Re: 10.5.7?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 24, 2009, at 6:23 AM, George R.Hozendorf wrote:

>
> Just tried to install X11-2.3.3.  Was told I needed 10.5.7.  Software
> Update says I'm up to date.  What gives?
>


Apple's current version of X11 is 2.1.5 unless they're hiding the  
update very well on Apple's site.

Where are you finding this?

I HAVE read from several sources that 10.5.7 is imminent, however.

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Re: 10.5.7?

[Doug McNutt]

At 08:42 -0700 4/24/09, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>On Apr 24, 2009, at 6:23 AM, George R.Hozendorf wrote:
>
>> Just tried to install X11-2.3.3.  Was told I needed 10.5.7.  Software
>> Update says I'm up to date.  What gives?
>>
>
>Apple's current version of X11 is 2.1.5 unless they're hiding the  
>update very well on Apple's site.
>
>Where are you finding this?
>

At 13:55 -0700 4/23/09, Jeremy Huddleston wrote:
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>I strongly recommend that if you have been using updates from 
>http://xquartz.macosforge.org , you install the 2.3.3 release after updating 
>to 10.5.7 (see my  previous email).
>
>Now, for those interested, I'd like to summarize the changes that went  into 
>10.5.7.
>
>The X11 server in 10.5.7 is very similar to what is shipped in  2.3.2.1.  
>2.3.2.1 shipped  xorg-server-1.4.2-apple31, 10.5.7 uses   
>xorg-server-1.4.2-apple33 plus the capslock fix.
>
>libGL is still the "old" libGL based off of mesa during the xfree86  era with 
>some fixes along the way.
>
>Xplugin was updated to address some memory leaks and add API needed by  this 
>server update.
>
>quartz-wm was updated to almost what was shipped in 2.3.3.  The only  
>difference between the 10.5.7 version and the 2.3.3 version is that  10.5.7's 
>doesn't call the new XAppleWMSendPSN() function in  libAppleWM.  For most of 
>you, this will mean nothing.  For those of  you running more than one server 
>at a time, this means that 10.5.7  still has the "sometimes clicking on the 
>minimized dock icon doesn't  raise a window" bug.
>
>The rest of the client side was updated only where necessary to  satisfy a 
>dependency (pixman I believe was updated for the server),  fix build issues 
>(Xrandr, Xdamage), or address security issues  (freetype, libpng... you know, 
>the regular offenders).
>
>If you have any specific questions about what is in the update, feel  free to 
>ask or just look yourself:
>http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5.7/
>
>Note that the link doesn't seem to be active yet, but it should be  valid in 
>the next few days.

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Re: 10.5.7?

[George R. Hozendorf]

On Apr 24, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 24, 2009, at 6:23 AM, George R.Hozendorf wrote:
>
>>
>> Just tried to install X11-2.3.3.  Was told I needed 10.5.7.  Software
>> Update says I'm up to date.  What gives?
>>
>
>
> Apple's current version of X11 is 2.1.5 unless they're hiding the
> update very well on Apple's site.
>
> Where are you finding this?
>
> I HAVE read from several sources that 10.5.7 is imminent, however.
>
> --  
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
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>
> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs

It was on today's Version Tracker list.
>
>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 24, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

>
> At 08:42 -0700 4/24/09, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> On Apr 24, 2009, at 6:23 AM, George R.Hozendorf wrote:
>>
>>> Just tried to install X11-2.3.3.  Was told I needed 10.5.7.   
>>> Software
>>> Update says I'm up to date.  What gives?
>>>
>>
>> Apple's current version of X11 is 2.1.5 unless they're hiding the
>> update very well on Apple's site.
>>
>> Where are you finding this?
>>
>>
>> If you have any specific questions about what is in the update,  
>> feel  free to ask or just look yourself:
>> http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.5.7/

Well, heck if Darwin 10.5.7 is out, that means OS X 10.5.7 can't be  
too far behind...though Software Update doesn't have it yet.

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Re: 10.5.7

[Kris Tilford]

On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:

>
> Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files
> appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue
> screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.
>
> Help.

Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts  
normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and  
rebuilds the kernel & extensions caches, which should hopefully be all  
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Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

Will do - thank you!

On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>>
>> Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files
>> appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue
>> screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.
>>
>> Help.
>
> Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts
> normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and
> rebuilds the kernel & extensions caches, which should hopefully be all
> the help your system needs? Good luck!
>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

It kept doing it, but I force quit it and zapped the pram and it  
seemed to clear it up - for now.  It had been doing that loop closed  
to every minute.  Any idea what that was about?


On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>>
>> Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files
>> appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue
>> screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.
>>
>> Help.
>
> Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts
> normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and
> rebuilds the kernel & extensions caches, which should hopefully be all
> the help your system needs? Good luck!
>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

I was wrong about that - for some reason it started up on 10.5.6,  
which is the system on my backup volume.  This is nuts.


On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>>
>> Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files
>> appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue
>> screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.
>>
>> Help.
>
> Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts
> normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and
> rebuilds the kernel & extensions caches, which should hopefully be all
> the help your system needs? Good luck!
>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

Ok, this seems crazy to me.  To someone out there it may make perfect  
sense.  I have had big problems with my Quicksilver 2002 933Mhz for  
awhile.  As the result of trying to salvage some life out of it  
because I need it and can't afford a new one, at the same time trying  
to save files I need, I've installed a larger HD, cloned the contents  
of the original HD onto the larger one and have been using the larger  
one to operate.  I downloaded the 10.5.7 upgrade and installed it on  
the larger HD, which had been 10.5.6.  10.5.6 remains on the smaller,  
original HD.

After installing 10.5.7, it has been looping the startup process from  
blue screen to all apps, files, etc., i.e., working mode.  After  
approx. 1 minute in that mode it goes to blue screen, then back.

On advice from Kris Tilford I did a Safe Boot.  No good, same thing,  
except it looped to the Safe Boot screen over and over.  I zapped the  
pram, and thought that did the job because the loop stopped.  But it  
didn't, it just started from 10.5.6.  I thought maybe I'd made a  
mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd  
done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure to  
choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7  and same exactly the  
same thing happened.

What the bleep is going on here?  Anybody know?

Thanks.

Vince


On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>>
>> Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files
>> appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue
>> screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.
>>
>> Help.
>
> Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts
> normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and
> rebuilds the kernel & extensions caches, which should hopefully be all
> the help your system needs? Good luck!
>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:

> But it
> didn't, it just started from 10.5.6.  I thought maybe I'd made a
> mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd
> done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure to
> choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7  and same exactly the
> same thing happened.
>
> What the bleep is going on here?  Anybody know?

Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you  
thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on?

Something happened during the update procedure.

What I would do is download the *combo* 10.5.7 update, and run it  
again. see what happens.

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Re: 10.5.7

[joe]

On May 24, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>> But it
>> didn't, it just started from 10.5.6.  I thought maybe I'd made a
>> mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd
>> done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making  
>> sure to
>> choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7  and same exactly the
>> same thing happened.
>>
>> What the bleep is going on here?  Anybody know?
>
> Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you
> thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on?


It sounds to me like he has 10.5.7 on one partition and 10.5.6 on  
another.  The 10.5.7 system is messed up and not bootable, and now  
it's starting up from the other one.

Joe


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Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

10.5.6 is on one hard drive.  10.5.6 is on another.  10.5.7 boots, but  
gets stuck in a loop - once it's fully "up", after a minute, it goes  
to blue screen, and then quickly to "up", then a minute goes by, then  
it goes to blue screen and repeats the process.

But, if you boot it and zap the pram, although it was specifically  
booted from the 10.5.7 hard drive, it boots from 10.5.6.

