Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-27 Thread faithie999
in my experience with flashing PC cards in a PC, i use an old PCI video 
card so that i can see what is happening to the AGP card throughout the 
flashing process.

there is a command in the NVFlash.exe tool that will let you know what slot 
each card is in, so that when you issue the command to copy the new rom to 
the agp card, you select the right card.

the strangedogs forum is long gone, i believe.  themacelite forum is all 
that's left, but it is a good place to find instructions, links to the 
flashing tool, and a good database of rim's.



On Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:35:21 AM UTC-5, mhfadams wrote:



 On Jan 25, 2014, at 06:03 , Kris Tilford wrote:

 There’s a hack for adapting an standard PC ATX power supply into G4s, 
 might be cheaper and safer (no 28v line for ADC) if you’re going to try 
 your 9600XT again (assuming it’s not fried also?). Google “G4 ATX” and you 
 can find lots of info for either modding yourself, or buying something.


 Thanks for that note ... I'll be looking into that. ... I've acquired 
 several G4s with blown power supplies including  a MDD that I'd like to 
 start using, 
 (seems to me the P.S. is the most common failure on G4s - just like the 
 G5s always have coolant system troubles.)

 Back to original topic,
 I've tried all the *easy* possibilities, and am back to what you 
 suggested about the card firmware.
 I have downloaded the software and instructions, but unfortunately no os-x 
 version available so I'll have to wait until I can find a PC with an AGP 
 slot (I really never thought I'd need a PC again ! ).


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Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-26 Thread Manoah F. Adams




On Jan 25, 2014, at 06:03 , Kris Tilford wrote:

There’s a hack for adapting an standard PC ATX power supply into  
G4s, might be cheaper and safer (no 28v line for ADC) if you’re  
going to try your 9600XT again (assuming it’s not fried also?).  
Google “G4 ATX” and you can find lots of info for either modding  
yourself, or buying something.




Thanks for that note ... I'll be looking into that. ... I've acquired  
several G4s with blown power supplies including  a MDD that I'd like  
to start using,
(seems to me the P.S. is the most common failure on G4s - just like  
the G5s always have coolant system troubles.)


Back to original topic,
I've tried all the easy possibilities, and am back to what you  
suggested about the card firmware.
I have downloaded the software and instructions, but unfortunately no  
os-x version available so I'll have to wait until I can find a PC  
with an AGP slot (I really never thought I'd need a PC again ! ).



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Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-25 Thread Chris Nova
just a heads up to anyone whos trying to do this to a quicksilver 2001. 
***DONT DO IT*** 
i just fried my G4 867mhz quicksilver by trying this with a 9600XT graphics 
card (mac G5 OEM card)
the power supply is completely fried and will not power up.

its not worth it. just keep using the thing with a geforce2 or geforce 4 
card
bettr to have a working computer then a dead one.

i really wish i hadnt tried this -- thanks to all the morons who posted 
that this worked great because it
doesnt..dont try this u will fry your power supply AND/OR the logic board
nowhere else will u read that there is a risk of that. i would never have 
tried it if i knew there was even a remote possibility 
that i could fry the power supply.

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Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-25 Thread Kris Tilford
On Jan 25, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Chris Nova chrisnova...@gmail.com wrote:

 just a heads up to anyone whos trying to do this to a quicksilver 2001. 
 ***DONT DO IT*** 
 i just fried my G4 867mhz quicksilver by trying this with a 9600XT graphics 
 card (mac G5 OEM card)
 the power supply is completely fried and will not power up.
 
 its not worth it. just keep using the thing with a geforce2 or geforce 4 card
 bettr to have a working computer then a dead one.
 
 i really wish i hadnt tried this -- thanks to all the morons who posted that 
 this worked great because it
 doesnt..dont try this u will fry your power supply AND/OR the logic board
 nowhere else will u read that there is a risk of that. i would never have 
 tried it if i knew there was even a remote possibility 
 that i could fry the power supply.

There’s a hack for adapting an standard PC ATX power supply into G4s, might be 
cheaper and safer (no 28v line for ADC) if you’re going to try your 9600XT 
again (assuming it’s not fried also?). Google “G4 ATX” and you can find lots of 
info for either modding yourself, or buying something.

Many people that have posted success with the method of modifying pins 3  11 
for using AGPx8 cards in AGPx4 Macs. You’re the first person I’ve ever heard of 
that fried a power supply. I suspect your modification of pins 3  11 wasn’t 
quite correct. You need to pay very close attention to details when modding 
computers, any small mistake can be very costly, as you’ve learned. G4 values 
aren’t very much these days, so it’s not a great loss. I’d move on to something 
Intel that can run current Mac software. You can probably setup a Mavericks 
10.9 compatible hackintosh PC for $100 or $150 total if you buy used. I’d 
forget about the G4 as “lesson learned and upgrade to something Intel.

