Curiosity Sastisfied. So That's What a Smurf is.
That answers my question. Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Smurf startup issues
On Apr 5, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, My G3 B&W will not boot up.unless I use Safe Mode. When I try to boot normally, I see a rectangular black box in the center of my monitor. The "box" appears pretty early in the start-up sequence. I have nothing connected to the G3. No printer or CAT-5 for internet. The OS is 10.4.11 and the G3 has 1 GB of RAM. Look in the panic logs. It should give you a pointer to what's happening. Alternatively, start in verbose mode, and see what's on the screen when it panics. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Smurf startup issues
Listers, My G3 B&W will not boot up.unless I use Safe Mode. When I try to boot normally, I see a rectangular black box in the center of my monitor. The "box" appears pretty early in the start-up sequence. I have nothing connected to the G3. No printer or CAT-5 for internet. The OS is 10.4.11 and the G3 has 1 GB of RAM. I have done a complete re-format of the HD (20GB Maxtor). This hard drive will start my Sawtooth Mac, but not the Smurf. Any ideas what might be causing the problem with the Smurf? Thanks, Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Smurf
Smurfs didn't have that functionality as far as I recall. Alternative would be to use an ext enclosure kit to attach it VIA firewire to another newer Mac that supports TD mode Example enclsure: http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=434681&pid=_Froogle&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=808668 Make sure whatever enclosure you choose supports the older PATA (IDE) drives (that came in the smurfs) and says "COMBO" in the name of the model which usually indicates that both USB and Firewire ports and cables with the kit This is how we have done it --Cecile Santa Clara CA On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: > Greetings, > > Can a Smurf G3 be booted into Target Mode? > > I want to upgrade the OS to 10.4.11 but the Smurf does not have a DVD > drive. > > > Larry > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > -- They don't make 'em like they used to. It's why so many folks love old Macs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: Smurf
On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Can a Smurf G3 be booted into Target Mode? No. I want to upgrade the OS to 10.4.11 but the Smurf does not have a DVD drive. Options: 1) Tiger CD Installer 4 disc set 2) Use XPostFacto "helper disk" to boot from external Firewire DVD drive. 3) Boot from external USB DVD drive (very slow). 4) Clone the installer DVD to HD partition or USB Flash drive. 5) Remove HD, install Tiger elsewhere, replace HD. 6) Use NetBoot to install Tiger:<http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2005050214484646 > 7) Clone Tiger from previously installed external System -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
Smurf
Greetings, Can a Smurf G3 be booted into Target Mode? I want to upgrade the OS to 10.4.11 but the Smurf does not have a DVD drive. Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
Re: Best possible wireless for a Smurf (was: Wireless possible on a Smurf?
On Sep 20, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: > Sorry, badly phrased. Any recommendations? Best possible: Any Broadcom chipset 802.11n PCI card under OS X 10.4.11 with enabler script bcm43xx_enabler.sh available here: <http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=51725> This will be recognized as Apple "Airport", and will function identically to OEM Apple 802.11n wireless. You may also be able to use USB devices IF you have a USB 2.O PCI card in the Smurf. Don't use the built-in USB 1.1 for any wireless unless you have no alternative. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Best possible wireless for a Smurf (was: Wireless possible on a Smurf?
Sorry, badly phrased. Any recommendations? p -- Whoso would be a man must be a nonconformist. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Wireless possible on a Smurf?
