Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Your computer has an intenal clock (the same one that has it's display at 
the bottom of your desktop), and various programs can reference said clock 
to do things at certain times.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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Subject: [Audyssey] bowling


hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night.  how does 
the game know if it is night time?


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
I must confess, for all workings with hal I'm a big fan of Orphius' human 
voices. Fast response time pluss a convincing British English accent. For 
Sapi stuff I do like realspeak daniel, but it's response time is far too 
slow for me to use it with Hal.


This hasn't always been the case of course. Back in the earlier versions of 
orphius only the synthetic voices were available and hal sounded a lot like 
a dalek, which was one reason I tried out win vision and deck talk.


Then, Orphius shipped with the more human voices Alan and Carol and I got to 
be a fan.


The only slight irritation is that for some odd reason Dolphins' stopped 
shipping Hal with the more human orphius voices and now only ships it with 
the synthetic ones. When I asked they said most people used the synthetic 
ones,  which I found rather odd. Luckily orphius' more human voices are 
offered as free downloads by Dolphin anyway.


I have heard a rumour that the company who make orphius split from dolphin 
and are now bust,  in fact I've been trying to find the latest version 
of orphius online and not having any luck at all.


At least though Dolphin will continue to ship Hal with the currently latest 
version.


Beware the grue!

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Hi Hayden,
I guess it would largely depend on what you started with, and learned
to like first. I myself began using Dos screen readers in the early
90's and at the time the Dectalk PC and Dectalk Express hardware
synths were the best around. They were the most human sounding you
could get on the market, and I fell in love with the Dectalk line of
products at that point. When Jaws 3.2 or 3.3 began shipping with
Eloquence I totally dispised the synth from day one. Oh, I can use it,
but I hate the voice with a passion.
However, I've noticed those users who started with Jaws for Windows
and Eloquence from the start say Eloquence is great and hate Dectalk.
Their opinion is as much a mystery to me as I'm sure my opinion is to
them.  However, I think it boils down to the fact I started with
Dectalk and liked it, and Eloquence never lived upto my expectations.
Those who started with Eloquence have their own gripes and complaints
about Dectalk. All I can say is different strokes for different folks.




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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
Hey Phil.  try it again and if you can't send me the answers to my 
questions then send them to my other email which is.  cyc...@yahoo.com

thanks Phil.

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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Phil Vlasak

Hi Michael,
I sent answers to some of your questions directly to your email address and 
they all were bounced as undeliverable.
Although I did a bowling game for DOS, Draconis did the Ten Pin Alley game 
based on some of my ideas and sound effects.

They would be the one to make changes in it.
I wish there was on-line play for example.
We have a list of over a hundred first names in the registered version but 
the game allows you to add a recording of your own first name if it isn't in 
the list.
The instructions are a little bit technical as you need to change a text 
file, record your voice and save it as a specific number then fine your name 
at the end of the list.

I have the exact details somewhere if anyone wants to do this.
We made the game so it is very easy on the easiest level and very difficult 
on the hardest level, plus there is a handicapping between two unmatched 
players after you have both played at least three full games.
Draconis did a fine job recreating the sounds of a bowling alley and they 
also added humor to the game.

spoiler
space

Instead of bowling just sit back and listen to the announcer as he gets 
board and goes to the bathroom and eventually falls asleep.


Phil 



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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
Good point; I myself was one of those who started with eloquence, so yes, I
can definitely see your point.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Hi Hayden,
I guess it would largely depend on what you started with, and learned
to like first. I myself began using Dos screen readers in the early
90's and at the time the Dectalk PC and Dectalk Express hardware
synths were the best around. They were the most human sounding you
could get on the market, and I fell in love with the Dectalk line of
products at that point. When Jaws 3.2 or 3.3 began shipping with
Eloquence I totally dispised the synth from day one. Oh, I can use it,
but I hate the voice with a passion.
However, I've noticed those users who started with Jaws for Windows
and Eloquence from the start say Eloquence is great and hate Dectalk.
Their opinion is as much a mystery to me as I'm sure my opinion is to
them.  However, I think it boils down to the fact I started with
Dectalk and liked it, and Eloquence never lived upto my expectations.
Those who started with Eloquence have their own gripes and complaints
about Dectalk. All I can say is different strokes for different folks.

On 4/21/10, Hayden Presley  wrote:
> Hi,
> It's better than many I've tried, some of the intonations are similar to
> actual English speech; I've never figured out why people like Dektalk, I
> utterly loath it.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Michael,
There are more than one factor that determines a good synthesizer. Sure,
making them sound realiitic is important, but let's not forget intonation,
inflections, and speed; those are all very important factors to consider.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

with system access they give real voices out now.  like i have julie on 
my computer.  she sound like a real woman.  matter of fact you can't 
get naru julie from any other screen reader.  so try the trial and play 
with julie voice.  and you all will see a big different in the speech.

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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Not to seem fussy or anything Michale, but why do you keep misspelling Game. 
Sometimes you get it right GAME but other times you spell it G A E M.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
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what is the different between the full gaem and the demo?  and is phil 
ever going to com out with another update to the game?  it would be cool 
if he had the game let you type in what you want to be call.


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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson

Probably it's designed to sync with your system clock.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
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Subject: [Audyssey] bowling


hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night.  how does 
the game know if it is night time?


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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard
I think the demo lets you use the practice players for frames 9 and 10, 
while the full game lets you bowl the full game, and you choose from the 
list of first names followed by the first letter of your last name.  There 
is more, and it can be found in the user's guide.
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what is the different between the full gaem and the demo?  and is phil 
ever going to com out with another update to the game?  it would be cool 
if he had the game let you type in what you want to be call.


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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard

As shown earlier in the thread,

www.draconisentertainment.com

HTH.
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where do you get this game from?
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By the time shown on the clock located on, I think?, the task bar.
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hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night.  how does 
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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Keao Wright

where do you get this game from?
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By the time shown on the clock located on, I think?, the task bar.
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Subject: [Audyssey] bowling


hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night.  how does 
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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
what is the different between the full gaem and the demo?  and is phil 
ever going to com out with another update to the game?  it would be 
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Re: [Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard

By the time shown on the clock located on, I think?, the task bar.
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hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night.  how does 
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[Audyssey] bowling

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
hey i think it is pretty cool that ten pin know that is night.  how 
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
with system access they give real voices out now.  like i have julie on 
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Hayden,
I guess it would largely depend on what you started with, and learned
to like first. I myself began using Dos screen readers in the early
90's and at the time the Dectalk PC and Dectalk Express hardware
synths were the best around. They were the most human sounding you
could get on the market, and I fell in love with the Dectalk line of
products at that point. When Jaws 3.2 or 3.3 began shipping with
Eloquence I totally dispised the synth from day one. Oh, I can use it,
but I hate the voice with a passion.
However, I've noticed those users who started with Jaws for Windows
and Eloquence from the start say Eloquence is great and hate Dectalk.
Their opinion is as much a mystery to me as I'm sure my opinion is to
them.  However, I think it boils down to the fact I started with
Dectalk and liked it, and Eloquence never lived upto my expectations.
Those who started with Eloquence have their own gripes and complaints
about Dectalk. All I can say is different strokes for different folks.

