Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[Kris Tilford]

On Jul 16, 2012, at 12:39 PM, James Morgan wrote:

I get a nice window offering to send a crash report to Apple (as if  
they care about an older operating system).


If you look at this report, you'll see what the reason for the panic  
is, and might possibly be able to suss out the cause.


All of these panics are kept in the system log files, and you can look  
at them using Console under Log files>/Library/Logs>PanicReporter. In  
PanicReporter you'll want to find the line that says: "Kernel loadable  
modules in backtrace" and then the next line will show you what the  
likely cause for the panic was.


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Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[John Carmonne]

On Jul 16, 2012, at 5:26 PM, James Morgan wrote:

> I used to rely on Diskwarrior a lot. I will upgrade my copy and give it a 
> try. Thanks for the suggestion.  I also used Tech Tool Pro a few years ago 
> when I was still running OS 9. Do you recommend Tech Tool Pro as well, or is 
> Diskwarrior sufficient?
> James Morgan

DiskWarrior can be magic some times Tech Tool never helped me any more than 
disk utility. DiskWarrior is my number one goto. Also re install the system can 
be the fix or a combination of the two.


John Carmonne
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Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[Dan]

At 5:39 PM + 7/16/2012, James Morgan wrote:
I have a 4 X 2.5 GHz (quad) PowerPC G5 with 8 GB Ram. For a long 
time I ran OS 10.4 but just recently completed upgrading to OS 
10.5.8. Since completing this upgrade I now get deadpan messages 
saying "you need to restart your computer.

[snip]
Who is sending this really frustrating message that I must now hold 
down the power button and restart?


As pointed out - you're experiencing a kernel panic.

Your next step is to take a look at the system and panic logs. 
Therein you will find all sorts of nice error messages ... and in the 
panic log especially, hopefully something that will point to the 
exact problem.


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Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[James Morgan]

I used to rely on Diskwarrior a lot. I will upgrade my copy and give it a try. 
Thanks for the suggestion.  I also used Tech Tool Pro a few years ago when I 
was still running OS 9. Do you recommend Tech Tool Pro as well, or is 
Diskwarrior sufficient?
James Morgan

On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:04 AM, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:


On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

Thanks for the reply. I am wondering, should I wipe the hard drive 
and

reinstall OS 10.4?



FWIW I always run DiskWarrior after any system upgrades.

John Carmonne
Placentia CA 92870

From iMac Core Duo 2.0






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Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

Thanks for the reply. I am wondering, should I wipe the hard drive  
and

reinstall OS 10.4?



FWIW I always run DiskWarrior after any system upgrades.

John Carmonne
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From iMac Core Duo 2.0





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Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[Cameron Kaiser]

> Thanks for the reply. I am wondering, should I wipe the hard drive and
> reinstall OS 10.4?

You could try, but more likely as not the problem will manifest there too.
It would allow the computer to at least be useable until you find out
what the glitch is.

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Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[James Morgan]

Thanks for the reply. I am wondering, should I wipe the hard drive and 
reinstall OS 10.4?
James Morgan

On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:


I have a 4 X 2.5 GHz (quad) PowerPC G5 with 8 GB Ram. For a long time I ran
OS 10.4 but just recently completed upgrading to OS 10.5.8. Since completing
this upgrade I now get deadpan messages saying "you need to restart your
computer. hold down the power button."


This is a kernel panic. It indicates the operating system has encountered an
unrecoverable error. It can be caused by software or hardware, or both.

I have seen this exact issue when a G5 that previously ran 10.4 well was
upgraded to 10.5, became flaky, and eventually suffered a crippling hardware
fault. I would check your motherboard, RAM, and cooling system as soon as
possible.

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Re: OS 10.5 Problem

[Cameron Kaiser]

> I have a 4 X 2.5 GHz (quad) PowerPC G5 with 8 GB Ram. For a long time I ran
> OS 10.4 but just recently completed upgrading to OS 10.5.8. Since completing
> this upgrade I now get deadpan messages saying "you need to restart your
> computer. hold down the power button."

This is a kernel panic. It indicates the operating system has encountered an
unrecoverable error. It can be caused by software or hardware, or both.

I have seen this exact issue when a G5 that previously ran 10.4 well was
upgraded to 10.5, became flaky, and eventually suffered a crippling hardware
fault. I would check your motherboard, RAM, and cooling system as soon as
possible.

