Re: How to make external drive bootable
Hi Dan DID Restore of 10.5 and nothing would load on G4 or MacBook(Intel). Could this xhd just not be bootable? It seems likely. I have/had four external Firewire harddisks and only my old one with an Oxford controller would boot my MDD. Two Diginote cases have Initio controllers which won't boot my Mac and my newest Freecom SATA dock which has eSATA, FireWire 400 and 800 plus USB will also boot my MDD - this one also has an Initio controller albeit a newer one. The Oxford case (model Pleiades with the G5 design) burnt its power supply spontaneously as did two other same cases of a friend, a design fault apparently. I can make a CCC copy of my system volumes to a Diginote. That CCC copy is bootable when I clone it back to another internal/bootable disk it will boot my Mac - but not directly from the Diginote. So it must be the controller. Before I bought my Freecom dock I asked their helpdesk if it would boot my MDD G4. Even the help couldn't tell me if their dock would boot a Mac. So I went online and looked into some fora with product reviews and found positive results with Mac users. Then I bought the dock. Works like a charm and accepts 3.5 and 2.5 inch drives. Good luck, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
Hi Dan DID Restore of 10.5 and nothing would load on G4 or MacBook(Intel). Could this xhd just not be bootable? It seems likely. I have/had four external Firewire harddisks and only my old one with an Oxford controller would boot my MDD. Two Diginote cases have Initio controllers which won't boot my Mac and my newest Freecom SATA dock which has eSATA, FireWire 400 and 800 plus USB will also boot my MDD - this one also has an Initio controller albeit a newer one. The Oxford case (model Pleiades with the G5 design) burnt its power supply spontaneously as did two other same cases of a friend, a design fault apparently. I can make a CCC copy of my system volumes to a Diginote. That CCC copy is bootable when I clone it back to another internal/bootable disk it will boot my Mac - but not directly from the Diginote. So it must be the controller. Before I bought my Freecom dock I asked their helpdesk if it would boot my MDD G4. Even the help couldn't tell me if their dock would boot a Mac. So I went online and looked into some fora with product reviews and found positive results with Mac users. Then I bought the dock. Works like a charm and accepts 3.5 and 2.5 inch drives. Good luck, Jörg. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
My external drive with five partitions is formated APM. My CCC backups boot my g4 iBook with Leopard 10.5.8 plus two Intel iMacs and one Macbook, all with with Snow Leopard 10.6.8. I got all the help I needed several years ago on these lowendmac e- lists. At the time, Apple tech support pages contradicted each other on this issue. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
=== I have tried everything to get it to boot 10.5 on G4 and MacBook(Intel) nothing works. Here is the info on the drive: USB: Portable: Capacity: 465.76 GB Removable Media: Yes Detachable Drive: Yes BSD Name: disk2 Version: 1.30 Bus Power (mA): 500 Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec Manufacturer: Seagate OS9 Drivers: No Product ID: 0x2300 Serial Number: 2GH23S8C S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported Vendor ID: 0x0bc2 Volumes: XHD-1 500Mb: Capacity: 465.64 GB Available: 430.56 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk2s3 Mount Point: /Volumes/XHD-1 500Mb DID Restore of 10.5 and nothing would load on G4 or MacBook(Intel). Could this xhd just not be bootable? --- On Sun, 3/18/12, dan auerbach listmis...@gmail.com wrote: From: dan auerbach listmis...@gmail.com Subject: Re: How to make external drive bootable To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 7:19 PM On 18-Mar-12, at 9:50 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm 99% certain that a GUID partition HD with Leopard 10.5 will boot a PPC Mac, but I can't seem to find any confirmation of this. I thought there was an official Apple KBA that confirms this, but I couldn't find it? I forgot to include the OS in my original post. I am using 10.5.8 on this PB and the drive is not seen in DU or with the option key held during boot. The drive is a 1 TB Newertech ministack V2.5. I had originally been backing up to it with SuperDuper and I thought that something was wrong with that because I had set it to make this drive bootable in the prefs, which never happened. I hoped that changing over to CCC might accomplish that. dan_Ahttp://littleurl.net/danauerbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
