Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-14 Thread Ralph Green
Howdy,
  After reading your message, I am thinking a used Pismo might indeed
make a good bedroom system.  I have two questions.
 1. How quiet is the Pismo?  I have never used one.  Some laptops have
noisy fans, but I don't know about this one.
 2. This one is a long shot.  Do you know how much power it consumes?  I
would hope it draws a lot less than the iMac that started this thread.
I use a Kill a Watt to measure true power consumption on my computers.
You don't happen to have a device like that, do you?
Good day,
Ralph

On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 15:34 -0800, Ashgrove wrote:
 It is not a fast machine by any standard, but
 usable. Mine served as a bedroom iTunes jukebox for years, until it
 was replaced by my Pismo. 

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-14 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
I have had a Pismo for almost 10 years now.  It is a great machine,  
very reliable.  I put a new 120gb hard drive in it because I needed  
more space.  It is powerful enough for most applications I use and  
for its day.  The 15 inch screen is so nice. My only issue is now it  
needs a new battery and the video quality for some of todays  
applications shows its age.  I dont have  power consumption info but  
my Pismo is quiet.



On Nov 14, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Ralph Green wrote:


Howdy,
  After reading your message, I am thinking a used Pismo might indeed
make a good bedroom system.  I have two questions.
 1. How quiet is the Pismo?  I have never used one.  Some laptops have
noisy fans, but I don't know about this one.
 2. This one is a long shot.  Do you know how much power it  
consumes?  I

would hope it draws a lot less than the iMac that started this thread.
I use a Kill a Watt to measure true power consumption on my  
computers.

You don't happen to have a device like that, do you?
Good day,
Ralph

On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 15:34 -0800, Ashgrove wrote:

It is not a fast machine by any standard, but
usable. Mine served as a bedroom iTunes jukebox for years, until it
was replaced by my Pismo.


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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-12 Thread JOHN CARMONNE


On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Nov 5, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It  
looks like

a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis


Not too hard to open up I can send a instruction file off-list if you  
want. A Logitech optical mouse with scroll wheel is good and a 7200  
RPM HDD with 2 512 MB sticks of RAM is also something worth while   
and if you really want to go nuts There is a serial port card made  
back in the day that is rare but keeps those legacy printers going,  
it's made by GeeThree called Stealth Serial card. Look around for a  
DVD ROM and an AirPort card also don't forget about the ability to  
run  OS 8.6, OS 9.2.2 and Tiger all on the same machine.


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my Wally 10.4.11




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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-12 Thread Ashgrove
On Nov 8, 6:14 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 Okay, I do have a Revision D 333MHz G-3, and I guess it is Purple.  I
 depends on the light.

That's my problem, too. It looks kinda indigo blue sometimes, and
sometimes it's more like violet. I'm a tad color blind, too: dark blue
and deep purple tones tend to blur and run together for me. I guess
I'll never know. Nothing to be too sad about, though.

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-12 Thread Ashgrove
On Nov 8, 6:14 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 Okay, I do have a Revision D 333MHz G-3, and I guess it is Purple.  I
 depends on the light.

Going back to the upgrading part, this model can take up to 512MB of
RAM, and a hard drive up to 128GB. It does not require any special
tools or particular know-how, other than following dead-easy
instructions.

You can make it wireless with a USB wifi adapter --make sure it's USB
1.0 compatible, though. It is not a fast machine by any standard, but
usable. Mine served as a bedroom iTunes jukebox for years, until it
was replaced by my Pismo.

F

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Manuel Marques
Nope, there were tray-loaders other than Bondi-colored! I have one
Blueberry at home which is a 333 MHz tray-loader.

The slot-loaders that followed shared the same colors but were
slightly less tinted, IIRC.