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Re: OS 10.5

[Joshua Juran]

On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Alexander Gomes wrote:


From my understanding an upgrade in OSX wasn't really an upgrade. It
would do a full install of the operating system and then copy the user
files/apps and preferences(making sure the compatible ones were kept
and the others tossed/converted.


That's why I call it 'switching' instead of 'upgrading'.

Josh


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Re: OS 10.5

[Alexander Gomes]

>From my understanding an upgrade in OSX wasn't really an upgrade. It
would do a full install of the operating system and then copy the user
files/apps and preferences(making sure the compatible ones were kept
and the others tossed/converted.

On Jul 27, 12:23 pm, imrazor  wrote:
> On Jul 27, 11:50 am, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
>
> > This is incorrect.
>
> > All $29 "retail" Snow Leopard disks are full versions, capable of being
> > installed on any machine, even one which has no OS of any kind at all.
>
> > THERE WERE NO "retail" UPGRADE DISKS!
>
> -snip-
>
> You are absolutely correct that there is no *technical* barrier to
> doing a full install of SL from an "upgrade" disc. However, to the
> best of my knowledge, the licensing on the $29 disc is for an upgrade,
> not a full install.
>
> I quote from this Apple press 
> releasehttp://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/08/24Apple-to-Ship-Mac-OS-X-Snow...
>
> Apple to Ship Mac OS X Snow Leopard on August 28
> CUPERTINO, California—August 24, 2009—Apple® today announced that Mac
> OS® X v10.6 Snow Leopard™ will go on sale Friday, August 28 at Apple’s
> retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, and that Apple’s online
> store is now accepting pre-orders. Snow Leopard builds on a decade of
> OS X innovation and success with hundreds of refinements, new core
> technologies and out of the box support for Microsoft Exchange. Snow
> Leopard will be available as an upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard® users
> for $29.
>
> Eric

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Re: OS 10.5

[imrazor]

On Jul 27, 11:50 am, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
> This is incorrect.
>
> All $29 "retail" Snow Leopard disks are full versions, capable of being
> installed on any machine, even one which has no OS of any kind at all.
>
> THERE WERE NO "retail" UPGRADE DISKS!
>

-snip-

You are absolutely correct that there is no *technical* barrier to
doing a full install of SL from an "upgrade" disc. However, to the
best of my knowledge, the licensing on the $29 disc is for an upgrade,
not a full install.

I quote from this Apple press release
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/08/24Apple-to-Ship-Mac-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-on-August-28.html

Apple to Ship Mac OS X Snow Leopard on August 28
CUPERTINO, California—August 24, 2009—Apple® today announced that Mac
OS® X v10.6 Snow Leopard™ will go on sale Friday, August 28 at Apple’s
retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, and that Apple’s online
store is now accepting pre-orders. Snow Leopard builds on a decade of
OS X innovation and success with hundreds of refinements, new core
technologies and out of the box support for Microsoft Exchange. Snow
Leopard will be available as an upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard® users
for $29.

Eric


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Re: OS 10.5

[peterhaas]

> IIRC, this is because the $29 Snow Leopard disc is an upgrade disc
> intended to be installed over Leopard.

This is incorrect.

All $29 "retail" Snow Leopard disks are full versions, capable of being
installed on any machine, even one which has no OS of any kind at all.

THERE WERE NO "retail" UPGRADE DISKS!

Snow Leopard was indeed retail priced as if it was an upgrade, but it was
a full version from the git go.

Not only is there no requirement for Leopard to be on the target machine,
you can even install Snow Leopard on a Hackintosh, using only the iBOOT CD
as a helper to launch the Snow Leopard Installer.

iBOOT is a Linux application which prepares the machine for a full
installation of Snow Leopard.

Lion is also priced as if it was an upgrade, but it is also a full version.

There are a number of ways of installing Lion on a Hckintosh, only one of
which requires Snow Leopard.

The Lion installation method which does not require Snow Leopard at all
resides on a USB flash drive and the Lion application is ripped apart
(saving just the Lion Installer) and moved onto the USB flash drive. This
is done using the "mkboot" script in TERMINAL.

You would boot the USB flash drive and the next thing you see is the Lion
Installer popping on the screen.

Once the Lion installation was complete, you would boot the USB flash
drive again and then use the "finalize" script in TERMINAL to write the
boot loader to the hard drive.

Thereafter, Lion boots directly from the hard drive without any other
assistance.

Now, Apple's Lion installation method does indeed require Snow Leopard to
be on the target machine, because Apple's Lion installation procedure was
written as an application, not as an installer.

