Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] Survive the wild.
Where do i get this game from? thanks -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. As far as I understand generally, there is audio feedback for what items are immediately around you, as well as various streight up object scans that tell you what is waht, however things like discovering the location of where the river is on the map are not given in audio and you just eneed to check the documentation. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. With no audio feedback, how can the game be played successfully? Blind people rely on audio feedback. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. Yes, it is. The game is really good although navigating around can be a bit of a pain sometimes with no audio feedback, so trying to find small things like the stream or clay can be quite tricky, and can cause you to die pretty fast without water and before you even find any. From Lori. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 10:18 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. Hi Lenron, I believe the website for Survive the Wild is http://www.samtupy.com if I'm not mistaken. Cheers! On 6/19/15, lenron brown lenro...@gmail.com wrote: where may I find this game would love to give it a go. On 6/18/15, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I've just started playing survive the wild, and although I'm really liking the consept, I'm finding there is a lot of policy destroying, as I'm still a newbie and some guy with a strange sounding name saw fit to shoot me for no reason. Not sure how I go about reporting him, but the admins really need to crack down on things like that. I'm having to start over again as a result, and am unable to find the clay to make pots with. I found the stream and tryed going what I thought was west, but all I found was the shoreline and a sound like walking on mud. I also can't find any clay when i scan with the m key. Does anyone have some tips on surviving and navigating around? I like hearing players moving around near me, and I hope too Sam will make the radios more flexible and different channels for different languages as it gets pretty spammy at times. Thanks from Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
oh yes i do keep my braille for years. i get my thermoform from future aids the braille superstore. I write pretty quick with the slate and stylus and also the perkins brailler will write on thermoform as well. i use the thermoform for my addressbook and other notes i want to last long. and i have some lightweight standard ink printer paper for just casual brailling like my 8 year old son's spelling words lists during school. I like to use braille to complement the technology I have. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/20/2015 11:03 AM, Danielle Ledet wrote: Dark, that is what I was thinking. Jeremy, you are right but what would it hurt for someone to approach the orgs around convention time. I know NFB state affiliates Braille their own stuff and Im sure ACB does too. Maybe cost could be negotiated with them to do the Brailling. Then, you could reach out to rehab agencies and maybe some folks could leave a pamphlet heare and there at local libraries and health fairs and doctor offices. Just some off the top small thinking. Tom, exactly. Add to that the little sections at the end of the Braille Forum, the Braille Monitor, and the Blind Bargains classifieds. We wouldn't actually know what the cost would be until somebody produced this pamphlet and brailled out a sample and presented to the transcribers woud we? I don't see why it would be such a big deal for these resellers to stick that right in the middle of the Braille catalogs they send out or include it with audio media. It would be like all that extra stuff you get with your bank statement or phone bill or a Valpak coupon. Josh, I will look into this. I had a Juliet Classic in good working order and no telling where my parents put it. Might not even be usable anymore. So I need something and can't afford a heavy-duty printer like Juliet and don't have sponsors anymore. $300 would be doable over time though. Jeez, I never thought to write on thermoform myself. You must keep your Braille for years. Charles, I echo you. Braille Braille, Braille. Bring it back! I feel lost even after all these years being unable to quickly right something down or pick it up and read. Now I lose a lot of info with computers constantly being purposefully fried! Folks just don't understand. Nothing against the folks who love their newfound freedom with modern tech but I feel like they are at war with me personally. Well, folks since I keep having to make unnecessary repair, I'm never gling to ketch up! That should be obvious though. Danielle On 6/20/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
That's why this pamphlet should be in braille. Other than you and your fingers, no equipment necessary. Independent reading at your own pace. Totally random access of information. The noise in the room doesn't interfere, and any blind person who learned to read for themselves can access it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) I use a combination of braille alongside my technology like the pc and android phone. for example i take phone numbers and contacts and write them with my slate and keep a braille copy. then i don't always need to turn a device on i can just look up the number in my own custom addressbook with other notes and stuff when needed. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/20/2015 10:09 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] Survive the wild.