As above. p -- If living conditions don't stop improving in this country, we're going to run out of humble beginnings for our great men. -- Russell P. Askue --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
enough already!! On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:03 PM, g...@gmx.net wrote: > smurf,chief of the group! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
>On one page that came up on a reasonable search request, there were some smurfs with red in them! I think red hats or boots, I forget!< That was an one off smurf,chief of the group! There were also black smurfs, born from standard stock smurfs. FWIW, Gorka Enviado desde mi BlackBerry® de Vodafone --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
> Date: Tues, Sep 8 2009 4:52 am > From: Len Gerstel > > ... > > Only one of those links even comes close to the explanation of Smurf, > and that is the lowendmac that includes a picture of smurfs with no > label saying that this is a smurf on the page. Others just say > something to the effect of Nickname: Smurf with no explanation if you > did not know what a smurf is. > > While smurfs were pretty ingrained in the US (and I believe European) > culture of the 1970's and 80's there are many cultures that have never > heard of them. It is hard to see why finding out something is hard if you already know it. On one page that came up on a reasonable search request, there were some smurfs with red in them! I think red hats or boots, I forget! Anyway, you can see in all of this, the importance, when making informative web pages, to have informative headings and text that can be picked up in grabs by search engines. You can be very informative in a long piece on something without it being search engine friendly. I guess that writing with search engines in mind is not exactly a skill easily learned and I am sure we can all imagine hilariously clumsy attempts to learn this skill! -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
The smurfs (pitufos in Spanish) were very popular in the early 1980s Spain. When the PowerMac G3 B&W appeared, it was quickly nicknamed "pitufo" as both were blue and white. The original iMac G3 was popularly known as "cabezon" (Big headed), while the fancy iMac G4 was known as "Lamparita" (desk lamp). Until the late 1990s Macs were a real rarity around here. The iMac G3 was the first popular model and raised brand awareness quite a bit. Gorka from Spain -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
>On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: > >>> >>>At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote: >>>>On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote: >>>> > How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge, >>> >> why some models were called "smurfs"? >>>> >>>>This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching >>> >the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what >>> >to look for. Snip: >>>- Dan. >>>-- >>>- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. >> >>A search with Clusty using "Mac model smurf" has the first three >>hits the Mac G3. >>Point the search to "Mac" first then "model" then "smurf". At least >>it seems to work this way. I would imagine the same results would >>be returned but farther down the return list with a different order >>of the search terms. Snip: >>ErnieG >> > >Only one of those links even comes close to the explanation of >Smurf, and that is the lowendmac that includes a picture of smurfs >with no label saying that this is a smurf on the page. Others just >say something to the effect of Nickname: Smurf with no explanation >if you did not know what a smurf is. > >While smurfs were pretty ingrained in the US (and I believe >European) culture of the 1970's and 80's there are many cultures >that have never heard of them. > >Len Sorry: I thought the questions were: >> why some models were called "smurfs"? and then: >how to search, combine ideas and whatto look for. All other reported searches seemed to say they only found the description of the little Blue and White figures with no connection to Macs. The example I gave answered two of the questions. That leaves: >combine ideas and whatto look for. Which are beyond my teaching skills. :-( As i said my assumptions are usually in error. :-[ ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: >> >> At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote: >> >On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote: >> > > How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside >> knowledge, >> >> why some models were called "smurfs"? >> > >> >This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching >> >the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and >> what >> >to look for. >> >> OTOH it's maybe it should be hard to find, and left as an exercise >> for the searcher. After all, a girl has to keep some mystery about >> her. >> >> - Dan. >> -- >> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > A search with Clusty using "Mac model smurf" has the first three > hits the Mac G3. > Point the search to "Mac" first then "model" then "smurf". At least > it seems to work this way. I would imagine the same results would be > returned but farther down the return list with a different order of > the search terms. > > I don't use Google anymore or I would check using it. > > Please correct me as my assumptions are usually in error. :-[ > > Enjoy, > > ErnieG Only one of those links even comes close to the explanation of Smurf, and that is the lowendmac that includes a picture of smurfs with no label saying that this is a smurf on the page. Others just say something to the effect of Nickname: Smurf with no explanation if you did not know what a smurf is. While smurfs were pretty ingrained in the US (and I believe European) culture of the 1970's and 80's there are many cultures that have never heard of them. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