On May 24, 2009, at 11:33 AM, joe wrote:

>
>
> On May 24, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>> On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>>
>>> But it
>>> didn't, it just started from 10.5.6.  I thought maybe I'd made a
>>> mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something  
>>> I'd
>>> done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making
>>> sure to
>>> choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7  and same exactly the
>>> same thing happened.
>>>
>>> What the bleep is going on here?  Anybody know?
>>
>> Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you
>> thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on?
>
>
> It sounds to me like he has 10.5.7 on one partition and 10.5.6 on
> another.  The 10.5.7 system is messed up and not bootable, and now
> it's starting up from the other one.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

Nope.  I can boot from the drive that 10.5.7 is installed on.  But it  
only lasts for one minute and goes to blue screen, then comes up again  
quickly, then goes to blue screen again and repeats it until you force  
quit.  Once it actually worked for awhile inexplicably but next time  
it was booted went back to that routine.

I have 10.5.6 on another drive.  It was my backup.  I started from the  
10.5.7 drive and decided to zap the pram to see if that helped the  
endless 10.5.7-to-blue screen loop.  After three bell chimes it came  
up - but had booted from the 10.5.6 drive.  I thought I'd made a  
mistake so repeated the process, making sure to choose the 10.5.7  
drive in startup-disc pref, and although I clearly choose the 10.5.7  
drive, after zapping the pram it booted from 10.5.6.

However, after that, I booted from the 10.5.7 drive and did not zap  
the pram.  It booted from that drive in 10.5.7 but went to the loop.

Dumb question:  Where do I get the combo update?  I downloaded mine by  
choosing "Software Update" in the apple pull down menu.

Thanks


On May 24, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>> But it
>> didn't, it just started from 10.5.6.  I thought maybe I'd made a
>> mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd
>> done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure  
>> to
>> choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7  and same exactly the
>> same thing happened.
>>
>> What the bleep is going on here?  Anybody know?
>
> Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you
> thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on?
>
> Something happened during the update procedure.
>
> What I would do is download the *combo* 10.5.7 update, and run it
> again. see what happens.
>
> -- 
> Bruce Johnson
>
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>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On May 24, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
> Dumb question:  Where do I get the combo update?  I downloaded mine by
> choosing "Software Update" in the apple pull down menu.

(not dumb ... its seems hidden to me)

Currently its located at:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/ 
macosx1057comboupdate.html

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Re: 10.5.7

[Herbert Goodfriend]

I received the following advice in the latest TechRestore e-mail 
bulletin (which they apparently obtained from MacFixit):

Since the 10.5.7 update was released, we have had a number of systems 
come in for repair with related problems. I'm sorry to say that I 
even got stung with this one and have spend a few hours cleaning up 
from the 10.5.7 debacle on my MacBook Pro. Thus, we are not 
recommending the Mac OS 10.5.7 update UNLESS you follow these steps:

1. Don't use Software Update. Instead, download the standalone "Combo" updater.
2. Reboot into Safe Mode.
3. Run the Apple Disk Utility application and perform a Permissions 
fix and hard drive repair.
4. Run the Combo 10.5.7 updater.
5. Immediately repair permissions again using Apple Disk Utility.

Thanks to our friends at MacFixit.com for these tips - be careful 
with this update, we are seeing a lot of machines coming in with 
problems related to 10.5.7.


Herb Goodfriend

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Re: 10.5.7

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:

> Dumb question:  Where do I get the combo update?  I downloaded mine by
> choosing "Software Update" in the apple pull down menu.


Go to Apple's website, and you'll ind it under Support > Downloads.
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Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

Thank you, did attempt.  10.5.6 HD too unstable to complete download.


On May 24, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On May 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>> Dumb question:  Where do I get the combo update?  I downloaded mine  
>> by
>> choosing "Software Update" in the apple pull down menu.
>
>
> Go to Apple's website, and you'll ind it under Support > Downloads.
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Re: 10.5.7

[Bill Connelly]

On May 24, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Herbert Goodfriend wrote:

>
> I received the following advice in the latest TechRestore e-mail
> bulletin (which they apparently obtained from MacFixit):
>
> Since the 10.5.7 update was released, we have had a number of systems
> come in for repair with related problems. I'm sorry to say that I
> even got stung with this one and have spend a few hours cleaning up
> from the 10.5.7 debacle on my MacBook Pro. Thus, we are not
> recommending the Mac OS 10.5.7 update UNLESS you follow these steps:
>
> 1. Don't use Software Update. Instead, download the standalone  
> "Combo" updater.
> 2. Reboot into Safe Mode.
> 3. Run the Apple Disk Utility application and perform a Permissions
> fix and hard drive repair.
> 4. Run the Combo 10.5.7 updater.
> 5. Immediately repair permissions again using Apple Disk Utility.
>
> Thanks to our friends at MacFixit.com for these tips - be careful
> with this update, we are seeing a lot of machines coming in with
> problems related to 10.5.7.