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Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-07 Thread Peter Devlin
On 06/01/2014 23:51, Manoah F. Adams mhfad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock
 nVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP).
 
 After finding that it wouldn't boot with the new card (that is not
 even into firmware stage), I found and followed the tutorial at  Mac
 Elite
 (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11) -- specifically, by
 taping pins 3 and 11.
 
 Now, it appears to boot, but without any video output (monitor
 doesn't receive any signals, stays/goes asleep).
 
 I don't have handy any alternative hardware to test the video card
 separately (to check for damage there to, though it's a new card) or
 to check for output from the DVI port, etc.
 
 I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the
 old video card).
 
 Has anyone else been down this path before?
 
 I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that
 article.
 

Hi,
The nVidia FX series are not the easiest to adapt for mac and usually
have no dvi when flashed unless they are very specific cards like the Ultra
FX 5200 128MB and even then may be subject to problems depending on the
manufacturer. The original Radeon 9800 pro series with bga ram is probably
the easiest to convert - but not the later cheap imports with slow tsop ram
and only half the memory width.
If the 5500 is not already flashed to mac by using a pc then you will
need to use a VNC client and another mac on the network to flash it -
Chicken of the VNC is a widely used client for macor use
Graphiccelerator in your startup items preloaded with a mac rom for the
5500. If the pins are unsuccessfully taped the mac will not boot at all - if
the pins are taped well and the mac boots but no video the rom is not
successfully read and loaded by the mac - zapping the pram/nvram may cure it
but if it doesn't it's back to the drawing board - and a different rom.
The best way is to flash it with dos in a pc before using it in a mac -
there used to be a forum named strangedogs which a had a large flashing
community though you will have to join to search it if they are still in
existence.

Pete


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Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-06 Thread Manoah F. Adams

Hi,

I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock  
nVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP).


After finding that it wouldn't boot with the new card (that is not  
even into firmware stage), I found and followed the tutorial at  Mac  
Elite
(http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11) -- specifically, by  
taping pins 3 and 11.


Now, it appears to boot, but without any video output (monitor  
doesn't receive any signals, stays/goes asleep).


I don't have handy any alternative hardware to test the video card  
separately (to check for damage there to, though it's a new card) or  
to check for output from the DVI port, etc.


I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the  
old video card).


Has anyone else been down this path before?

I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that  
article.






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Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-06 Thread Mac User #330250
Original message from Manoah F. Adams (Monday, January 6 2014):
 Hi,

Hello!

 I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock
 nVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP).

You forgot to mention if it is a flashed PC card or if it is a Mac variant. If 
it is a Mac graphics card you have better chances, but I suspect you should 
definitely try the DVI port too.

If you have a second Mac available you could try to use Apple Remote Desktop 
to see what you Mac, running the FX5500 then, shows in the System Profiler. 
Maybe the driver is missing. Maybe the VGA port isn’t detected (while the DVI 
port is). And you would see that it is running correctly apart from the 
graphics card output.

 I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the
 old video card).
 
 Has anyone else been down this path before?

You should definitely also zap the NVRAM to clear out graphics settings that 
have been left around for the former graphics card.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

That helped—and I hope I recall correctly—in one of my cases…

 I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that
 article.

Good luck!

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Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot

2014-01-06 Thread Kris Tilford
If this card is a PC card, you’ll need to flash the firmware to Mac firmware 
before it will work in a PPC Mac (should work as a PC card in an Intel Mac if 
you have the newer nVidia drivers). You can get the firmware ROM at 
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2. Flashing it may be a little 
complicated. It appears the flash tool used called nvflash is a PC DOS program, 
so you’d need a PC with an AGP slot to flash the card. Once flashed, the PC 
monitor will likely go black. If there’s a Mac nVidia flash program, you’d need 
a Mac PCI video card so you could see the monitor while flashing the AGP card. 
I’ve done this many times using a really old and cheap PC booted from a DOS 
floppy. Sometimes a ROM doesn’t work, but I’ve always been able to re-flash 
with a different ROM, and eventually get a fully functional card. It’s just a 
slight hassle.

On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Manoah F. Adams mhfad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock nVidia 
 GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP).
 
 After finding that it wouldn't boot with the new card (that is not even into 
 firmware stage), I found and followed the tutorial at  Mac Elite 
 (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11) -- specifically, by taping 
 pins 3 and 11.
 
 Now, it appears to boot, but without any video output (monitor doesn't 
 receive any signals, stays/goes asleep).
 
 I don't have handy any alternative hardware to test the video card separately 
 (to check for damage there to, though it's a new card) or to check for output 
 from the DVI port, etc.
 
 I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the old 
 video card).
 
 Has anyone else been down this path before?
 
 I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that article.
 

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