However, the full installer is indeed contained within the application,
and those who are in the know will know how to use that installer.





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Re: OS 10.5

[imrazor]

On Jul 26, 8:14 pm, irrational John 
wrote:
>
> Yes, there's that. But it is also because Apple has always charged
> ~$30 for Snow Leopard. Why? Who knows? In any case, the asking price
> is not going to be (much) more than what Apple is selling it for.
>
> (I believe Apple is still selling SL. After all, how else can someone
> upgrade to Lion if they have Leopard? They have to first install SL
> and update it so they can then use the app store to then install Lion,
> no?)
>
> It seems to me that Apple was more concerned with promoting the
> adoption of Snow Leopard ... and now Lion ... then they were with
> generating revenue per se from the release. Why is Apple giving an
> extra monetary incentive to encourage people to adopt its latest
> versions of OS X? Beats me.
>
> -irrational john

IIRC, this is because the $29 Snow Leopard disc is an upgrade disc
intended to be installed over Leopard. For Intel Tiger users, the
official upgrade path was to use something the called the "Max Box
Set" which was considerably more expensive, but also included iLife.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard#License

Eric

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Re: OS 10.5

[irrational John]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Bruce Johnson
 wrote:
> SL is in greater supply...it's been almost two years since apple stopped
> selling 10.5 and about a week since they stopped selling 10.6.

Yes, there's that. But it is also because Apple has always charged
~$30 for Snow Leopard. Why? Who knows? In any case, the asking price
is not going to be (much) more than what Apple is selling it for.

(I believe Apple is still selling SL. After all, how else can someone
upgrade to Lion if they have Leopard? They have to first install SL
and update it so they can then use the app store to then install Lion,
no?)

It seems to me that Apple was more concerned with promoting the
adoption of Snow Leopard ... and now Lion ... then they were with
generating revenue per se from the release. Why is Apple giving an
extra monetary incentive to encourage people to adopt its latest
versions of OS X? Beats me.

-irrational john

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Re: OS 10.5

[peterhaas]

> Wow, that's quite the difference, why is SL so much cheaper than Leo?

Apple has revised its MacOS X marketing strategy several times.

10.5 cost way, way more than 10.6.

10.7 non-server cost the same as 10.6 non-server.

The 10.7 server option costs only $50, which is about one-fifth the cost
of 10.6 Server.

Given the realities of the marketplace, you always want to go with the
latest, because it is best, and it is also at the same or much lower cost.

I own a license to 10.3 server and 10.5 server (unlimited clients). I
avoided 10.6 server on account of cost (I only run the server version on a
PPC, anyway), but I intend to buy 10.7 server (and to run it on an Intel
Hackintosh).



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Re: OS 10.5

[Bruce Johnson]

SL is in greater supply...it's been almost two years since apple stopped 
selling 10.5 and about a week since they stopped selling 10.6.
 

On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:30 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:

> Wow, that's quite the difference, why is SL so much cheaper than Leo?
> 
> On Jul 26, 6:28 pm, John Martz  wrote:
> 
>> I believe Bruce failed to mention the price difference. Snow Leopard
>> (10.6) can still be purchased from online retailers for $30 (or less
>> in some cases). Leopard (10.5) will typically run you around $90 or
>> more on eBay. (At least that's the price range I'm used to seeing
>> Leopard auctions finish at).
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Re: OS 10.5

[JoeTaxpayer]

Wow, that's quite the difference, why is SL so much cheaper than Leo?

On Jul 26, 6:28 pm, John Martz  wrote:

> I believe Bruce failed to mention the price difference. Snow Leopard
> (10.6) can still be purchased from online retailers for $30 (or less
> in some cases). Leopard (10.5) will typically run you around $90 or
> more on eBay. (At least that's the price range I'm used to seeing
> Leopard auctions finish at).

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Re: OS 10.5

[John Martz]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Bruce Johnson
 wrote:
> Personally I'd go right on by 10.5 and look for 10.6, at least; if that's a 
> Core Duo system
> that's the top limit you can get to; and there's not much that wasn't 
> compatible with 10.5
> on those that doesn't run in 10.6, and 10.6 is a noticeable performance 
> upgrade over 10.5.

I believe Bruce failed to mention the price difference. Snow Leopard
(10.6) can still be purchased from online retailers for $30 (or less
in some cases). Leopard (10.5) will typically run you around $90 or
more on eBay. (At least that's the price range I'm used to seeing
Leopard auctions finish at).