This is what I have experienced too except ...

After doing all of the above, even with applejack ... I just got  
another kp on a simple cold boot..

It had to search for a valid harddrive again ... ever so quickly.  
Wasn't doing this with 10.5.6.

My new system should be stable. I might try going back to 10.5.6.

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Re: 10.5.7

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 24, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:

>
> Thank you, did attempt.  10.5.6 HD too unstable to complete download.
>


Ok, so your backup AND your updated disks are unstable.

This is NEW information, and indicates that the problems with 10.5.7  
may not be related to 10.5.7, but to something else. Are these  
separate disks or merely separate partitions on the same disk?

Can you run disk repair from a boot DVD?

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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On May 24, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Herbert Goodfriend wrote:

>
> I received the following advice in the latest TechRestore e-mail
> bulletin (which they apparently obtained from MacFixit):
>
> Since the 10.5.7 update was released, we have had a number of systems
> come in for repair with related problems. I'm sorry to say that I
> even got stung with this one and have spend a few hours cleaning up
> from the 10.5.7 debacle on my MacBook Pro. Thus, we are not
> recommending the Mac OS 10.5.7 update UNLESS you follow these steps:
>
> 1. Don't use Software Update. Instead, download the standalone  
> "Combo" updater.
> 2. Reboot into Safe Mode.
> 3. Run the Apple Disk Utility application and perform a Permissions
> fix and hard drive repair.
> 4. Run the Combo 10.5.7 updater.
> 5. Immediately repair permissions again using Apple Disk Utility.
>
> Thanks to our friends at MacFixit.com for these tips - be careful
> with this update, we are seeing a lot of machines coming in with
> problems related to 10.5.7.
>
>
> Herb Goodfriend


Is this still the case with 10.5.7? I had problems ...

After replacing my 10.5.6, and doing some file repairs and removal of  
a flaky USB2 card, I am ready to try again with the 10.5.7 update on  
my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz.

Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments?

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Re: 10.5.7

[PeterH]

On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:44 AM, insightinmind wrote:

> Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments?

Works properly on my "Macks" and my Hacks.

Installed on my Hacks first, and the Combo Updater was indeed  
required, but none of the other steps were (two executions of  
permissions repairs and use of Safe Mode).

Installed on my "Macks" last, and the Combo Updater was all that was  
required.


10.5.7 breaks the sound driver, so Hacks will have to reinstall  
whatever they are using for sound.




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Re: 10.5.7

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On Jun 5, 12:44 pm, insightinmind  wrote:

> After replacing my 10.5.6, and doing some file repairs and removal of  
> a flaky USB2 card, I am ready to try again with the 10.5.7 update on  
> my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz.
>
> Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments?

On three machines, iBook G4/1.33Ghz, MacBook, and aluminum Intel iMac,
I used the Combo package manually downloaded to one machine and then
transferred to the other Macs via Target Disk Mode.  Repaired
Permissions and Verified Disk on all, then updated.  No Safe Mode.  No
problems.

Al Poulin
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Re: 10.5.7

[Bill Connelly]

On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Al Poulin wrote:

>
> On Jun 5, 12:44 pm, insightinmind  wrote:
>
>> After replacing my 10.5.6, and doing some file repairs and removal of
>> a flaky USB2 card, I am ready to try again with the 10.5.7 update on
>> my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz.
>>
>> Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments?
>
> On three machines, iBook G4/1.33Ghz, MacBook, and aluminum Intel iMac,
> I used the Combo package manually downloaded to one machine and then
> transferred to the other Macs via Target Disk Mode.  Repaired
> Permissions and Verified Disk on all, then updated.  No Safe Mode.  No
> problems.
>
> Al Poulin

Good to hear. My Software Update in 10.5.6 appeared to be broken ...  
just sat and spun its Aqua Bar ... manual downloads seem to be the way  
for me, too. It is working now under 10.5.7.

