Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi. The major problem I have with windows vista is that it's slow. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people Hi Shaun, All of the Vista specific features can be turned off. The new start menu, 3d desktop, new animated icons, user account control, etc can be turned off in Vista. However, I usually leave most of it turned on because it does not effect accessability, and I can relate to sighted people who are using vista. Not only that many of the new features such as user account control are new security features, and by disabling it you are putting your system at risk from all kinds of milicious software applications. The problem with most blind computer users is they aren't willing to change and learn how to do new things. they would rather install the new OS, and turn it back into the same thing they already have. Well, I am of the opinion if you want to turn the new start menu, user account control, etc off then there is no reason to update to Vista. If it is XP you want then keep XP. As for Windows 7 not much is known about it yet, but I have heard it is basically going to be a version of Vista with a biggger driver database, all Vista patches included, Internet Explorer 8, .Net Framework 3.5, and a few odds and ends tossed in for a new look and feel. Basically, an upgraded Vista. shaun everiss wrote: hmm maybe you could do a vista guide or something tom, unless mike has vista. At any rate you can have the old style menus I think in vista which even though its backward in productivity is what I will do if and when I get vista, same goes for security, even if I have to get some weird alegal crap to do it. Call me a stand still old timer but I just can't see why I should bother with all this new stuff if I am already getting buy now. As it is if for whatever reason both these laptops here break I will probably go desktop, unless win7 is any better that is. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi Thomas and all. I too would be very interested in this if you do find time to do it. I have some experience with linux in terms of using the internet via shell which I used to do all the time and still like to do when I can, but have little experience with the other stuff you mention. I know there is oodles of info out there on linux however I quite frankly do not have the time or energy to wade through it in order to just have an accessible way to get it installed let alone anything else. Good luck with this project. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people Hi Michael, Oh, I see. I wasn't aware this was the final draft. In any case it is great starter for the Windows XP user. great work. As far as continuing the kind of work you have started I have been thinking of doing something similar for Linux. I've been wanting to write up a authoritative guide for new Linux users that explains such things is how to use the Orca screen reader, the Gnome desktop, browsing the internet, using email, how to play dvd movies, get podcasts, record and edit sounds, etc all in Linux. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi Shaun, All of the Vista specific features can be turned off. The new start menu, 3d desktop, new animated icons, user account control, etc can be turned off in Vista. However, I usually leave most of it turned on because it does not effect accessability, and I can relate to sighted people who are using vista. Not only that many of the new features such as user account control are new security features, and by disabling it you are putting your system at risk from all kinds of milicious software applications. The problem with most blind computer users is they aren't willing to change and learn how to do new things. they would rather install the new OS, and turn it back into the same thing they already have. Well, I am of the opinion if you want to turn the new start menu, user account control, etc off then there is no reason to update to Vista. If it is XP you want then keep XP. As for Windows 7 not much is known about it yet, but I have heard it is basically going to be a version of Vista with a biggger driver database, all Vista patches included, Internet Explorer 8, .Net Framework 3.5, and a few odds and ends tossed in for a new look and feel. Basically, an upgraded Vista. shaun everiss wrote: hmm maybe you could do a vista guide or something tom, unless mike has vista. At any rate you can have the old style menus I think in vista which even though its backward in productivity is what I will do if and when I get vista, same goes for security, even if I have to get some weird alegal crap to do it. Call me a stand still old timer but I just can't see why I should bother with all this new stuff if I am already getting buy now. As it is if for whatever reason both these laptops here break I will probably go desktop, unless win7 is any better that is. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
The address you gave www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power took me to a page with an error message reading as follows HTTP 403 (Forbidden) You are not authorized to view this page You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied. If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the Web site by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the www.blind-planet.com home page. You can click search.gif (114 bytes) Search to look for information on the Internet. HTTP Error 403 - Forbidden Internet Explorer --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
