Re: I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I have fully taken a clamshell apart before, and from that experience, I
know I never want to do that ahain. It doesn't have 512MB of RAM though, it
has 544MB.


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Re: I need networking help

[john CARMONNE]

On Jun 30, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Da'Birdman wrote:


If CCC doesn't work for you, perhaps Super Duper will. . . Just a
thought.  If you've never taken a Clamshell apart before, I would tell
you it's somewhat tedious, but really not that hard.  You need some
small screwdrivers (Phillips, flat-head, Torx T8), and good
instructions.  Go to: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing- 
iBook-G3-Clamshell-Hard-Drive-Replacement/116/1

.  This will take you step by step.  I printed up the instructions and
taped the screws to the applicable section of each sheet.  It'll take
you about 45 - 60 minutes to get the thing apart (less after you know
what you're doing. . .). It's not hard, just a bit of a pain in the
patoot.  I've done enough of these to where I no longer dread opening
them up any more, and you would be surprised how well these laptops
perform with Tiger and a 512 meg ram stick in them.

Scott Birdwell
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Houston TX
www.defalcos.com


The taping to the instructions is a great idea thanks for that.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: I need networking help

[Da'Birdman]

If CCC doesn't work for you, perhaps Super Duper will. . . Just a
thought.  If you've never taken a Clamshell apart before, I would tell
you it's somewhat tedious, but really not that hard.  You need some
small screwdrivers (Phillips, flat-head, Torx T8), and good
instructions.  Go to: 
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-iBook-G3-Clamshell-Hard-Drive-Replacement/116/1
.  This will take you step by step.  I printed up the instructions and
taped the screws to the applicable section of each sheet.  It'll take
you about 45 - 60 minutes to get the thing apart (less after you know
what you're doing. . .). It's not hard, just a bit of a pain in the
patoot.  I've done enough of these to where I no longer dread opening
them up any more, and you would be surprised how well these laptops
perform with Tiger and a 512 meg ram stick in them.

Scott Birdwell
DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies
Houston TX
www.defalcos.com

On Jun 29, 1:13 pm, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
> On Jun 29, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>
> > CCC never worked for me as the OS itself would not boot. Also, I  
> > don't feel like getting through all of those screws just to get to  
> > the hard drive.
>
> > --
> > ð Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.
>
> Can't you boot it via USB with an external DVD drive with a Tiger  
> install disk from OS 9?
>
> JOHN CARMONNE
> Yorba Linda USA
>  From TiBook 800

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Re: I need networking help

[Doug McNutt]

At 22:44 -0400 6/27/10, Richard Gerome wrote:
   I think that is the problem??? Crossing between OS 9 and OS 10 won't work...

You have found the reason I downgraded from 10.4 back to 10.3.9. But in my case 
it was compatibility with my SE/30 file server running OS 7.5.

In OS 9.1 on this 8500 under the File Sharing control panel there is an option 
to enable file sharing clients to connect over TCP/IP. If checked OS 9 enables 
Apple's version of Shareway (Open Door Software) which you need for 10.4 and 
above. There may be an extension that you need to have present.

It's not real file sharing but you can use Stairway's NetPresenz on classic OS 
back to at least 7.1 to allow FTP and some HTTP operations between any MacOSX 
and older systems. Unfortunately Apple's Finder-based FTP won't permit uploads 
even with name and password but Terminal.app or some third party FTP client 
(Interarchy zB) will work. NetPresenz also lets Linux machines communicate with 
classic Mac OS.

Another thing I do with this 8500 is to log in to OS neXt using "MacSSH PPC" 
which gives me terminal access to any neXt machine in the house including the 
lady's new iMac.

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Re: I need networking help

[Richard Gerome]

   I think that is the problem??? Crossing between OS 9 and OS 10 won't work... -Original Message-
From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Sent: Jun 26, 2010 4:50 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I need networking help

Btw, any computer i have that runs Mac OS X can see it, but Mac OS 9 and earlier can't. --  Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.



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Re: I need networking help

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Jun 29, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

CCC never worked for me as the OS itself would not boot. Also, I  
don't feel like getting through all of those screws just to get to  
the hard drive.


