap I think you mean hi cap kext. I only know of Intech's high capacity driver. I use it on my older AGP G4, and I've never had problems with it. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
joe wrote: On May 22, 2009, at 3:07 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: first which model QS? If 2002 or 2002ed then no problems w/ large drives. But!! if first model then you will haveto partition or use third party software to set drive up. Look in archives for drive size limitations, and high text cap I think you mean hi cap kext. I only know of Intech's high capacity driver. I use it on my older AGP G4, and I've never had problems with it. Joe wow did I get that wrong. tks 4 the correction. charles --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
Hiya Listers, I'm actually upgrading again soon. Just ordered 2 x 250 GB internal ATA HDs from the Swap List. Also, since the FW died on my external HD (which could stand to hold a much bigger HD than it does anyway) a few months ago I'm finally going to move on rectifying THAT problem, too (updating my backups with USB is sooo slow and it's been driving me crazy!). Technical Memory Refresher on my main computer (with present HDs): G4 867 Quicksilver with 2 internal HDs: 1. Nucleus -- OS X Tiger 10.4.9, 60 GB (came with this Mac originally). 2. Nucleolus -- OS X Panther 10.3.2, 20 GB (was pulled out of my Beige G3 and transplanted in when I got the G4) The current external HD: Memory Prime -- 40 GB. Not bootable, just a data backup. I just kick updated data over there from Nucleus or Nucleolus as required (Finder copy). This has has always worked well for me thus far -- yes, I've actually had to use stuff from this backup drive -- and yeah it saved me, big time! Obviously I'm planning to make Nucleus and Nucleolus 250 GB each. I don't actually NEED anywhere near that amount of space at this time (originally I'd been thinking 100-something GB internal HDs) but when I saw these two 250 GB HDs reasonably priced on the Swap List, I decided to go for them -- it can't hurt to have way more room than need -- just like there's no such thing as too much RAM, right? I pretty much know how I COULD handle the internal HD changeover (when my BF is next here to handle the physical removals/installations), but have some questions about the external HD business, because I'm in still in the process of deciding what exactly to buy (which enclosure, what size HD to put in it/if I should buy one with a drive already in it) and I'm also considering going the CCC route (I have yet to use CCC for anything at this point) on the new external backup drive for bootability. So here's the questions (most important considerations: simplicity and cost effectiveness): 1. Is it preferable to buy an enclosure which already has the drive in it, or to buy an empty enclosure and put a HD in it? I ask because I notice the empty enclosures are so much more economical, and from my POV at least (i.e., making sure I buy the right kind of HD for it -- I find the choices overwhelming, and once I do figure out the right one, need to have my BF do the actual physical installations for me). 2. I know my G4 likes internal ATA HDs (that's what it has now, and that's what I ordered from the Swap List) -- is ATA, PATA, SATA, SATA-1, SATA-2, eSATA (whatever those extra SATAs are: I know, Google is my friend, and I do plan to ask him) a consideration for EXTERNAL HDS? I ask because one of the external enclosures that caught my eye -- an OWC Mercury Elite-AL Oxford 934 says it supports any capacity SATA-1 or SATA-2 HD: would my G4 recognize this even? 3. Can you use partitions on external HDs like you can with internal ones? One thing i'm considering, if it's possible -- the external drive should be a 500GB, split into two partitions of 250 GB, onto which I CCC Nucleus (10.4.9) on one partition, and CCC Nucleolus (10.3.2) to the other, so for the transfer of internal drives and future possible emergency. I'm thinking to do the external HD first, partition it, CCC existing contents of Nucleus and Nucleolus as described, then (once I'm sure a CCC backup works), wipe the little drives and replace with the big ones, onto which I CCC the stuff from the external to the new internals (partition one to Nucleus, partition two to Nucleolus). So is this possible with my G4, and if so, is it a good idea? 4. Naturally, sticking with the familiar also tempts me. I saw an Iomega eGo Portable USB/Firewire which comes with a 250 GB drive already in it got my attention also, and I must say it's tempting to buy that (I had nothing but good experiences in the past with my Iomega Zip drives) and continue my backup system as simple external data storage. It should be noted that in addition to the data backups I keep well-maintained, I also have the boot/installation disks for both Tiger and Panther (just as I had 'em for my prior OS's) -- plus 10.4.9 and 10.3.9 combo updaters, although I found that the 10.3.2 direct from the CDs work fine for the one reason I need Panther. This is why I focused so heavily on data backup, rather than bootable backup. I COULD say that I don't need external bootable HDs because I never HAVE needed them before, but long long ago in a galaxy far away, I didn't think I needed data backups either, and oh boy was THAT a mistake! Whaddya all think? Any other recommendations and insights? Thanks, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at