I wish there was a sort of crafting guide for this game, it would help. On 6/20/15, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: Where do i get this game from? thanks -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. As far as I understand generally, there is audio feedback for what items are immediately around you, as well as various streight up object scans that tell you what is waht, however things like discovering the location of where the river is on the map are not given in audio and you just eneed to check the documentation. Beware the grue! Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. With no audio feedback, how can the game be played successfully? Blind people rely on audio feedback. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. Yes, it is. The game is really good although navigating around can be a bit of a pain sometimes with no audio feedback, so trying to find small things like the stream or clay can be quite tricky, and can cause you to die pretty fast without water and before you even find any. From Lori. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 10:18 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Survive the wild. Hi Lenron, I believe the website for Survive the Wild is http://www.samtupy.com if I'm not mistaken. Cheers! On 6/19/15, lenron brown lenro...@gmail.com wrote: where may I find this game would love to give it a go. On 6/18/15, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I've just started playing survive the wild, and although I'm really liking the consept, I'm finding there is a lot of policy destroying, as I'm still a newbie and some guy with a strange sounding name saw fit to shoot me for no reason. Not sure how I go about reporting him, but the admins really need to crack down on things like that. I'm having to start over again as a result, and am unable to find the clay to make pots with. I found the stream and tryed going what I thought was west, but all I found was the shoreline and a sound like walking on mud. I also can't find any clay when i scan with the m key. Does anyone have some tips on surviving and navigating around? I like hearing players moving around near me, and I hope too Sam will make the radios more flexible and different channels for different languages as it gets pretty spammy at times. Thanks from Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
Hi Tom. This is indeed why I suggested producing a leaflet in braille in the first place. I don't want to have the braille arguement again, but whichever way you cut the cookie there are people who still use braille who you wouldn't reach through a mailing list or a website. Same goes for large print, although it is likely that if a person has enough vision to read large print (like my brother), they will have enough vision to play a lot of graphical games possibly with physical magnification aides, still there is no harm in having the information out there and hay there are no hard an fast rules with levels of sight. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10057 - Release Date: 06/20/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines)
Hi Charlse. I disagree with you that anyone already with a computer and access to a search engine would discover audio games, sinse many blind people are given a computer and told this is for work and not much else. Up until I saw the article I mentioned in the braile circular in 2003, the idea that you could play games on a computer just plane hadn't occurred to me. About the most fun I'd had was using ms word to make character sheets for DD tabletop games, and that was still essentially word processing, I assumed computer games were just on consoles and it would never have even occurred to me that a game with sound could be fun even if one did exist. If your a blind person and presented with a computer and told this is for work it won't occur to many to experiment outside of that, which will also affect their computer skills quite badly. The case is even worse on ap store related systems sinse you will get a hell of a lot of results to inaccessible games even if it occurs to you to search for them. However, sinse such a leaflet needs to be written on computer anyway, having an electronic copy is hardly going to be an issue, it's getting one done in braille and possibly large print and then the physical distribution of such that will be the problem. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
Dark, that is what I was thinking. Jeremy, you are right but what would it hurt for someone to approach the orgs around convention time. I know NFB state affiliates Braille their own stuff and Im sure ACB does too. Maybe cost could be negotiated with them to do the Brailling. Then, you could reach out to rehab agencies and maybe some folks could leave a pamphlet heare and there at local libraries and health fairs and doctor offices. Just some off the top small thinking. Tom, exactly. Add to that the little sections at the end of the Braille Forum, the Braille Monitor, and the Blind Bargains classifieds. We wouldn't actually know what the cost would be until somebody produced this pamphlet and brailled out a sample and presented to the transcribers woud we? I don't see why it would be such a big deal for these resellers to stick that right in the middle of the Braille catalogs they send out or include it with audio media. It would be like all that extra stuff you get with your bank statement or phone bill or a Valpak coupon. Josh, I will look into this. I had a Juliet Classic in good working order and no telling where my parents put it. Might not even be usable anymore. So I need something and can't afford a heavy-duty printer like Juliet and don't have sponsors anymore. $300 would be doable over time though. Jeez, I never thought to write on thermoform myself. You must keep your Braille for years. Charles, I echo you. Braille Braille, Braille. Bring it back! I feel lost even after all these years being unable to quickly right something down or pick it up and read. Now I lose a lot of info with computers constantly being purposefully fried! Folks just don't understand. Nothing against the folks who love their newfound freedom with modern tech but I feel like they are at war with me personally. Well, folks since I keep having to make unnecessary repair, I'm never gling to ketch up! That should be obvious though. Danielle On 6/20/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would
Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
what kind of embosser do you have? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/19/2015 9:15 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Mine isn't nearly as loud as some of the others apparently are. And I've got it working after a bit of working with it this afternoon. When it's embossing, it sounds like it's ripping heavy paper, and I can't be on the phone in the same room with it, but it's OK if I go into the living room. I don't have carpet in this house,either. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi John, Yes, those braille embossers are very loud. Loud enough that when its running it is best to put it as far away as possible while it is running because it will drowned out the sound of anything you might be doing be it TV, radio, your favorite audio book, etc. As has been stated normal volume just won't cut it when one of those embossers are running. I remember a day when I was in college I had to prepare a speech for my communications class, and I set my embosser to brailing out my speech. Now, as has been stated those things are extraordinarily loud even under ordinary conditions. However, my dorm room happened to have no carpet on the floor, block walls, so things were going to echo like inside a cave in their. Add to the fact I was running a very loud obnoxious braille embosser it sounded like ten of those going at once in that room. The people living next door to me got pretty peeved at the noise so cranked their stereo up full blast. A few minutes later the guys in the other dorm next to mine turned their stereo up full blast and the sound was so earsplitting I decided to walk out and go eat lunch and when I came back the entire dorm floor was empty. Apparently everyone decided to go on holiday while my braille embosser was doing its brailing because two stereos were not quite enough to mask the sound of it embossing. LOL. Cheers! On 6/19/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Because we're way out in humor land: I think an afternoon's optimistic... to the point where if optimism were pennies, you'd be richer than Bill Gates. That of course presumes that you don't have six hands, three braillers and some super mutant ability that lets you type as fast as the mechanisms are physically capable of moving (its actually not that fast - its not easy, but you can actually get it to braille over existing stuff if you hit the keys quickly enough). I'm not quite sure what embosser you've got, but if I start using mine I'm going to move the computer for it into a nice basement room all by itself so I can actually have a chance of hearing anything else in the house. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of listening to these things, they're loud enough to completely drown out conversations, unless you make an effort (we're not talking screaming here, but you're never getting away with normal volume). Finally, I'm not sure I'd be able to live with myself if I didn't throw a shout out to the stylus line! Nuff said - its two messages down if you missed it. p.s: This is meant entirely as humor - no insult to anyone was intended. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10054 - Release Date: 06/19/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list,
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
I mean I had to jump through hoops to get that embosser. I was really pissed about it. On 6/20/15, Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote: oh yes i do keep my braille for years. i get my thermoform from future aids the braille superstore. I write pretty quick with the slate and stylus and also the perkins brailler will write on thermoform as well. i use the thermoform for my addressbook and other notes i want to last long. and i have some lightweight standard ink printer paper for just casual brailling like my 8 year old son's spelling words lists during school. I like to use braille to complement the technology I have. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/20/2015 11:03 AM, Danielle Ledet wrote: Dark, that is what I was thinking. Jeremy, you are right but what would it hurt for someone to approach the orgs around convention time. I know NFB state affiliates Braille their own stuff and Im sure ACB does too. Maybe cost could be negotiated with them to do the Brailling. Then, you could reach out to rehab agencies and maybe some folks could leave a pamphlet heare and there at local libraries and health fairs and doctor offices. Just some off the top small thinking. Tom, exactly. Add to that the little sections at the end of the Braille Forum, the Braille Monitor, and the Blind Bargains classifieds. We wouldn't actually know what the cost would be until somebody produced this pamphlet and brailled out a sample and presented to the transcribers woud we? I don't see why it would be such a big deal for these resellers to stick that right in the middle of the Braille catalogs they send out or include it with audio media. It would be like all that extra stuff you get with your bank statement or phone bill or a Valpak coupon. Josh, I will look into this. I had a Juliet Classic in good working order and no telling where my parents put it. Might not even be usable anymore. So I need something and can't afford a heavy-duty printer like Juliet and don't have sponsors anymore. $300 would be doable over time though. Jeez, I never thought to write on thermoform myself. You must keep your Braille for years. Charles, I echo you. Braille Braille, Braille. Bring it back! I feel lost even after all these years being unable to quickly right something down or pick it up and read. Now I lose a lot of info with computers constantly being purposefully fried! Folks just don't understand. Nothing against the folks who love their newfound freedom with modern tech but I feel like they are at war with me personally. Well, folks since I keep having to make unnecessary repair, I'm never gling to ketch up! That should be obvious though. Danielle On 6/20/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