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Can't you boot it via USB with an external DVD drive with a Tiger  
install disk from OS 9?


JOHN CARMONNE
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From TiBook 800




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Re: I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

CCC never worked for me as the OS itself would not boot. Also, I don't feel
like getting through all of those screws just to get to the hard drive.

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Re: I need networking help

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Jun 29, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Da'Birdman wrote:




On Jun 28, 3:16 pm, John Carmonne  wrote:
Btw, one more thing. I am attempting to install Mac OS X Tiger on  
my iBook original clamshell (with no firewire), but so far, no  
luck. I hacked one of the files which had the list of bad  
machines, no luck. XPostFacto, no luck. XpostFacto does not work  
because it "claims" to not support the PowerBook2,1. CCC, well,  
let's just say if  i copy it to a disk, it won't boot off that  
copy. Anything i could do here? i do need tiger, because a broad  
range of my network utilities require Mac OS X 10.4 or later. I  
don't have any other Mac laptops besides this one.<<


I've never had any luck installing Tiger directly onto the non-
firewire Clamshell hard drives.  However, I've had excellent results
loading the OS onto the hard drive connected to a supported computer
via firewire.  After the install, simply (yeah, right - these are a
pain to work on!) install the hard drive into the Clamshell, and
you're good to go.  Hope this helps.

Scott Birdwell
DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies
Houston TX
www.defalcos.com



How about skipping the HDD replacement and go with CCC? I did my  
first Wally via USB.


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Re: I need networking help

[Da'Birdman]

On Jun 28, 3:16 pm, John Carmonne  wrote:
> > Btw, one more thing. I am attempting to install Mac OS X Tiger on my iBook 
> > original clamshell (with no firewire), but so far, no luck. I hacked one of 
> > the files which had the list of bad machines, no luck. XPostFacto, no luck. 
> > XpostFacto does not work because it "claims" to not support the 
> > PowerBook2,1. CCC, well, let's just say if  i copy it to a disk, it won't 
> > boot off that copy. Anything i could do here? i do need tiger, because a 
> > broad range of my network utilities require Mac OS X 10.4 or later. I don't 
> > have any other Mac laptops besides this one.<<

I've never had any luck installing Tiger directly onto the non-
firewire Clamshell hard drives.  However, I've had excellent results
loading the OS onto the hard drive connected to a supported computer
via firewire.  After the install, simply (yeah, right - these are a
pain to work on!) install the hard drive into the Clamshell, and
you're good to go.  Hope this helps.

Scott Birdwell
DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies
Houston TX
www.defalcos.com

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Re: I need networking help

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> I have used XpostFacto to install Mac OS X Jaguar on my PM 9600, and the
> network problem is ok now. It can see the HDD now. The external HDD was on a
> computer running Leopard. How can a computer running OS9 see a network drive
> on a Leopard computer?

Classical Ethertalk was dropped by Apple in 10.4 or 10.5; leaving only 
Appletalk over IP.

To connect a Mac running OS 9 you need to enable appletalk over IP on the OS 9 
computer, go into the Chooser (iirc) and enter the IP address of the computer 
running leopard, at which point you can see and mount the shares on the Leopard 
computer.

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Re: I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I don't use AppleTalk. I already used XpostFacto to install Jaguar on my Pm
9600, and I hooked it up through ethernet. I went to system preferences,
turned on file sharing and boom! I was able to see my 320GB network HDD on
my Sawtooth running Leopard.


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Re: I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I have used XpostFacto to install Mac OS X Jaguar on my PM 9600, and the
network problem is ok now. It can see the HDD now. The external HDD was on a
computer running Leopard. How can a computer running OS9 see a network drive
on a Leopard computer?

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Re: I need networking help

[Ken]

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> hello users of Lem's G3-G5 list, I have a networking problem that I have
> been trying to resolve since the early half of june. On my PM G4 Sawtooth, I
> have a 320GB SATA drive plugged in through firewire, and I have the entire
> network of Mac OS X Systems being able to see it. I have other computers
> such as my iMac G3's running tiger being able to see it, my iBook clamshell
> running Jaguar being able to see it, but then there's my Power Mac 9600
> running Mac OS 9.0.4. I have been trying to get to connect my PM 9600 to my
> Sawtooth through my network to be able to use the 320GB HDD, but so far, no
> luck. Any advice on this one?
>
> -

Have you made sure all the OS X machines have AppleTalk turned on (Network
pane, System Preferences, Configure, Appletalk)?