On 4/21/10, Hayden Presley  wrote:
> Hi,
> It's better than many I've tried, some of the intonations are similar to
> actual English speech; I've never figured out why people like Dektalk, I
> utterly loath it.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Muhammed,
One advantage with HAL (and I can say this just based on what dark has said)
is that you can easily turn off most of it with control 8. I've always found
it a apin to have to go into configuration manager and put it to sleep; I
just unload it before launching the game.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:41 AM
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Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the comfigiration
manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by hitting ault s then
selecting that option. Then I could set it to go to sleep when I want it to.
And I could set it not to go to sleep. 

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Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over and
read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
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Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen reader's
speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


> Hi,
> Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
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> On Behalf Of michael barnes
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
> To: gamers@audyssey.org
> Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
> ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the 
> requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but 
> i don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at 
> my screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing 
> happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
It's better than many I've tried, some of the intonations are similar to
actual English speech; I've never figured out why people like Dektalk, I
utterly loath it.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

well eloquence is the blindness shipping product that goes in everything.
win eyes, k1000, and even hal now though some like k1000 and gw did have
dectalk synths.
eloquence is ok for a synth but all the small issues it had in the past.
Its also quite robotic and crappy, though as a fast responce synth its good
for what it needs to be which is probably why its everywhere.
At 07:13 a.m. 22/04/2010, you wrote:
>Hi,
>No, it is just simply the fact ever since shipping Eloquence with Jaws
>they automatically assume that is what all of their customers will use
>or want to use.  Plus for them to purchase the Phonix Dectalk 5 SDK
>and then write a Jaws driver for it would cost them money, and they
>don't want to do it. So they suggested Eloquence instead. Which, like
>I said,  totally missed my point I don't very much like Eloquence and
>want the speed and reliability of Dectalk.
>Window-Eyes on the other hand ships with the Dectalk software out of
>the box, and one very huge reason I switched over to them around the
>4.0 days.  I've always been a fan of the Dectalk products, and when
>Window Eyes made it the default synth I switched. I only keep Jaws
>around for odd jobs and things where Window-eyes support could be a
>little better. Otherwise I have no need of the shark.
>
>
>Smile.
>
>On 4/21/10, Muhammed Deniz  wrote:
>> I like jaws. Though probably elequnts is much more supported, that's why
>> they may of said that to you.
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Well, that does happen in this country as well sadly. I'm not sure why my 
secondary school began with hal, - maybe things were different in the 
early 90's, pluss my brother already had a very good relationship with 
dolphin anyway and was a major fan of luna as a magnifyer.
After some experimentation, I did try win vision briefly at one point, which 
was able to give amazingly fast response with decktalk thanks to a hardware 
synthesisor box, - which proceeded to break down completely within six 
months of me using it, at which point I was given a copy of supernova to be 
going on with,  and it actually turned out the stuff which had attracted 
me to trying win vision in the first place was quite doable with a more up 
to date version of Hal than the one I'd been used to previously.


I did experiment with jaws for a few days on a computer at a society for the 
blind in Nottingham,  more for interest sake than anything else. The 
profound difficulty in changing basic settings such as reading of capitals I 
found quite irritating. At the time I believed this was because I was 
unfamiliar with Jaws,  now though i actually wonder if it's just that 
(as Tom has said), jaws doesn't really make altering settings too easy 
anyway.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


Exactly Dark. That's the only reason I was such a staunch JAWS user for 
ten years. And the only other option I did experiment with was OutSpoken, 
the first screen reader for Mac. And to be quite honest I absolutely hated 
that. But the reason, at least here in the US, that so many people support 
JAWS is that state agencies for the blind are contractually obligated by 
FS to teach their clients JAWS.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


I think what surprises me about screen readers though is the way that 
people tned to assume because jaws does something it's universal.


I've seen a good few games which say "unload your screen reader" where in 
actual fact "your screen reader" just means jaws and it's irritated key 
shortcut business, and window eyes, system access and Hal don't need to 
do this at all.


The only sad thing is Jaws is so often presented as the only system 
available, people do assume that it's the only workable solution and 
don't considder alternatives.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Exactly Dark. That's the only reason I was such a staunch JAWS user for ten 
years. And the only other option I did experiment with was OutSpoken, the 
first screen reader for Mac. And to be quite honest I absolutely hated that. 
But the reason, at least here in the US, that so many people support JAWS is 
that state agencies for the blind are contractually obligated by FS to teach 
their clients JAWS.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


I think what surprises me about screen readers though is the way that 
people tned to assume because jaws does something it's universal.


I've seen a good few games which say "unload your screen reader" where in 
actual fact "your screen reader" just means jaws and it's irritated key 
shortcut business, and window eyes, system access and Hal don't need to do 
this at all.


The only sad thing is Jaws is so often presented as the only system 
available, people do assume that it's the only workable solution and don't 
considder alternatives.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Actually Bryan, having to put a screen reader to sleep while running games 
or other programs would down right annoy me.


When writing up material for audiogames.net I quite commonly load up a game 
to check basic info such as keys or main menue options and flick out of the 
game to write stuff down, then flick back. I also do this frequently when 
error reporting or testing as well,  or indeed when I just feel the need 
to check my mail and am too lazy to stop playing,  say, in the middle of 
a long entombed game (which obviously I run with sapi).


Maybe I've just become too used to the option, but not having it there would 
be a major pest.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:54 PM
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Exactly. There are, however rare they might be, times when it isn't 
necessarily practical to put your screenr eader to sleep even while 
gaming. A game developer testing his product is just a case in point.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi Dark,
Based on my personal experience here Jaws is definitely the exception
not the rule.  Right now I have Window-Eyes 7.11 and the latest
version of NVDA on my system and neither one has a problem being run
in the background with a game. I've used both of them with MOTA beta
12 with no conflicts at all.  I would assume that Hal will similarly
have no problems. With the Jaws 11 demo the game's keyboard input
locks up every time. There is obviously something in Jaws  that
conflicts with DirectInput and will not release keyboard control to
the application when it has focus. Despite having told FS about this
problem over and over again for years it goes in one ear and out the
other. All their so-called tech support says is to put Jaws to sleep,
but once again they consistantly overlook the obvious. I don't have to
do this with Window-Eyes or NVDA. Why do Jaws users have to put up
with this behavior from Jaws when clearly it is a Jaws issue and not a
screen reader issue?




On 4/21/10, dark  wrote:

It's interesting all the good stuff thae Tom and Bryan have listed about
Window eyes also applies to Hal,  even the tech support business and
ability to use Sapi synths as speech output. I even stil use orphius for 
the
same reason That Bryan uses eloquence,  the response time is so 
fast, in

fact it's the only synth I've seen that can keep up with my usual typing
speed even set on word echo.