yes i agree. in my opinion all blind folks should learn to read braille and write it with a slate and stylus and also a perkins brailler. after all slates are $5 US dollars or so therefore everyone should be able to read and write stuff. I think we also need OBR optical braille recognition to scan braille into the computer and turn our writing into printed materials. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/20/2015 11:33 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: That's why this pamphlet should be in braille. Other than you and your fingers, no equipment necessary. Independent reading at your own pace. Totally random access of information. The noise in the room doesn't interfere, and any blind person who learned to read for themselves can access it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) I use a combination of braille alongside my technology like the pc and android phone. for example i take phone numbers and contacts and write them with my slate and keep a braille copy. then i don't always need to turn a device on i can just look up the number in my own custom addressbook with other notes and stuff when needed. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/20/2015 10:09 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is
[Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was, info games game engines)
While we, at 7-128 Software can't help with the braille process, we would be glad to help in other ways. We have someone on staff who is a professional editor who could review the text of the final draft (not the braille rendition) if that is needed. After that, probably someone should also review the actual braille rendition to be sure there is no error in translation. I think the basic idea is a very good one. I think that distribution at local and national conferences, and by putting the word out about the availability of these pamphlets on other lists as well as some other locations mentioned previously should be an effective way of getting people aware of, and interested in, audiogames. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was, info games game engines)
Hi Eleanor. I'm working on something at the second. I can't promise when it will be ready sinse I do want to take time and it'll need a few draughts and rechecks before even I! am satisfied, but when done I definitely like the idea of someone looking it over, particularly as regards things paragraphs and spacing not to mention typos. I will hopefully have it done in the next week. All the best, dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Eleanor elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:55 PM Subject: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was, info games game engines) While we, at 7-128 Software can't help with the braille process, we would be glad to help in other ways. We have someone on staff who is a professional editor who could review the text of the final draft (not the braille rendition) if that is needed. After that, probably someone should also review the actual braille rendition to be sure there is no error in translation. I think the basic idea is a very good one. I think that distribution at local and national conferences, and by putting the word out about the availability of these pamphlets on other lists as well as some other locations mentioned previously should be an effective way of getting people aware of, and interested in, audiogames. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
I use a combination of braille alongside my technology like the pc and android phone. for example i take phone numbers and contacts and write them with my slate and keep a braille copy. then i don't always need to turn a device on i can just look up the number in my own custom addressbook with other notes and stuff when needed. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/20/2015 10:09 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10057 - Release Date: 06/20/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
Although it may seem odd, I don't recall. If anyone can tell from the panel layout description below, I can find a user's manual online? Thanks. There is a panel of buttons with braille abbreviations on them. At the far left, on is above of. Then a raised line to separate sections from each other. To the right, in the second section, is either ff or 66, then either h5 or hen, then no. The next column from top to bottom are dd and ss. The next column from top to bottom are re and zf. Next, from left to right, are r and m. Next column from top to bottom are #1 and (probably 10) or aj. Next, from left to right, are a, b, c, or 1, 2, 3. Finally from left to right are su, then slightly above and to the right is gr, then back even with su is it, and to the right and slightly below is va. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) what kind of embosser do you have? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/19/2015 9:15 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Mine isn't nearly as loud as some of the others apparently are. And I've got it working after a bit of working with it this afternoon. When it's embossing, it sounds like it's ripping heavy paper, and I can't be on the phone in the same room with it, but it's OK if I go into the living room. I don't have carpet in this house,either. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi John, Yes, those braille embossers are very loud. Loud enough that when its running it is best to put it as far away as possible while it is running because it will drowned out the sound of anything you might be doing be it TV, radio, your favorite audio book, etc. As has been stated normal volume just won't cut it when one of those embossers are running. I remember a day when I was in college I had to prepare a speech for my communications class, and I set my embosser to brailing out my speech. Now, as has been stated those things are extraordinarily loud even under ordinary conditions. However, my dorm room happened to have no carpet on the floor, block walls, so things were going to echo like inside a cave in their. Add to the fact I was running a very loud obnoxious braille embosser it sounded like ten of those going at once in that room. The people living next door to me got pretty peeved at the noise so cranked their stereo up full blast. A few minutes later the guys in the other dorm next to mine turned their stereo up full blast and the sound was