Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
How about when a mistake is made, noted in informative ways, and is continued? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Exactly Bryan. I always assumed the word was c a p t u r e, since that would make a lot of ssense given concepts like motion capture and capturing an image in films, not to mention screen captures being referring to immediate screenshots. I've also seen it actually written as c a p t u r e on several pages, though I don't doubt the acronym, and indeed when I've mentioned captures to several devs spelt that way nobody objectived. I don't mind the one correction, but I do wonder if it's getting a little much at this stage to quibble over semantics. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Charles. I equally don't appreciate hearing about the church of ladder day saints or how someone is going to catch fish with a hock. I'll also add that as a singer, it's necessary for me to go through a lot of exercises pronouncing and sounding every vowl, and doing that, the o and aa sound are extremely! different when pronounced by an English person speaking properly, or indeed an italian. It's only in certain other accents like American and irish where the o vowl is pronounced with the lips far further forward and far more emphasis on the top of the mouth and nose, indeed my singing teacher warned me that I'd need to change my mouth position when singing in an american accent. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Exactly Bryan. I always assumed the word was c a p t u r e, since that would make a lot of ssense given concepts like motion capture and capturing an image in films, not to mention screen captures being referring to immediate screenshots. I've also seen it actually written as c a p t u r e on several pages, though I don't doubt the acronym, and indeed when I've mentioned captures to several devs spelt that way nobody objectived. I don't mind the one correction, but I do wonder if it's getting a little much at this stage to quibble over semantics. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Dark, I've had much the same experience as you have with Firefox, and the versions seem to get less, not more stable, as time goes on. In fact, I'm having this problem now with Firefox where whenever a page loads that has any kind of Facebook or Twitter widgets, which, really, is most web pages nowadays, my computer will lock up for about 30 seconds. I can hear the hard drive working loudly, and this is a relatively quiet machine. then, once Firefox finishes loading the page, everything goes back to normal. But the delay is certainly annoying, and I can definitely understand your frustration with Firefox. Btw, this is on a 32 bit edition of Windows 7 running the latest versions of Jaws and Firefox. Plus, have you ever gone into your task manager and seen how much memory it takes up? It's insane. Not even Internet exploder takes up that much. With all that said, there are things that Firefox can do that Exploder just can't, I've found that, for example on certain blogs, IE will just crash outright, for example, and of course there's Web Vissum as well. On 4/8/13, dark wrote: --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi, i've found that if sites use numbers instead of letters for their audio captchas, they're easier to understand. I'm not sure why this is, since the synthesizer they use sounds like a dying robot, but maybe that could be a viable solution for web developers who don't want to get rid of their captchas. yahoo has done this, too, although they use these synthetic children's voices that sound like they came straight out of Children of the corn or something, lol. The point is, audio captchas that use numbers have been doable in my experience. Ones with letters and words rarely ever are. On 4/10/13, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > that is true on general questions, heck even I know who the first president > > of the Usa was and I'm not American :D. No idea on other presidents accept > those who were president when i was actually alive such as Ronald Raygon and > > the dreaded bush, , (I know a few names but not much about them), :D. > > Getting back to audio captures, it's not just the letters, it is the fact > that the capture can also flag up words. thus, something could be b, d, g, > grey, gay, hay day, or pay. > > Something could be spoon, 2, soon, shoe etc. > > The fact is that the captures are so! garbled and so randomized that your > really on to a none starter so that you can't even guess what something is. > > As I've said before, google's old sound captures were quite doable I found, > > indeed I often recommended them to devs, but rather than the samples of a > comparatively human sounding voice behind all the garbled chatter, they > seemed to have changed to a really staticky synth instead. > > One alternative might be to illinate the play online factor, and have a > short actual file of the system. There was always a download link as well as > > the embedded hyperlink script that played the capture, but I wonder given > that most spambots I imagine don't! have the routines to save files much > less review them if that would let them have more audible catprues, since it > > wouldn't be that bad for people to download a short mp3 or wav file of 30 > seconds and play it. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Dark, A thing to note about the download link it converts the CAPTCHA to mp3 on the spot so its not like they have a server full of sound files. So it probably wouldn't be possible or practical for them to create x number of mp3s and select one at random not when they can dynamically create one on the spot. Again, the solution is just to get them to clean up the audio CAPTCHA so that we can hear it regardless if it is played in real time or downloaded via mp3 etc. Cheers! On 4/10/13, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > that is true on general questions, heck even I know who the first president > > of the Usa was and I'm not American :D. No idea on other presidents accept > those who were president when i was actually alive such as Ronald Raygon and > > the dreaded bush, , (I know a few names but not much about them), :D. > > Getting back to audio captures, it's not just the letters, it is the fact > that the capture can also flag up words. thus, something could be b, d, g, > grey, gay, hay day, or pay. > > Something could be spoon, 2, soon, shoe etc. > > The fact is that the captures are so! garbled and so randomized that your > really on to a none starter so that you can't even guess what something is. > > As I've said before, google's old sound captures were quite doable I found, > > indeed I often recommended them to devs, but rather than the samples of a > comparatively human sounding voice behind all the garbled chatter, they > seemed to have changed to a really staticky synth instead. > > One alternative might be to illinate the play online factor, and have a > short actual file of the system. There was always a download link as well as > > the embedded hyperlink script that played the capture, but I wonder given > that most spambots I imagine don't! have the routines to save files much > less review them if that would let them have more audible catprues, since it > > wouldn't be that bad for people to download a short mp3 or wav file of 30 > seconds and play it. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