Ken

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Re: I need networking help

[tina]

On Mandag, 28/6 2010, 09:14, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> Here are the errors i get. It simply does not see the sawtooth, or any
> computer running Mac OS X or their HDD volumes.

...

what happens if you go to the chooser, click on apple talk, then on server
adress, type in the sawtooth ip adress, and hit ok?

/tina

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Re: I need networking help

[John Carmonne]

> .
> 
> Btw, one more thing. I am attempting to install Mac OS X Tiger on my iBook 
> original clamshell (with no firewire), but so far, no luck. I hacked one of 
> the files which had the list of bad machines, no luck. XPostFacto, no luck. 
> XpostFacto does not work because it "claims" to not support the PowerBook2,1. 
> CCC, well, let's just say if  i copy it to a disk, it won't boot off that 
> copy. Anything i could do here? i do need tiger, because a broad range of my 
> network utilities require Mac OS X 10.4 or later. I don't have any other Mac 
> laptops besides this one.

Have you tried to install Tiger via USB drive from OS9? that's how I did my 
first one>

John Carmonne
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Re: I need networking help

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 28, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

>  if you want
> Leopard to work on a G3 processor, install tiger and mod it to make it look
> like leopard.

10.4 modded to 'look like' 10.5 is NOT the same as running 10.5; there are 
significant differences behind the GUI.

As for the OS X boxes that the 9600 cannot see, make sure Appletalk is turned 
on; I know for a fact that Jaguar can easily share files with earlier OS'es, 
I've done that between my old G3 beige desktop and my PB540c running OS 8.1.

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Re: I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Here are the errors i get. It simply does not see the sawtooth, or any
computer running Mac OS X or their HDD volumes. I took your advice and
upgraded the machine using the OS 9 helper and brought it up to OS 9.2.2,
and I have noticed something. I booted my iBook clamshell to OS9.0, and the
PM 9600 could see it's HDD. Once i boot it back to jaguar, It can no longer
see it. Also, Leopard can work on a G3 with a G4 upgrade, or if you want
Leopard to work on a G3 processor, install tiger and mod it to make it look
like leopard.

Btw, one more thing. I am attempting to install Mac OS X Tiger on my iBook
original clamshell (with no firewire), but so far, no luck. I hacked one of
the files which had the list of bad machines, no luck. XPostFacto, no luck.
XpostFacto does not work because it "claims" to not support the
PowerBook2,1. CCC, well, let's just say if  i copy it to a disk, it won't
boot off that copy. Anything i could do here? i do need tiger, because a
broad range of my network utilities require Mac OS X 10.4 or later. I don't
have any other Mac laptops besides this one.


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Re: I need networking help

[Dana Collins]

On 6/28/10 1:31 AM, "Mark Sokolovsky"  wrote:

> Whoa! Hold on a second! I am running happily with Leopard on my PM G4
> Sawtooth, but you're thinking about putting leopard on a G3! That is the last
> thing I would do right now, but the first thing I would try if I am simply
> done with my G3 iMac. with some mods, would Leopard run on (let's say...) on
> a
> 
> iMac G3 @600Mhz PowerPC G3
> 1GB RAM
> Mac OS X 10.4.11
> Firewire built-in
> 40GB HDD
> 
> I want to have another computer that can run Leopard comfortably like my
> sawtooth, and not to run it on a machine that barely breathes under Tiger's
> higher end video card standards.

Hi Mark,
This is an easy one. Leopard does not run on a G3 CPU... period.
Regards,
Dana


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Re: I need networking help

[Dan]

At 4:48 PM -0400 6/26/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

PM G4 Sawtooth
320GB SATA drive plugged in through firewire
iMac G3's running tiger being able to see it
iBook clamshell running Jaguar being able to see it

Power Mac 9600 running Mac OS 9.0.4. I have been trying to get to 
connect my PM 9600 to my Sawtooth through my network to be able to 
use the 320GB HDD, but so far, no luck.


