Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 22, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Ralph Green wrote: I tried a QS processor in an earlier G4 chassis today. It did not work, and I am wondering what to try next. The G4 was an older model than I expected. It is a Sawtooth model. There are two basic later G4 processor types: 133 MHz bus and 100 MHz bus. A QS processor is for a 133 MHz bus model, and it will only work in 133 MHz bus models, namely the DA and the QS 2001 and QS 2002, only. The earlier processors, such as a Gigabit E-net may work in several models, but I'm not as sure of how far the 100 MHz bus processor compatibility goes. Giga-Designs (and the OWC-branded processors which Giga-Designs makes for OWC) are designed for both 133 and 100 MHz bus models. Other than the bus speed, there is the issue of the location of the processor's connector, clearances for certain other connectors on the motherboard, and the location of the cooling fans. The innovative Giga-Designs product is designed to be adjustable to cover all 133 and most 100 MHz bus models in one user-configurable product. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 22, 12:03 am, Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Howdy, [snip] Or, it could be that this hack does not work on the Sawtooth. Any thoughts? We've been through this argument before. There was a guy selling modified board from 133mhz bus to work on 100mhz, listed a bunch on ebay consecutively w/ no complaints for a while. Not too long ago, but Haven't seen any lately, he may have run out. Somewhere in this group archives you may find the link of the old ebay ad. No idea what he did. But it is possible. I'll still try this hack on my G4 Gigabit Ethernet later. My friend has 12 of these Sawtooths that we would like to upgrade for a school, so we decided to try one of those first. He had been telling me they were G4 Digital Audios, but they weren't. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote: A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that? Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of these required a special power cable adapter. Apple also made a slow dual processor board for a Digital Audio: dual 533 MHz (DA). This did not require any power adapter. I can see no way that a dual 533 could be run at 933. It is theoretically possible to down-clock an 1000 or overclock an 800. However, although the dual 800 and the dual 1000 processors were made using the very same raw board, there are major differences between the dual 800 and the dual 1000. The components which are apparently missing on a dual 800 are present on a dual 1000, and the components which are apparently missing on a dual 1000 are present on a dual 800. In this way, Apple make it impossible to convert a dual 800 to a dual 1000 (or any frequency above 800), or to convert a dual 1000 to a dual 800 (or any frequency below 1000). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
I've heard of people, and know some people who run quicksilver dual processors in digital audio powermacs. -Jonas On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, PeterHpeterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote: A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that? Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of these required a special power cable adapter. Apple also made a slow dual processor board for a Digital Audio: dual 533 MHz (DA). This did not require any power adapter. I can see no way that a dual 533 could be run at 933. It is theoretically possible to down-clock an 1000 or overclock an 800. However, although the dual 800 and the dual 1000 processors were made using the very same raw board, there are major differences between the dual 800 and the dual 1000. The components which are apparently missing on a dual 800 are present on a dual 1000, and the components which are apparently missing on a dual 1000 are present on a dual 800. In this way, Apple make it impossible to convert a dual 800 to a dual 1000 (or any frequency above 800), or to convert a dual 1000 to a dual 800 (or any frequency below 1000). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