so earsplitting I decided to walk out and go eat lunch and when I came back the entire dorm floor was empty. Apparently everyone decided to go on holiday while my braille embosser was doing its brailing because two stereos were not quite enough to mask the sound of it embossing. LOL. Cheers! On 6/19/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Because we're way out in humor land: I think an afternoon's optimistic... to the point where if optimism were pennies, you'd be richer than Bill Gates. That of course presumes that you don't have six hands, three braillers and some super mutant ability that lets you type as fast as the mechanisms are physically capable of moving (its actually not that fast - its not easy, but you can actually get it to braille over existing stuff if you hit the keys quickly enough). I'm not quite sure what embosser you've got, but if I start using mine I'm going to move the computer for it into a nice basement room all by itself so I can actually have a chance of hearing anything else in the house. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of listening to these things, they're loud enough to completely drown out conversations, unless you make an effort (we're not talking screaming here, but you're never getting away with normal volume). Finally, I'm not sure I'd be able to live with myself if I didn't throw a shout out to the stylus line! Nuff said - its two messages down if you missed it. p.s: This is meant entirely as humor - no insult to anyone was intended. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
I prefer braille over some material things. For example: if I want to read something on the computer screen instead of using speech I connect my braille display to the computer or I braille it using a braille embosser. I know that braille displays and braille embossers can be really expensive, which is why some people prefer to read information using screen reading software. I have a index basic-d v4 embosser, and when I would send a document to the embosser, it sounded like a mixer, that you would use to mix food with. Kenny Peyatt On 6/20/2015 8:08 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
You have a basic- d index braille embosser. Kenny Peyatt On 6/20/2015 12:02 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Although it may seem odd, I don't recall. If anyone can tell from the panel layout description below, I can find a user's manual online? Thanks. There is a panel of buttons with braille abbreviations on them. At the far left, on is above of. Then a raised line to separate sections from each other. To the right, in the second section, is either ff or 66, then either h5 or hen, then no. The next column from top to bottom are dd and ss. The next column from top to bottom are re and zf. Next, from left to right, are r and m. Next column from top to bottom are #1 and (probably 10) or aj. Next, from left to right, are a, b, c, or 1, 2, 3. Finally from left to right are su, then slightly above and to the right is gr, then back even with su is it, and to the right and slightly below is va. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) what kind of embosser do you have? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/19/2015 9:15 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Mine isn't nearly as loud as some of the others apparently are. And I've got it working after a bit of working with it this afternoon. When it's embossing, it sounds like it's ripping heavy paper, and I can't be on the phone in the same room with it, but it's OK if I go into the living room. I don't have carpet in this house,either. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi John, Yes, those braille embossers are very loud. Loud enough that when its running it is best to put it as far away as possible while it is running because it will drowned out the sound of anything you might be doing be it TV, radio, your favorite audio book, etc. As has been stated normal volume just won't cut it when one of those embossers are running. I remember a day when I was in college I had to prepare a speech for my communications class, and I set my embosser to brailing out my speech. Now, as has been stated those things are extraordinarily loud even under ordinary conditions. However, my dorm room happened to have no carpet on the floor, block walls, so things were going to echo like inside a cave in their. Add to the fact I was running a very loud obnoxious braille embosser it sounded like ten of those going at once in that room. The people living next door to me got pretty peeved at the noise so cranked their stereo up full blast. A few minutes later the guys in the other dorm next to mine turned their stereo up full blast and the sound was so earsplitting I decided to walk out and go eat lunch and when I came back the entire dorm floor was empty. Apparently everyone decided to go on holiday while my braille embosser was doing its brailing because two stereos were not quite enough to mask the sound of it embossing. LOL. Cheers! On 6/19/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Because we're way out in humor land: I think an afternoon's optimistic... to the point where if optimism were pennies, you'd be richer than Bill Gates. That of course presumes that you don't have six hands, three braillers and some super mutant ability that lets you type as fast as the mechanisms are physically capable of moving (its actually not that fast - its not easy, but you can actually get it to braille over existing stuff if you hit the keys quickly enough). I'm not quite sure what embosser you've got, but if I start using mine I'm going to move the computer for it into a nice basement room all by itself so I can actually have a chance of hearing anything else in the house. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of listening to these things, they're loud enough to completely drown out conversations, unless you make an effort (we're not talking screaming here, but you're never getting away with normal volume). Finally, I'm not sure I'd be able to live with myself if I didn't throw a shout out to the stylus line! Nuff said - its two messages down if you missed it. p.s: This is meant entirely as humor - no insult to anyone was intended. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] [Odyssey] Survive the wild.