The UK and the US are two countries divided by a common language. (ornery grin) I have never liked hearing about a game of dots when they mean a game of darts or that someone has a good idear instead of a good idea. That kind of speech is not only used in the United Kingdom, though. Maybe, in the case of "capture" with an accent where the "r" is never pronounced, this is where braille is superior to speech when reading due to the type of feedback you get. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Gotta remember he's British. So Capture and Captcha sound the same. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:39 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? They won't pay any attention to something referring to a problem with "captures", as they won't know what you're talking about. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi tom. Well it is true that had I been able to contact google I would've already done so, indeed in your draughted proposal that might be something worth working out. As I said, I even tried to get google by phone, but there was no way to talk to anyone in their Uk office without going through an extention, meaning the public couldn't contact them at all. this is a stark contrast to the way they were 8 years ago, when I couldn't setup a google groups account or contact them due to a capture I phoned their tech support line and they made me an account with a password that I changed in about five minutes, indeed I was quite impressed with how helpful they were at that stage. Another thing i would strongly suggest with the petition, is that you manage to put as much clout and impressive sounding credenttials behind it as possible. It is possible google will say "we tested this capture system with volunteers, so bugger off!" If however you state that members of the list have tested the audio capture, including acclaimed experts on game design and access (see the experts list over at 7-128), this makes it sillier for them to argue. heck, feel free to start throwing my doctorate around at that point if you like too, nasty as it sounds, I have actually noticed it does make a difference with official boddies, though I will say i only tend to resort to those sort of underhanded tactics with real coorporate idiots who won't yield to practical reason. #Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Bryan, Lol. Actually, I blame the synth he is using. I know that with ESpeak, the default synth for Linux, capture and CAPTCHA sound identical and the only reason I know the difference is through experience. As a developer it is my job to know the spellings for various technologies. On 4/10/13, Bryan Peterson wrote: > Gotta remember he's British. So Capture and Captcha sound the same. LOL. > > > > But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Gotta remember he's British. So Capture and Captcha sound the same. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:39 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? They won't pay any attention to something referring to a problem with "captures", as they won't know what you're talking about. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi tom. Well it is true that had I been able to contact google I would've already done so, indeed in your draughted proposal that might be something worth working out. As I said, I even tried to get google by phone, but there was no way to talk to anyone in their Uk office without going through an extention, meaning the public couldn't contact them at all. this is a stark contrast to the way they were 8 years ago, when I couldn't setup a google groups account or contact them due to a capture I phoned their tech support line and they made me an account with a password that I changed in about five minutes, indeed I was quite impressed with how helpful they were at that stage. Another thing i would strongly suggest with the petition, is that you manage to put as much clout and impressive sounding credenttials behind it as possible. It is possible google will say "we tested this capture system with volunteers, so bugger off!" If however you state that members of the list have tested the audio capture, including acclaimed experts on game design and access (see the experts list over at 7-128), this makes it sillier for them to argue. heck, feel free to start throwing my doctorate around at that point if you like too, nasty as it sounds, I have actually noticed it does make a difference with official boddies, though I will say i only tend to resort to those sort of underhanded tactics with real coorporate idiots who won't yield to practical reason. #Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
They won't pay any attention to something referring to a problem with "captures", as they won't know what you're talking about. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi tom. Well it is true that had I been able to contact google I would've already done so, indeed in your draughted proposal that might be something worth working out. As I said, I even tried to get google by phone, but there was no way to talk to anyone in their Uk office without going through an extention, meaning the public couldn't contact them at all. this is a stark contrast to the way they were 8 years ago, when I couldn't setup a google groups account or contact them due to a capture I phoned their tech support line and they made me an account with a password that I changed in about five minutes, indeed I was quite impressed with how helpful they were at that stage. Another thing i would strongly suggest with the petition, is that you manage to put as much clout and impressive sounding credenttials behind it as possible. It is possible google will say "we tested this capture system with volunteers, so bugger off!" If however you state that members of the list have tested the audio capture, including acclaimed experts on game design and access (see the experts list over at 7-128), this makes it sillier for them to argue. heck, feel free to start throwing my doctorate around at that point if you like too, nasty as it sounds, I have actually noticed it does make a difference with official boddies, though I will say i only tend to resort to those sort of underhanded tactics with real coorporate idiots who won't yield to practical reason. #Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi tom. Well it is true that had I been able to contact google I would've already done so, indeed in your draughted proposal that might be something worth working out. As I said, I even tried to get google by phone, but there was no way to talk to anyone in their Uk office without going through an extention, meaning the public couldn't contact them at all. this is a stark contrast to the way they were 8 years ago, when I couldn't setup a google groups account or contact them due to a capture I phoned their tech support line and they made me an account with a password that I changed in about five minutes, indeed I was quite impressed with how helpful they were at that stage. Another thing i would strongly suggest with the petition, is that you manage to put as much clout and impressive sounding credenttials behind it as possible. It is possible google will say "we tested this capture system with volunteers, so bugger off!" If however you state that members of the list have tested the audio capture, including acclaimed experts on game design and access (see the experts list over at 7-128), this makes it sillier for them to argue. heck, feel free to start throwing my doctorate around at that point if you like too, nasty as it sounds, I have actually noticed it does make a difference with official boddies, though I will say i only tend to resort to those sort of underhanded tactics with real coorporate idiots who won't yield to practical reason. #Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Tom. that is true on general questions, heck even I know who the first president of the Usa was and I'm not American :D. No idea on other presidents accept those who were president when i was actually alive such as Ronald Raygon and the dreaded bush, , (I know a few names but not much about them), :D. Getting back to audio captures, it's not just the letters, it is the fact that the capture can also flag up words. thus, something could be b, d, g, grey, gay, hay day, or pay. Something could be spoon, 2, soon, shoe etc. The fact is that the captures are so! garbled and so randomized that your really on to a none starter so that you can't even guess what something is. As I've said before, google's old sound captures were quite doable I found, indeed I often recommended them to devs, but rather than the samples of a comparatively human sounding voice behind all the garbled chatter, they seemed to have changed to a really staticky synth instead. One alternative might be to illinate the play online factor, and have a short actual file of the system. There was always a download link as well as the embedded hyperlink script that played the capture, but I wonder given that most spambots I imagine don't! have the routines to save files much less review them if that would let them have more audible catprues, since it wouldn't be that bad for people to download a short mp3 or wav file of 30 seconds and play it. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Exactly. At least PayPal has a reasonably understandable one. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi, Exactly. The personal questions like what is your mother's maiden name, what is your dog's name, etc are perfectly fine when you have an existing account. That type of security question works well for retrieving your password etc. However, it doesn't work for creating a new account for the first time because it doesn't have a clue what your mother's maiden name is or what your dog's name is. :D However, as Dark pointed out there are plenty of general questions that could be asked at random to foil spambots like "who was the first president of the United States" or "what is the largest ocean in the world?" Such questions are general enough that most people past the fifth grade would know them, but unless a spambot has a large database of trivia facts might not be able to guess. So I think there are ways to get the same result without aC CAPTCHA. Still, the CAPTCHA system would be fine if the audio was clear enough to hear. The real complaint with Google and other CAPTCHAs is when you click on the audio link the letters are garbled to the point you can't tell if it said g or d or a or j. Some letters sound so alike in those CAPTCHAs it makes them impossible to use. So rather than trying to get Google etc to use something else I think the first step is just to fix the CAPTCHA system so it works for everyone. Cheers! On 4/10/13, dark wrote: Hi amanda. Tests like asking the mothers maiden name or your first school are all very well when you have created an account with someone such as bt or apple and need to log back in and check that account, but captchas usually refer only to when you create an account for the first time, which is why the question couldn't be personal. There are however still lots of general questions that could be asked though for account setup which everyone would know without resorting to those stupid captchas. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Dark, Agreed. As I just said in my last post the business of public assistance is off topic for the list. So I'm not going to revisit that part of the conversation. As far as Google goes I'll try and find some time this week to write a rough draft about their CAPTCHA system and post it here for review. If people like it I'll send it to Google or have my wife do it and see what happens next. Not sure if it will do much good but perhaps the one reason they haven't gotten any feedback like this is because a blind user has to get through the inaccessible CAPTCHA system to reach their admins. Making it a double whammy. Cheers! On 4/9/13, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. ] > > The question of assistance is really another matter (besides I do address it > > in my thesis), and should likely be kept off list as it's not exactly game > related and would require a more lengthy conversation than is possible I > think, (heck, I devoted about 5000 words of my thesis to it). > > Getting back to captchas though, I agree if you can contact google that > would really be helpful and a good step forward. Myself, i would either like > > A, captchs such as google's previous audio ones which were! doable, or B, a > > text alternative with a symple question that people could answer like the > rpg ones, such as what planet do we live on, which country has Washington as > > it's capital, which country is Paris in, if a person is not a boy they are a > > what? etc. > > If google did! have an accessible alternative as they used to, then we could > > advise developers such as the gm of puppet nightmares that it was > available. > > As regards puppet nightmares, since I have discussed access measures such as > > image labeling with the gm in the past I did mean to contact him myself > regarding the capture, however since I've been stuck with this less than > reliable free net connection I likely couldn't stay connected to the puppet > > nightmares site long enough to send a message (one reason I haven't played > for a while). I will however be heading back to my parents on Wednesday so > could do it then. > > I will suggest for the time being that he do as the gm of the game uncharted > > peak does, and allow vi users to contact him by mail in order to have > accounts created, though of course I will also note that if he did! want to > > put in a text alternative which asked a question based on the info about the > > game on the front page, for example what is the name of the type of > creatures which players control in the game, (the answer being soul > puppets), that would work too. > > I really hope though google can be made to see sense, since it's amazing how > > many people do use their captcha system, which is why it's so bad it not > being accessible. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Shaun and all, OK, we are drifting way off topic. Talking about CAPTCHAs was a gray area in of itself, but I allowed it since it relates to Puppet Nightmares and a few other browser games. However, this business of how people use to be 10, 20, 30 years ago etc is way, way, way off topic. So let's steer things back on topic or close it. Thanks. On 4/10/13, shaun everiss wrote: > tom I couldn't aggree with you more. > I actually grew up in the late 80s and 90s. > it changed around 1995. > It was much simpler before the net sertainly nothing major happened > till after 2000 its probably because things are to easy now that all > this expantion is blowing over. > You are right about it being offtopic though, however since you are > responding to this today I figure I have at least one day of this banter. > anyway, living in a small country I can realise how that growing is going. > my citty is getting bigger and running out of land, a lot of the > quiet country side and villages around here are growing into citties > within themselves. > Its progress ofcause but people are not to happy about it. > loads of protests and such. > some succeed some don't. > But as you say its the way things are. > One day when we can time travel I'd like to go back, to the 30s then > 60s 70s and see how things were more simpler but oh well we have what > we have and I am happy that for at least 20 years it was not all > about tablets and iapads. > kids are being born into computers instead of writing now. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi, Exactly. The personal questions like what is your mother's maiden name, what is your dog's name, etc are perfectly fine when you have an existing account. That type of security question works well for retrieving your password etc. However, it doesn't work for creating a new account for the first time because it doesn't have a clue what your mother's maiden name is or what your dog's name is. :D However, as Dark pointed out there are plenty of general questions that could be asked at random to foil spambots like "who was the first president of the United States" or "what is the largest ocean in the world?" Such questions are general enough that most people past the fifth grade would know them, but unless a spambot has a large database of trivia facts might not be able to guess. So I think there are ways to get the same result without aC CAPTCHA. Still, the CAPTCHA system would be fine if the audio was clear enough to hear. The real complaint with Google and other CAPTCHAs is when you click on the audio link the letters are garbled to the point you can't tell if it said g or d or a or j. Some letters sound so alike in those CAPTCHAs it makes them impossible to use. So rather than trying to get Google etc to use something else I think the first step is just to fix the CAPTCHA system so it works for everyone. Cheers! On 4/10/13, dark wrote: > Hi amanda. > > Tests like asking the mothers maiden name or your first school are all very > > well when you have created an account with someone such as bt or apple and > need to log back in and check that account, but captchas usually refer only > > to when you create an account for the first time, which is why the question > > couldn't be personal. > > There are however still lots of general questions that could be asked though > > for account setup which everyone would know without resorting to those > stupid captchas. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi amanda. Tests like asking the mothers maiden name or your first school are all very well when you have created an account with someone such as bt or apple and need to log back in and check that account, but captchas usually refer only to when you create an account for the first time, which is why the question couldn't be personal. There are however still lots of general questions that could be asked though for account setup which everyone would know without resorting to those stupid captchas. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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tom I couldn't aggree with you more. I actually grew up in the late 80s and 90s. it changed around 1995. It was much simpler before the net sertainly nothing major happened till after 2000 its probably because things are to easy now that all this expantion is blowing over. You are right about it being offtopic though, however since you are responding to this today I figure I have at least one day of this banter. anyway, living in a small country I can realise how that growing is going. my citty is getting bigger and running out of land, a lot of the quiet country side and villages around here are growing into citties within themselves. Its progress ofcause but people are not to happy about it. loads of protests and such. some succeed some don't. But as you say its the way things are. One day when we can time travel I'd like to go back, to the 30s then 60s 70s and see how things were more simpler but oh well we have what we have and I am happy that for at least 20 years it was not all about tablets and iapads. kids are being born into computers instead of writing now. At 04:37 AM 4/10/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, Oh, I agree. Its off topic for this discussion, but you are right. One of the failures of today's society are people are less friendly, less helpful, and people seem to be more out for themselves any more. Even something as simple as reading a CAPTCHA is too much to ask of some people. Cheers! On 4/9/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > That's a failure of today's society. "I'm busy, but if you pay me, I'll > take the time to help you." It didn't used to be that way. Then again, the > > situation could be changed. After all, what is society made up of? > Individuals. When I do need sighted assistance, I don't demand it. I ask > for it. In a situation such as this, I don't expect people to jump up and > immediately help if they are busy. It can wait. I'll sign up for something > > at a time when I can be helped. I'm flexible. > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I aggree my mum has just realised she has to move to a bigger office for the doctor she works at. its probably economics more than anything else but every small company is merging or dieing. Its fine if you want it most do like the upgrade but there are rasons why smaller stuff is good ie being more receptive. We have already seen how the big game companies treat us, we are to small, they are to big. now if both of us were small... At 04:22 AM 4/10/2013, you wrote: That's a failure of today's society. "I'm busy, but if you pay me, I'll take the time to help you." It didn't used to be that way. Then again, the situation could be changed. After all, what is society made up of? Individuals. When I do need sighted assistance, I don't demand it. I ask for it. In a situation such as this, I don't expect people to jump up and immediately help if they are busy. It can wait. I'll sign up for something at a time when I can be helped. I'm flexible. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Dark, Well, I think we should do something about it then. AS you know I am married and I have sighted assistance pretty regularly and can get around Google's CAPTCHA system just because of that fact. So if the group wants to formulate a list of things we would like addressed/fixed I'll write the proposal and send it to Google and see what we can do about it. I'd be happy to send the same proposal to Puppet Nightmares making them aware that there are a number of V.I. players having troubles signing up because of their CAPTCHA system being difficult to understand. As for paying for help I see your point, but I also know that isn't always practical for everyone. That is one of those things that really comes down to someone's personal situation and circumstances. Some people are unusually lucky and live in an apartment building or complex where people are willing to help for free. Although, I've found if I really want someone to help and make it fair to offer them a small sum of cash say $5 to read my screen for a few minutes, or to help me sort some items out etc. People are much more willing to help when they personally get something out of it. So if you ask them to help again they will be more willing because they are getting paid for their assistance than simply being expected to perform on demand when they themselves have other things to do at that particular time. On 4/9/13, dark wrote: Hi Tom. On the issue of firefox, well fair enough, however bare in mind that for someone like myself who lives alone and is also ethical, sighted assistance means physically paying someone as I do my research assistant, which is why I describe it not as a viable option, particularly as lots of organizations like the Rnib hear in the Uk do little to nothing about access "because your carer can do it" As regards google, their old audio captures system worked fine on a set of good speakers or headphones I found, and indeed in discussing capture access to several devs I recommended it as an accessible alternative. However, that is no longer the case, and given that google do! tout this as an accessible alternative something really does need to be done. It is pretty obvious to me that when changing their audio captures, they never actually had anyone test them without reference to the images, since I've never actually managed to get them right, however given how hard google are to get hold of I don't even know how to bring this to their attention since the very captures that are the problem exist on their mail contact form. This is also a stark contrast to the way google used to be. i remember in around 2005 needing to setup a google groups account, and they had no alternative captures at all. I however simply phoned their technical support line (their mail form also had a capture), and someone created me an account with a password I later changed. I was quite impressed at that level of access, sadly that doesn't seem the case anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You c
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i wish there was another captcha program for internet explorer like solona use to do. your friend lee In a message dated 4/9/2013 7:22:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com writes: What I hate is that on the mac, some ppl charge for capcha solving services. I will seriously look into Firefox for the mac Sent from my iPod On 9 Apr 2013, at 06:14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the tip. I knew how CAPTCHA was spelled myself, but I > didn't know what it stood for. All the same if we are going to > communicate with web developers about the problem we should at least > appear we know what we are talking about by spelling the name of the > technology correctly. :D > > > On 4/9/13, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> Just for the record folks, it's written as CAPTCHA, an acronym of the >> word capture which stands for "Completely Automated Public Turing test >> to tell Computers and Humans Apart". Worth keeping in mind when you're >> writing to developers. >> >> Hth someone, somewhere >> >> Scott > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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end lee In a message dated 4/9/2013 7:22:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com writes: What I hate is that on the mac, some ppl charge for capcha solving services. I will seriously look into Firefox for the mac Sent from my iPod On 9 Apr 2013, at 06:14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the tip. I knew how CAPTCHA was spelled myself, but I > didn't know what it stood for. All the same if we are going to > communicate with web developers about the problem we should at least > appear we know what we are talking about by spelling the name of the > technology correctly. :D > > > On 4/9/13, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> Just for the record folks, it's written as CAPTCHA, an acronym of the >> word capture which stands for "Completely Automated Public Turing test >> to tell Computers and Humans Apart". Worth keeping in mind when you're >> writing to developers. >> >> Hth someone, somewhere >> >> Scott > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