So what would I need to purchase to make my 533mhz a dual 800mhz or dual 1000mhz? On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:03 PM, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote: A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that? Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of these required a special power cable adapter. Apple also made a slow dual processor board for a Digital Audio: dual 533 MHz (DA). This did not require any power adapter. I can see no way that a dual 533 could be run at 933. It is theoretically possible to down-clock an 1000 or overclock an 800. However, although the dual 800 and the dual 1000 processors were made using the very same raw board, there are major differences between the dual 800 and the dual 1000. The components which are apparently missing on a dual 800 are present on a dual 1000, and the components which are apparently missing on a dual 1000 are present on a dual 800. In this way, Apple make it impossible to convert a dual 800 to a dual 1000 (or any frequency above 800), or to convert a dual 1000 to a dual 800 (or any frequency below 1000). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I've heard of people, and know some people who run quicksilver dual processors in digital audio powermacs. Easy as pie, provided you make your own +12 volt power adapter cable. A QS 2001 dual 800 MHz processor will run at 800 MHz on a Digital Audio. A QS 2002 dual 1000 MHz processor will run at 1000 MHz on a Digital Audio. So far, I have four dual 1000 MHz DAs in-house, although three of these have been replaced by very fast Hackintoshes, most running way in excess of 3000 MHz, often with four processors. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Matthew Burks wrote: So what would I need to purchase to make my 533mhz a dual 800mhz or dual 1000mhz? You would need, at a very minimum: 1) a dual 800 or dual 1000 processor, 2) a matching heatsink, 3) a Quicksilver-type fan unit (the DA-type fan unit is not usable), and 4) a special cable which accepts +12 volts and +12 volts return from an available hard drive connector and provides: 4a) +12 volts to the fifth hole in the QS processor, 4b) +12 volts to the QS fan unit, and 4c) +12 volts return to the QS fan unit. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:17 PM, insightinmind wrote: In researching my new DA, I ran across this LEM article that talks a little about a Dual 533 being incorrectly reported as a Dual 933: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/digital-audio-power-mac-g4.html To quote: At least one version of OS X reports the dual 533 MHz Digital Audio Power Mac as a dual 933 MHz G4 (11.3). There never was a 933 MHz dual G4 from Apple. Period. End of story! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:03 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote: A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that? Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of these required a special power cable adapter. He might have been talking about 3rd party upgrades. According to everymac.com http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/powerlogix/powerforce_g4_133/powerforce_g4_133_933_dual.html or http://tinyurl.com/g2qm2 Powerlogix made a dual 933 back in 2003 and probably into 2004. FWIW, I have a Powerlogix dual 1.2GHz in my DA (originally a 533) running Leopard. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: Powerlogix made a dual 933 back in 2003 and probably into 2004. FWIW, I have a Powerlogix dual 1.2GHz in my DA (originally a 533) running Leopard. Sounds right. Right now, Freescale is making 1.4 MHz and slower G4s, and that's about all. Gone are the days of factory 1.5, 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 GHz G4s Any faster ones are overclocked chips which have been hand-selected by the OEM vendor. There is always a sweet spot for price-performance. At one point, this was 1.2 GHz on third party single G4 replacement processors for 100 and 133 MHz bus G4s. At that particular point, I elected to go with dual 1.0 GHz Apple Quicksilver 2002 processors, and I was not disappointed. That is, until the Intels came out. I mean, of course, the Hackintosh Intels, not the Mackintosh Intels. After numerous benchmarks of various kinds of CD and DVD authoring and duplication, it came down to these basic stats: 1) a greater than 4.7 GB DVD compressed down to within a 4.7 GB DVD in about 60 minutes, using a dual 1.0 GHz G4 Mackintosh under Tiger (10.4.11), and 2) a greater than 4.7 GB DVD compressed down to within a 4.7 GB DVD in about 12.5 minutes, using a dual 3.6 GHz C2D or a 3.2 GHz C2Q Hackintosh, under Leopard (10.5.6 or 10.5.7). With a nearly five-to-one advantage (wall clock time) in favor of Hackintoshes, I converted all my CD and DVD work over to Hacks. I still have one dual 1.0 GHz G4 Mack in use, primarily for Mail.app and also for running the Classic versions of Photoshop and Acrobat creator. Everything else goes on the Hacks. Also, I have gone away from my 500 MHz Pismo with 1 GB of RAM. I am now using a OCZ Neutrino (Intel Atom-based build it yourself Netbook) with 2.0 GB of RAM, built-in WiFi, built-in iCam, built-in card reader, builtin Express-34 slot for Firewire and eSATA expansion, and all the other goodies one expects from a Netbook running Leopard 10.5.7. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