MM

On Nov 8, 3:42 am, Judith Berkowitz sfjb...@mac.com wrote:
 On Nov 5, 2:11 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:

  ...  It is a tray loading model, not slot loading. and
  it is running 8.6

 If it's tray-loading, it isn't a Blueberry iMac but rather a Bondi
 iMac.
 If it hasn't been upgraded, the vram is 2MB in the Rev A and 6MB in
 the Rev B.
 The video card is the only other difference between the two: Rage IIc
 in Rev A and Rage Pro Turbo in Rev B.

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Jeff Bequette


On Nov 8, 2010, at 5:27 AM, Manuel Marques wrote:


Nope, there were tray-loaders other than Bondi-colored! I have one
Blueberry at home which is a 333 MHz tray-loader.

The slot-loaders that followed shared the same colors but were
slightly less tinted, IIRC.

MM

On Nov 8, 3:42 am, Judith Berkowitz sfjb...@mac.com wrote:

On Nov 5, 2:11 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:


...  It is a tray loading model, not slot loading. and
it is running 8.6



snip

If i



Think Mactracker is a good resource to pin down exact model also.





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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Ashgrove
On Nov 7, 10:18 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 This doesn't really tell how to determine if it is a Rev A, B, C, or D.
   Well, it does, but it does not really give you a way to determine
 which hardware you have.  I have checked About this computer but that
 does not give the processor or processor speed.  How do I find this out?
   Been a LONNG time since I did anything below 10.2

Believe it or not, the logic board should have a sticker with the
revision letter on it. I have a purple (can't deal with the whole
blueberry/indigo/Bondi thing: it's PURPLE) 333Mhz iMac which should
have been revision B, but when I opened it up found that it was
actually an upgraded revision A. (So it should be Bondi. I think. It
still looks purple to me, though.)

As for the processor speed, I don't know the first thing about OS 8.6,
so can't help you there. Why don't you upgrade it to OS 9? They also
run Panther without third-party help --having USB ports is the
prerequisite. That would make things easier for you before upgrading.

HTH,

Felix

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Ashgrove wrote:

  have a purple (can't deal with the whole
 blueberry/indigo/Bondi thing: it's PURPLE) 


Uhh, if it's purple, you have a 'grape' imac, one of the 'multiflavored' ones 
released after the first gen, iconic Bondi iMac.

Blueberry/Indigo/Bondi are all very definitely shades of blue. 

System Profiler (which is in the Utilities folder) should tell you what the 
speed is, possibly even the model.

I know SP dates back to OS 7 (at least), so it is there in 8.6.

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Dennis Myhand
Okay, I do have a Revision D 333MHz G-3, and I guess it is Purple.  I 
depends on the light.



Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Ashgrove wrote:


 have a purple (can't deal with the whole
blueberry/indigo/Bondi thing: it's PURPLE) 



Uhh, if it's purple, you have a 'grape' imac, one of the 'multiflavored' ones 
released after the first gen, iconic Bondi iMac.

Blueberry/Indigo/Bondi are all very definitely shades of blue. 


System Profiler (which is in the Utilities folder) should tell you what the 
speed is, possibly even the model.

I know SP dates back to OS 7 (at least), so it is there in 8.6.



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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Amanda Ward
Ah... a Grape iMac. I have one of those in Rev. D... 333 Mhz. His name is 
George. Nice vintage-ish machine. Use it for work... word processing and 
spreadsheets, nothing heavy. He just looks so much better than those blockish 
winderz boxen everyone else has!

Amanda

On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

 Okay, I do have a Revision D 333MHz G-3, and I guess it is Purple.  I depends 
 on the light.
 
 
 Bruce Johnson wrote:
 On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Ashgrove wrote:
 have a purple (can't deal with the whole
 blueberry/indigo/Bondi thing: it's PURPLE) 
 Uhh, if it's purple, you have a 'grape' imac, one of the 'multiflavored' 
 ones released after the first gen, iconic Bondi iMac.
 Blueberry/Indigo/Bondi are all very definitely shades of blue. System 
 Profiler (which is in the Utilities folder) should tell you what the speed 
 is, possibly even the model.
 I know SP dates back to OS 7 (at least), so it is there in 8.6.
 
