Re: Perian Update
On Dec 18, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Will S wrote: Quote VLC is a nice media player, for the specific small subset of codecs it handles, but it can also be VERY crashy and is often much more CPU intensive than QuickTime. As for not needing QuickTime... Um... So you're saying that you NEVER EVER view any graphics or video of any type in any application on your Mac, except within VLC. Hint: It's all QuickTime. ALL. On my Tiger 10.4.11 Yikes!, I recently lost Quicktime playback in Firefox looking at myspace. Tried turning it off and back on in Prefs. QT Requests shows up ok in Safari, so its not myspace ... Relative to this thread, I recently did several updates / changes: Security Update, Perian, Tried VLC, Removed VLC, Firefox update. Hints on where to look to repair the situation? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
On Dec 22, 2008, at 3:22 PM, insightinmind wrote: On my Tiger 10.4.11 Yikes!, I recently lost Quicktime playback in Firefox looking at myspace. Tried turning it off and back on in Prefs. Clarification: They're actually links to youtube, which happen to be Quicktime clips. QT is showing up ready to run other things like movie trailers (barf) and such. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
At 3:22 PM -0500 12/22/2008, insightinmind wrote: On my Tiger 10.4.11 Yikes!, I recently lost Quicktime playback in Firefox looking at myspace. Tried turning it off and back on in Prefs. QT Requests shows up ok in Safari, so its not myspace ... Relative to this thread, I recently did several updates / changes: Security Update, Perian, Tried VLC, Removed VLC, Firefox update. Hints on where to look to repair the situation? Um... Maybe each thing you installed tried to take over the MIME settings (which tell the browser what helper to use for what type of content) then never reset them. Try resetting your MIME types... System Preferences QuickTime Advanced. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
On Dec 22, 2008, at 6:34 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Dec 22, 2008, at 4:23 PM, technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: On 12/22/08, insightinmind wrote: On my Tiger 10.4.11 Yikes!, I recently lost Quicktime playback in Firefox looking at myspace. Tried turning it off and back on in Prefs. They're actually links to youtube, which happen to be Quicktime clips. I thought those videos were Flashextensions are vfl, which would explain the recent need to update Perian. Is vfl Flash? You're right ... shockwave flash. I will try re-installing the flash component for Firefox, and see if that fixes things. Firefox is my Default Browser ... perhaps that's why Safari is still working with my myspace page? I tried reInstalling Flash 10 to no avail. (Uninstalling Flash, Restart, Install Flash). Seems like this really doesn't fall under this thread, so I'll search elsewhere, like Mozilla, for an answer. I think my Firefox is broken. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
On my Tiger 10.4.11 Yikes!, I recently lost Quicktime playback in Firefox looking at MySpace. This isn't a QuickTime issue, or a Perian issue. MySpace uses a different player called FIM Media Player (FIM=FOX Interactive Media) which is related to the player that FOX Network uses on the Fox website (FOX owns MySpace). On the FOX website there is link to download some software for Mac OS X (if you need the plugin to view FOX media), but it only enables the FOX website player, but not the MySpace player. This is a known incompatibility with Macs, and likely doesn't have an easy fix. You may be able to downgrade your version of Flash Player to help, but this didn't help me in 10.5.6. The FIM Player appears to be a Flash Player add-on, and FOX network installs a plugin called MoveNetworks Quantum Media Player which definitely is a Flash Player plugin of some sort. If you Ctl-click on the MySpace video window that won't play it should gave you a version of the FIM Player that's not working. MySpace has been upgrading these players regularly - I've seen FIM version #'s increasing from 1.0.0.99 to 1.0.1.119. I think they quit working with Macs last summer sometime? I know of no solution other than using a Windows PC or running Windows on your Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On my Tiger 10.4.11 Yikes!, I recently lost Quicktime playback in Firefox looking at MySpace. This isn't a QuickTime issue, or a Perian issue. Apologies for hijacking this thread. I solved the problem. I had placed some Adblocks on a variety of smut-like ads, and somehow it got transferred over to also blocking shockwave flash files being downloaded from youtube, possibly after an update of Firefox (and not from adding perian, or doing other Quicktime updates). Once I turned off the Adblock addon, everything came back ... youtube videos and the married bad girls looking for married daddies wanting a good time and / or needing a spanking ads, etc. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 2008/12/18 Dan : -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: http://getfiregpg.org iEUEARECAAYFAklKXkUACgkQZGCrekxoMEWu9ACYpmsl9QYyhz+NPc/WwvA4hdzJ PwCfb9TfqI/GyoN6FszIZsH09BkRDE4= =enVw -END PGP SIGNATURE- At 4:39 PM -0800 12/17/2008, Will S wrote: You could also just skip Perian and Quicktime all together. VLC easy to find with a Google search works great much better then Quicktime even with the Persian update. I've decided to do just that for my new 10.5.5 OS on a new partition. I've not needed Quicktime with or without add ons for several years. So why not go with the best available software. VLC is a nice media player, for the specific small subset of codecs it handles, but it can also be VERY crashy and is often much more CPU intensive than QuickTime. I see none of these issues on my MacBook Core Duo 1.83GHz. VLC actually launches in 2 seconds or so, while QuickTime takes 10-15. As for not needing QuickTime... Um... So you're saying that you NEVER EVER view any graphics or video of any type in any application on your Mac, except within VLC. Hint: It's all QuickTime. ALL. Well, then I suppose I can say that I never use QuickTime, considering my browsers all use VLC. I guess the only time I do is when I start iMovie. I think you're saying you just prefer VLC over QuickTIme Player? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth -- -hackmiester --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
At 8:29 AM -0600 12/18/2008, Hunter Fuller wrote: As for not needing QuickTime... Um... So you're saying that you NEVER EVER view any graphics or video of any type in any application on your Mac, except within VLC. Hint: It's all QuickTime. ALL. Well, then I suppose I can say that I never use QuickTime, considering my browsers all use VLC. I guess the only time I do is when I start iMovie. I see where you can configure your browsers to throw videos to VLC. But the graphics and animations displayed inline within web pages - how do you throw those? They're all QuickTime. Then there's Finder. How do you think it displays things? Likewise iTunes, Mail, etc. QuickTime is a lot more than just QuickTime Player. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
