Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread Dan

At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7 It has 
5 drives and I want to block access to three of them.

Can I do this?


Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?

Are you talking about blocking access from other non-admin users or ?

I put sensitive data in encrypted sparse disk images.  That way you 
have to have enough permission to get to the disk image file in the 
first place *plus* you have to have the password to mount the thing. 
(Helps to NOT stash the password in Keychain, of course).


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Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread John Carmonne

On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote:

> At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
>> I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7 It has 5 
>> drives and I want to block access to three of them.
>> Can I do this?
> 
> Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?
> 
If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have  access to all the 
HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it with an external, just turn 
if off but an internal is different.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread Clark Martin

On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> 
> On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote:
> 
>> At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
>>> I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7 It has 5 
>>> drives and I want to block access to three of them.
>>> Can I do this?
>> 
>> Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?
>> 
> If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have  access to all the 
> HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it with an external, just 
> turn if off but an internal is different.


Set up permissions as appropriate.
You'll need to do Get Info on each drive and ensure they are set to use 
permissions.


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Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread Yersinia

 On 12/13/10 4:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote:


At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:

I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7 It has 5 drives 
and I want to block access to three of them.
Can I do this?

Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?


If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have  access to all the 
HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it with an external, just turn 
if off but an internal is different.


Curiously, can't you do a Get Info on the HDDs you don't want others to 
use and set the permissions for "no access" (except for yourself, of 
course?) Or if there are particular people to whom you habitually grant 
access to your computer, make accounts for them and set it up so only 
YOUR account can access those HDDs you want to keep private for yourself 
only -- or set up a generic account for 'anyone who wants to use my G5' 
to which you give them the password, and from which those HDDs are not 
accessible?


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Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread Jonas Ulrich
You could place a pasword protected disk image that is the size of the
hard drive, on the hard drive and put everything in there. It's
essentially a pasword protected hard drive

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Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread John Carmonne

On Dec 13, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Yersinia wrote:

> On 12/13/10 4:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
>> On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote:
>> 
>>> At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
 I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7 It has 5 
 drives and I want to block access to three of them.
 Can I do this?
>>> Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?
>>> 
>> If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have  access to all the 
>> HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it with an external, just 
>> turn if off but an internal is different.
> 
> Curiously, can't you do a Get Info on the HDDs you don't want others to use 
> and set the permissions for "no access" (except for yourself, of course?) Or 
> if there are particular people to whom you habitually grant access to your 
> computer, make accounts for them and set it up so only YOUR account can 
> access those HDDs you want to keep private for yourself only -- or set up a 
> generic account for 'anyone who wants to use my G5' to which you give them 
> the password, and from which those HDDs are not accessible?
> 
Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted to certain 
drives, I need a solution similar to the password requirement to install 
software.
 
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP




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Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread Clark Martin

On Dec 13, 2010, at 2:39 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> 
> On Dec 13, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Yersinia wrote:
> 
>> On 12/13/10 4:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
>>> On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote:
>>> 
 At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
> I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7 It has 5 
> drives and I want to block access to three of them.
> Can I do this?
 Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?
 
>>> If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have  access to all 
>>> the HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it with an external, 
>>> just turn if off but an internal is different.
>> 
>> Curiously, can't you do a Get Info on the HDDs you don't want others to use 
>> and set the permissions for "no access" (except for yourself, of course?) Or 
>> if there are particular people to whom you habitually grant access to your 
>> computer, make accounts for them and set it up so only YOUR account can 
>> access those HDDs you want to keep private for yourself only -- or set up a 
>> generic account for 'anyone who wants to use my G5' to which you give them 
>> the password, and from which those HDDs are not accessible?
>> 
> Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted to certain 
> drives, I need a solution similar to the password requirement to install 
> software.


That's exactly what Yersinia and I have been talking about.  If you set the 
drive to use permissions then you can make your user account the owner and set 
the permissions as you'd like them, including restricting other users to have 
no access.