i wish there was a captcha program for internet explorer like solona use to do. your friend lee In a message dated 4/9/2013 7:22:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com writes: What I hate is that on the mac, some ppl charge for capcha solving services. I will seriously look into Firefox for the mac Sent from my iPod On 9 Apr 2013, at 06:14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the tip. I knew how CAPTCHA was spelled myself, but I > didn't know what it stood for. All the same if we are going to > communicate with web developers about the problem we should at least > appear we know what we are talking about by spelling the name of the > technology correctly. :D > > > On 4/9/13, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> Just for the record folks, it's written as CAPTCHA, an acronym of the >> word capture which stands for "Completely Automated Public Turing test >> to tell Computers and Humans Apart". Worth keeping in mind when you're >> writing to developers. >> >> Hth someone, somewhere >> >> Scott > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That's probably why back in 2000 when Nintendo remade the NES classic Crystalis for the Game Boy Color they dumbed down the story until it was unrecognizeable and totally redoing the music to the point where you felt nothing but scorn. It was more about money rather than doing justice to what was a favorite game for a lot of people back in the NES days. And Crystalis is a game that might be cool in audio, although granted it would probably be quite difficult to port. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 10:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Charles, Oh, I agree. Its off topic for this discussion, but you are right. One of the failures of today's society are people are less friendly, less helpful, and people seem to be more out for themselves any more. Even something as simple as reading a CAPTCHA is too much to ask of some people. Cheers! On 4/9/13, Charles Rivard wrote: That's a failure of today's society. "I'm busy, but if you pay me, I'll take the time to help you." It didn't used to be that way. Then again, the situation could be changed. After all, what is society made up of? Individuals. When I do need sighted assistance, I don't demand it. I ask for it. In a situation such as this, I don't expect people to jump up and immediately help if they are busy. It can wait. I'll sign up for something at a time when I can be helped. I'm flexible. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Oh, I agree. Its off topic for this discussion, but you are right. One of the failures of today's society are people are less friendly, less helpful, and people seem to be more out for themselves any more. Even something as simple as reading a CAPTCHA is too much to ask of some people. Cheers! On 4/9/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > That's a failure of today's society. "I'm busy, but if you pay me, I'll > take the time to help you." It didn't used to be that way. Then again, the > > situation could be changed. After all, what is society made up of? > Individuals. When I do need sighted assistance, I don't demand it. I ask > for it. In a situation such as this, I don't expect people to jump up and > immediately help if they are busy. It can wait. I'll sign up for something > > at a time when I can be helped. I'm flexible. > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
That's a failure of today's society. "I'm busy, but if you pay me, I'll take the time to help you." It didn't used to be that way. Then again, the situation could be changed. After all, what is society made up of? Individuals. When I do need sighted assistance, I don't demand it. I ask for it. In a situation such as this, I don't expect people to jump up and immediately help if they are busy. It can wait. I'll sign up for something at a time when I can be helped. I'm flexible. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Dark, Well, I think we should do something about it then. AS you know I am married and I have sighted assistance pretty regularly and can get around Google's CAPTCHA system just because of that fact. So if the group wants to formulate a list of things we would like addressed/fixed I'll write the proposal and send it to Google and see what we can do about it. I'd be happy to send the same proposal to Puppet Nightmares making them aware that there are a number of V.I. players having troubles signing up because of their CAPTCHA system being difficult to understand. As for paying for help I see your point, but I also know that isn't always practical for everyone. That is one of those things that really comes down to someone's personal situation and circumstances. Some people are unusually lucky and live in an apartment building or complex where people are willing to help for free. Although, I've found if I really want someone to help and make it fair to offer them a small sum of cash say $5 to read my screen for a few minutes, or to help me sort some items out etc. People are much more willing to help when they personally get something out of it. So if you ask them to help again they will be more willing because they are getting paid for their assistance than simply being expected to perform on demand when they themselves have other things to do at that particular time. On 4/9/13, dark wrote: Hi Tom. On the issue of firefox, well fair enough, however bare in mind that for someone like myself who lives alone and is also ethical, sighted assistance means physically paying someone as I do my research assistant, which is why I describe it not as a viable option, particularly as lots of organizations like the Rnib hear in the Uk do little to nothing about access "because your carer can do it" As regards google, their old audio captures system worked fine on a set of good speakers or headphones I found, and indeed in discussing capture access to several devs I recommended it as an accessible alternative. However, that is no longer the case, and given that google do! tout this as an accessible alternative something really does need to be done. It is pretty obvious to me that when changing their audio captures, they never actually had anyone test them without reference to the images, since I've never actually managed to get them right, however given how hard google are to get hold of I don't even know how to bring this to their attention since the very captures that are the problem exist on their mail contact form. This is also a stark contrast to the way google used to be. i remember in around 2005 needing to setup a google groups account, and they had no alternative captures at all. I however simply phoned their technical support line (their mail form also had a capture), and someone created me an account with a password I later changed. I was quite impressed at that level of access, sadly that doesn't seem the case anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I remember on the BT site and for anyone who doesn't know what that it's British Telecom and what they did was to ask a question that only I would know the question they asked was: what was my mums madon name. Of course, my family would know that answer but not many other people would. I can't see why Google or other companies can't do that. Amanda -- From: "Thomas Ward" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:06 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Amanda, Yeah, I think we are all in agreement captchas are from an accessibility standpoint more trouble than they are worth. There are other more accessible options available to a web developer, but the reality is we need to find a way to deal with them because I doubt they are going away any time soon. :D On 4/8/13, Amanda Burt wrote: I agree, there's no need for captures. Amanda --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- From: "Thomas Ward" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:06 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Amanda, Yeah, I think we are all in agreement captchas are from an accessibility standpoint more trouble than they are worth. There are other more accessible options available to a web developer, but the reality is we need to find a way to deal with them because I doubt they are going away any time soon. :D On 4/8/13, Amanda Burt wrote: I agree, there's no need for captures. Amanda --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. ] The question of assistance is really another matter (besides I do address it in my thesis), and should likely be kept off list as it's not exactly game related and would require a more lengthy conversation than is possible I think, (heck, I devoted about 5000 words of my thesis to it). Getting back to captchas though, I agree if you can contact google that would really be helpful and a good step forward. Myself, i would either like A, captchs such as google's previous audio ones which were! doable, or B, a text alternative with a symple question that people could answer like the rpg ones, such as what planet do we live on, which country has Washington as it's capital, which country is Paris in, if a person is not a boy they are a what? etc. If google did! have an accessible alternative as they used to, then we could advise developers such as the gm of puppet nightmares that it was available. As regards puppet nightmares, since I have discussed access measures such as image labeling with the gm in the past I did mean to contact him myself regarding the capture, however since I've been stuck with this less than reliable free net connection I likely couldn't stay connected to the puppet nightmares site long enough to send a message (one reason I haven't played for a while). I will however be heading back to my parents on Wednesday so could do it then. I will suggest for the time being that he do as the gm of the game uncharted peak does, and allow vi users to contact him by mail in order to have accounts created, though of course I will also note that if he did! want to put in a text alternative which asked a question based on the info about the game on the front page, for example what is the name of the type of creatures which players control in the game, (the answer being soul puppets), that would work too. I really hope though google can be made to see sense, since it's amazing how many people do use their captcha system, which is why it's so bad it not being accessible. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Well, I think we should do something about it then. AS you know I am married and I have sighted assistance pretty regularly and can get around Google's CAPTCHA system just because of that fact. So if the group wants to formulate a list of things we would like addressed/fixed I'll write the proposal and send it to Google and see what we can do about it. I'd be happy to send the same proposal to Puppet Nightmares making them aware that there are a number of V.I. players having troubles signing up because of their CAPTCHA system being difficult to understand. As for paying for help I see your point, but I also know that isn't always practical for everyone. That is one of those things that really comes down to someone's personal situation and circumstances. Some people are unusually lucky and live in an apartment building or complex where people are willing to help for free. Although, I've found if I really want someone to help and make it fair to offer them a small sum of cash say $5 to read my screen for a few minutes, or to help me sort some items out etc. People are much more willing to help when they personally get something out of it. So if you ask them to help again they will be more willing because they are getting paid for their assistance than simply being expected to perform on demand when they themselves have other things to do at that particular time. On 4/9/13, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > On the issue of firefox, well fair enough, however bare in mind that for > someone like myself who lives alone and is also ethical, sighted assistance > > means physically paying someone as I do my research assistant, which is why > > I describe it not as a viable option, particularly as lots of organizations > > like the Rnib hear in the Uk do little to nothing about access "because your > > carer can do it" > > As regards google, their old audio captures system worked fine on a set of > good speakers or headphones I found, and indeed in discussing capture access > > to several devs I recommended it as an accessible alternative. > > However, that is no longer the case, and given that google do! tout this as > > an accessible alternative something really does need to be done. It is > pretty obvious to me that when changing their audio captures, they never > actually had anyone test them without reference to the images, since I've > never actually managed to get them right, however given how hard google are > > to get hold of I don't even know how to bring this to their attention since > > the very captures that are the problem exist on their mail contact form. > > This is also a stark contrast to the way google used to be. i remember in > around 2005 needing to setup a google groups account, and they had no > alternative captures at all. I however simply phoned their technical support > > line (their mail form also had a capture), and someone created me an account > > with a password I later changed. I was quite impressed at that level of > access, sadly that doesn't seem the case anymore. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What I hate is that on the mac, some ppl charge for capcha solving services. I will seriously look into Firefox for the mac Sent from my iPod On 9 Apr 2013, at 06:14, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the tip. I knew how CAPTCHA was spelled myself, but I > didn't know what it stood for. All the same if we are going to > communicate with web developers about the problem we should at least > appear we know what we are talking about by spelling the name of the > technology correctly. :D > > > On 4/9/13, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> Just for the record folks, it's written as CAPTCHA, an acronym of the >> word capture which stands for "Completely Automated Public Turing test >> to tell Computers and Humans Apart". Worth keeping in mind when you're >> writing to developers. >> >> Hth someone, somewhere >> >> Scott > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Scott, Thanks for the tip. I knew how CAPTCHA was spelled myself, but I didn't know what it stood for. All the same if we are going to communicate with web developers about the problem we should at least appear we know what we are talking about by spelling the name of the technology correctly. :D On 4/9/13, Scott Chesworth wrote: > Just for the record folks, it's written as CAPTCHA, an acronym of the > word capture which stands for "Completely Automated Public Turing test > to tell Computers and Humans Apart". Worth keeping in mind when you're > writing to developers. > > Hth someone, somewhere > > Scott > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Amanda, Yeah, I think we are all in agreement captchas are from an accessibility standpoint more trouble than they are worth. There are other more accessible options available to a web developer, but the reality is we need to find a way to deal with them because I doubt they are going away any time soon. :D On 4/8/13, Amanda Burt wrote: > I agree, there's no need for captures. > > Amanda --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Or you could have a neighbor like the one I used to have, who suffered from dementia of some kind and as a result regularly confused my apartment with hers and would therefore show up to bang on my door at some ungodly hours of the day or night. So not a good option for Captcha solving. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:34 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? that is also true steven. Up until 18 months ago, my nearest neighbor was attempting to have the counsel throw me out of my flat for the malicious and vicious crime of walking! around the floor, (oh the horror). Luckily the lady who is downstairs now is much nicer, but still. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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that is also true steven. Up until 18 months ago, my nearest neighbor was attempting to have the counsel throw me out of my flat for the malicious and vicious crime of walking! around the floor, (oh the horror). Luckily the lady who is downstairs now is much nicer, but still. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What if the neighbour is away or what if you don't have any neighbours? At 03:46 PM 4/9/2013, you wrote: Keep in mind that sighted assistance could be a neighbor. It would only take a minute or so. Why pay someone? Also, the problem causers are not captures. I think, although I could be mistaken, that they are capshas. Captures are what you do on a chess board. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Tom. On the issue of firefox, well fair enough, however bare in mind that for someone like myself who lives alone and is also ethical, sighted assistance means physically paying someone as I do my research assistant, which is why I describe it not as a viable option, particularly as lots of organizations like the Rnib hear in the Uk do little to nothing about access "because your carer can do it" As regards google, their old audio captures system worked fine on a set of good speakers or headphones I found, and indeed in discussing capture access to several devs I recommended it as an accessible alternative. However, that is no longer the case, and given that google do! tout this as an accessible alternative something really does need to be done. It is pretty obvious to me that when changing their audio captures, they never actually had anyone test them without reference to the images, since I've never actually managed to get them right, however given how hard google are to get hold of I don't even know how to bring this to their attention since the very captures that are the problem exist on their mail contact form. This is also a stark contrast to the way google used to be. i remember in around 2005 needing to setup a google groups account, and they had no alternative captures at all. I however