On Mar 19, 12:53 pm, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: === I have tried everything to get it to boot 10.5 on G4 and MacBook(Intel) nothing works. Here is the info on the drive: USB: Portable: Capacity: 465.76 GB Removable Media: Yes Detachable Drive: Yes BSD Name: disk2 Version: 1.30 Bus Power (mA): 500 Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec Manufacturer: Seagate OS9 Drivers: No Product ID: 0x2300 Serial Number: 2GH23S8C S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported Vendor ID: 0x0bc2 Volumes: XHD-1 500Mb: Capacity: 465.64 GB Available: 430.56 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk2s3 Mount Point: /Volumes/XHD-1 500Mb DID Restore of 10.5 and nothing would load on G4 or MacBook(Intel). Could this xhd just not be bootable? I vaguely recall hearing that in the olden days, Macs would not boot from USB drives. Today, Intel Macs can boot from USB. Earlier today, when I verified booting my G4 iBook from the CCC backup on my APM external hard drive, I connected via FireWire 400. Using USB now, no joy. The backup volume shows on the iBook's Desktop, but it does not show in Start Disk. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
How to make external drive bootable
Hello all... I have an external disk for backup which I've been using for some time, both for TM and CCC backups. It is connected to my 17 G4 1.33 GHz Powerbook using FW. I see that it is not bootable. Disk Utility shows that it has a GUID Partition Table, while other external drives that I have use the Apple Partition Map. I'm assuming that is why the disk is not showing as bootable. I'm willing to wipe out the disk in order to set it up to be bootable but I don't see any choice in Disk Utility to do this. I believe that CCC is set to clone and make the drive bootable but either didn't or if it did... then is the FW connection the problem? Or what??? I'd appreciate any help on this one. Thank you. dan_A -- dan_A http://littleurl.net/danauerbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
When formatting with Disk Utility, instead of selecting Erase instead select Partition Under Volume Scheme it'll say Currant, change that to 1 partition Now click on the options button and you will be able to select Apple Partition Map On Mar 18, 9:26 am, Dan A listmis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all... I have an external disk for backup which I've been using for some time, both for TM and CCC backups. It is connected to my 17 G4 1.33 GHz Powerbook using FW. I see that it is not bootable. Disk Utility shows that it has a GUID Partition Table, while other external drives that I have use the Apple Partition Map. I'm assuming that is why the disk is not showing as bootable. I'm willing to wipe out the disk in order to set it up to be bootable but I don't see any choice in Disk Utility to do this. I believe that CCC is set to clone and make the drive bootable but either didn't or if it did... then is the FW connection the problem? Or what??? I'd appreciate any help on this one. Thank you. dan_A -- dan_Ahttp://littleurl.net/danauerbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
Thank you for your fast reply and help Wayne. I've done this several times in the past but just had a memory lapse. Really do appreciate your help. dan_A http://littleurl.net/danauerbach On 18-Mar-12, at 12:59 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote: When formatting with Disk Utility, instead of selecting Erase instead select Partition Under Volume Scheme it'll say Currant, change that to 1 partition Now click on the options button and you will be able to select Apple Partition Map On Mar 18, 9:26 am, Dan A listmis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all... I have an external disk for backup which I've been using for some time, both for TM and CCC backups. It is connected to my 17 G4 1.33 GHz Powerbook using FW. I see that it is not bootable. Disk Utility shows that it has a GUID Partition Table, while other external drives that I have use the Apple Partition Map. I'm assuming that is why the disk is not showing as bootable. I'm willing to wipe out the disk in order to set it up to be bootable but I don't see any choice in Disk Utility to do this. I believe that CCC is set to clone and make the drive bootable but either didn't or if it did... then is the FW connection the problem? Or what??? I'd appreciate any help on this one. Thank you. dan_A -- dan_Ahttp://littleurl.net/danauerbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
If I recall correctly, PPC macs can only boot from GUID drives if they have 10.5 or later on them. If you have 10.4 you're out of luck and need to reformat the drive as Apple Partition Map. Chance On Mar 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Dan A listmis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all... I have an external disk for backup which I've been using for some time, both for TM and CCC backups. It is connected to my 17 G4 1.33 GHz Powerbook using FW. I see that it is not bootable. Disk Utility shows that it has a GUID Partition Table, while other external drives that I have use the Apple Partition Map. I'm assuming that is why the disk is not showing as bootable. I'm willing to wipe out the disk in order to set it up to be bootable but I don't see any choice in Disk Utility to do this. I believe that CCC is set to clone and make the drive bootable but either didn't or if it did... then is the FW connection the problem? Or what??? I'd appreciate any help on this one. Thank you. dan_A -- dan_A