Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
in my experience with flashing PC cards in a PC, i use an old PCI video card so that i can see what is happening to the AGP card throughout the flashing process. there is a command in the NVFlash.exe tool that will let you know what slot each card is in, so that when you issue the command to copy the new rom to the agp card, you select the right card. the strangedogs forum is long gone, i believe. themacelite forum is all that's left, but it is a good place to find instructions, links to the flashing tool, and a good database of rim's. On Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:35:21 AM UTC-5, mhfadams wrote: On Jan 25, 2014, at 06:03 , Kris Tilford wrote: There’s a hack for adapting an standard PC ATX power supply into G4s, might be cheaper and safer (no 28v line for ADC) if you’re going to try your 9600XT again (assuming it’s not fried also?). Google “G4 ATX” and you can find lots of info for either modding yourself, or buying something. Thanks for that note ... I'll be looking into that. ... I've acquired several G4s with blown power supplies including a MDD that I'd like to start using, (seems to me the P.S. is the most common failure on G4s - just like the G5s always have coolant system troubles.) Back to original topic, I've tried all the *easy* possibilities, and am back to what you suggested about the card firmware. I have downloaded the software and instructions, but unfortunately no os-x version available so I'll have to wait until I can find a PC with an AGP slot (I really never thought I'd need a PC again ! ). Manoah F. Adams mhfa...@gmail.com javascript: info:https://federaladamsfamily.com/developer This message is signed with a certificate and-or PGP key. Disregard any unverified messages from this address. === -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
On Jan 25, 2014, at 06:03 , Kris Tilford wrote: There’s a hack for adapting an standard PC ATX power supply into G4s, might be cheaper and safer (no 28v line for ADC) if you’re going to try your 9600XT again (assuming it’s not fried also?). Google “G4 ATX” and you can find lots of info for either modding yourself, or buying something. Thanks for that note ... I'll be looking into that. ... I've acquired several G4s with blown power supplies including a MDD that I'd like to start using, (seems to me the P.S. is the most common failure on G4s - just like the G5s always have coolant system troubles.) Back to original topic, I've tried all the easy possibilities, and am back to what you suggested about the card firmware. I have downloaded the software and instructions, but unfortunately no os-x version available so I'll have to wait until I can find a PC with an AGP slot (I really never thought I'd need a PC again ! ). Manoah F. Adams mhfad...@gmail.com info:https://federaladamsfamily.com/developer This message is signed with a certificate and-or PGP key. Disregard any unverified messages from this address. === smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
just a heads up to anyone whos trying to do this to a quicksilver 2001. ***DONT DO IT*** i just fried my G4 867mhz quicksilver by trying this with a 9600XT graphics card (mac G5 OEM card) the power supply is completely fried and will not power up. its not worth it. just keep using the thing with a geforce2 or geforce 4 card bettr to have a working computer then a dead one. i really wish i hadnt tried this -- thanks to all the morons who posted that this worked great because it doesnt..dont try this u will fry your power supply AND/OR the logic board nowhere else will u read that there is a risk of that. i would never have tried it if i knew there was even a remote possibility that i could fry the power supply. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
On Jan 25, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Chris Nova chrisnova...@gmail.com wrote: just a heads up to anyone whos trying to do this to a quicksilver 2001. ***DONT DO IT*** i just fried my G4 867mhz quicksilver by trying this with a 9600XT graphics card (mac G5 OEM card) the power supply is completely fried and will not power up. its not worth it. just keep using the thing with a geforce2 or geforce 4 card bettr to have a working computer then a dead one. i really wish i hadnt tried this -- thanks to all the morons who posted that this worked great because it doesnt..dont try this u will fry your power supply AND/OR the logic board nowhere else will u read that there is a risk of that. i would never have tried it if i knew there was even a remote possibility that i could fry the power supply. There’s a hack for adapting an standard PC ATX power supply into G4s, might be cheaper and safer (no 28v line for ADC) if you’re going to try your 9600XT again (assuming it’s not fried also?). Google “G4 ATX” and you can find lots of info for either modding yourself, or buying something. Many people that have posted success with the method of modifying pins 3 11 for using AGPx8 cards in AGPx4 Macs. You’re the first person I’ve ever heard of that fried a power supply. I suspect your modification of pins 3 11 wasn’t quite correct. You need to pay very close attention to details when modding computers, any small mistake can be very costly, as you’ve learned. G4 values aren’t very much these days, so it’s not a great loss. I’d move on to something Intel that can run current Mac software. You can probably setup a Mavericks 10.9 compatible hackintosh PC for $100 or $150 total if you buy used. I’d forget about the G4 as “lesson learned and upgrade to something Intel. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