hi Shaun, As I said in my last post all of the new Vista specific features can be turned off. You can turn Vista into a glorified version of XP. However, my advice is don't upgrade. If you are going to turn all of the Vista specific stuff off then there is absolutely no reason at all to upgrade. Vista has nothing to offer except the new features and better security. if you turn off the new security and ffeatures then it is just Windows XP with a new name. my question is why would you want to turn off all the new features? That is a waiste of money to upgrade to an new OS and turn off security, the new desktop, bla, bla, bla and treat it just like XP. Vista will let you do that, but then the money you just spent for those features just got turned off. shaun everiss wrote: I aggree with you michael. At any rate if at all possible I will be making vista as much xp like if I ever upgrade to that, or maybe win7? And if I can't make it legally like xp then I'll just have to go alegal and make it like xp. So I hope my laptops do not die for ages. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi Shaun, One of the major problems Linux has is getting everything properly documented. Most of the documentation is written by volunteers who try to document the programs the best they can. As a result you get some documentation that is professional quality, and you end up with a certain amount that isn't very good at all. When it comes to accessibility many of the documents are written by sighted Linux users that don't really understand accessibility the same way we do. It would be nice for a blind Linux user, such as myself, to write up a complete guide covering everything from screen readers, to dvd players, to zip tools, podcasting software, etc. That way the transition from Windows to Linux won't be so hard. Everything they need to know will be in one place instead all over the internet. Smiles. shaun everiss wrote: well tom a linux guide would be good, so would a vista guide. I mean I have read manuals and other opinionated junk from place to place but I never have got really into it all that much. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi all! I don't know if some messages of this thread are not off-topic, but according to the subject and Thomas's messages this thread seems to be definitively off-topic, and off-topic discussion is against the list guidelines. Sorry if I'm too strict or something, I am just new on this list. Kind regards Tuukka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmm Yeah. I feel sorry for those that are forced into it though tom. now xp is or rather by end of this month will not be sold even on laptops we will be forced to upgrade the os, Unless we get it of ebay, and evn then when that dries up. Laptops will not have all the stuff. Which is why I pushed to upgrade before the end of the month and got it. At 02:45 a.m. 22/06/2008, you wrote: hi Shaun, As I said in my last post all of the new Vista specific features can be turned off. You can turn Vista into a glorified version of XP. However, my advice is don't upgrade. If you are going to turn all of the Vista specific stuff off then there is absolutely no reason at all to upgrade. Vista has nothing to offer except the new features and better security. if you turn off the new security and ffeatures then it is just Windows XP with a new name. my question is why would you want to turn off all the new features? That is a waiste of money to upgrade to an new OS and turn off security, the new desktop, bla, bla, bla and treat it just like XP. Vista will let you do that, but then the money you just spent for those features just got turned off. shaun everiss wrote: I aggree with you michael. At any rate if at all possible I will be making vista as much xp like if I ever upgrade to that, or maybe win7? And if I can't make it legally like xp then I'll just have to go alegal and make it like xp. So I hope my laptops do not die for ages. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
yeah I recon tom. When I did my course in linux I learned the command line, but spent 7 weeks doodling wat at software only to ind a few months after the course that grml was more accessible. And last year that ubuntu was even better. Grrr. So I know sort of what I am doing but not really I spent half the time trying to get things to work and half the time smashing the synth on the desk to get it to speak. At 02:57 a.m. 22/06/2008, you wrote: Hi Shaun, One of the major problems Linux has is getting everything properly documented. Most of the documentation is written by volunteers who try to document the programs the best they can. As a result you get some documentation that is professional quality, and you end up with a certain amount that isn't very good at all. When it comes to accessibility many of the documents are written by sighted Linux users that don't really understand accessibility the same way we do. It would be nice for a blind Linux user, such as myself, to write up a complete guide covering everything from screen readers, to dvd players, to zip tools, podcasting software, etc. That way the transition from Windows to Linux won't be so hard. Everything they need to know will be in one place instead all over the internet. Smiles. shaun everiss wrote: well tom a linux guide would be good, so would a vista guide. I mean I have read manuals and other opinionated junk from place to place but I never have got really into it all that much. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi Shaun, Yes, Ubuntu is light years better than grml. It has been rated Linux users choice of the year twice in a row by PC Magazine and Linux World. it also happens to have the greatest accessibility features out of the box. Including an all new talking installation which rocks. Anyway, I hate to do this, but I have to be moderator here and ask that we close this topic. it is really getting off topic, and I need to follow the list guide lines the same as the rest of us on the list. Thanks. shaun everiss wrote: yeah I recon tom. When I did my course in linux I learned the command line, but spent 7 weeks doodling wat at software only to ind a few months after the course that grml was more accessible. And last year that ubuntu was even better. Grrr. So I know sort of what I am doing but not really I spent half the time trying to get things to work and half the time smashing the synth on the desk to get it to speak. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Sounds great! I have a few friends I know will benifit with this. I know you put a lot of time and effort into the project. - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:42 AM Subject: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June, 2008 Michael Feir creates a free computer guide for blind people with a unique style and focus. He wants more to start using computers and the Internet for personal pursuits. Many blind people have the mistaken impression that computers are strictly tools for work and education only. They needlessly miss out on opportunities for pleasure and personal growth which have made a profound difference in his life. After encountering countless blind people with expensive machines who only used them for basic reading and writing tasks, the creator of Audyssey Magazine began work on Personal Power. This free guide is the culmination of a two-year quest to rectify this situation. Written as more of a traveller's gazette than a manual, Personal Power offers a fun and easy entrance into digital life beyond education and work. Housed in a rich text file which can be opened on practically any modern computer, Personal Power makes for a small but informative portable partner in fun time. From the very basics of using Windows, Personal Power takes blind owners of accessible computers beyond their hard drives onto the information superhighway. Topics as diverse as online shopping, accessible computer games, computer defence and maintenance, blog's, email, instant messengers, and much more are discussed. Comprising a total of around fifty thousand words, the guide strikes a balance of providing enough information to inspire the confidence to explore further without overloading newcomers to digital life with excessive techno speak. The focus is on making people aware of the many possibilities for leisure and personal growth through sharing many of my own experiences. Why not get your digital feet wet? Go to: www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power and pick up your free copy of Personal Power and the three fireside chat lectures today. Become alive in the digital world. Use your personal power! Contact: Michael Feir, author Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.blindspots.net/blog.php?user=13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi Michael, I've just read through the first section of the guide and so far pretty good. However, I do have one suggestion. At some point you might want to update your guide for new Windows vista users. One thing I noticed is your description of the start menu was the Windows XP start menu, which is fine, but you might want to be aware of the fact the Vista start menu is quite a bit different in nature. The Vista startmenu requires you to tab around to different elements on the screen such as a search bar, the programs button, and a list view with such things as the users home directory, documents directory, music directory, control pannel, etc. Like i said it has a unique feel compared to Windows XP and earlier. You might want to make a note of this in your guide so new vista users don't get confused by your guide that assumes you are running XP and not a new system pre-loaded with Vista. In fact, last year when I first got Vista I found the new start menu slightly confusing and disorienting as I was expecting something along the lines of XP. I was wrong, and it requires some exploration or some additional explanation to get a new user use to the way Vista does things compared to XP and earlier. Also you might want to be aware of the fact some things have changed names under Vista. What was known as outlook Express under XP is called Windows Mail 7 in Vista. My Computer, My Documents, My Music, are simply called Computer, Documents, Music, etc under Vista. Just thought you might want to be aware of the fact Vista is slightly different than you are use to. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
Hi Tom. I don't plan on updating my guide at all. I've done the best I could with what I have access to. I unfortunately haven't gotten my hands on Vista yet and wouldn't presume to try to advise people on an operating system I don't know well. Perhaps, my project will spur others to start something which will be kept more up to date. I've certainly noted in my guide that Vista had its differences. That'll just have to do. The guide's a done deal now thank goodness. I can relax and unwind a bit now before plunging into my next project. Glad you've liked it so far. Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.blindspots.net/blog.php?user=13 - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people Hi Michael, I've just read through the first section of the guide and so far pretty good. However, I do have one suggestion. At some point you might want to update your guide for new Windows vista users. One thing I noticed is your description of the start menu was the Windows XP start menu, which is fine, but you might want to be aware of the fact the Vista start menu is quite a bit different in nature. The Vista startmenu requires you to tab around to different elements on the screen such as a search bar, the programs button, and a list view with such things as the users home directory, documents directory, music directory, control pannel, etc. Like i said it has a unique feel compared to Windows XP and earlier. You might want to make a note of this in your guide so new vista users don't get confused by your guide that assumes you are running XP and not a new system pre-loaded with Vista. In fact, last year when I first got Vista I found the new start menu slightly confusing and disorienting as I was expecting something along the lines of XP. I was wrong, and it requires some exploration or some additional explanation to get a new user use to the way Vista does things compared to XP and earlier. Also you might want to be aware of the fact some things have changed names under Vista. What was known as outlook Express under XP is called Windows Mail 7 in Vista. My Computer, My Documents, My Music, are simply called Computer, Documents, Music, etc under Vista. Just thought you might want to be aware of the fact Vista is slightly different than you are use to. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Michael, Oh, I see. I wasn't aware this was the final draft. In any case it is great starter for the Windows XP user. great work. As far as continuing the kind of work you have started I have been thinking of doing something similar for Linux. I've been wanting to write up a authoritative guide for new Linux users that explains such things is how to use the Orca screen reader, the Gnome desktop, browsing the internet, using email, how to play dvd movies, get podcasts, record and edit sounds, etc all in Linux. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas, please do! Linux will then be a better friend! Thanks to the both of you for all your works. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people Hi Michael, Oh, I see. I wasn't aware this was the final draft. In any case it is great starter for the Windows XP user. great work. As far as continuing the kind of work you have started I have been thinking of doing something similar for Linux. I've been wanting to write up a authoritative guide for new Linux users that explains such things is how to use the Orca screen reader, the Gnome desktop, browsing the internet, using email, how to play dvd movies, get podcasts, record and edit sounds, etc all in Linux. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1484 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 4:40 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, That'd be ausum. i've always wanted to know what the benifits of using linux over windows would be, and I know there are very few if any accessible games which run under it, but it'd still be a good read. if you do get round to doing it, i'd like to be a reviewer if possible. Aiden - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people Thomas, please do! Linux will then be a better friend! Thanks to the both of you for all your works. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people Hi Michael, Oh, I see. I wasn't aware this was the final draft. In any case it is great starter for the Windows XP user. great work. As far as continuing the kind of work you have started I have been thinking of doing something similar for Linux. I've been wanting to write up a authoritative guide for new Linux users that explains such things is how to use the Orca screen reader, the Gnome desktop, browsing the internet, using email, how to play dvd movies, get podcasts, record and edit sounds, etc all in Linux. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1484 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 4:40 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Aiden, Actually, there is a lot more accessible games out there for Linux than you probably think. It is true that you aren't going to find something like GMA Tank commander, Shades of Doom, or Topspeed, but there are games that you can play in Linux. For example, using the text based telnet client that ships with Linux you can successfully play all of the same muds we enjoy under Windows. if you want to play something like alter Aeon just point telnet to dentinmud.org port 3000 and you are ready to play Alter Aeon. There are also Linux based ZMachine Interpreters such as frotz for Linux that allows you to play all of the Inform text based games. So that in of itself gives you several games to play in Linux. If you use Mozilla Firefox 3.0 for Linux web based games such as Sryth are playable with Orca. Since I spend a lot of time in the world of Sryth it is a game I can spend a lot of time on playing using my Linux desktop PC. I've heard that the latest versions of SoundRTS are Linux compatible, but haven't tried it for myself yet. If so that is another game that is pretty good, and is available for Linux gamers. In addition to games there are some programs in Linux that are actually more accessible than their Windows counterparts. There is this software I use for watching dvd movies called Totem Movie Player. Once you install all the media plugins it is actually a lot better than Windows Media Player. One of the reasons I like Totem Movie Player so well is it actually gives you accessible menus when selecting DVD content such as selecting chapters, commentary, and some of the features of the DVD that is difficult to get even with Windows media Player. another reason I like Totem is there is media plugins and codecs for just about any file format you want to play such as: wav, mp3, ogg, wma,, avi, mov, mpg, etc. So listening to podcasts, music, or watching movies is all doable under Linux. Bottom line, Linux has become quite user friendly over the last couple of years, and there is more content out there for us then most people believe. I actually use the latest version of Open Office for my home business instead of Microsoft Office 2007 for two reasons. It is less expensive, and does just about everything MS Office 2007 can do. aiden gardiner wrote: Hi Thomas, That'd be ausum. i've always wanted to know what the benifits of using linux over windows would be, and I know there are very few if any accessible games which run under it, but it'd still be a good read. if you do get round to doing it, i'd like to be a reviewer if possible. Aiden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hmm maybe you could do a vista guide or something tom, unless mike has vista. At any rate you can have the old style menus I think in vista which even though its backward in productivity is what I will do if and when I get vista, same goes for security, even if I have to get some weird alegal crap to do it. Call me a stand still old timer but I just can't see why I should bother with all this new stuff if I am already getting buy now. As it is if for whatever reason both these laptops here break I will probably go desktop, unless win7 is any better that is. At 02:55 a.m. 21/06/2008, you wrote: Hi Michael, I've just read through the first section of the guide and so far pretty good. However, I do have one suggestion. At some point you might want to update your guide for new Windows vista users. One thing I