I may be having problems again with a third party driver by M-Audio.  
Everything is up-to-date of what is offered, but installing the 10.5.7  
Combo is resulting in the existing setup to kp and blue screen.  
Removing the M-Audio components gives no kp / no blue screen as far as  
I have experienced so far ...

They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to  
installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really  
seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their  
part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+

My hardware setup is, once again:

QS 2002 Dual 1GHz with replaced mobo

1.5GB fresh RAM
OS X 10.5.6-7
Seagate 750GB 7200.10 off mobo IDE channel

AGP1 ATI Radeon 9800Pro ME
PCI2 empty for airflow
PCI3 M-Audio Delta 2496 audio card
PCI4 empty for simplicity
PCI5 Sonnet Tango USB/FW

Upgrading OS X shouldn't be this toublesome ...


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Re: 10.5.7

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to
> installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really
> seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their
> part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+

They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they  
shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items.

THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their / 
Library/Receipts bom files.

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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On Jun 6, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>
>> They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to
>> installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really
>> seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their
>> part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+
>
> They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they
> shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party  
> items.
>
> THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their /
> Library/Receipts bom files.


So ... when someone does a Combo update like 10.5.7, and the  
resulting system acts as I described above in my hijacking of this  
thread, what gives? (bluescreen freeze, and kps when trying to access  
the Dock early in a Startup (mds seems to be running, too). Is it  
having the ATI Radeon 9800Pro installed when doing the Combo update,  
it not being an original Apple video card like the Geforce4MX?.

I'm currently running applejack in auto pilot mode, prior to re- 
installing the M-Audio drivers, thinking that may straighten things  
out first. Doing a few Startups and Restarts as tests. Have also used  
OnyX to Reset > Spotlight Index.

Another time, I did rid of something, I think called,  
BootCacheHelper.plist (thats not the name, but the idea). It was  
suppose to aid in Startups with a known schedule of items to connect  
to / load (layman terms), to help speed up the process. It doesn't  
seem to be back, as far as I can tell. Did I do something bad?


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Re: 10.5.7

[Eric Volker]

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Bruce Johnson
wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>
> > They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to
> > installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really
> > seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their
> > part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+
>
> They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they
> shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items.
>
> THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their /
> Library/Receipts bom files.
>
What Bruce said, but for slightly different reasons. I have an M-Audio
Revolution 7.1 that I had in my old Quicksilver. It worked great in Panther,
but everything went downhill with Tiger. Stuttering and kernel panics were
suddenly all the rage. I finally got fed up with M-Audio's crappy drivers,
and now have an Echo Indigo IO in my dual G5. Don't ask me how I got a
PCMCIA card into a G5 tower. It's a long and harrowing tale. But once I got
it working it was flawless.

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Re: 10.5.7

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/6/09 11:02 AM, "Bruce Johnson"  Broadcast
into the ether:

> On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:
> 
>> They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to
>> installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really
>> seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their
>> part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+
> 
> They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they
> shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items.
> 
> THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their /
> Library/Receipts bom files.

He's right.  Bruce hates the overuse of Permissions Repair as the "magical
solution" (remember the "cuda button days?") as much as I do.

I am an apple Certified Technician.  I to it for a living.  Bruce is right.
As he almost always isdidn't I get you with 1 wrong answer?  Or
semi-wrong?