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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread J.M.P.Hissel
On 08-11-2010 03:42, Judith Berkowitz, sfjb...@mac.com, wrote:

 If it's tray-loading, it isn't a Blueberry iMac but rather a Bondi
 iMac.

No! The Blueberry is tray-loading!
See Mactracker. And in my family we still have 4 Blueberries in use and they
are all tray-loading.

JFYI,

Jo Hissel




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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Dennis Myhand
I have a larger HD for it that I can install.  6gigs just seems so 
1990's.  I will also probably boost the RAM.  I can get two more and a 
couple of strawberry as well.  Will report on that later in the week.


Amanda Ward wrote:

Ah... a Grape iMac. I have one of those in Rev. D... 333 Mhz. His name is 
George. Nice vintage-ish machine. Use it for work... word processing and 
spreadsheets, nothing heavy. He just looks so much better than those blockish 
winderz boxen everyone else has!

Amanda

On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


Okay, I do have a Revision D 333MHz G-3, and I guess it is Purple.  I depends 
on the light.


Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Ashgrove wrote:

have a purple (can't deal with the whole
blueberry/indigo/Bondi thing: it's PURPLE) 

Uhh, if it's purple, you have a 'grape' imac, one of the 'multiflavored' ones 
released after the first gen, iconic Bondi iMac.
Blueberry/Indigo/Bondi are all very definitely shades of blue. System Profiler 
(which is in the Utilities folder) should tell you what the speed is, possibly 
even the model.
I know SP dates back to OS 7 (at least), so it is there in 8.6.

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Amanda Ward
LOL! I remember when I was waiting for a 340 MB drive to drop below $350... 
1994-ish. ;-)

Amanda

On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

 I have a larger HD for it that I can install.  6gigs just seems so 1990's.  I 
 will also probably boost the RAM.  I can get two more and a couple of 
 strawberry as well.  Will report on that later in the week.
 
 Amanda Ward wrote:
 Ah... a Grape iMac. I have one of those in Rev. D... 333 Mhz. His name is 
 George. Nice vintage-ish machine. Use it for work... word processing and 
 spreadsheets, nothing heavy. He just looks so much better than those 
 blockish winderz boxen everyone else has!
 Amanda

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread Dennis Myhand
Yeah.  I remember paying $250.00 for a 170meg drive.  That was in about 
93 or 94.  I don't remember if my Dad had passed away by then or if I 
was working on that computer with my Mom and Dad.


Amanda Ward wrote:

LOL! I remember when I was waiting for a 340 MB drive to drop below $350... 
1994-ish. ;-)

Amanda

On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:


I have a larger HD for it that I can install.  6gigs just seems so 1990's.  I 
will also probably boost the RAM.  I can get two more and a couple of 
strawberry as well.  Will report on that later in the week.

Amanda Ward wrote:

Ah... a Grape iMac. I have one of those in Rev. D... 333 Mhz. His name is 
George. Nice vintage-ish machine. Use it for work... word processing and 
spreadsheets, nothing heavy. He just looks so much better than those blockish 
winderz boxen everyone else has!
Amanda




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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-08 Thread J.M.P.Hissel
On 08-11-2010 03:56, Dennis Myhand, dmyh...@suddenlink.net, wrote:

 How do I determine what revision it is?

Mail us your Serial Number (always 11 characters!). You'll find it on a
barcode sticker on the downside of the iMac or after opening the RAM-lid.
And in case the iMac can boot in any OS-X you'll find it in the
SystemProfiler.

HTH, Jo Hissel


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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-07 Thread Judith Berkowitz
On Nov 5, 12:05 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@ednaisd.org wrote:
 I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
 Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  

Why do you need to upgrade the keyboard and mouse?
Do they not work as they are now?

Those early iMac keyboards have a good touch to them.

As for the puck mouse, if you slightly alter the body mechanics you
use for mousing, you'll find it easy to use.
You just need to position it in the way it was meant to be held.
Move your hand forward on it so that your palm covers the mouse and
the base of your fingers (rather than the tips) control the button.
Hold it so that the wire exits between your second and third fingers.

