Re: RAM prices going up??

[Kyle Parish]

Prices on Ram are volitle.  Check in a couple of weeks.  Try
www.tigerdirect.com  They have mostly PC parts but they have RAM and
some other Mac parts for a good price.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Steve R  wrote:
>
> I was on some sites searching out RAM for my neighbour's iMac less
> than two weeks ago and we were both pleased with the Canadian prices
> we were able to find. Tonight I went looking for RAM for my iMac
> (different specs from his) and the prices have gone through the roof
> -- well over $300 for the same 4GB of RAM that was less than $60. I
> hit several more sites, including US sites, and everyone's RAM prices
> are totally out of line with the prices being quoted on OWC. ($44 for
> 4GB vs that high $300)
>
> So what gives? Is there an embargo somewhere? A fire at a
> manufacturing plant? Or is it simple price gouging with seasonal gift
> recipients upgrading new computers?
>
> Steve R
>
> >
>

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/11/09 9:20 PM, "Steve R"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> 
> I was on some sites searching out RAM for my neighbour's iMac less
> than two weeks ago and we were both pleased with the Canadian prices
> we were able to find. Tonight I went looking for RAM for my iMac
> (different specs from his) and the prices have gone through the roof
> -- well over $300 for the same 4GB of RAM that was less than $60. I
> hit several more sites, including US sites, and everyone's RAM prices
> are totally out of line with the prices being quoted on OWC. ($44 for
> 4GB vs that high $300)
> 
> So what gives? Is there an embargo somewhere? A fire at a
> manufacturing plant? Or is it simple price gouging with seasonal gift
> recipients upgrading new computers?

RAM manufacturers frequently move forward.  By that I mean that if you order
DDR2-3 it will be less expensive then PC-133 in most cases.  There is like a
RAM curve.  Where cutting edge machines RAM cost a little bit more then
machines out 3 months ago...machines a year old cost a little more than
machines from 3 months ago and RAM from machines 2 years back costs a
fortune because it isn't being made anymore.  It's a common thing, where
people think that RAM for a machine 4 years old should be really cheap, but
they fail to realize that the industry has moved ahead and the supply is
low. 

My question would be, is your machine a generation older or newer than your
buddies?

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Clark Martin]

Steve R wrote:
> I was on some sites searching out RAM for my neighbour's iMac less 
> than two weeks ago and we were both pleased with the Canadian prices 
> we were able to find. Tonight I went looking for RAM for my iMac 
> (different specs from his) and the prices have gone through the roof 
> -- well over $300 for the same 4GB of RAM that was less than $60. I 
> hit several more sites, including US sites, and everyone's RAM prices 
> are totally out of line with the prices being quoted on OWC. ($44 for 
> 4GB vs that high $300)
> 
> So what gives? Is there an embargo somewhere? A fire at a 
> manufacturing plant? Or is it simple price gouging with seasonal gift 
> recipients upgrading new computers?

RAMSeeker shows prices more or less comparable to OWC.



These are for TWO 2Gb sticks.  Is it possible you were looking at the 
price for a 4Gb stick?  I know OWC offers a 6Gb kit for laptops which is 
$400+ because it consists of a 2Gb and a 4Gb stick and the 4Gb are 
obscenely expensive because they are new/rare/really hard to produce.

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Kyle Parish]