Quote VLC is a nice media player, for the specific small subset of codecs it handles, but it can also be VERY crashy and is often much more CPU intensive than QuickTime. As for not needing QuickTime... Um... So you're saying that you NEVER EVER view any graphics or video of any type in any application on your Mac, except within VLC. Hint: It's all QuickTime. ALL. I think you're saying you just prefer VLC over QuickTIme Player? Dan end Quote I'm not going to argue the fine points of me never using Quicktime. I've not set my web browsers to use VLC etc. I do have to take issue with VLC...specific small subset of codecs it handles,but it can be Very crashy... I haven' t found a single Video file codecs type that VLC doesn't handle and play better then Quicktime even with Perian added. While VLC may have crashed from time to time a couple of years that was a long time ago. Try a version from the last year or two. I can't say it's better on all machines but I can say try it and see what you think. After all Vinyl often sounds better on a modern quality machine then an original record player ;-) . Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
2008/12/18 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: At 8:29 AM -0600 12/18/2008, Hunter Fuller wrote: As for not needing QuickTime... Um... So you're saying that you NEVER EVER view any graphics or video of any type in any application on your Mac, except within VLC. Hint: It's all QuickTime. ALL. Well, then I suppose I can say that I never use QuickTime, considering my browsers all use VLC. I guess the only time I do is when I start iMovie. I see where you can configure your browsers to throw videos to VLC. But the graphics and animations displayed inline within web pages - how do you throw those? They're all QuickTime. Then there's Finder. How do you think it displays things? Likewise iTunes, Mail, etc. I don't use Safari, and I know Firefox doesn't use QuickTime to render anything. I don't see how the Finder uses it, and I am pretty sure the Finder doesn't use it, because when I open Quick Look (which I never use) it takes a few seconds the first time, as if it's... loading QuickTime! Also, I don't use iTunes or Mail, but I'm pretty sure Mail wouldn't use QuickTime either. QuickTime is a lot more than just QuickTime Player. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth -- -hackmiester --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
At 2:23 PM -0600 12/18/2008, Hunter Fuller wrote: and I know Firefox doesn't use QuickTime to render anything. Sorry. That is incorrect. The graphics libraries in OS X all use primatives from QuickTime. That would be why Firefox has the QuickTime framework, and all its sub pieces, mapped and open. LIkewise Finder etc. If you're seeing a lag with some of Finder's more graphical displays... that's because something has to go fetch those previews (or big icons) from the files. That's a lot of file i/o and cacheing and rendering and all done by QuickTime. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
2008/12/18 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: At 2:23 PM -0600 12/18/2008, Hunter Fuller wrote: and I know Firefox doesn't use QuickTime to render anything. Sorry. That is incorrect. The graphics libraries in OS X all use primatives from QuickTime. That would be why Firefox has the QuickTime framework, and all its sub pieces, mapped and open. I think these primitives are simply OS X primitives that Apple likes to call QuickTime for marketing reasons. I am thinking of QuickTime in the sense of playing audio and video using the QuickTime rendering engine. LIkewise Finder etc. If you're seeing a lag with some of Finder's more graphical displays... that's because something has to go fetch those previews (or big icons) from the files. That's a lot of file i/o and cacheing and rendering and all done by QuickTime. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth -- -hackmiester --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
On Dec 17, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: For anyone using Perian (and that should be everyone using Quicktime and running 10.4.7 and higher), they just updated it to 1.1.3. You can update from your Preference Pane or http://perian.org/. And, yes, this is an open source project with a 1.x release, believe it or not. Len Thanks, Len. Simple installation ... now I can view those flv files without the other thing ... FLV Viewer of something, I have on my QS. My G4/450 OC'dYikes! takes to the Quicktime with Perian well. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
You could also just skip Perian and Quicktime all together. VLC easy to find with a Google search works great much better then Quicktime even with the Persian update. I've decided to do just that for my new 10.5.5 OS on a new partition. I've not needed Quicktime with or without add ons for several years. So why not go with the best available software. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Will S wrote: You could also just skip Perian and Quicktime all together. VLC easy to find with a Google search works great much better then Quicktime even with the Persian update. I've decided to do just that for my new 10.5.5 OS on a new partition. I've not needed Quicktime with or without add ons for several years. So why not go with the best available software. Thanks, That's nice, too. Just downloaded and installed. Played. I seemed to remember an earlier version being choppy (Panther version?) ... even on my QS? This version's working on my O'cdYikes! G4/450 under 10.4.11. Maybe the choppy VLC was on my PowerPC 8500-G4/450 ... Does vlc use Perian? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Perian Update
At 4:39 PM -0800 12/17/2008, Will S wrote: You could also just skip Perian and Quicktime all together. VLC easy to find with a Google search works great much better then Quicktime even with the Persian update. I've decided to do just that for my new 10.5.5 OS on a new partition. I've not needed Quicktime with or without add ons for several years. So why not go with the best available software. VLC is a nice media player, for the specific small subset of codecs it handles, but it can also be VERY crashy and is often much more CPU intensive than QuickTime. As for not needing QuickTime... Um... So you're saying that you NEVER EVER view any graphics or video of any type in any application on your Mac, except within VLC. Hint: It's all QuickTime. ALL. I think you're saying you just prefer VLC over QuickTIme Player? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