That way it's comfortable and lessens the strain that causes carpal
tunnel syndrome.

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-07 Thread Dennis Myhand
Okay, I see where some of these answers are coming from now.  I have no 
intention to upgrade the keyboard and mouse.  I want to upgrade the iMac 
in the processor/memory/harddrive area.  Yes, the keyboard and mouse 
work fine as they are.  I have no intention of using the puck.  I have a 
good supply of comfortable, fully functional, three button wheel mice to 
choose from.  I have been using multi-button mice since I first cut my 
teeth on UNIX.  Do not intend to quit now.  Thanks, Dennis


Judith Berkowitz wrote:

On Nov 5, 12:05 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@ednaisd.org wrote:

I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  


Why do you need to upgrade the keyboard and mouse?
Do they not work as they are now?

Those early iMac keyboards have a good touch to them.

As for the puck mouse, if you slightly alter the body mechanics you
use for mousing, you'll find it easy to use.
You just need to position it in the way it was meant to be held.
Move your hand forward on it so that your palm covers the mouse and
the base of your fingers (rather than the tips) control the button.
Hold it so that the wire exits between your second and third fingers.

That way it's comfortable and lessens the strain that causes carpal
tunnel syndrome.



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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-07 Thread Judith Berkowitz
On Nov 5, 2:11 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 ...  It is a tray loading model, not slot loading. and
 it is running 8.6

If it's tray-loading, it isn't a Blueberry iMac but rather a Bondi
iMac.
If it hasn't been upgraded, the vram is 2MB in the Rev A and 6MB in
the Rev B.
The video card is the only other difference between the two: Rage IIc
in Rev A and Rage Pro Turbo in Rev B.

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-07 Thread Dennis Myhand

How do I determine what revision it is?

Judith Berkowitz wrote:

On Nov 5, 2:11 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote:

...  It is a tray loading model, not slot loading. and
it is running 8.6


If it's tray-loading, it isn't a Blueberry iMac but rather a Bondi
iMac.
If it hasn't been upgraded, the vram is 2MB in the Rev A and 6MB in
the Rev B.
The video card is the only other difference between the two: Rage IIc
in Rev A and Rage Pro Turbo in Rev B.



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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-07 Thread Amanda Ward
This might get you started...

http://lowendmac.com/imacs/index.shtml

HTH,

Amanda

On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

 Uh...I am 53 years old and still have most of all ten fingers (some shorter 
 than others, your finger mileage may vary) and I have not intention of doing 
 anything to a mouse with an x-acto knife!  I will use a M$ Intelli-mouse or 
 something like that and keep the puck for looks. I mean, how hard is it to 
 upgrade the processor, memory, and hard drive?  I want to make it go faster, 
 not work on a mouse!  How do I find out which revision it is?  It is a tray 
 loading model, not slot loading. and it is running 8.6
 
 
 Ralph Green wrote:
 Howdy,
  I'll start with the mouse.  It can be upgraded to a LED mouse, but it
 is a pretty fair amount of work.  The easiest route is to find a small
 LED sensor mouse and transplant the guts into the puck mouse.  You will
 need an exacto knife and some putty.  I would not call those special
 tools, but I suppose that depends on what you are used to using.
 Good luck,
 Ralph
 On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 15:05 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote:
 I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
 Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It looks like
 a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis
 
 Dennis Myhand
 
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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-07 Thread Dennis Myhand
This doesn't really tell how to determine if it is a Rev A, B, C, or D. 
 Well, it does, but it does not really give you a way to determine 
which hardware you have.  I have checked About this computer but that 
does not give the processor or processor speed.  How do I find this out? 
 Been a LONNG time since I did anything below 10.2


Amanda Ward wrote:

This might get you started...

http://lowendmac.com/imacs/index.shtml

HTH,

Amanda


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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-07 Thread Amanda Ward
 Another page from Low End Mac...