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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

>
> On 6/6/09 11:02 AM, "Bruce Johnson"   
> Broadcast
>
> He's right.  Bruce hates the overuse of Permissions Repair as the  
> "magical
> solution" (remember the "cuda button days?") as much as I do.
>
> I am an apple Certified Technician.  I to it for a living.  Bruce  
> is right.
> As he almost always isdidn't I get you with 1 wrong answer?  Or
> semi-wrong?
>
> Kyle Hansen


To try and resolve my Upgrade to 10.5.7 issues, I have since done  
this, and am currently claiming success:

1. Manually/otherwise Uninstall M-Audio (3rd party) components.
2. Restart in Single User Mode and Run applejack in *a*uto pilot mode  
(multistep sequence: Repairs Disk, Repairs Permissions, Clears  
Virtual Memory, clears caches, checks validity of preference files,  
etc, IIRC)
3. Shutdown, Rest, and Startup, allowing 3rd party-free system to  
stabilize (see Activity Monitor settle - allow Spotlight (mds) to  
finish, kextcache, find, etc to conclude).
4. Test system by Shutdown, Rest, and Startup.
5. Install M-Audio (3rd party) components, Restart until you can  
Shutdown.
6. Startup in Single User Mode and Run applejack in *a*uto pilot mode  
(multistep sequence)
7. Shutdown and let rest.
8. Startup resetting PRAM using opt-command-P-R

Somewhere along the way I also used OnyX to Reset > Spotlight Index,  
since part of the issues may be related to corrupt Spotlight files.  
Letting Spotlight finish has become something to watch out for,  
before using a freshly Startup'ed system, and / or before Restarting.

Trying to trust the OS X 10.5.7 system that appears to be working as  
of the typing of this line ... just Startup'ed very cleanly after  
being down for a few hours.

If others have success with this idea, please comment. Thanks

I may return to 10.5.6 until the techno-dust settles ... I made a CCC  
3.2.1 clone of it before upgrading to 10.5.7 ... A bunch of folks on  
Apple Discussions, are complaining about this upgrade ...

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Re: 10.5.7

[Kyle Hansen]

Download the 10.5.7 combo updater.  INSTALL.  Even if you have upgraded.
That will resolve all OS issues.  I did it on this laptop just a few mins
ago.  Then go get updated drivers for your 3rd party stuff and/or reinstall.


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Re: 10.5.7

[Clark Martin]

Kyle Hansen wrote:
> On 6/6/09 11:02 AM, "Bruce Johnson"  Broadcast
> into the ether:
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>>
>>> They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to
>>> installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really
>>> seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their
>>> part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+
>> They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they
>> shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items.
>>
>> THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their /
>> Library/Receipts bom files.

Is it JUST Apples files or anything using THE Installer and leaving 
Receipts files, I would think it's the latter.

> 
> He's right.  Bruce hates the overuse of Permissions Repair as the "magical
> solution" (remember the "cuda button days?") as much as I do.

PRAM Reset and Desktop Rebuild were the two older "Magic Bullets" that 
weren't.  I think what people missed with these two that they also 
included a restart which likely fixed 99% of the problems but people 
attributed the fix to PRAM Reset or Desktop Rebuild.  That's why in the 
rare cases I DO recommend PRAM Reset or the even rarer Desktop Rebuild I 
mention that it is one of the rare cases when it might work.

I've been amazed at the things some people have recommend these fixes 
for.  It just shows they don't know what is happening inside.

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Re: 10.5.7

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

> Is it JUST Apples files or anything using THE Installer and leaving
> Receipts files, I would think it's the latter.

You're correct, it's the latter. For example, Flash Player always  
installs files with alternate permissions, and Disk Utility>Repair  
Permissions usually changes them. Some 3rd party installer packages  
don't create receipts, so they won't ever repair the permissions &  
ownerships. Sometimes the permissions & ownerships are wrong in the  
receipt, and in this case, if you run Repair Permissions it will "fix"  
it wrong.

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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

>
> Download the 10.5.7 combo updater.  INSTALL.  Even if you have  
> upgraded.
> That will resolve all OS issues.  I did it on this laptop just a  
> few mins
> ago.  Then go get updated drivers for your 3rd party stuff and/or  
> reinstall.


That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my  
working 10.5.6 OS X.