The one I am on is a PC but my Mac is a G3.  Possibly what has
happened is that DDR3 came out and the prices have gone up for DDR2
since like you say, people are changing and upgrading, but it does
fluctuate.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Kyle Hansen  wrote:
>
> On 1/11/09 9:20 PM, "Steve R"  Broadcast into
> the ether:
>
>>
>> I was on some sites searching out RAM for my neighbour's iMac less
>> than two weeks ago and we were both pleased with the Canadian prices
>> we were able to find. Tonight I went looking for RAM for my iMac
>> (different specs from his) and the prices have gone through the roof
>> -- well over $300 for the same 4GB of RAM that was less than $60. I
>> hit several more sites, including US sites, and everyone's RAM prices
>> are totally out of line with the prices being quoted on OWC. ($44 for
>> 4GB vs that high $300)
>>
>> So what gives? Is there an embargo somewhere? A fire at a
>> manufacturing plant? Or is it simple price gouging with seasonal gift
>> recipients upgrading new computers?
>
> RAM manufacturers frequently move forward.  By that I mean that if you order
> DDR2-3 it will be less expensive then PC-133 in most cases.  There is like a
> RAM curve.  Where cutting edge machines RAM cost a little bit more then
> machines out 3 months ago...machines a year old cost a little more than
> machines from 3 months ago and RAM from machines 2 years back costs a
> fortune because it isn't being made anymore.  It's a common thing, where
> people think that RAM for a machine 4 years old should be really cheap, but
> they fail to realize that the industry has moved ahead and the supply is
> low.
>
> My question would be, is your machine a generation older or newer than your
> buddies?
>
> Kyle Hansen
> --
> This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter.
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Amanda Ward]

On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:

> RAM manufacturers frequently move forward.  By that I mean that if  
> you order
> DDR2-3 it will be less expensive then PC-133 in most cases.  There  
> is like a
> RAM curve.  Where cutting edge machines RAM cost a little bit more  
> then
> machines out 3 months ago...machines a year old cost a little more  
> than
> machines from 3 months ago and RAM from machines 2 years back costs a
> fortune because it isn't being made anymore.  It's a common thing,  
> where
> people think that RAM for a machine 4 years old should be really  
> cheap, but
> they fail to realize that the industry has moved ahead and the  
> supply is
> low.
>
> My question would be, is your machine a generation older or newer  
> than your
> buddies?
>
> Kyle Hansen

I just picked up a 4GB kit for my iMac today at Fry's. It was Crucial  
ram DDR2 667MHz 2X2GB modules for $44.95. Saw the same thing on the  
NewEgg web site for $39.95.

Amanda

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[insightinmind]

I would like 1GB (2 512s) for my QS ... but OWC says 32-36 per  
512 ... which is the same price as last month.

Total for 2 is around $64-72 plus shipping.

A few years ago, I paid $69 (included shipping) for 1 512 stick at DMS.

Maybe I shouldn't wait too long?

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Dan]

At 12:20 AM -0500 1/12/2009, Steve R wrote:
>Tonight I went looking for RAM for my iMac (different specs from 
>his) and the prices have gone through the roof
>
>So what gives?

World-wide recession.

The spot price (commodities auction) for memory chips fell BELOW 
their actual manufacturing cost.  Some of the companies are now on 
the rocks, near filing for bankruptcy.  They're asking their 
governments for multi-billion-dollar bailouts.

I think you're going to see much much higher prices shortly.

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:00 PM, dorayme wrote:

>>
>> Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:13 am
>> From: insightinmind
>>
>>
>> I would like 1GB (2 512s) for my QS ... but OWC says 32-36 per
>> 512 ... which is the same price as last month.
>>
>> Total for 2 is around $64-72 plus shipping.
>>
>> A few years ago, I paid $69 (included shipping) for 1 512 stick at
>> DMS.
>
> Sounds cheap cf, to what can be had around these parts. A couple of
> 500s for my QS 933 that was guaranteed and new is over $Aust200. Has
> paused me from upgrading to 1.5 on mine. (I have a 500 and 2 x 250)

Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan* steal at  
the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4  
would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price of our  
house when we bought it.

Of course, populated with 128K sticks, it would also be the SIZE of  
our house

Get off my lawn you kids!!! 8-P

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Clark Martin]

Bruce Johnson wrote:

> Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan* steal at  
> the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4  
> would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price of our  
> house when we bought it.

How did you update a 1Mb computer to .5 Mb.