At 1:31 AM -0400 6/28/2010, Mark Sokolovsky mentioned days later:

Leopard on my PM G4 Sawtooth


It would help if you included both hardware AND software information 
in your OP...


Explain please "trying to get to connect".  Do you mean via file 
sharing?  Have you verified that IP is working correctly on the 9600? 
Are both machines in the same ip subnet?  Can you see the Sawtooth in 
the sharing list at all?


WRT AFP itself,  in order to fark older Mac users, L'Jobs has older 
AFP protocol revisions ripped out of OS X with each release.  So 
Leopard has problems talking afp to the classic Mac OS.  Snow Leopard 
won't talk at all.


After upgrading to 9.2.2 on the 9600, open the TCP/IP control panel 
and set it to never unload the IP stack (options dialog).  Enable 
File Sharing and check the box for using tcp/ip.  I know you're 
trying to connect the other way, but sometimes it helps...


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Re: I need networking help

[tina]

On Lørdag, 26/6 2010, 10:48, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
...
> running Jaguar being able to see it, but then there's my Power Mac 9600
> running Mac OS 9.0.4. I have been trying to get to connect my PM 9600 to
> my
> Sawtooth through my network to be able to use the 320GB HDD, but so far,
> no
> luck. Any advice on this one?
...

are you saying that you can't see the disk from the 9600 or that you can't
see sawtooth?

what kind of errors do you get?

/tina

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Re: I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Whoa! Hold on a second! I am running happily with Leopard on my PM G4
Sawtooth, but you're thinking about putting leopard on a G3! That is the
last thing I would do right now, but the first thing I would try if I am
simply done with my G3 iMac. with some mods, would Leopard run on (let's
say...) on a

iMac G3 @600Mhz PowerPC G3
1GB RAM
Mac OS X 10.4.11
Firewire built-in
40GB HDD

I want to have another computer that can run Leopard comfortably like my
sawtooth, and not to run it on a machine that barely breathes under Tiger's
higher end video card standards.

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Re: I need networking help

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:59 PM, John Carmonne wrote:


Can I get 10.5.8 runnung on my G3 iMac 700MHz 1GB RAM?


Not without a G4 CPU upgrade since Leopard is compiled without any G3  
CPU support. Otherwise, I think almost any Mac with a G4 CPU can be  
modified to run Leopard 10.5.8.


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Re: I need networking help

[John Carmonne]

> 
> If you're using the OEM 9600 CPU you can only run OS X up to 10.2.8, but if 
> you have a G3 or G4 CPU upgrade you can install up to 10.4.11 without much 
> hassle (if you have enough RAM, and the 9600 supports 1.5GB). You can also 
> install Leopard 10.5.8 with a little hassle, which is right up your alley:
> 


Can I get 10.5.8 runnung on my G3 iMac 700MHz 1GB RAM?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: I need networking help

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 26, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


but then there's my Power Mac 9600 running Mac OS 9.0.4.


You might consider upgrading to 9.2.2 using OS 9 Helper:


Or upgrading to OS X using XPostFacto 4.0:



If you're using the OEM 9600 CPU you can only run OS X up to 10.2.8,  
but if you have a G3 or G4 CPU upgrade you can install up to 10.4.11  
without much hassle (if you have enough RAM, and the 9600 supports  
1.5GB). You can also install Leopard 10.5.8 with a little hassle,  
which is right up your alley:



As for networking OS 9 & OS X, you could Google OS9 OSX and see:




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Re: I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Btw, any computer i have that runs Mac OS X can see it, but Mac OS 9 and
earlier can't.

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I need networking help

[Mark Sokolovsky]

hello users of Lem's G3-G5 list, I have a networking problem that I have
been trying to resolve since the early half of june. On my PM G4 Sawtooth, I
have a 320GB SATA drive plugged in through firewire, and I have the entire
network of Mac OS X Systems being able to see it. I have other computers
such as my iMac G3's running tiger being able to see it, my iBook clamshell
running Jaguar being able to see it, but then there's my Power Mac 9600
running Mac OS 9.0.4. I have been trying to get to connect my PM 9600 to my
Sawtooth through my network to be able to use the 320GB HDD, but so far, no
luck. Any advice on this one?

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