M-Audio has had the same Delta 2496 Audiophile "2.0.8" driver for  
some time ... their "Uninstaller" doesn't work in 10.5 (did work in  
10.3 and 10.4), and I had to do a manual uninstall. (I recently  
noticed one of their files ended up in the Trash, maybe after  
applejack ... a prefs file I think ... and it got recreated on next  
Startup ... I think this might be a point of investigation ...  
currently under scrutiny ... maybe M-Audio's no longer creating it  
correctly on a first time basis? applejack throwing it out fixed  
things? My system kp's on a first Startup after installing 2.0.8 ...  
running applejack, then Startup and things seem ok ...). The other  
part of my installation I did not do according to Precription, is  
that I am leaving the PCI card in its slot while all this Uninstall/ 
Install is going on ...

I believe that is where my 3rd party driver package / OS X system  
problem lies ... applejack on autopilot, PRAM Reset, and Spotlight  
Index Reset, seemed to work it out.

What can I say ... I've read up on how Permissions Repair basically  
does nothing ... sort of ...

Thanks for your responses ... I really don't know what is actually  
going on under the hood ... but I can sense if things are running  
well ... whatever that means.

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Re: 10.5.7

[Nestamicky]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:03 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

> It just shows they don't know what is happening inside

So, what's really is happening inside of a Permission Repair order?


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Re: 10.5.7

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/7/09 7:48 AM, "insightinmind"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my
> working 10.5.6 OS X.

Did you download it from Apple's site or did you use the software update in
your apple menu?

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Re: 10.5.7

[PeterH]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

> Did you download it from Apple's site or did you use the software  
> update in
> your apple menu?

FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 "combo" update directly from  
Apple's site worked perfectly on every "Mack" or Hack which I have.

Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update, through  
"Software Update ...", failed in EVERY case, "Mack" as well as Hack.



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Re: 10.5.7

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/7/09 3:04 PM, "PeterH"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 "combo" update directly from
> Apple's site worked perfectly on every "Mack" or Hack which I have.
> 
> Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update, through
> "Software Update ...", failed in EVERY case, "Mack" as well as Hack.

That's what I am getting at.

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Re: 10.5.7

[PeterH]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

>> FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 "combo" update directly from
>> Apple's site worked perfectly on every "Mack" or Hack which I have.
>>
>> Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update, through
>> "Software Update ...", failed in EVERY case, "Mack" as well as Hack.
>
> That's what I am getting at.


Let's say you have a couple of "Macks" in your shop.

And, let's say you also have a couple of Hacks in your shop, and all  
of them are using the "vanilla" MacOS X kernel and the hidden  
partition for your EFI emulator and Boot132 for your boot loader.

And, let's say you have a 1 GB thumb drive with the file  
"MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" as a "flat" file on that thumb drive, plus  
you also have the audio packages which are needed for each Hack (none  
are needed for a "Mack", of course).

Then, simply run "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" against each "Mack" and/ 
or run "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" against each Hack PLUS run the  
applicable audio package against each Hack, and

Every "Mack" and Hack will be brought up to 10.5.7 and you will loose  
no functions PLUS you will gain all functions provided by 10.5.7.


P.S. Some Netbooks use a different address for their GMA950, in which  
case you may have to edit the two GMA950 kexts. If you successfully  
got your Netbook Hack to 10.5.6, then you'll know which kexts those are.


The site referenced below contains a number of audio packages which  
have been extensively tested, and are known to work.

"Guides" for building Hacks can also be found there, too.



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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

>
> On 6/7/09 7:48 AM, "insightinmind"   
> Broadcast into
> the ether:
>
>> That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my
>> working 10.5.6 OS X.
>
> Did you download it from Apple's site or did you use the software  
> update in
> your apple menu?


Actually, my Software Update was broken in 10.5.6 ... just spun its  
Aqua Bar ... so (as was suggested by others):
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/ 
macosx1057comboupdate.html

Software Update's working again in 10.5.7 ... just updated iTunes,  
Quicktime, Airport, and iLife via same.

10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined  
earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in  
OS X thing someone shared awhile back ... just specific to my setup  
using a 3rd party M-Audio v2.0.8: driver/apps/Unix Exec code "helper"  
files/etc.