I do rather wonder if Jaws's idio syncracies, inability to flick 
streight

off, keyboard shinanigans etc are the exception, rather than the rule.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
I think what surprises me about screen readers though is the way that people 
tned to assume because jaws does something it's universal.


I've seen a good few games which say "unload your screen reader" where in 
actual fact "your screen reader" just means jaws and it's irritated key 
shortcut business, and window eyes, system access and Hal don't need to do 
this at all.


The only sad thing is Jaws is so often presented as the only system 
available, people do assume that it's the only workable solution and don't 
considder alternatives.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Exactly. There are, however rare they might be, times when it isn't 
necessarily practical to put your screenr eader to sleep even while gaming. 
A game developer testing his product is just a case in point.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi Dark,
Based on my personal experience here Jaws is definitely the exception
not the rule.  Right now I have Window-Eyes 7.11 and the latest
version of NVDA on my system and neither one has a problem being run
in the background with a game. I've used both of them with MOTA beta
12 with no conflicts at all.  I would assume that Hal will similarly
have no problems. With the Jaws 11 demo the game's keyboard input
locks up every time. There is obviously something in Jaws  that
conflicts with DirectInput and will not release keyboard control to
the application when it has focus. Despite having told FS about this
problem over and over again for years it goes in one ear and out the
other. All their so-called tech support says is to put Jaws to sleep,
but once again they consistantly overlook the obvious. I don't have to
do this with Window-Eyes or NVDA. Why do Jaws users have to put up
with this behavior from Jaws when clearly it is a Jaws issue and not a
screen reader issue?




On 4/21/10, dark  wrote:

It's interesting all the good stuff thae Tom and Bryan have listed about
Window eyes also applies to Hal,  even the tech support business and
ability to use Sapi synths as speech output. I even stil use orphius for 
the
same reason That Bryan uses eloquence,  the response time is so fast, 
in

fact it's the only synth I've seen that can keep up with my usual typing
speed even set on word echo.

I do rather wonder if Jaws's idio syncracies, inability to flick streight
off, keyboard shinanigans etc are the exception, rather than the rule.

Beware the grue!

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark,
Based on my personal experience here Jaws is definitely the exception
not the rule.  Right now I have Window-Eyes 7.11 and the latest
version of NVDA on my system and neither one has a problem being run
in the background with a game. I've used both of them with MOTA beta
12 with no conflicts at all.  I would assume that Hal will similarly
have no problems. With the Jaws 11 demo the game's keyboard input
locks up every time. There is obviously something in Jaws  that
conflicts with DirectInput and will not release keyboard control to
the application when it has focus. Despite having told FS about this
problem over and over again for years it goes in one ear and out the
other. All their so-called tech support says is to put Jaws to sleep,
but once again they consistantly overlook the obvious. I don't have to
do this with Window-Eyes or NVDA. Why do Jaws users have to put up
with this behavior from Jaws when clearly it is a Jaws issue and not a
screen reader issue?




On 4/21/10, dark  wrote:
> It's interesting all the good stuff thae Tom and Bryan have listed about
> Window eyes also applies to Hal,  even the tech support business and
> ability to use Sapi synths as speech output. I even stil use orphius for the
> same reason That Bryan uses eloquence,  the response time is so fast, in
> fact it's the only synth I've seen that can keep up with my usual typing
> speed even set on word echo.
>
> I do rather wonder if Jaws's idio syncracies, inability to flick streight
> off, keyboard shinanigans etc are the exception, rather than the rule.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread shaun everiss
well eloquence is the blindness shipping product that goes in everything.
win eyes, k1000, and even hal now though some like k1000 and gw did have 
dectalk synths.
eloquence is ok for a synth but all the small issues it had in the past.
Its also quite robotic and crappy, though as a fast responce synth its good for 
what it needs to be which is probably why its everywhere.
At 07:13 a.m. 22/04/2010, you wrote:
>Hi,
>No, it is just simply the fact ever since shipping Eloquence with Jaws
>they automatically assume that is what all of their customers will use
>or want to use.  Plus for them to purchase the Phonix Dectalk 5 SDK
>and then write a Jaws driver for it would cost them money, and they
>don't want to do it. So they suggested Eloquence instead. Which, like
>I said,  totally missed my point I don't very much like Eloquence and
>want the speed and reliability of Dectalk.
>Window-Eyes on the other hand ships with the Dectalk software out of
>the box, and one very huge reason I switched over to them around the
>4.0 days.  I've always been a fan of the Dectalk products, and when
>Window Eyes made it the default synth I switched. I only keep Jaws
>around for odd jobs and things where Window-eyes support could be a
>little better. Otherwise I have no need of the shark.
>
>
>Smile.
>
>On 4/21/10, Muhammed Deniz  wrote:
>> I like jaws. Though probably elequnts is much more supported, that's why
>> they may of said that to you.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread shaun everiss
well one reason I still like hal for games is you can turn the voice and 
hotkeys off.
the reader is still loaded but its not doing any intercepts.
doesn't mean it could crash but it does mean when you are done you can switch 
it back in.
trouble is its easy to forget.
At 07:05 a.m. 22/04/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Muhammed,
>As Bryan said earlier with Window-Eyes most of the time you don't even
>have to put the screen reader to sleep with most games.  In fact, when
>I'm doing all of my testing I have Window-Eyes running in the
>background to catch any popup error messages etc while I'm playing.
>With Jaws 11 the keys won't work and the game locks up unless I put it
>to sleep or unload it.  That makes it less than useful for a game
>developer, and a royal pain in the tail.
>
>
>On 4/21/10, Muhammed Deniz  wrote:
>> Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the comfigiration
>> manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by hitting ault s then
>> selecting that option. Then I could set it to go to sleep when I want it to.
>> And I could set it not to go to sleep.
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread shaun everiss
I still use hal though mine is grosly out dated now.
I have not seen any reason to switch though even though I could if i cared to 
have the guts its the same with win xp apart from the security aspects I will 
have to spend loads of cash to upgrade hal and jaws and with jaws looks I'd 
need to pay more to get vpc mode.
So all in all not upgrading to something I don't need including any ie over 6 
is something I doubt I'd bother with.
secure yes but clutter when I don't need it.
At 04:12 a.m. 22/04/2010, you wrote:
>You could also turn off hal by pressing the control and the 0  key. I
>haven't used hal for a while, because that was on my brothers win 98 desktop
>but no one uses that desktop anymore. That's why jaws is good, because you
>could do anything you want. I use to use hal back in when I was 9  or 8
>maybe 7 or 6. But thank goodness I could use this win 7 dude now. I think it
>had something like msn messenger but I thought it was saying well when I was
>very small and when I turned it off, zoice off instead of voice off. I must
>really say I hate hal and that windows 98 computer because it was freezing
>every 5 minutes. Off corse, I didn't have much of a computer nollige then. 
>
>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of dark
>Sent: 21 April 2010 08:06
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
>Actually Sapi and Hal let me do that pretty well,  in fact I've quite
>often been known to flick Hal's voice back on, read E-mails then flick back
>to entombed and turn the voice off, especially if I come up against
>something wonky in the game.
>
>Beware the Grue!
>
>Dark.
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>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
>> someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over and
>> read.
>> Best Regards,
>> Hayden
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>>
>> Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
>> games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
>> never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
>> reader's
>> speech. So I don't bother with it.
>> He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
>> of ggh.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Hayden Presley" 
>> To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Hayden
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Behalf Of michael barnes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
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>>> Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>>>
>>> ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
>>> requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but i
>>> don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at my
>>> screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing
>>> happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?
>>>
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
man i would like to play the game.  but because of the problem i'm 
having i can't.  like i have said before i have all the requirements 
and i have done the stuff like folks have say.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
It's interesting all the good stuff thae Tom and Bryan have listed about 
Window eyes also applies to Hal,  even the tech support business and 
ability to use Sapi synths as speech output. I even stil use orphius for the 
same reason That Bryan uses eloquence,  the response time is so fast, in 
fact it's the only synth I've seen that can keep up with my usual typing 
speed even set on word echo.