> >At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote: >>On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote: >> > How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge, >>> why some models were called "smurfs"? >> >>This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching >>the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what >>to look for. > >OTOH it's maybe it should be hard to find, and left as an exercise >for the searcher. After all, a girl has to keep some mystery about >her. > >- Dan. >-- >- Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. A search with Clusty using "Mac model smurf" has the first three hits the Mac G3. Point the search to "Mac" first then "model" then "smurf". At least it seems to work this way. I would imagine the same results would be returned but farther down the return list with a different order of the search terms. I don't use Google anymore or I would check using it. Please correct me as my assumptions are usually in error. :-[ Enjoy, ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
At 7:43 PM -0400 9/7/2009, Len Gerstel wrote: >On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote: > > How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge, >> why some models were called "smurfs"? > >This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching >the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what >to look for. OTOH it's maybe it should be hard to find, and left as an exercise for the searcher. After all, a girl has to keep some mystery about her. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:09 PM, dorayme wrote: > > How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge, > why some models were called "smurfs"? This is a good example of what we need to make sure we are teaching the next generation of students, how to search, combine ideas and what to look for. Yes, I know the answer off the top of my head, but you may not know the cultural reference implied. The first search for: mac names smurf Came up blank on the first page. then Mac model names smurf got close, with a link to a Lowendmac.com page about the B & W with a nickname listed of Smurf. Then I realized that smurf is not an official, or even developmental name of the machine, but one given to it by users. So I then googled mac model nicknames smurf and got a little closer, but still no win. Now, however, if you do an image search for smurf, knowing the bare history of apple computers will hopefully help you put the two concepts together. That search for smurf images will show you that they are blue skinned and most are shown wearing white clothes. That is how the Blue and white G3s got the nickname. But it does take a bit of outside of the box thinking that is very valuable to learn when almost all the information known to humankind is available with just a few keystrokes. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: "Smurf"
On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:09 PM, dorayme wrote: > > How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge, > why some models were called "smurfs"? > > -- > dorayme > Well, let's see. Google "smurf" and the first hit you'll get says Smurfs were small blue people, and the images of them under the hit show them to be blue and white, with the blue very much the same shade as the first blue and white G3 towers. Hmmm. Is that why those G3 towers were called Smurfs? Good guess. HTH, :^) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
"Smurf"
How do you find out on Google, if you don't have inside knowledge, why some models were called "smurfs"? -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Troubles, continued... The Realtek client software was specifically for 10.3. I installed the 10.4 version in its place. The Realtek software can't see the Realtek PCI card, and immediately shuts down. The Preferences > Network pane displays the Realtek PCI wireless Ethernet card, but grays it out because it sees no drivers. The Realtek software includes an Uninstaller that works through Terminal, but when I click on it and get Terminal, Terminal won't accept the typing of my password. It's not an overall problem with the computer failing to recognize the keyboard, either, because I can type into TextEdit just fine. Nor can I install the 10.4.11 Combo Updater from CD. I ran Disk Utility, reinstalled 10.4 clean a second time, trashed and trash-emptied the previous 10.4 installation of earlier today as well as the original 10.3 installation, ran Disk Warrior and installed its replacement directory. Number of the above mentioned problems fixed by these steps: Zero. I'm stuck at 10.4.1 and have no Internet access. This is not good. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
tonycd wrote: > Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 > RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. > > The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 > Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X > appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install OS > X on this disk". Are you sure it's a PPC update? That's the only thing that comes to mind. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
I'll check the Network preference pane. Later today, when I get back there. I agree about re-installing the Realtek client software. Of course, if it doesn't run under Tiger, I guess I'm in deeper doo-doo than I figured...but let's cross that doo-doo bridge when we come to it. > > Did you open System Preference>Network to be sure the Realtek wireless > port has been detected? > > You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the > connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the > utility manually if it's not automatically launching. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
I'll check the Network preference pane. Later today, when I get back there. I agree about re-installing the Realtek client software. Of course, if it doesn't run under Tiger, I guess I'm in deeper doo-doo than I figured...but let's cross that doo-doo bridge when we come to it. > > Did you open System Preference>Network to be sure the Realtek wireless > port has been detected? > > You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the > connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the > utility manually if it's not automatically launching. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