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Re: 10.5.7

[George R. Hozendorf]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:32 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
>
>>
>> On 6/7/09 7:48 AM, "insightinmind" 
>> Broadcast into
>> the ether:
>>
>>> That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my
>>> working 10.5.6 OS X.
>>
>> Did you download it from Apple's site or did you use the software
>> update in
>> your apple menu?
>
>
> Actually, my Software Update was broken in 10.5.6 ... just spun its
> Aqua Bar ... so (as was suggested by others):
> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/
> macosx1057comboupdate.html
>
> Software Update's working again in 10.5.7 ... just updated iTunes,
> Quicktime, Airport, and iLife via same.
>
> 10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined
> earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in
> OS X thing someone shared awhile back ... just specific to my setup
> using a 3rd party M-Audio v2.0.8: driver/apps/Unix Exec code "helper"
> files/etc.
>
> Bill Connelly
> artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
> myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio

Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again.  In  
switching computers I deleted it.

Thanks,
George
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: 10.5.7

[Fabian Fang]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:36 AM, George R. Hozendorf wrote:

> On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:32 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>
>> 10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined
>> earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in
>> OS X thing someone shared awhile back ...

> Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again.  In
> switching computers I deleted it.


Archived messages for this list are readily available and easily  
searchable at:


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Re: 10.5.7

[insightinmind]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:36 AM, George R. Hozendorf wrote:
>
> Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again.  In
> switching computers I deleted it.
>
> Thanks,
> George
>>>
>


Log onto the G3-G5 Google site ... It should be saved earlier in this  
thread, but on the G3-G5 Google site:
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/ 
dce5dc5470e66063/6365129f0cf421ab#

... let's see, it starts out as:

To try and resolve my Upgrade to 10.5.7 issues, I have since done
this, and am currently claiming success: ...

and is my "Jun 7" entry in this thread.

Its basically using applejack's 5 step auto pilot clean-up, in Single  
User Mode, and OnyX's resetting of Spotlight Index (Spotlight part  
may not be necessary, but that is what I did along the way), after  
you're back up running.

Here's applejack's link:
http://applejack.sourceforge.net/

Here is an article which I found particularly helpful a while ago:
12-Step Program to Isolate Freezes and/or Kernel Panics

which I think you can link to via (you may need to join the forum  
first):
http://macsimumnews.com/macosgforums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=800

Hope this helps.

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Re: 10.5.7

[George R. Hozendorf]

On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:31 PM, PeterH wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:
>
>>> FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 "combo" update directly from
>>> Apple's site worked perfectly on every "Mack" or Hack which I have.
>>>
>>> Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update,  
>>> through
>>> "Software Update ...", failed in EVERY case, "Mack" as well as Hack.
>>
>> That's what I am getting at.
>
>
> Let's say you have a couple of "Macks" in your shop.
>
> And, let's say you also have a couple of Hacks in your shop, and all
> of them are using the "vanilla" MacOS X kernel and the hidden
> partition for your EFI emulator and Boot132 for your boot loader.
>
> And, let's say you have a 1 GB thumb drive with the file
> "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" as a "flat" file on that thumb drive, plus
> you also have the audio packages which are needed for each Hack (none
> are needed for a "Mack", of course).
>
> Then, simply run "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" against each "Mack" and/
> or run "MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg" against each Hack PLUS run the
> applicable audio package against each Hack, and
>
> Every "Mack" and Hack will be brought up to 10.5.7 and you will loose
> no functions PLUS you will gain all functions provided by 10.5.7.
>
>
> P.S. Some Netbooks use a different address for their GMA950, in which
> case you may have to edit the two GMA950 kexts. If you successfully
> got your Netbook Hack to 10.5.6, then you'll know which kexts those  
> are.
>
>
> The site referenced below contains a number of audio packages which
> have been extensively tested, and are known to work.
>
> "Guides" for building Hacks can also be found there, too.
>
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a <+> A home for the Hackintosh
> community.
>
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> +subscr...@googlegroups.com
>
> "The site referenced below.."  Don't see it.
>
>
> >


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