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Re: Password protect

2010-12-13 Thread Dan

At 2:39 PM -0800 12/13/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted to 
certain drives, I need a solution similar to the password 
requirement to install software.


Do a Get Info on your boot volume and examine the permissions. 
Notice that it's owned by system and that others have only read 
access.  Take away that read access, and you no gots access into the 
drive without authenticating...


Do the same to those drives you want to protect.

The key is to make sure YOU don't own the drive!  That way it takes 
authentication to change the permissions back...


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Re: Password protect

2010-12-14 Thread John Carmonne

On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Dan wrote:

> At 2:39 PM -0800 12/13/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
>> Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted to certain 
>> drives, I need a solution similar to the password requirement to install 
>> software.
> 
> Do a Get Info on your boot volume and examine the permissions. Notice that 
> it's owned by system and that others have only read access.  Take away that 
> read access, and you no gots access into the drive without authenticating...
> 
> Do the same to those drives you want to protect.
> 
> The key is to make sure YOU don't own the drive!  That way it takes 
> authentication to change the permissions back...
> 
> - Dan.

Thanks Dan.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Password protect

2010-12-14 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/12/13 14:51, Clark Martin so eloquently wrote:

Set up permissions as appropriate. You'll need to do Get Info on each
drive and ensure they are set to use permissions.


Just thought I'd mention this in case some list members are unaware. 
When you or an application create a new folder at the root level of your 
user folder (this is where your Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Library, 
Movies, Music, Pictures, Public, Sites folders reside) by default the 
new folder will be viewable to everyone. So for example if you are using 
Dropbox in it's default location the contents are visible to all users 
of that Mac unless you change it's permissions.


Newly created folders in your User folder will have these permissions:

yourusername (Me) Read & Write
staff Read only
everyone Read only

You want to change them to:

yourusername (Me) Read & Write
everyone No access

Tina

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Re: Password protect

2010-12-14 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 13, 2010, at 3:39 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

>> Curiously, can't you do a Get Info on the HDDs you don't want others to use 
>> and set the permissions for "no access" (except for yourself, of course?) Or 
>> if there are particular people to whom you habitually grant access to your 
>> computer, make accounts for them and set it up so only YOUR account can 
>> access those HDDs you want to keep private for yourself only -- or set up a 
>> generic account for 'anyone who wants to use my G5' to which you give them 
>> the password, and from which those HDDs are not accessible?
>> 
> Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted to certain 
> drives, I need a solution similar to the password requirement to install 
> software.

Absent encrypting the drives with another password, you cannot do this.

This defeats the entire purpose of having user accounts. 

The PROPER way to do this is to create an account for those folks and then 
share what you want shared, rather than try to restrict what they can see.

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Re: Password protect

2010-12-14 Thread John Carmonne


On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted  
to certain drives, I need a solution similar to the password  
requirement to install software.


Absent encrypting the drives with another password, you cannot do  
this.


This defeats the entire purpose of having user accounts.

The PROPER way to do this is to create an account for those folks  
and then share what you want shared, rather than try to restrict  
what they can see.


My main company accounts along with design drawings are on the office  
machines, I can keep pending product files on an external and just  
unplug them it's just I thought if I could password protect those  
internal drives instead of the constant bother of updating access on  
user accounts life would be simpler. Dan's fix did what I need it may  
be a little crude but effective and easy for me to use.


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Password protect

2010-12-15 Thread Jeff Bequette


On Dec 13, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



On Dec 13, 2010, at 2:39 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



On Dec 13, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Yersinia wrote:


On 12/13/10 4:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote:


At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7  
It has 5 drives and I want to block access to three of them.

Can I do this?

Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?

If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have  access  
to all the HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it  
with an external, just turn if off but an internal is different.


Curiously, can't you do a Get Info on the HDDs you don't want  
others to use and set the permissions for "no access" (except for  
yourself, of course?) Or if there are particular people to whom  
you habitually grant access to your computer, make accounts for  
them and set it up so only YOUR account can access those HDDs you  
want to keep private for yourself only -- or set up a generic  
account for 'anyone who wants to use my G5' to which you give them  
the password, and from which those HDDs are not accessible?


Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted  
to certain drives, I need a solution similar to the password  
requirement to install software.



That's exactly what Yersinia and I have been talking about.  If you  
set the drive to use permissions then you can make your user account  
the owner and set the permissions as you'd like them, including  
restricting other users to have no access.


Clark Martin


And it works.  My family use computer "fast switching"  has partitions  
for each user so that no one else can save stuff to 'their' drive  
without Admin level password.  Just looking, I believe I can set it to  
'no access'.  click on HD, get info.






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Re: Password protect

2010-12-15 Thread Jeff Bequette


On Dec 13, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



On Dec 13, 2010, at 2:39 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



On Dec 13, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Yersinia wrote:


On 12/13/10 4:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote:


At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7  
It has 5 drives and I want to block access to three of them.

Can I do this?

Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose?

If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have  access  
to all the HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it  
with an external, just turn if off but an internal is different.


Curiously, can't you do a Get Info on the HDDs you don't want  
others to use and set the permissions for "no access" (except for  
yourself, of course?) Or if there are particular people to whom  
you habitually grant access to your computer, make accounts for  
them and set it up so only YOUR account can access those HDDs you  
want to keep private for yourself only -- or set up a generic  
account for 'anyone who wants to use my G5' to which you give them  
the password, and from which those HDDs are not accessible?


Well I want others to be able to use my account but be restricted  
to certain drives, I need a solution similar to the password  
requirement to install software.



That's exactly what Yersinia and I have been talking about.  If you  
set the drive to use permissions then you can make your user account  
the owner and set the permissions as you'd like them, including  
restricting other users to have no access.


Clark Martin


And it works.  My family use computer "fast switching"  has partitions  
for each user so that no one else can save stuff to 'their' drive  
without Admin level password.  Just looking, I believe I can set it to  
'no access'.  click on HD, get info.






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Re: Password protect

2010-12-15 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:

> And it works.  My family use computer "fast switching"  has partitions for 
> each user so that no one else can save stuff to 'their' drive without Admin 
> level password.  Just looking, I believe I can set it to 'no access'.  click 
> on HD, get info.

This works by default with multiple accounts. Fast switching has nothing to do 
with it. You don't need to take any action to prevent user's home directories 
from access (even as an admin user). The only available directories to other 
users are Public (which is read-only, except for the drop box, which is 
write-only...you can put files in, but you cannot get in there to see what's 
there) and Sites (also read-only, which is where user-level websites are saved. 
Sites that are http://computer.domain.com/~user/ )

There's no need whatsoever for separate partitions.

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Re: Password protect

2010-12-15 Thread iJohn
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Bruce Johnson
 wrote:
>
> This works by default with multiple accounts. Fast switching has nothing to 
> do with it.
> You don't need to take any action to prevent user's home directories from 
> access
> (even as an admin user).
> 
> There's no need whatsoever for separate partitions.
>

With respect Bruce, I think you might be completely missing the point, .

Why use a mechanism designed to separate user data and other settings
when you come up with your own mildly convoluted ad-hoc exploit of the
file system permissions to probably achieve sorta the same purpose?
Where's the fun in that? ;-)

-irrational john

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Re: Password protect

2010-12-15 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Dec 15, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote:
> 
>> And it works.  My family use computer "fast switching"  has partitions for 
>> each user so that no one else can save stuff to 'their' drive without Admin 
>> level password.  Just looking, I believe I can set it to 'no access'.  click 
>> on HD, get info.
> 
> This works by default with multiple accounts. Fast switching has nothing to 
> do with it. You don't need to take any action to prevent user's home 
> directories from access (even as an admin user). The only available 
> directories to other users are Public (which is read-only, except for the 
> drop box, which is write-only...you can put files in, but you cannot get in 
> there to see what's there) and Sites (also read-only, which is where 
> user-level websites are saved. Sites that are 
> http://computer.domain.com/~user/ )
> 
> There's no need whatsoever for separate partitions.