There's also the fact that I believe Apple will still do (only)
security updates to Snow Leopard until they release whatever 10.8
turns out to be. This ain't much, but it's something.

Unless you have some special consideration such as PPC hardware which
limits you to using Leopard, I would also suggest moving up to Snow
Leopard.

www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/27/apples_snow_leopard_disc_will_install_on_tiger_macs.html

Just as a sanity check, you DID say you have an Intel version of the
iMac, correct? Out of curiosity, which one? (Snow Leopard runs ONLY on
Intel Macs).

-irrational john

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Re: OS 10.5

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:41 AM, John Callahan wrote:

> I would like to purchase Mac OS 10.5 for my iMac Intel Duo currently running 
> OS 10.4.11. Where can I purchase one and what would be a good price to pay? 
> What should I beware of in the way of copies and scams? I have two GB's of 
> memory and a one terra byte hard drive with a lot of free space (898.46 GB).
> Thank you

The usual suspects, fleabay and LEM swaplist; you want a real retail disk, 
which has the Aurora on it ; gray disks are system 
specific, so you need to make sure it's for a core duo iMac.

Personally I'd go right on by 10.5 and look for 10.6, at least; if that's a 
Core Duo system that's the top limit you can get to; and there's not much that 
wasn't compatible with 10.5 on those that doesn't run in 10.6, and 10.6 is a 
noticeable performance upgrade over 10.5.

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Re: OS 10.5

[Dan]

At 6:01 PM -0500 1/14/2010, John Callahan wrote:

Anyone know where I can buy OS 10.5 for my G4 Intel Mac?


No such things as a "G4 Intel" anything.

G4 is a PowerPC, made by IBM/Motorola/Freescale (depending on the 
exact processor model).


The Core x86 processors are made by Intel.

That twain don't meet.

IF you have a PowerPC based Mac, then look on LEM Swap for a retail 
OS X 10.5 kit.  That's about the best place pricewise.


IF you have an Intel based Mac, then skip Leopard - go directly to 
Snow Leopard.  The OS X 10.6 Update is only $29; available from most 
of your normal stores.


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Re: OS 10.5

[McGrude]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:01 PM, John Callahan  wrote:
> Anyone know where I can buy OS 10.5 for my G4 Intel Mac?

G4 Intel ???  Which is it?  A G4 or an Intel?

http://www.google.com/products?q=Mac+OS+X+leopard+-snow+-server+-family&hl=en&aq=f
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Re: OS 10.5

[Kris Tilford]

On May 23, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
> On May 23, 2009, at 3:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?
>>
>> Bailey
>
> Owning the same computer I would have to say stay with 10.4.  I  
> tried 10.5 on an upgraded DA (1.6 Ghz) and it seemed sluggish to  
> me.  So much so that I decided to not even try it on the MDD.

I downgraded my 1.58 GHz Mini from Leopard back to Tiger specifically  
because Leopard was sluggish. Benchmark archives for XBench and  
Geekbench show about a 20% across the board slowdown for PPC Macs from  
Tiger to Leopard, and about a 20% speedup for Intel Macs. I'm using my  
PPC Mini as a media center computer, and it can't play HD video  
smoothly in Leopard, and just barely in Tiger, but just barely is just  
barely good enough. Stick with Tiger.


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Re: OS 10.5

[Doug Burton]

On May 23, 2009, at 3:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:

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>
>
> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?
>
> Bailey

Owning the same computer I would have to say stay with 10.4.  I tried  
10.5 on an upgraded DA (1.6 Ghz) and it seemed sluggish to me.  So  
much so that I decided to not even try it on the MDD.  HTH

Just a message from Doug...

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Re: OS 10.5

[Amanda Ward]

On May 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:

> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?
>
> Bailey

I'm running 10.5.? (Can't remember which iteration) on a DA 733 and it  
is quite usable. It is not way fast, but usable. I would keep 10.4.x  
unless Leopard has features you can't live without! ;-)

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Re: OS 10.5

[John Hanson]

I think 10.4.11 would be advisable on a machine like that, from what I've
read, 10.5 works best on 1GHz and higher machines.

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Re: OS 10.5

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On May 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:

> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?

Probably best at 10.4.11, although 10.5 is also OK.

10.5 is best on dual processors which are significantly faster that  
1.0 GHz.

10.5.7 works great on a quad 3.2 Intel and a dual 3.6 Intel in my shop.



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Re: OS 10.5

[Baha Ata]

If you using that machine is your main computer... upgrade... If it is
secondary... Just stay on 10.4

2009/5/23 

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