On 06/01/2014 23:51, Manoah F. Adams mhfad...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock nVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP). After finding that it wouldn't boot with the new card (that is not even into firmware stage), I found and followed the tutorial at Mac Elite (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11) -- specifically, by taping pins 3 and 11. Now, it appears to boot, but without any video output (monitor doesn't receive any signals, stays/goes asleep). I don't have handy any alternative hardware to test the video card separately (to check for damage there to, though it's a new card) or to check for output from the DVI port, etc. I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the old video card). Has anyone else been down this path before? I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that article. Hi, The nVidia FX series are not the easiest to adapt for mac and usually have no dvi when flashed unless they are very specific cards like the Ultra FX 5200 128MB and even then may be subject to problems depending on the manufacturer. The original Radeon 9800 pro series with bga ram is probably the easiest to convert - but not the later cheap imports with slow tsop ram and only half the memory width. If the 5500 is not already flashed to mac by using a pc then you will need to use a VNC client and another mac on the network to flash it - Chicken of the VNC is a widely used client for macor use Graphiccelerator in your startup items preloaded with a mac rom for the 5500. If the pins are unsuccessfully taped the mac will not boot at all - if the pins are taped well and the mac boots but no video the rom is not successfully read and loaded by the mac - zapping the pram/nvram may cure it but if it doesn't it's back to the drawing board - and a different rom. The best way is to flash it with dos in a pc before using it in a mac - there used to be a forum named strangedogs which a had a large flashing community though you will have to join to search it if they are still in existence. Pete -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock nVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP). After finding that it wouldn't boot with the new card (that is not even into firmware stage), I found and followed the tutorial at Mac Elite (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11) -- specifically, by taping pins 3 and 11. Now, it appears to boot, but without any video output (monitor doesn't receive any signals, stays/goes asleep). I don't have handy any alternative hardware to test the video card separately (to check for damage there to, though it's a new card) or to check for output from the DVI port, etc. I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the old video card). Has anyone else been down this path before? I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that article. Manoah F. Adams mhfad...@gmail.com info:https://federaladamsfamily.com/developer This message is signed with a certificate and-or PGP key. Disregard any unverified messages from this address. Email Certificates for personal use can be obtained from Comodo at https://secure.comodo.com/products/frontpage? area=SecureEmailCertificate For PGP/GPG key usage and tools, see www.gnupg.org === smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
Original message from Manoah F. Adams (Monday, January 6 2014): Hi, Hello! I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock nVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP). You forgot to mention if it is a flashed PC card or if it is a Mac variant. If it is a Mac graphics card you have better chances, but I suspect you should definitely try the DVI port too. If you have a second Mac available you could try to use Apple Remote Desktop to see what you Mac, running the FX5500 then, shows in the System Profiler. Maybe the driver is missing. Maybe the VGA port isn’t detected (while the DVI port is). And you would see that it is running correctly apart from the graphics card output. I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the old video card). Has anyone else been down this path before? You should definitely also zap the NVRAM to clear out graphics settings that have been left around for the former graphics card. http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379 That helped—and I hope I recall correctly—in one of my cases… I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that article. Good luck! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using AGP 8x card in AGP 4x ADC compatible slot
If this card is a PC card, you’ll need to flash the firmware to Mac firmware before it will work in a PPC Mac (should work as a PC card in an Intel Mac if you have the newer nVidia drivers). You can get the firmware ROM at http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2. Flashing it may be a little complicated. It appears the flash tool used called nvflash is a PC DOS program, so you’d need a PC with an AGP slot to flash the card. Once flashed, the PC monitor will likely go black. If there’s a Mac nVidia flash program, you’d need a Mac PCI video card so you could see the monitor while flashing the AGP card. I’ve done this many times using a really old and cheap PC booted from a DOS floppy. Sometimes a ROM doesn’t work, but I’ve always been able to re-flash with a different ROM, and eventually get a fully functional card. It’s just a slight hassle. On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Manoah F. Adams mhfad...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my Quicksilver 2001 800DP video from the stock nVidia GeForce2 MX 32MB card to an nVidia FX 5500 (8x AGP). After finding that it wouldn't boot with the new card (that is not even into firmware stage), I found and followed the tutorial at Mac Elite (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11) -- specifically, by taping pins 3 and 11. Now, it appears to boot, but without any video output (monitor doesn't receive any signals, stays/goes asleep). I don't have handy any alternative hardware to test the video card separately (to check for damage there to, though it's a new card) or to check for output from the DVI port, etc. I know my machine is still okay as I'm using it this moment (with the old video card). Has anyone else been down this path before? I've tried web searches, but always seem to wind up back at that article. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