I'll check the Network preference pane. Later today, when I get back there. I agree about re-installing the Realtek client software. Of course, if it doesn't run under Tiger, I guess I'm in deeper doo-doo than I figured...but let's cross that doo-doo bridge when we come to it. > > Did you open System Preference>Network to be sure the Realtek wireless > port has been detected? > > You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the > connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the > utility manually if it's not automatically launching. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson wrote: > On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: > > > > > Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 > > RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. > > > The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 > > Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X > > appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install OS > > X on this disk". > > Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel > and PPC versions. > > Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
>>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: >> >>> Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 >>> RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. >> >>> The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 >>> Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X >>> appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install >>> OS >>> X on this disk". >> Bruce Johnson replied: >> >> Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel >> and PPC versions. > tonycd replied: > Specifically chose the PPC version. >> Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? > Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a > wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's > AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- > I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek > Wireless LAN). Did you open System Preference>Network to be sure the Realtek wireless port has been detected? You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the utility manually if it's not automatically launching. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson wrote: > On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: > > > > > Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 > > RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. > > > The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 > > Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X > > appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install OS > > X on this disk". > > Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel > and PPC versions. > > Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson wrote: > On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: > > > > > Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 > > RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. > > > The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 > > Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X > > appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install OS > > X on this disk". > > Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel > and PPC versions. > > Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson wrote: > On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: > > > > > Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 > > RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. > > > The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 > > Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X > > appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install OS > > X on this disk". > > Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel > and PPC versions. > > Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: > > Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 > RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. > > The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 > Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X > appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install OS > X on this disk". > Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel and PPC versions. Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Hi. Just upgraded a Blue & White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X appeared over my hard drive with a message that "you can't install OS X on this disk". ?! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Smurf file server - advice required
On 26 Feb, 21:16, Doug Burton wrote: > On Feb 26, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Gukumatz wrote: > > > Hi guku, I did what you're planning to do, but mine was a 350 Mhz B&W > and I used an ATA controller card with 4 data drives and 1 boot HD. > It was a nightmare of cables, but it worked fine otherwise. I used > this setup for 6-8 months before I got a deal on 2 DA's (533 Mhz) and > decided to upgrade as the DA has a faster bus and gigabit ethernet > built in. At the same time I also upgraded to a 4 port SATA card > with 4-300 Gb SATA HD's. At first I ran it with all the drives > inside the case, but decided to go with long SATA cables and an > external case for the 4 data drives. The next planned upgrade will > be to 2-1 Tb drives, but I'm waiting for the price to drop a bit > more. BTW, I use ChronoSync 4 to keep the backup drives current HTH > . > 1st Hack: GA-945GCMX-S2 - E4500 CPU (2.2 Ghz) - 2 Gb RAM - 7200 GS > (256 Mb) > 2nd Hack: GA-P35-DS3L (V2) - E8400 CPU (3.0 Ghz -45nm) - 4 Gb RAM - > 7200 GS (256 Mb) > 3rd Hack: MSI Wind Desktop PC - 945GC - Intel Atom 1.6 Ghz CPU - 2 Gb > RAM > 4th Hack: GA-EP45-UD3P - Q9550 (2.83 Ghz C2 Quad) - 8 Gb RAM - 8400 > GS (256 Mb) Thanks for the reply Doug, I'm reassured that my plans should work as I hope and can now start assembling all the bits'n'bobs to build mine. :-D cheers guku --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Smurf file server - advice required