I do rather wonder if Jaws's idio syncracies, inability to flick streight 
off, keyboard shinanigans etc are the exception, rather than the rule.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi Muhammed,
As Bryan said earlier with Window-Eyes most of the time you don't even
have to put the screen reader to sleep with most games.  In fact, when
I'm doing all of my testing I have Window-Eyes running in the
background to catch any popup error messages etc while I'm playing.
With Jaws 11 the keys won't work and the game locks up unless I put it
to sleep or unload it.  That makes it less than useful for a game
developer, and a royal pain in the tail.





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Re: [Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson

Actually it's Alison. LOL. But I agree. I used to be addicted to that game.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.



Hi Alice. Please if you hear of anything that you let me know as well. But
I'd probably see it if it's on the list. I too remember playing this old
classic when I was in high school on a old apple two e. It wold be cool if
it were transfered to a windows platform and even cooler if it had sound
effects as well.
Here's to making old classic games blind friendly.
Have a good day,

From the Kolesar brothers and our puppies

kolesar16...@roadrunner.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Allison Mervis" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:32 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.


Hi everyone.
I am among those who would love to see an accessible Oregon Trail game
developed for windows. I remember hearing last year that Louis Bryant was
working on porting over the Apple version. If that's the case, I would
personally be more than willing to donate to support that project. I would
also be willing to pay for the finished product. I've found a few versions
of the game for Windows, but not surprisingly, they were not accessible. 
If
Louis does have something in the works, I'm sure that there are many 
others

who might also be willing to help support his efforts.
Allison
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Re: [Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.

2010-04-21 Thread The Kolesar Brothers
Hi Alice. Please if you hear of anything that you let me know as well. But 
I'd probably see it if it's on the list. I too remember playing this old 
classic when I was in high school on a old apple two e. It wold be cool if 
it were transfered to a windows platform and even cooler if it had sound 
effects as well.
Here's to making old classic games blind friendly.
Have a good day,
>From the Kolesar brothers and our puppies
kolesar16...@roadrunner.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Allison Mervis" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:32 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.


Hi everyone.
I am among those who would love to see an accessible Oregon Trail game 
developed for windows. I remember hearing last year that Louis Bryant was 
working on porting over the Apple version. If that's the case, I would 
personally be more than willing to donate to support that project. I would 
also be willing to pay for the finished product. I've found a few versions 
of the game for Windows, but not surprisingly, they were not accessible. If 
Louis does have something in the works, I'm sure that there are many others 
who might also be willing to help support his efforts.
Allison
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson

I wasn't a fan of System Access.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


that is why i don't care for crap for windows. that is what i call jaws. 
if you want a good screen reader then go with system access.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
that is why i don't care for crap for windows. that is what i call 
jaws.  if you want a good screen reader then go with system access.


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[Audyssey] Speaking of Oregon trail.

2010-04-21 Thread Allison Mervis
Hi everyone.
I am among those who would love to see an accessible Oregon Trail game 
developed for windows. I remember hearing last year that Louis Bryant was 
working on porting over the Apple version. If that's the case, I would 
personally be more than willing to donate to support that project. I would also 
be willing to pay for the finished product. I've found a few versions of the 
game for Windows, but not surprisingly, they were not accessible. If Louis does 
have something in the works, I'm sure that there are many others who might also 
be willing to help support his efforts.
Allison
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Hi Thomas,
I thought this. Ring Jorje Bell and it should be fine. His a computer
technition I think. He helps us with all of hour problems. Off cource if we
really need help and he can't help, then we ring tech support. If they're
like that, I'd like to prank call them, hehehe. 

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There was no need to be rude or condescending about it though. A company
like that really needs pay more attention to their customers' wants and
needs. That's probably why a lot of people who make the switch from JAWS do
it in the first place. And there are things that, say, Window-Eyes does
that, while JAWS might do the same things, Window-Eyes does better.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


>I like jaws. Though probably elequnts is much more supported, that's 
>why  they may of said that to you.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
> On Behalf Of Thomas Ward
> Sent: 21 April 2010 19:58
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
> Hi Bryan,
> Oh, don't get me started on Freedom Scientific tech support. Those 
> guys are idiots. They have an extremely narrow view of the world 
> that's for sure.
> I remember calling them about wanting to support the Dectalk 5 
> Software produced by Phonix.  They are like, "Why do you want to do 
> that? Everybody uses Eloquence. There is no need to support the 
> Dectalk software. I suggest you use Eloquence instead."
> It seams whoever answered my call has a massive shortage of brain power.
> Perhaps I wanted to use the Dectalk software because I like it, 
> because contrary to his view not everybody likes Eloquence, and not 
> everyone with half a brain wants to use it.  It is very insulting to 
> call up a tech support person and be told that the company sees my 
> request as not worth their time.  Then, to suggest that maybe I should 
> use Eloquence instead because everybody else uses it. That's totally 
> missing the point of my call.
> So I'm sure if I called them about Neospeech Kate or Paul their 
> response wouldn't be too much different.  They seriously have a bad 
> attitude about their customers wants, needs,  and opinions.  So Jaws 
> isn't worth my time, and several others. That is one reason I went to 
> Window-Eyes several years back.
>
> Smile.
>
> On 4/21/10, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
>> Window-Eyes lets  you use most SAPI voices including the NeoSpeech ones.
>> JAWS doesn't let you use those, and heaven forbid you should ask FS 
>> tech support to help you get that to work. That's another thing 
>> Inever liked about JAWS.
>> He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
>> castle of ggh.
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
No, it is just simply the fact ever since shipping Eloquence with Jaws
they automatically assume that is what all of their customers will use
or want to use.  Plus for them to purchase the Phonix Dectalk 5 SDK
and then write a Jaws driver for it would cost them money, and they
don't want to do it. So they suggested Eloquence instead. Which, like
I said,  totally missed my point I don't very much like Eloquence and
want the speed and reliability of Dectalk.
Window-Eyes on the other hand ships with the Dectalk software out of
the box, and one very huge reason I switched over to them around the
4.0 days.  I've always been a fan of the Dectalk products, and when
Window Eyes made it the default synth I switched. I only keep Jaws
around for odd jobs and things where Window-eyes support could be a
little better. Otherwise I have no need of the shark.