I really tried to play survive the wild. I could't get on land. Lots of the peple on there don't speak english, and it makes my screen reader mudder strange stuff. If anyone is familiar with the game and would like to talk to me about it, write me off list. My email is ard...@samobile.net. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines)
Just because you can, doesn't mean you do. I think we should also target the folks who've been told you use your computer to type documents, and nothing else. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5961 / Virus Database: 4365/10057 - Release Date: 06/20/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audiogames(wasinfo games game engines)
Hi Charlse. Bare in mind it's not a question of Saying anything to anyone, the leaflet can't say well if you've been told your computer is just for work and can't do anything interesting that is a big fat lie! it's just a matter of recognizing why different distribution methods appeal to different groups people. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audiogames(wasinfo games game engines) Those who say that you cannot use the computer for other than work related tasks should also be targets. They should also be asked if they use their computer for strictly those purposes or if they know others who take this attitude. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) Just because you can, doesn't mean you do. I think we should also target the folks who've been told you use your computer to type documents, and nothing else. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be
[Audyssey] braille/large print/other media
Thomas, Hence the subject heading. I think you're right. While we shouldn't limit such an attempt to just blindness awareness organizations, we shouldn't limit the message to just braille either. Eleanor, excellent. That's a good thing to have multiple checks and inputs. Braille folks: While I personally sympathize with your position, if this is a serious effort to expand the audio games market, then it needs to pursue all media we can. As Dark pointed out, adding an electronic copy to a document being produced electronically is zero cost. Though to some of us who do not have low vision sufficient to read large print or play games, the idea might seem ludicrous, I'm sure there are low vision people who probably take advantage of some audio materials. Even if they do not now, there are people with degenerative disorders that might be interested. The point here, in gaining sponsors, pursuing leads, and casting our bread on the waters, is to use as wide a net as possible. We lose nothing by a little pre-planning and outreach now. We might gain a lot. It's all too easy for this sort of effort to flop if people get too territorial or single-minded. Take care, Jeremy -- In the fight between you and the world--back the world! Frank Zapa --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines)
Those who say that you cannot use the computer for other than work related tasks should also be targets. They should also be asked if they use their computer for strictly those purposes or if they know others who take this attitude. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games(wasinfo games game engines) Just because you can, doesn't mean you do. I think we should also target the folks who've been told you use your computer to type documents, and nothing else. -- From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media
Other than your stratogy involving making nets out of bread, which would probably be an incredibly impressive fiet of baking though I'm not sure it'd catch anything, I totally agree, no point limiting this if this is the plan. I will also add that producing an electronic copy will cost zippo, while producing a hard print copy will be comparatively inexpensive too as compared to braille, and it's better for the information to be out there in as many forms as possible. all the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Brown tyr...@gmail.com To: gamers gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:16 PM Subject: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media Thomas, Hence the subject heading. I think you're right. While we shouldn't limit such an attempt to just blindness awareness organizations, we shouldn't limit the message to just braille either. Eleanor, excellent. That's a good thing to have multiple checks and inputs. Braille folks: While I personally sympathize with your position, if this is a serious effort to expand the audio games market, then it needs to pursue all media we can. As Dark pointed out, adding an electronic copy to a document being produced electronically is zero cost. Though to some of us who do not have low vision sufficient to read large print or play games, the idea might seem ludicrous, I'm sure there are low vision people who probably take advantage of some audio materials. Even if they do not now, there are people with degenerative disorders that might be interested. The point here, in gaining sponsors, pursuing leads, and casting our bread on the waters, is to use as wide a net as possible. We lose nothing by a little pre-planning and outreach now. We might gain a lot. It's all too easy for this sort of effort to flop if people get too territorial or single-minded. Take care, Jeremy -- In the fight between you and the world--back the world! Frank Zapa --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