I know I was happy when 1Mb SIMMs came down to $60.  I even had a 
spreadsheet running plotting the price with an estimate of when it would 
hit a target price.


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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

>
> Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>> Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan* steal at
>> the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4
>> would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price of our
>> house when we bought it.
>
> How did you update a 1Mb computer to .5 Mb.

Durn CRS. You're right. I went from 1 mb (four 128LK sticks) to 2.5  
(two 128K, 2 1MB) not down to 512K...so the price is down to $69,,  
so it's LESS than my house...

This was the scary, scary "no turning back now" update that required  
you to snip a resistor on the MB


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Re: RAM prices going up??

[glen]

> >> Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan* steal at
> >> the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4
> >> would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price of our
> >> house when we bought it.

> 
> This was the scary, scary "no turning back now" update that required  
> you to snip a resistor on the MB
> 

Scary indeed!  I had to do the same clipping on one side of a resistor on my 
SE's MB. Then even more scary I had to solder the resister back in place when I 
bought an accelerator card with more RAM slots. The worst part of soldering the 
resister back in place was my sweat dripping off my brow onto the MB and me 
trying to keep the MB dry. LOL.

BTW --  I still have the SE in storage now with a SE/30 MB in place of the 
original. Ahh, those were the days --glen



  

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[PeterH]

On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:25 PM, glen wrote:

>
 Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan*  
 steal at
 the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4
 would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price  
 of our
 house when we bought it.
>
>>
>> This was the scary, scary "no turning back now" update that required
>> you to snip a resistor on the MB
>>
>
> Scary indeed!

At the large mainframe computer manufacturer where I was employed in  
an earlier lifetime, main storage was priced at one million dollars  
per megabyte.

And, our 'puters had a maximum main storage capacity of eight megabytes.

Of course, that was 1976, and the memory was ECC and interleaved a  
gazillion ways.

A four megabyte machine burned about 70 kilavolt-amperes of power ...  
about the same as ten all-electric residences.

An eight megabyte machine burned about 140 kilavolt-amperes ... about  
the same as twenty all-electric residences.



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Re: RAM prices going up??

[James E. Therrault]

PeterH wrote:

> 
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:25 PM, glen wrote:
> 
> 
>Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan*  
>steal at
>the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4
>would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price  
>of our
>house when we bought it.
>>
>>>This was the scary, scary "no turning back now" update that required
>>>you to snip a resistor on the MB
>>>
>>
>>Scary indeed!
> 
> 
> At the large mainframe computer manufacturer where I was employed in  
> an earlier lifetime, main storage was priced at one million dollars  
> per megabyte.
> 
> And, our 'puters had a maximum main storage capacity of eight megabytes.
> 
> Of course, that was 1976, and the memory was ECC and interleaved a  
> gazillion ways.
> 
> A four megabyte machine burned about 70 kilavolt-amperes of power ...  
> about the same as ten all-electric residences.
> 
> An eight megabyte machine burned about 140 kilavolt-amperes ... about  
> the same as twenty all-electric residences.
> 


Ahhh  The good ol' days!

Back in the 1970's, I was employed as the senior cinematographer/film 
editor for the Safeguard anti missile R&D effort located within the 
Kwajalein atoll.  The missile site radar had banks of megnetic core, 
(hats off to Dr. Wang), memory multiple modules about four times the 
size of a traditional telephone booth.  Against the far wall (which was 
eight feet thick) were rows of tape drives that would literally shake 
the building just prior to the launch of intercptor missiles.

Sweet memories indeed!

JT


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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Clark Martin]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
> 
>> Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Ahem. I spent $138 ($69 per stick, which was a *gargantuan* steal at
>>> the time) to update my Mac Plus to 512 KB. At those prices, my G4
>>> would take $138,000 to fill up, or very nearly twice the price of our
>>> house when we bought it.
>> How did you update a 1Mb computer to .5 Mb.
> 
> Durn CRS. You're right. I went from 1 mb (four 128LK sticks) to 2.5  
> (two 128K, 2 1MB) not down to 512K...so the price is down to $69,,  
> so it's LESS than my house...