Smile.

On 4/21/10, Muhammed Deniz  wrote:
> I like jaws. Though probably elequnts is much more supported, that's why
> they may of said that to you.

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
There was no need to be rude or condescending about it though. A company 
like that really needs pay more attention to their customers' wants and 
needs. That's probably why a lot of people who make the switch from JAWS do 
it in the first place. And there are things that, say, Window-Eyes does 
that, while JAWS might do the same things, Window-Eyes does better.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Muhammed Deniz" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



I like jaws. Though probably elequnts is much more supported, that's why
they may of said that to you.

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 21 April 2010 19:58
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Hi Bryan,
Oh, don't get me started on Freedom Scientific tech support. Those guys 
are

idiots. They have an extremely narrow view of the world that's for sure.
I remember calling them about wanting to support the Dectalk 5 Software
produced by Phonix.  They are like, "Why do you want to do that? Everybody
uses Eloquence. There is no need to support the Dectalk software. I 
suggest

you use Eloquence instead."
It seams whoever answered my call has a massive shortage of brain power.
Perhaps I wanted to use the Dectalk software because I like it, because
contrary to his view not everybody likes Eloquence, and not everyone with
half a brain wants to use it.  It is very insulting to call up a tech
support person and be told that the company sees my request as not worth
their time.  Then, to suggest that maybe I should use Eloquence instead
because everybody else uses it. That's totally missing the point of my 
call.

So I'm sure if I called them about Neospeech Kate or Paul their response
wouldn't be too much different.  They seriously have a bad attitude about
their customers wants, needs,  and opinions.  So Jaws isn't worth my time,
and several others. That is one reason I went to Window-Eyes several years
back.

Smile.

On 4/21/10, Bryan Peterson  wrote:

Window-Eyes lets  you use most SAPI voices including the NeoSpeech ones.
JAWS doesn't let you use those, and heaven forbid you should ask FS
tech support to help you get that to work. That's another thing Inever
liked about JAWS.
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castle of ggh.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Muhammed,
As Bryan said earlier with Window-Eyes most of the time you don't even
have to put the screen reader to sleep with most games.  In fact, when
I'm doing all of my testing I have Window-Eyes running in the
background to catch any popup error messages etc while I'm playing.
With Jaws 11 the keys won't work and the game locks up unless I put it
to sleep or unload it.  That makes it less than useful for a game
developer, and a royal pain in the tail.


On 4/21/10, Muhammed Deniz  wrote:
> Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the comfigiration
> manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by hitting ault s then
> selecting that option. Then I could set it to go to sleep when I want it to.
> And I could set it not to go to sleep.

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
I like jaws. Though probably elequnts is much more supported, that's why
they may of said that to you. 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: 21 April 2010 19:58
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Hi Bryan,
Oh, don't get me started on Freedom Scientific tech support. Those guys are
idiots. They have an extremely narrow view of the world that's for sure.
I remember calling them about wanting to support the Dectalk 5 Software
produced by Phonix.  They are like, "Why do you want to do that? Everybody
uses Eloquence. There is no need to support the Dectalk software. I suggest
you use Eloquence instead."
It seams whoever answered my call has a massive shortage of brain power.
Perhaps I wanted to use the Dectalk software because I like it, because
contrary to his view not everybody likes Eloquence, and not everyone with
half a brain wants to use it.  It is very insulting to call up a tech
support person and be told that the company sees my request as not worth
their time.  Then, to suggest that maybe I should use Eloquence instead
because everybody else uses it. That's totally missing the point of my call.
So I'm sure if I called them about Neospeech Kate or Paul their response
wouldn't be too much different.  They seriously have a bad attitude about
their customers wants, needs,  and opinions.  So Jaws isn't worth my time,
and several others. That is one reason I went to Window-Eyes several years
back.

Smile.

On 4/21/10, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> Window-Eyes lets  you use most SAPI voices including the NeoSpeech ones.
> JAWS doesn't let you use those, and heaven forbid you should ask FS 
> tech support to help you get that to work. That's another thing Inever 
> liked about JAWS.
> He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
> castle of ggh.

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Yeah. And I bet if you asked them to help you configure a game you were 
developing to work with JAWS their response would be the same. "JAWS wasn't 
meant to be used to play games!" or somesuch nonsense. I'll freely admit I 
use Eloquence more than the other voices I have but only because it has the 
highest response rate of any synthe I've ever used. I wouldn't bother with 
it at all but for that. And I absolutely refuse to use it in audio games if 
I can help it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Ward" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi Bryan,
Oh, don't get me started on Freedom Scientific tech support. Those
guys are idiots. They have an extremely narrow view of the world
that's for sure.
I remember calling them about wanting to support the Dectalk 5
Software produced by Phonix.  They are like, "Why do you want to do
that? Everybody uses Eloquence. There is no need to support the
Dectalk software. I suggest you use Eloquence instead."
It seams whoever answered my call has a massive shortage of brain
power. Perhaps I wanted to use the Dectalk software because I like it,
because contrary to his view not everybody likes Eloquence, and not
everyone with half a brain wants to use it.  It is very insulting to
call up a tech support person and be told that the company sees my
request as not worth their time.  Then, to suggest that maybe I should
use Eloquence instead because everybody else uses it. That's totally
missing the point of my call.
So I'm sure if I called them about Neospeech Kate or Paul their
response wouldn't be too much different.  They seriously have a bad
attitude about their customers wants, needs,  and opinions.  So Jaws
isn't worth my time, and several others. That is one reason I went to
Window-Eyes several years back.

Smile.

On 4/21/10, Bryan Peterson  wrote:

Window-Eyes lets  you use most SAPI voices including the NeoSpeech ones.
JAWS doesn't let you use those, and heaven forbid you should ask FS tech
support to help you get that to work. That's another thing Inever liked
about JAWS.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle

of ggh.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan,
Oh, don't get me started on Freedom Scientific tech support. Those
guys are idiots. They have an extremely narrow view of the world
that's for sure.
I remember calling them about wanting to support the Dectalk 5
Software produced by Phonix.  They are like, "Why do you want to do
that? Everybody uses Eloquence. There is no need to support the
Dectalk software. I suggest you use Eloquence instead."
It seams whoever answered my call has a massive shortage of brain
power. Perhaps I wanted to use the Dectalk software because I like it,
because contrary to his view not everybody likes Eloquence, and not
everyone with half a brain wants to use it.  It is very insulting to
call up a tech support person and be told that the company sees my
request as not worth their time.  Then, to suggest that maybe I should
use Eloquence instead because everybody else uses it. That's totally
missing the point of my call.
So I'm sure if I called them about Neospeech Kate or Paul their
response wouldn't be too much different.  They seriously have a bad
attitude about their customers wants, needs,  and opinions.  So Jaws
isn't worth my time, and several others. That is one reason I went to
Window-Eyes several years back.