That brought the memory back. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Kenny p.wildcat1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) You have a basic- d index braille embosser. Kenny Peyatt On 6/20/2015 12:02 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Although it may seem odd, I don't recall. If anyone can tell from the panel layout description below, I can find a user's manual online? Thanks. There is a panel of buttons with braille abbreviations on them. At the far left, on is above of. Then a raised line to separate sections from each other. To the right, in the second section, is either ff or 66, then either h5 or hen, then no. The next column from top to bottom are dd and ss. The next column from top to bottom are re and zf. Next, from left to right, are r and m. Next column from top to bottom are #1 and (probably 10) or aj. Next, from left to right, are a, b, c, or 1, 2, 3. Finally from left to right are su, then slightly above and to the right is gr, then back even with su is it, and to the right and slightly below is va. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) what kind of embosser do you have? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/19/2015 9:15 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Mine isn't nearly as loud as some of the others apparently are. And I've got it working after a bit of working with it this afternoon. When it's embossing, it sounds like it's ripping heavy paper, and I can't be on the phone in the same room with it, but it's OK if I go into the living room. I don't have carpet in this house,either. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi John, Yes, those braille embossers are very loud. Loud enough that when its running it is best to put it as far away as possible while it is running because it will drowned out the sound of anything you might be doing be it TV, radio, your favorite audio book, etc. As has been stated normal volume just won't cut it when one of those embossers are running. I remember a day when I was in college I had to prepare a speech for my communications class, and I set my embosser to brailing out my speech. Now, as has been stated those things are extraordinarily loud even under ordinary conditions. However, my dorm room happened to have no carpet on the floor, block walls, so things were going to echo like inside a cave in their. Add to the fact I was running a very loud obnoxious braille embosser it sounded like ten of those going at once in that room. The people living next door to me got pretty peeved at the noise so cranked their stereo up full blast. A few minutes later the guys in the other dorm next to mine turned their stereo up full blast and the sound was so earsplitting I decided to walk out and go eat lunch and when I came back the entire dorm floor was empty. Apparently everyone decided to go on holiday while my braille embosser was doing its brailing because two stereos were not quite enough to mask the sound of it embossing. LOL. Cheers! On 6/19/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Because we're way out in humor land: I think an afternoon's optimistic... to the point where if optimism were pennies, you'd be richer than Bill Gates. That of course presumes that you don't have six hands, three braillers and some super mutant ability that lets you type as fast as the mechanisms are physically capable of moving (its actually not that fast - its not easy, but you can actually get it to braille over existing stuff if you hit the keys quickly enough). I'm not quite sure what embosser you've got, but if I start using mine I'm going to move the computer for it into a nice basement room all by itself so I can actually have a chance of hearing anything else in the house. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of listening to these things, they're loud enough to completely drown out conversations, unless you make an effort (we're not talking screaming here, but you're never getting away with normal volume). Finally, I'm not sure I'd be able to live with myself
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
Hi Charles, Okay, first thing. Just because screen magnification software exists does not necessarily mean low vision users will be able to play graphical games. Probably some, but the way screen magnification works is not inherently useful in playing a lot of graphical games. Therefore those users would most likely appreciate spoken feedback and audio versions of games the same as totally blind computer users. The next issue I'd like to address is just because someone is not braille literate does not necessarily mean he or she is technologically literate either and can use search engines, e-mails, etc. I'd like to point out the vast majority of blind and low vision people in the world are senior citizens and most of them lost their vision later on in life. As a result the kind of educational facilities to learn braille etc was not available to them at that stage of life and many of them have to develop alternative means of gathering and storing information such as audio tapes, a digital recorder, or have to be read to by a friend or family member. They may or may not have a computer, and even if they do we can not automatically assume they have the necessary skills to go on the web and search for games. While I understand your position on braille being the principle format for the pamphlet I wonder though how many people we can really reach if braille is the primary method of information chosen. The sad fact of the matter is the majority of blind people around the world are not braille literate either because they were too old when they went blind or they are rejecting it in favor of technical alternatives. I don't think we want to see us focus completely on braille and loose sight of the fact it is not the primary means of communication for the majority of the world's blind and low vision. Cheers! On 6/20/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the market this project is aimed at. If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either. That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind people. They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what gets them interested. The braille readers who may be cut off from the computer literate should be the focus. Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