On Feb 26, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Gukumatz wrote: > > Hi listers, > > I've decided to (attempt to) convert my rarely used G3 400mhz into a > media file server (music and video) as I've not been at all impressed > with the NAS boxes I've tried/researched, but I could do with a little > help. > > The intention is to upgrade it to gigabit ethernet and also use a sata > card for controlling 4 hd's arranged as a Raid 1+0 array using 10.3 > server os. I intend using an existing IDE hd as the boot volume and > dedicate the sata drives to storage, bypassing the need to upgrade the > ATA controller with its drive size limits. I have 2 'U' brackets to > use so that I can fit the 4 sata hds required for the array. > I have 3 immediate issues I would like help with:- > > 1. Will 400mhz be enough for my intended purpose or do I need to > upgrade the cpu. > > 2. Could I make do with the original psu and use molex-sata power > adapters to power the sata hds or should I replace the psu with one > that has more grunt and sata power built in? > > 3. I'm having problems finding a decent SATA card with 4 connectors, > the only one I've found so far is this> > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SATA-Raid-PCI-Card-with-4x-Internal-Ports-for- > PowerMac_W0QQitemZ270344385311QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Apple_Ma > c_Accessories? > hash=item270344385311&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690|66% > 3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 > > Apologies for the long link, tinyurl won't provide a working shortened > version, the item no. on eBay UK is 270344385311. Does anyone have any > experience of these cards and are they any good? > > Many thanks > guku :-D Hi guku, I did what you're planning to do, but mine was a 350 Mhz B&W and I used an ATA controller card with 4 data drives and 1 boot HD. It was a nightmare of cables, but it worked fine otherwise. I used this setup for 6-8 months before I got a deal on 2 DA's (533 Mhz) and decided to upgrade as the DA has a faster bus and gigabit ethernet built in. At the same time I also upgraded to a 4 port SATA card with 4-300 Gb SATA HD's. At first I ran it with all the drives inside the case, but decided to go with long SATA cables and an external case for the 4 data drives. The next planned upgrade will be to 2-1 Tb drives, but I'm waiting for the price to drop a bit more. BTW, I use ChronoSync 4 to keep the backup drives current HTH . 1st Hack: GA-945GCMX-S2 - E4500 CPU (2.2 Ghz) - 2 Gb RAM - 7200 GS (256 Mb) 2nd Hack: GA-P35-DS3L (V2) - E8400 CPU (3.0 Ghz -45nm) - 4 Gb RAM - 7200 GS (256 Mb) 3rd Hack: MSI Wind Desktop PC - 945GC - Intel Atom 1.6 Ghz CPU - 2 Gb RAM 4th Hack: GA-EP45-UD3P - Q9550 (2.83 Ghz C2 Quad) - 8 Gb RAM - 8400 GS (256 Mb) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Smurf file server - advice required
On 26 Feb, 16:43, Mike Baker wrote: > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/SATA1V4/ > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Gukumatz wrote: > > From: Gukumatz > Subject: G3 Smurf file server - advice required > To: "G3-5 List" > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 11:32 AM > > Hi listers, > snip Thanks for the reply mike, that's exactly what I need but rather pricey for my present budget which was why I was hoping to find one on eBay. Do you by any chance know what chipset the FirmTek card uses? There doesn't seem to be any info on the website regarding this. I've discovered since my original post that the card on eBay is made by Syba and has a sil3124 chipset but I would still like to know if anyone has any experience of using one of these in a Mac? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 Smurf file server - advice required
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/SATA1V4/ --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Gukumatz wrote: From: Gukumatz Subject: G3 Smurf file server - advice required To: "G3-5 List" Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 11:32 AM Hi listers, I've decided to (attempt to) convert my rarely used G3 400mhz into a media file server (music and video) as I've not been at all impressed with the NAS boxes I've tried/researched, but I could do with a little help. The intention is to upgrade it to gigabit ethernet and also use a sata card for controlling 4 hd's arranged as a Raid 1+0 array using 10.3 server os. I intend using an existing IDE hd as the boot volume and dedicate the sata drives to storage, bypassing the need to upgrade the ATA controller with its drive size limits. I have 2 'U' brackets to use so that I can fit the 4 sata hds required for the array. I have 3 immediate issues I would like help with:- 1. Will 400mhz be enough for my intended purpose or do I need to upgrade the cpu. 2. Could I make do with the original psu and use molex-sata power adapters to power the sata hds or should I replace the psu with one that has more grunt and sata power built in? 3. I'm having problems finding a decent SATA card with 4 connectors, the only one I've found so far is this> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SATA-Raid-PCI-Card-with-4x-Internal-Ports-for-PowerMac_W0QQitemZ270344385311QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Apple_Mac_Accessories?hash=item270344385311&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 Apologies for the long link, tinyurl won't provide a working shortened version, the item no. on eBay UK is 270344385311. Does anyone have any experience of these cards and are they any good? Many thanks guku :-D --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G3 Smurf file server - advice required
Hi listers, I've decided to (attempt to) convert my rarely used G3 400mhz into a media file server (music and video) as I've not been at all impressed with the NAS boxes I've tried/researched, but I could do with a little help. The intention is to upgrade it to gigabit ethernet and also use a sata card for controlling 4 hd's arranged as a Raid 1+0 array using 10.3 server os. I intend using an existing IDE hd as the boot volume and dedicate the sata drives to storage, bypassing the need to upgrade the ATA controller with its drive size limits. I have 2 'U' brackets to use so that I can fit the 4 sata hds required for the array. I have 3 immediate issues I would like help with:- 1. Will 400mhz be enough for my intended purpose or do I need to upgrade the cpu. 2. Could I make do with the original psu and use molex-sata power adapters to power the sata hds or should I replace the psu with one that has more grunt and sata power built in? 3. I'm having problems finding a decent SATA card with 4 connectors, the only one I've found so far is this> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SATA-Raid-PCI-Card-with-4x-Internal-Ports-for-PowerMac_W0QQitemZ270344385311QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Apple_Mac_Accessories?hash=item270344385311&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 Apologies for the long link, tinyurl won't provide a working shortened version, the item no. on eBay UK is 270344385311. Does anyone have any experience of these cards and are they any good? Many thanks guku :-D --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which video card should I buy for my smurf G3 for screen rotation?