simply phoned their technical support line (their mail form also had a capture), and someone created me an account with a password I later changed. I was quite impressed at that level of access, sadly that doesn't seem the case anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Just for the record folks, it's written as CAPTCHA, an acronym of the word capture which stands for "Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart". Worth keeping in mind when you're writing to developers. Hth someone, somewhere Scott On 4/9/13, Charles Rivard wrote: > Keep in mind that sighted assistance could be a neighbor. It would only > take a minute or so. Why pay someone? > > Also, the problem causers are not captures. I think, although I could be > mistaken, that they are capshas. Captures are what you do on a chess board. > > (grin) > > --- > Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. > - Original Message - > From: "dark" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? > > >> Hi Tom. >> >> On the issue of firefox, well fair enough, however bare in mind that for >> someone like myself who lives alone and is also ethical, sighted >> assistance means physically paying someone as I do my research assistant, >> >> which is why I describe it not as a viable option, particularly as lots of >> >> organizations like the Rnib hear in the Uk do little to nothing about >> access "because your carer can do it" >> >> As regards google, their old audio captures system worked fine on a set of >> >> good speakers or headphones I found, and indeed in discussing capture >> access to several devs I recommended it as an accessible alternative. >> >> However, that is no longer the case, and given that google do! tout this >> as an accessible alternative something really does need to be done. It is >> >> pretty obvious to me that when changing their audio captures, they never >> actually had anyone test them without reference to the images, since I've >> >> never actually managed to get them right, however given how hard google >> are to get hold of I don't even know how to bring this to their attention >> >> since the very captures that are the problem exist on their mail contact >> >> form. >> >> This is also a stark contrast to the way google used to be. i remember in >> >> around 2005 needing to setup a google groups account, and they had no >> alternative captures at all. I however simply phoned their technical >> support line (their mail form also had a capture), and someone created me >> >> an account with a password I later changed. I was quite impressed at that >> >> level of access, sadly that doesn't seem the case anymore. >> >> Beware the Grue! >> >> Dark. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi charlese. I pay someone since it is not reasonable to ask people, especially with how often capchas or however the hell it's supposed to be spelt show up, to go downstairs and bug my neighbor would just be unfair. I actually did this when I got my friend (who works as my research assistant), to read me dvds so that I could lable them with my penfriend. She offered to do it for free but I insisted upon paying since then I could ask her again without feeling a major sense of guilt, and indeed I have. While I totally agree sighted assistance is necessary for various things, that doesn't make it a right either, especially when the government pays disability living allowance just for this purpose. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Keep in mind that sighted assistance could be a neighbor. It would only take a minute or so. Why pay someone? Also, the problem causers are not captures. I think, although I could be mistaken, that they are capshas. Captures are what you do on a chess board. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Tom. On the issue of firefox, well fair enough, however bare in mind that for someone like myself who lives alone and is also ethical, sighted assistance means physically paying someone as I do my research assistant, which is why I describe it not as a viable option, particularly as lots of organizations like the Rnib hear in the Uk do little to nothing about access "because your carer can do it" As regards google, their old audio captures system worked fine on a set of good speakers or headphones I found, and indeed in discussing capture access to several devs I recommended it as an accessible alternative. However, that is no longer the case, and given that google do! tout this as an accessible alternative something really does need to be done. It is pretty obvious to me that when changing their audio captures, they never actually had anyone test them without reference to the images, since I've never actually managed to get them right, however given how hard google are to get hold of I don't even know how to bring this to their attention since the very captures that are the problem exist on their mail contact form. This is also a stark contrast to the way google used to be. i remember in around 2005 needing to setup a google groups account, and they had no alternative captures at all. I however simply phoned their technical support line (their mail form also had a capture), and someone created me an account with a password I later changed. I was quite impressed at that level of access, sadly that doesn't seem the case anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Tom. On the issue of firefox, well fair enough, however bare in mind that for someone like myself who lives alone and is also ethical, sighted assistance means physically paying someone as I do my research assistant, which is why I describe it not as a viable option, particularly as lots of organizations like the Rnib hear in the Uk do little to nothing about access "because your carer can do it" As regards google, their old audio captures system worked fine on a set of good speakers or headphones I found, and indeed in discussing capture access to several devs I recommended it as an accessible alternative. However, that is no longer the case, and given that google do! tout this as an accessible alternative something really does need to be done. It is pretty obvious to me that when changing their audio captures, they never actually had anyone test them without reference to the images, since I've never actually managed to get them right, however given how hard google are to get hold of I don't even know how to bring this to their attention since the very captures that are the problem exist on their mail contact form. This is also a stark contrast to the way google used to be. i remember in around 2005 needing to setup a google groups account, and they had no alternative captures at all. I however simply phoned their technical support line (their mail form also had a capture), and someone created me an account with a password I later changed. I was quite impressed at that level of access, sadly that doesn't seem the case anymore. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
I agree, there's no need for captures. Amanda -- From: "dark" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:13 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi charles. Speaking as someone who regularly gives spambots the heave ho on a forum without! captures, i can say they aren't necessary if the moderators are doing their jobs, since the best way of getting rid of spambots is just give them the boot when they turn up, and while they do turn up fairly regularly it's certainly not more than any reasonable person can handle. then of course there are the logical alternative methods to captures. I've seen several systems which ask you an obvious question from some info on the website, for example in Kingdom of loating for the forums your asked questions about the game's character classes, while for another forum I joined for an rpg you were asked the name of the land the game took place in. So, even if people do! want an automatic way to stop spambots, there's no reason it has to be these stupid bloody captures that are inconvenient for most people and actually inaccessible in audio form. Btw, I used to actually be an advocate of audio captures, since google's old ones were quite usable, --- sadly not anymore! Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Dark, Well, I never said that sighted assistance is always available, not even for me, but I wanted to make the point that sometimes its the only solution to a problem like solving a captcha where Webvisum fails to work and the audio captcha is inaudible. As far as Firefox goes we will just have to agree to disagree on that subject. As I said before I don't know why it crashes and runs so poorly on your machine, but it is not been my experience. I have Firefox 19 running on three different computers, one of them Linux, and the other two running Windows 7 and it rarely crashes if ever. So the stability issues sounds to me to be something local to your computer or OS. In either case your experience isn't the norm for most people otherwise Firefox wouldn't be consistently rated the number one web browser world wide. Regarding Google I don't know if they test their audio captchas or not. However, its obvious they haven't tried to many of them because it is nearly impossible to hear what it is saying even for people with perfect hearing. I unfortunately have some minor hearing loss and it sounds really garbled to me, and despite trying to complain Google does nothing about it. So I do agree they need to be taken to task over their captcha accessibility. Especially, since many websites and games are now using Google as the standard for captcha technology. On 4/8/13, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > Sighted assistance isn't always available, indeed I'd have to pay someone > for that sort of thing myself. > > Firefox as I said I just don't wrate at all since it just seems unstable and > > badly designed to me given how much it crashes. > > I've tried the solona website which was supposed to have people solve > captures by sending a screen shot, but whenever I sent one the person on the > > other end of the site sent a message back saying there was no capture on the > > screen and even threatened to ban my account, so that seemed no good. > > Really I hold google to blaime very much for captures, since up until > recently their sound captures were quite a good accessible alternative, and > > one which lots of devs used or which a dev who had an inaccessible capture > could be pointed to, but it's pretty clear from the way their desitned that > > nobody actually ever tried! to solve the captures just with the audio, > making them basically a tocan gesture, which in a way is worse than no > access at all since now lots of devs employ them thinking they've got an > accessible alternative, when they haven't. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
FYI: They are captchas, not captures. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi charles. Speaking as someone who regularly gives spambots the heave ho on a forum without! captures, i can say they aren't necessary if the moderators are doing their jobs, since the best way of getting rid of spambots is just give them the boot when they turn up, and while they do turn up fairly regularly it's certainly not more than any reasonable person can handle. then of course there are the logical alternative methods to captures. I've seen several systems which ask you an obvious question from some info on the website, for example in Kingdom of loating for the forums your asked questions about the game's character classes, while for another forum I joined for an rpg you were asked the name of the land the game took place in. So, even if people do! want an automatic way to stop spambots, there's no reason it has to be these stupid bloody captures that are inconvenient for most people and actually inaccessible in audio form. Btw, I used to actually be an advocate of audio captures, since google's old ones were quite usable, --- sadly not anymore! Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi charles. Speaking as someone who regularly gives spambots the heave ho on a forum without! captures, i can say they aren't necessary if the moderators are doing their jobs, since the best way of getting rid of spambots is just give them the boot when they turn up, and while they do turn up fairly regularly it's certainly not more than any reasonable person can handle. then of course there are the logical alternative methods to captures. I've seen several systems which ask you an obvious question from some info on the website, for example in Kingdom of loating for the forums your asked questions about the game's character classes, while for another forum I joined for an rpg you were asked the name of the land the game took place in. So, even if people do! want an automatic way to stop spambots, there's no reason it has to be these stupid bloody captures that are inconvenient for most people and actually inaccessible in audio form. Btw, I used to actually be an advocate of audio captures, since google's old ones were quite usable, --- sadly not anymore! Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Purely out of frustrationk I gotta scream! There's gotta be a better method than these darned captchas! Most of the audio clips are darned near impossible to hear because of faint and or garbled recordings, and I've heard that a lot of them are written on a monitor in such a way as to be hard to read for sighted people, too. To me, they are an unnecessary hindrance and a senseless bother. I know the reason for their creation, but I do not find it necessary to make them difficult or impossible for human usage. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:28 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games? Hi Anouk, Well, granted Firefox isn't accessible on every platform, and that is a bit problematic. As far as I know access to Firefox is currently supported on Windows, Linux, Android, and a few other Unix clones running the Gnome desktop and Orca screen reader. I've only tried Webvisum on Windows and Linux with Firefox, and it does pretty well in those environments, but if you are running Mac OS or iOS then you will have to locate an alternative for solving captchas. I know there is suppose to be a couple of websites you can use to solve captchas, but don't really know anything about them since Webvisum is the only tool I generally need. In this case I just tried Webvisum with Puppet Nightmares and it seemed to work fine. That's good news for Windows and Linux users who want to play the game, but bad news for those Apple device users. So in the end getting some sighted assistance may be your best bet. Cheers! On 4/8/13, anouk radix wrote: Hi Thomas, the thing is that firefox is not available (as an accessible product) on all platforms. For e.g. ios and mac os x in general. I know there is ios for android and linux that is accessible but wonder if the plugin will work there? Greetings, Anouk, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Tom. Sighted assistance isn't always available, indeed I'd have to pay someone for that sort of thing myself. Firefox as I said I just don't wrate at all since it just seems unstable and badly designed to me given how much it crashes. I've tried the solona website which was supposed to have people solve captures by sending a screen shot, but whenever I sent one the person on the other end of the site sent a message back saying there was no capture on the screen and even threatened to ban my account, so that seemed no good. Really I hold google to blaime very much for captures, since up until recently their sound captures were quite a good accessible alternative, and one which lots of devs used or which a dev who had an inaccessible capture could be pointed to, but it's pretty clear from the way their desitned that nobody actually ever tried! to solve the captures just with the audio, making them basically a tocan gesture, which in a way is worse than no access at all since now lots of devs employ them thinking they've got an accessible alternative, when they haven't. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Solving Captchas was Anymore RPG Games?
Hi Anouk, Well, granted Firefox isn't accessible on every platform, and that is a bit problematic. As far as I know access to Firefox is currently supported on Windows, Linux, Android, and a few other Unix clones running the Gnome desktop and Orca screen reader. I've only tried Webvisum on Windows and Linux with Firefox, and it does pretty well in those environments, but if you are running Mac OS or iOS then you will have to locate an alternative for solving captchas. I know there is suppose to be a couple of websites you can use to solve captchas, but don't really know anything about them since Webvisum is the only tool I generally need. In this case I just tried Webvisum with Puppet Nightmares and it seemed to work fine. That's good news for Windows and Linux users who want to play the game, but bad news for those Apple device users. So in the end getting some sighted assistance may be your best bet. Cheers! On 4/8/13, anouk radix wrote: > Hi Thomas, the thing is that firefox is not available (as an accessible > product) on all platforms. For e.g. ios and mac os x in general. I know > there is ios for android and linux that is accessible but wonder if the > plugin will work there? > Greetings, Anouk, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