Smile.

On 4/21/10, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> Window-Eyes lets  you use most SAPI voices including the NeoSpeech ones.
> JAWS doesn't let you use those, and heaven forbid you should ask FS tech
> support to help you get that to work. That's another thing Inever liked
> about JAWS.
> He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
> of ggh.

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Re: [Audyssey] my rock band folder.

2010-04-21 Thread Yohandy
man that sucks. Got it for ps3 here. and I wanted to play you online too! oh 
well...


- Original Message - 
From: "joe quinn" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my rock band folder.



what console have ya got it for? i've got it for the 360!
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From: "Yohandy" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my rock band folder.



   Yup Rock Band is a series of games for consoles.

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From: "Soulfinder" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my rock band folder.



 Is it a game?

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
I'm sure you could, but that's the point. You don't even have to do that 
with Window-Eyes.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Muhammed Deniz" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Well I think, you could create a function by jaws scripting.

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 21 April 2010 17:50
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

See with Window-Eyes you don't even have to do that much, unless a 
keystroke

in the game would conflict with a Window-Eyes keystroke. And it's easy to
modify hotkeys so they don't interfere.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
- Original Message -
From: "Muhammed Deniz" 
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the
comfigiration manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by
hitting ault s then selecting that option. Then I could set it to go
to sleep when I want it to.
And I could set it not to go to sleep.

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
On Behalf Of Hayden Presley
Sent: 21 April 2010 04:32
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over
and read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in
my games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I
can never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen
reader's speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the
castle of ggh.
- Original Message -
From: "Hayden Presley" 
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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On Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but
i don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at
my screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but
nothing happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Well I think, you could create a function by jaws scripting. 

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 21 April 2010 17:50
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

See with Window-Eyes you don't even have to do that much, unless a keystroke
in the game would conflict with a Window-Eyes keystroke. And it's easy to
modify hotkeys so they don't interfere.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
- Original Message -
From: "Muhammed Deniz" 
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


> Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the 
> comfigiration manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by 
> hitting ault s then selecting that option. Then I could set it to go 
> to sleep when I want it to.
> And I could set it not to go to sleep.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
> On Behalf Of Hayden Presley
> Sent: 21 April 2010 04:32
> To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
> Hi,
> Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if 
> someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over 
> and read.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
> On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
> Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in 
> my games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I 
> can never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
> reader's speech. So I don't bother with it.
> He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
> castle of ggh.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hayden Presley" 
> To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
>> Best Regards,
>> Hayden
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org 
>> [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
>> On Behalf Of michael barnes
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
>> To: gamers@audyssey.org
>> Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>>
>> ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the 
>> requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but 
>> i don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at 
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Well obviously, the quality if your computer doesn't have anything to do 
with what screen reader your using at all. I first learnt It skills and 
typing on an absolutely horrible old monster of a thing running windows 3.1 
with a copy of Hal version 3 on it.


That machine locked up every session and had no harddrive space 
whatsoever,  and that was in 1995, however it was deffinately the 
machine that was off, and when I switched to using a better quality laptop 
problems didn't come up at all.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



You could also turn off hal by pressing the control and the 0  key. I
haven't used hal for a while, because that was on my brothers win 98 
desktop

but no one uses that desktop anymore. That's why jaws is good, because you
could do anything you want. I use to use hal back in when I was 9  or 8
maybe 7 or 6. But thank goodness I could use this win 7 dude now. I think 
it
had something like msn messenger but I thought it was saying well when I 
was
very small and when I turned it off, zoice off instead of voice off. I 
must

really say I hate hal and that windows 98 computer because it was freezing
every 5 minutes. Off corse, I didn't have much of a computer nollige then.

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: 21 April 2010 08:06
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Actually Sapi and Hal let me do that pretty well,  in fact I've quite
often been known to flick Hal's voice back on, read E-mails then flick 
back

to entombed and turn the voice off, especially if I come up against
something wonky in the game.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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From: "Hayden Presley" 
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over 
and

read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen
reader's
speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle

of ggh.
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From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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On

Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but i
don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at my
screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing
happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?

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Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Unfortunately charlese, neither my trying of the demo nor the audio reviews 
I've heard have given me that impression at all to be honest,  maybe if 
the game has got more complicated recently an audio review or more words 
about it would b  good, sinse it just did seem to me to be a very basic hit 
enter at sound x sort of affair,  even if one with extremely high 
quality sound and ambience.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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From: "Charles Rivard" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game


On the contrary.  If you choose the most difficult skill level, the 
swinging and aiming method, and use the hook feature, it's not that easy 
to score high.  It is no longer a simple pressing of the enter key. 
Timing and skill are factors.

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From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



I must confess I was never a fan of ten pin alley myself.

extremely lovely sounds and ambience,, but the game essentially boiled 
down to a basic press space in center jobby like bsc hearts or indeed 
Philip's example game for the bgt.


A lot of the features like adding your name really didn't seem to make as 
much difference to the actual game play generally.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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From: "Bryan Peterson" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



Or parodies of same LOL.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle of ggh.
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From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



Hi,
And if you're a fan of old commercials...
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
On

Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:03 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

Tenpin Alley is the game for you.  Get the demo from

www.draconisentertainment.com

Try it, buy it, and get the key to unlock it, then have fun, but stay 
out of


the gutter.  HTH
- Original Message - 
From: "michael barnes" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] bowling game


what would be the most current bowling game?  the kind i'm looking for 
is

one that is realistic. could someone tell me which one that would be.

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Window-Eyes lets  you use most SAPI voices including the NeoSpeech ones. 
JAWS doesn't let you use those, and heaven forbid you should ask FS tech 
support to help you get that to work. That's another thing Inever liked 
about JAWS.
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of ggh.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


i disagree about jaws.  i love system access because it is the only program 
that will let you use julie which is a realistic voice.  with sapi you can 
download paul which is a realistic voice.


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Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson

I couldn't agree more. I've done that many times.
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of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Rivard" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game


On the contrary.  If you choose the most difficult skill level, the 
swinging and aiming method, and use the hook feature, it's not that easy 
to score high.  It is no longer a simple pressing of the enter key. 
Timing and skill are factors.

---
In God we trust.
- Original Message - 
From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



I must confess I was never a fan of ten pin alley myself.

extremely lovely sounds and ambience,, but the game essentially boiled 
down to a basic press space in center jobby like bsc hearts or indeed 
Philip's example game for the bgt.