whalerboy wrote: > Well, after searching, and reading, and searching, and reading I felt > it was safe to ask this one as I have found no answer to my specific > question > > I picked up an old 350mhz B&W (running 10.4) to run out in my garage, > basically as a glorified MP3 player and web browser. I have it sitting > under my workbench with the monitor on top. I know on my mini, and my > G5 tower I can rotate my screen, which was an option I pretty much > found useless. If I could rotate the screen 180 degrees out on the G3 > I could free up some workbench space and mount the monitor upside down > under one of the cabinets. If this is an LCD monitor you could get a mounting bracket to attach it in the normal configuration off the bench. > >>From what I've seen and read, the lack of the option to rotate in the > System Preferences is due in part to my video card (currently the > stock ATI Rage 128 16mb). I know that the Radeons will work in the G3, > but will they allow me to rotate the screen? I just don't want to > shell out the $$ on an upgrade they wouldn't really give me what I am > looking for. (Let's face it, for what I'm doing with it, the old Rage > 128 is fine graphics wise. I just want to rotate the screen as cost > effectively as possible) > > So anybody out there get screen rotation working on any of these old > gals? If so I'd love to hear how you did it! My Radeon 9200 will rotate the screen. My Radeon 7000 won't. I'm pretty sure the Radeon 7500 will (it's not installed at the moment). In each case the board was installed in a G4 tower running OS 10.4.11 and has the ATI software installed. The Apple Display Preferences didn't support screen rotation but the ATI software has what they call VersaVision which does. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which video card should I buy for my smurf G3 for screen rotation?
On Jan 16, 2009, at 10:08 PM, whalerboy wrote: > So anybody out there get screen rotation working on any of these old > gals? Yes, most Radeon will allow rotation depending upon the OS. I don't think rotation was available in MacOS 9.x. On early OS X versions there was an ATI utility called "ATI Displays 4.5.7" that had the "rotate" option within. In later versions of OS X (Tiger for certain, perhaps Panther also?), the rotate function was available within the System Preferences>Displays preference pane if you had a Radeon card installed. I normally was using a little nicer Radeon card, a flashed PC Radeon 9100 that was the equivalent of a PCI Mac Radeon 8500. I believe the cheaper Radeon 7000 also had this rotation function, but I rarely used it. If you're using OS X and get a Radeon card, you can enable Quartz Extreme with PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Which video card should I buy for my smurf G3 for screen rotation?
Well, after searching, and reading, and searching, and reading I felt it was safe to ask this one as I have found no answer to my specific question I picked up an old 350mhz B&W (running 10.4) to run out in my garage, basically as a glorified MP3 player and web browser. I have it sitting under my workbench with the monitor on top. I know on my mini, and my G5 tower I can rotate my screen, which was an option I pretty much found useless. If I could rotate the screen 180 degrees out on the G3 I could free up some workbench space and mount the monitor upside down under one of the cabinets. >From what I've seen and read, the lack of the option to rotate in the System Preferences is due in part to my video card (currently the stock ATI Rage 128 16mb). I know that the Radeons will work in the G3, but will they allow me to rotate the screen? I just don't want to shell out the $$ on an upgrade they wouldn't really give me what I am looking for. (Let's face it, for what I'm doing with it, the old Rage 128 is fine graphics wise. I just want to rotate the screen as cost effectively as possible) So anybody out there get screen rotation working on any of these old gals? If so I'd love to hear how you did it! Thanks, Greg --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