Ack, except for files and folders created at the root of the user's folder by 
the user. Desktop and documents, etc are not readable. I take this back, 
partitions may be necessary.

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Re: Password protect?

2011-11-03 Thread gifutiger
Greetings Jeffery,

Jeffery after you have created (formatted) the disk and mounted it on
the desktop, highlight the disk and then do a get info.
When the disk info window appears click on the "Lock" and enter your
administrator name and password.
At the bottom of the info window you will see a pain that says
"Sharing & Permissions"
You will see the access that everyone has to that disk and you can
make the changes that you feel necessary.
Under the "everyone" name you will find a privilege of "Write Only
(Drop Box) and that is the setting you want.

Cheers

Harry
San Jose, Ca
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On Nov 2, 8:06 am, Jeffrey Engle  wrote:
> I need to make a dvd disk, with one file on it…. what I need to do, is make 
> the file readable by anyone, but nobody can "drag the file to the desktop" 
> without a password.. is this possible?
>
> Jeffrey Engle
> Kamiah, Idaho 83536
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Re: Password protect?

2011-11-03 Thread Jeffrey Engle

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:27 AM, gifutiger wrote:

> Greetings Jeffery,
> 
> Jeffery after you have created (formatted) the disk and mounted it on
> the desktop, highlight the disk and then do a get info.
> When the disk info window appears click on the "Lock" and enter your
> administrator name and password.
> At the bottom of the info window you will see a pain that says
> "Sharing & Permissions"
> You will see the access that everyone has to that disk and you can
> make the changes that you feel necessary.
> Under the "everyone" name you will find a privilege of "Write Only
> (Drop Box) and that is the setting you want.
> 

I'm thinking of making the file downloadable via dropbox… working on that right 
now. I'm trying to make a "download link" that I can give to anybody and it 
just starts the download to their computer… I think the copy protection is 
gonna get shelved for now.

Jeffrey Engle
Kamiah, Idaho 83536

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Re: Password protect?

2011-11-03 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 3-11-2011 18:33, Jeffrey Engle ha scritto:

> I'm trying to make a "download link" that I can give to anybody and
> it just starts the download to their computerŠ I think the copy protection is
> gonna get shelved for now.

I have been experiencing copy protection since the '80s.

My experience so far has been this:
- the copy protection is usually overcome by "unlawful" people (not allowed
users);
 - the copy protection gets in the way of legit (allowed) users, creates
troubles and piss them off. ;-)

Just my 2 (euro)cents. :-)

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Re: Password protect?

2011-11-05 Thread Dan

At 8:06 AM -0700 11/2/2011, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
I need to make a dvd disk, with one file on itŠ. 
what I need to do, is make the file readable by 
anyone, but nobody can "drag the file to the 
desktop" without a password.. is this possible?


No.  If you can read a thing, you can save a thing.

In the past, people have tried to limit access to 
data by various methods, such as invisibility, 
scrambling, or encryption; their theory being 
that the user will only be able to access the 
data using their special app - and if that app 
provides no method to save the data...  But 
that's a total fail!  People are *gasp* smart! 
They quickly realize that using a different app, 
or different access method, will work!  At that 
point, the "protection" simply makes the provider 
seem stupid.


At 10:33 AM -0700 11/3/2011, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
I'm thinking of making the file downloadable via 
dropboxŠ working on that right now. I'm trying 
to make a "download link" that I can give to 
anybody and it just starts the download to their 
computerŠ I think the copy protection is gonna 
get shelved for now.


Dropbox's public links work great for that.  The 
file is essentially only accessible to the person 
to whom you send the url.


eg:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/penguin-lust.gif

Dropbox also supports a "sharable link", but IMO 
it's a PITA.  It creates a silly multi-step 
process by providing a link to a web page that 
contains a link the file, that the user then has 
to download in some way.  The "public link" 
method is far superior, IMO.


HTH,
- Dan.
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