A lot of the features like adding your name really didn't seem to make as 
much difference to the actual game play generally.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Peterson" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



Or parodies of same LOL.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle of ggh.
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From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



Hi,
And if you're a fan of old commercials...
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
On

Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:03 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

Tenpin Alley is the game for you.  Get the demo from

www.draconisentertainment.com

Try it, buy it, and get the key to unlock it, then have fun, but stay 
out of


the gutter.  HTH
- Original Message - 
From: "michael barnes" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] bowling game


what would be the most current bowling game?  the kind i'm looking for 
is

one that is realistic. could someone tell me which one that would be.

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
See with Window-Eyes you don't even have to do that much, unless a keystroke 
in the game would conflict with a Window-Eyes keystroke. And it's easy to 
modify hotkeys so they don't interfere.
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From: "Muhammed Deniz" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the 
comfigiration
manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by hitting ault s 
then
selecting that option. Then I could set it to go to sleep when I want it 
to.

And I could set it not to go to sleep.

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Hayden Presley
Sent: 21 April 2010 04:32
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over and
read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
reader's

speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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On Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but
i don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at
my screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing
happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
Well that's a matter of personal opinion. I happen to not like JAWS because 
of how it monopolizes the keyboard, not to mention a whole host of other 
issues I could spend all day listing if I so chose but won't. I just happen 
to like how you can if necessarily leave Window-Eyes running while playing a 
game and not have it interfere with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Jaws is cool!

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: 21 April 2010 05:03
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

That's one thing I like about Window-Eyes. It can still be running when a
game is in progress because it doesn't monopolize the keyboard the way JFW
does. And you don't even have to modify either the game or the screen 
reader
for this to work the way you often do with JAWS. I used to unload my 
screen
reader out of habit even after switching to WE. Then one afternoon I went 
to

play a game of Classic Pipe and for whatever reason I forgot to unload
Window-Eyes. I wasn't even aware of this until after I'd quit the game.
Window-Eyes neither spoke nor caused any key conflicts. If I'd tried that
with JAWS I'd have been lucky to pass the first level. And if someone
messages me I can switch over and reply without disrupting the game, not
that I make a habit of that.
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over
and read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in
my games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I
can never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen
reader's speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the
castle of ggh.
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From: "Hayden Presley" 
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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[mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but
i don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at
my screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but
nothing happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread michael barnes
i disagree about jaws.  i love system access because it is the only 
program that will let you use julie which is a realistic voice.  with 
sapi you can download paul which is a realistic voice.


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
You could also turn off hal by pressing the control and the 0  key. I
haven't used hal for a while, because that was on my brothers win 98 desktop
but no one uses that desktop anymore. That's why jaws is good, because you
could do anything you want. I use to use hal back in when I was 9  or 8
maybe 7 or 6. But thank goodness I could use this win 7 dude now. I think it
had something like msn messenger but I thought it was saying well when I was
very small and when I turned it off, zoice off instead of voice off. I must
really say I hate hal and that windows 98 computer because it was freezing
every 5 minutes. Off corse, I didn't have much of a computer nollige then. 

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Behalf Of dark
Sent: 21 April 2010 08:06
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Actually Sapi and Hal let me do that pretty well,  in fact I've quite
often been known to flick Hal's voice back on, read E-mails then flick back
to entombed and turn the voice off, especially if I come up against
something wonky in the game.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.
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From: "Hayden Presley" 
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


> Hi,
> Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
> someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over and
> read.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
> Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
> games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
> never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
> reader's
> speech. So I don't bother with it.
> He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
> of ggh.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Hayden Presley" 
> To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
>> Best Regards,
>> Hayden
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
>> Behalf Of michael barnes
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
>> To: gamers@audyssey.org
>> Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>>
>> ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
>> requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but i
>> don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at my
>> screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing
>> happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?
>>
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[Audyssey] swing swing, and so what expert guitar. rock band 2.

2010-04-21 Thread Yohandy

Swing swing by all American Rejects:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rpljrx
   So what by Pink:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jtnfhb

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[Audyssey] game recordings

2010-04-21 Thread ENES SARIBAŞ
hello
thanks for the recordings!
are there any more game recordings from independent sources

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Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

2010-04-21 Thread Charles Rivard
On the contrary.  If you choose the most difficult skill level, the swinging 
and aiming method, and use the hook feature, it's not that easy to score 
high.  It is no longer a simple pressing of the enter key.  Timing and skill 
are factors.

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From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



I must confess I was never a fan of ten pin alley myself.

extremely lovely sounds and ambience,, but the game essentially boiled 
down to a basic press space in center jobby like bsc hearts or indeed 
Philip's example game for the bgt.


A lot of the features like adding your name really didn't seem to make as 
much difference to the actual game play generally.


Beware the Grue!

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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



Or parodies of same LOL.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle of ggh.
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From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game



Hi,
And if you're a fan of old commercials...
Best Regards,
Hayden

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On

Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:03 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] bowling game

Tenpin Alley is the game for you.  Get the demo from

www.draconisentertainment.com

Try it, buy it, and get the key to unlock it, then have fun, but stay 
out of


the gutter.  HTH
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From: "michael barnes" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] bowling game


what would be the most current bowling game?  the kind i'm looking for 
is

one that is realistic. could someone tell me which one that would be.

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Really Really Really? I could just put jaws by going in to the comfigiration
manager in jaws, then I could go to advantsed options by hitting ault s then
selecting that option. Then I could set it to go to sleep when I want it to.
And I could set it not to go to sleep. 

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Behalf Of Hayden Presley
Sent: 21 April 2010 04:32
To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over and
read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen reader's
speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
- Original Message -
From: "Hayden Presley" 
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


> Hi,
> Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
> On Behalf Of michael barnes
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
> To: gamers@audyssey.org
> Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
> ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the 
> requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but 
> i don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at 
> my screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing 
> happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?
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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Muhammed Deniz
Jaws is cool!

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Sent: 21 April 2010 05:03
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That's one thing I like about Window-Eyes. It can still be running when a
game is in progress because it doesn't monopolize the keyboard the way JFW
does. And you don't even have to modify either the game or the screen reader
for this to work the way you often do with JAWS. I used to unload my screen
reader out of habit even after switching to WE. Then one afternoon I went to
play a game of Classic Pipe and for whatever reason I forgot to unload
Window-Eyes. I wasn't even aware of this until after I'd quit the game. 
Window-Eyes neither spoke nor caused any key conflicts. If I'd tried that
with JAWS I'd have been lucky to pass the first level. And if someone
messages me I can switch over and reply without disrupting the game, not
that I make a habit of that.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


> Hi,
> Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if 
> someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over 
> and read.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
> On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
> Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in 
> my games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I 
> can never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
> reader's speech. So I don't bother with it.
> He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
> castle of ggh.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hayden Presley" 
> To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
>> Best Regards,
>> Hayden
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org 
>> [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
>> To: gamers@audyssey.org
>> Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing
>>
>> ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the 
>> requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but 
>> i don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at 
>> my screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but 
>> nothing happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] two things

2010-04-21 Thread peter Mahach

fwiw, I might take care of the talking.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] two things


The ful version of haunted factory was available only by special download, 
so it's not even around anymore,  I stil have a copy but haven't 
played it for a long time sinse it conflicts with Avg, also I'd rather not 
have it installing the now very old version of Klango, it used.