That would be 4x or 2x 256Kb sticks.

Recalculate

> 
> This was the scary, scary "no turning back now" update that required  
> you to snip a resistor on the MB

Did the plus have the snip the resistor?  I remember doing it on an SE 
but I can't recall doing it on any Pluses.  In any event it didn't worry 
me, I just cut the resistor in the middle of the lead and made a bit of 
a gap.  If I needed to undo it I would just dab a bit of solder on it.

I remember doing the upgrade on some friends SEs.  I also remember 
busting off the snap that held one of the SIMMs in place.  Fortunately I 
could wedge in a bit of wood to hold the SIMM in place.

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[hillhippy]

I was wondering if name brand RAM (crucial/micron)  Memory Size:
1024MB Memory Speed: 400MHz PC3200 Memory CAS Latency: 3 Memory Type:
DDR  Pins:  184, will work in PM G5 2.7ghz running OS 10.4.11 if it is
not specifically listed for Mac.  Price difference for 1gb sticks
seems to be about 2 X higher for Mac memory.  I remember my older Macs
rejecting Fry's no name RAM but this stuff is Crucial brand.

Thanks
Leo


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Re: RAM prices going up??

[Steve R]

At 8:43 AM -0800 1/14/09, hillhippy posted:
>  I was wondering if name brand RAM (crucial/micron)  Memory Size:
>  1024MB Memory Speed: 400MHz PC3200 Memory CAS Latency: 3 Memory Type:
>  DDR  Pins:  184, will work in PM G5 2.7ghz running OS 10.4.11 if it is
>  not specifically listed for Mac.  Price difference for 1gb sticks
>  seems to be about 2 X higher for Mac memory.  I remember my older Macs
>  rejecting Fry's no name RAM but this stuff is Crucial brand.

PPC G5's are supposed to be very picky about having matched/tested in 
pairs RAM. I cheaped out when I upgraded mine (Canadian exchange 
rates tripled the cost at the time) and went with name brand RAM 
(Samsung) that didn't specify matched or 'for Macintosh.'  I had no 
problems with 10.4.11.

HOWEVER after I upgraded to Leopard -- 10.5.4 by the time I decided 
to upgrade -- I started getting the occasional kernel panic and 
noticed the computer was running much hotter most of the time 
(Temperature Monitor) with the temperatures visibly climbing on 
multi-tasking. When I upgraded to 10.5.5, the kernel panics got 
ridiculous to the point of more than ten a day. I gave up, downgraded 
to 10.5.4 and lived with the one or two kernel panics the final month 
of using the G5, all the while lusting after the iMac I ended up 
buying this month.

The RAM "may" have been the problem OR upgrading to NetBarrier X5 
"may" have been the problem. I don't know, I don't care. I've listed 
the G5 on my local kijiji just to get rid of it. (And as an aside, 
I've also had to turn the heat on in the computer room for the first 
time this winter now that my blast furnace isn't keeping me warm.)

FWIW.

Steve R

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Re: RAM prices going up??

[hillhippy]

> (And as an aside,
> I've also had to turn the heat on in the computer room for the first
> time this winter now that my blast furnace isn't keeping me warm.)

Steve,

I upgraded to the G5 suddenly last year when my Quicksilver G4 had
some sort of board failure and roached the system drive.  The G5 has
been very fast and dependable since I got it.  It's great to be able
to run Aperture and CS3.  Someday, I expect to bit the bullet and
upgrade to 10.5, but I'm not there yet.

I know about the space heater feature.  We heat our house with a wood
stove and the computer is in a room on the cold side of the house
which seems much warmer since the G5 moved in.

I'll keep looking for a deal on matched sticks of RAM that are Mac
rated.  I just hate paying more for possibly the same thing.  Thanks
for the help.

Leo
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