http://littleurl.net/danauerbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Dan A wrote: Hello all... I have an external disk for backup which I've been using for some time, both for TM and CCC backups. It is connected to my 17 G4 1.33 GHz Powerbook using FW. I see that it is not bootable. Disk Utility shows that it has a GUID Partition Table, while other external drives that I have use the Apple Partition Map. I'm assuming that is why the disk is not showing as bootable. I'm willing to wipe out the disk in order to set it up to be bootable but I don't see any choice in Disk Utility to do this. I believe that CCC is set to clone and make the drive bootable but either didn't or if it did... then is the FW connection the problem? Or what??? I'd appreciate any help on this one. Thank you. dan_A -- You need to format the disk in Disk Utility to Apple Partition Map. Disk Utility, Partition. Options , APM. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
On Mar 18, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Chance Reecher wrote: If I recall correctly, PPC macs can only boot from GUID drives if they have 10.5 or later on them. If you have 10.4 you're out of luck and need to reformat the drive as Apple Partition Map. Yes, this is my understanding also, but recently when someone was trying to create an external HD to boot both PPC Intel Macs, I stated that with 10.5 installed you COULD use GUID to boot both. However, articles on the web for creating dual PPC Intel external boot HDs all say to format the drive Apple Partition Map which can evidently boot Intel Macs also. I'm 99% certain that a GUID partition HD with Leopard 10.5 will boot a PPC Mac, but I can't seem to find any confirmation of this. I thought there was an official Apple KBA that confirms this, but I couldn't find it? I may do an experiment to confirm that GUID will boot on PPC Macs with 10.5. It seems strange that Apple Partition Map HDs will boot on Intel Macs. I may need to confirm this myself also. I wonder if this dual boot capability is unique to Leopard 10.5? I suspect it is. It may be that with Leopard 10.5 any format HD can boot any Mac? This raises the question: If APM formatted HDs boot on Intel Macs, why did Apple change the partition format to GUID for Intel? The mere fact that Apple changed partition formats suggests that there must be some qualitative difference or advantage to the new GUID format, and consequently some disadvantage to the old APM format. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
On 18-Mar-12, at 9:50 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm 99% certain that a GUID partition HD with Leopard 10.5 will boot a PPC Mac, but I can't seem to find any confirmation of this. I thought there was an official Apple KBA that confirms this, but I couldn't find it? I forgot to include the OS in my original post. I am using 10.5.8 on this PB and the drive is not seen in DU or with the option key held during boot. The drive is a 1 TB Newertech ministack V2.5. I had originally been backing up to it with SuperDuper and I thought that something was wrong with that because I had set it to make this drive bootable in the prefs, which never happened. I hoped that changing over to CCC might accomplish that. dan_A http://littleurl.net/danauerbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
On Mar 18, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 18, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Chance Reecher wrote: If I recall correctly, PPC macs can only boot from GUID drives if they have 10.5 or later on them. If you have 10.4 you're out of luck and need to reformat the drive as Apple Partition Map. Yes, this is my understanding also, but recently when someone was trying to create an external HD to boot both PPC Intel Macs, I stated that with 10.5 installed you COULD use GUID to boot both. However, articles on the web for creating dual PPC Intel external boot HDs all say to format the drive Apple Partition Map which can evidently boot Intel Macs also. I'm 99% certain that a GUID partition HD with Leopard 10.5 will boot a PPC Mac, but I can't seem to find any confirmation of this. I thought there was an official Apple KBA that confirms this, but I couldn't find it? I may do an experiment to confirm that GUID will boot on PPC Macs with 10.5. It seems strange that Apple Partition Map HDs will boot on Intel Macs. I may need to confirm this myself also. I wonder if this dual boot capability is unique to Leopard 10.5? I suspect it is. It may be that with Leopard 10.5 any format HD can boot any Mac? I can assure that a 10.5.8 volume on a GUID drive will not boot a PPC Mac at least all that I have up to a G5 Dual 2.7. This raises the question: If APM formatted HDs boot on Intel Macs, why did Apple change the partition format to GUID for Intel? The mere fact that Apple changed partition formats suggests that there must be some qualitative difference or advantage to the new GUID format, and consequently some disadvantage to the old APM format. So Far the only GUID format that I've found necessary is Lion will not boot on APM. \John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