Actually maybe someone should talk to the Klango dev team about this,   
not to mention about pirate memory, sinse their status is currently 
uncertain.


Haunted factory was a sound based game similar to tetris involving sound 
matching. Some people I know weren't keen on it but I did think it was a 
potentially good idea for a game,  though perhaps some more ways of 
reviewing the game board and knowing what blocks were there in order to 
setup combos and the like would've been nice.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] two things


First off Michael the word is Haunted not Hunted. Second I don't know if 
you can even get the full version. Not all developers have taken the 
route that Philip did with his old titles. Some you just can't get 
anymore.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle of ggh.
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From: "michael barnes" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:57 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] two things


i was told yesterday that the company that made hunted factory was no 
longer around.  so how can i get the full version of the game?  because i 
went to audio gaems site but the link don't work.  so i would like to 
know if someone have this game that i can get the full game from?  the 
second thing is i have the requirements to run the horse racing game. 
but it act like it wants to load but it don't do anything.  so how can i 
play  this game?


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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
I know. That's one of the biggest reasons I finally just dumped JAWS in 
favor of Window-Eyes. Granted I didn't know that then but now that I do...
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
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From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


As I said Bryan, I've been doing this in Hal for ages, in games or indeed 
when watching dvd's sinse I can just flick Hal's voice off and use the 
standard power dvd shortcuts on my computer just like buttons on a 
standard dvd player without Hal providing any issues.


It's probably okay when you get used to it, but this keyboard snagging and 
unloading business with Jaws personally always struck me as a mighty big 
pain in the backside.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Peterson" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


That's one thing I like about Window-Eyes. It can still be running when a 
game is in progress because it doesn't monopolize the keyboard the way 
JFW does. And you don't even have to modify either the game or the screen 
reader for this to work the way you often do with JAWS. I used to unload 
my screen reader out of habit even after switching to WE. Then one 
afternoon I went to play a game of Classic Pipe and for whatever reason I 
forgot to unload Window-Eyes. I wasn't even aware of this until after I'd 
quit the game. Window-Eyes neither spoke nor caused any key conflicts. If 
I'd tried that with JAWS I'd have been lucky to pass the first level. And 
if someone messages me I can switch over and reply without disrupting the 
game, not that I make a habit of that.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over 
and

read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
On

Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
reader's

speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle

of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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On

Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but i
don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at my
screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing
happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread Bryan Peterson
It's like I've said before. I wish I still had the file I created two years 
ago of the suicidal Microsoft Sam.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
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From: "dark" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


I must confess I do agreee, Now that I've got scansoft daniel, sapi for 
games,  even highly complex ones like entombed or time of conflict 
works great.


Then again it seems heavily dependent upon voice. That was one of the 
chief reasons the screen reader speech business got added to Entombed, 
because the default sapi voices are so completely horrible as compared to 
the proprietory ones which Hal, jaws etc use,  and honestly I can't 
blame people for that.


I stil have a laugh with my friends remembering the occasion when they 
turned up while I was in the shower, and I yelled instructions at them to 
set up a game of kitchinsinc life on my desktop and turn up the volume so 
I could here it in my bathroom.


unfortunately, that was back before I could even get ms mike or Mary 
working and was stuck with microsoft Sam.


"You may play the markit if you own stck, but you daaan't!"

So ultimately it's a case of "you may play the sapi if you have a good 
voice,  but you dnt!" ;D.


Beware the grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
As I said Bryan, I've been doing this in Hal for ages, in games or indeed 
when watching dvd's sinse I can just flick Hal's voice off and use the 
standard power dvd shortcuts on my computer just like buttons on a standard 
dvd player without Hal providing any issues.


It's probably okay when you get used to it, but this keyboard snagging and 
unloading business with Jaws personally always struck me as a mighty big 
pain in the backside.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Peterson" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing


That's one thing I like about Window-Eyes. It can still be running when a 
game is in progress because it doesn't monopolize the keyboard the way JFW 
does. And you don't even have to modify either the game or the screen 
reader for this to work the way you often do with JAWS. I used to unload 
my screen reader out of habit even after switching to WE. Then one 
afternoon I went to play a game of Classic Pipe and for whatever reason I 
forgot to unload Window-Eyes. I wasn't even aware of this until after I'd 
quit the game. Window-Eyes neither spoke nor caused any key conflicts. If 
I'd tried that with JAWS I'd have been lucky to pass the first level. And 
if someone messages me I can switch over and reply without disrupting the 
game, not that I make a habit of that.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle 
of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over 
and

read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
reader's

speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the 
castle

of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] 
On

Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but i
don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at my
screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing
happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
Actually Sapi and Hal let me do that pretty well,  in fact I've quite 
often been known to flick Hal's voice back on, read E-mails then flick back 
to entombed and turn the voice off, especially if I come up against 
something wonky in the game.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Really? I am the other way around. Plus it means I can multy task--if
someone Messages me while I am playing entombed I can just switch over and
read.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

Some people don't like JAWS though. I'm one of them. I prefer Sapi in my
games anyway if it's a choice between that and the screen reader. I can
never get the timing quite right between the action and the screen 
reader's

speech. So I don't bother with it.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Hayden Presley" 

To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing



Hi,
Don't use SAPI--ue JAWS.
Best Regards,
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

ok evryone who has suggest a couple of stuff.  i have all the
requirements to run the game.  someone had said to turn on sapi.  but i
don't no what they mean by that.  i had a sighted person to look at my
screen and they said the game act like it wants to load but nothing
happen.  i would like to play this game can someone help?

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Re: [Audyssey] problem with horse racing

2010-04-21 Thread dark
I must confess I do agreee, Now that I've got scansoft daniel, sapi for 
games,  even highly complex ones like entombed or time of conflict works 
great.


Then again it seems heavily dependent upon voice. That was one of the chief 
reasons the screen reader speech business got added to Entombed, because the 
default sapi voices are so completely horrible as compared to the 
proprietory ones which Hal, jaws etc use,  and honestly I can't blame 
people for that.


I stil have a laugh with my friends remembering the occasion when they 
turned up while I was in the shower, and I yelled instructions at them to 
set up a game of kitchinsinc life on my desktop and turn up the volume so I 
could here it in my bathroom.


unfortunately, that was back before I could even get ms mike or Mary working 
and was stuck with microsoft Sam.


"You may play the markit if you own stck, but you daaan't!"

So ultimately it's a case of "you may play the sapi if you have a good 
voice,  but you dnt!" ;D.


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