http://lowendmac.com/macdan/05/0202.html

On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

 This doesn't really tell how to determine if it is a Rev A, B, C, or D.  
 Well, it does, but it does not really give you a way to determine which 
 hardware you have.  I have checked About this computer but that does not 
 give the processor or processor speed.  How do I find this out?  Been a LONNG 
 time since I did anything below 10.2
 
 Amanda Ward wrote:
 This might get you started...
 http://lowendmac.com/imacs/index.shtml
 HTH,
 Amanda
 
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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-06 Thread Thunder 1


On Nov 5, 2:05 pm, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@ednaisd.org wrote:
 I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
 Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It looks like
 a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis

 Dennis Myhand

Dennis, here are a few sites that will help you out with your iMac. It
sounds
to me like you have a 333MHz, 6GB HDD. I have two iMac Blueberries,
one
a 333MHz running OS 9.1 and the other a 350MHz running OS 9.2.2.

This site will help you identify your iMac:

http://www.mactracker.ca/

This site will show you how to take it apart:

http://www.djonmac.com/

If you need more info, try Google. There's lotsa help out there.

Hope this helps.
Bill

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-06 Thread James Chapel
On Nov 5, 2:53 pm, Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Howdy,
   I'll start with the mouse.  It can be upgraded to a LED mouse, but it
 is a pretty fair amount of work.  The easiest route is to find a small
 LED sensor mouse and transplant the guts into the puck mouse.  You will
 need an exacto knife and some putty.  I would not call those special
 tools, but I suppose that depends on what you are used to using.
 Good luck,
 Ralph

 On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 15:05 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote:
  I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
  Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It looks like
  a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis

  Dennis Myhand

If you want an optical (laser) mouse, Dennis, and don't want to tear
apart the old one, keep your eyes open for the apple pro mouse. It's
from about the same era as your mac, so it should match your equipment
just fine. Besides, most people find the old puck mice rather
uncomfortable, anyway.

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Blueberry iMac

2010-11-05 Thread Dennis Myhand
I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It looks like
a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis

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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-05 Thread Ralph Green
Howdy,
  I'll start with the mouse.  It can be upgraded to a LED mouse, but it
is a pretty fair amount of work.  The easiest route is to find a small
LED sensor mouse and transplant the guts into the puck mouse.  You will
need an exacto knife and some putty.  I would not call those special
tools, but I suppose that depends on what you are used to using.
Good luck,
Ralph

On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 15:05 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote:
 I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
 Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It looks like
 a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis
 
 Dennis Myhand



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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-05 Thread Dennis Myhand
Uh...I am 53 years old and still have most of all ten fingers (some 
shorter than others, your finger mileage may vary) and I have not 
intention of doing anything to a mouse with an x-acto knife!  I will use 
a M$ Intelli-mouse or something like that and keep the puck for looks. 
I mean, how hard is it to upgrade the processor, memory, and hard drive? 
 I want to make it go faster, not work on a mouse!  How do I find out 
which revision it is?  It is a tray loading model, not slot loading. and 
it is running 8.6



Ralph Green wrote:

Howdy,
  I'll start with the mouse.  It can be upgraded to a LED mouse, but it
is a pretty fair amount of work.  The easiest route is to find a small
LED sensor mouse and transplant the guts into the puck mouse.  You will
need an exacto knife and some putty.  I would not call those special
tools, but I suppose that depends on what you are used to using.
Good luck,
Ralph

On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 15:05 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote:

I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It looks like
a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis

Dennis Myhand






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Re: Blueberry iMac

2010-11-05 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Nov 5, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

 I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and
 Blueberry puck mouse.  How difficult is it to upgrade these?  It looks like
 a sealed unit.  Do I need special tools?  Thanks, Dennis

There's a tray you can pull out that lets you access the RAM for upgrading; 
Hard drives takel a little more work, but it doesn't require any special tools.


http://www.macworld.com/article/2496/2001/10/howtoimac.html

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