noticed is your description of the start menu was the Windows XP start menu, which is fine, but you might want to be aware of the fact the Vista start menu is quite a bit different in nature. The Vista startmenu requires you to tab around to different elements on the screen such as a search bar, the programs button, and a list view with such things as the users home directory, documents directory, music directory, control pannel, etc. Like i said it has a unique feel compared to Windows XP and earlier. You might want to make a note of this in your guide so new vista users don't get confused by your guide that assumes you are running XP and not a new system pre-loaded with Vista. In fact, last year when I first got Vista I found the new start menu slightly confusing and disorienting as I was expecting something along the lines of XP. I was wrong, and it requires some exploration or some additional explanation to get a new user use to the way Vista does things compared to XP and earlier. Also you might want to be aware of the fact some things have changed names under Vista. What was known as outlook Express under XP is called Windows Mail 7 in Vista. My Computer, My Documents, My Music, are simply called Computer, Documents, Music, etc under Vista. Just thought you might want to be aware of the fact Vista is slightly different than you are use to. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I aggree with you michael. At any rate if at all possible I will be making vista as much xp like if I ever upgrade to that, or maybe win7? And if I can't make it legally like xp then I'll just have to go alegal and make it like xp. So I hope my laptops do not die for ages. At 03:05 a.m. 21/06/2008, you wrote: Hi Tom. I don't plan on updating my guide at all. I've done the best I could with what I have access to. I unfortunately haven't gotten my hands on Vista yet and wouldn't presume to try to advise people on an operating system I don't know well. Perhaps, my project will spur others to start something which will be kept more up to date. I've certainly noted in my guide that Vista had its differences. That'll just have to do. The guide's a done deal now thank goodness. I can relax and unwind a bit now before plunging into my next project. Glad you've liked it so far. Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.blindspots.net/blog.php?user=13 - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people Hi Michael, I've just read through the first section of the guide and so far pretty good. However, I do have one suggestion. At some point you might want to update your guide for new Windows vista users. One thing I noticed is your description of the start menu was the Windows XP start menu, which is fine, but you might want to be aware of the fact the Vista start menu is quite a bit different in nature. The Vista startmenu requires you to tab around to different elements on the screen such as a search bar, the programs button, and a list view with such things as the users home directory, documents directory, music directory, control pannel, etc. Like i said it has a unique feel compared to Windows XP and earlier. You might want to make a note of this in your guide so new vista users don't get confused by your guide that assumes you are running XP and not a new system pre-loaded with Vista. In fact, last year when I first got Vista I found the new start menu slightly confusing and disorienting as I was expecting something along the lines of XP. I was wrong, and it requires some exploration or some additional explanation to get a new user use to the way Vista does things compared to XP and earlier. Also you might want to be aware of the fact some things have changed names under Vista. What was known as outlook Express under XP is called Windows Mail 7 in Vista. My Computer, My Documents, My Music, are simply called Computer, Documents, Music, etc under Vista. Just thought you might want to be aware of the fact Vista is slightly different than you are use to. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well tom a linux guide would be good, so would a vista guide. I mean I have read manuals and other opinionated junk from place to place but I never have got really into it all that much. At 08:12 a.m. 21/06/2008, you wrote: Hi Michael, Oh, I see. I wasn't aware this was the final draft. In any case it is great starter for the Windows XP user. great work. As far as continuing the kind of work you have started I have been thinking of doing something similar for Linux. I've been wanting to write up a authoritative guide for new Linux users that explains such things is how to use the Orca screen reader, the Gnome desktop, browsing the internet, using email, how to play dvd movies, get podcasts, record and edit sounds, etc all in Linux. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] a new computer guide for blind people
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June, 2008 Michael Feir creates a free computer guide for blind people with a unique style and focus. He wants more to start using computers and the Internet for personal pursuits. Many blind people have the mistaken impression that computers are strictly tools for work and education only. They needlessly miss out on opportunities for pleasure and personal growth which have made a profound difference in his life. After encountering countless blind people with expensive machines who only used them for basic reading and writing tasks, the creator of Audyssey Magazine began work on Personal Power. This free guide is the culmination of a two-year quest to rectify this situation. Written as more of a traveller's gazette than a manual, Personal Power offers a fun and easy entrance into digital life beyond education and work. Housed in a rich text file which can be opened on practically any modern computer, Personal Power makes for a small but informative portable partner in fun time. From the very basics of using Windows, Personal Power takes blind owners of accessible computers beyond their hard drives onto the information superhighway. Topics as diverse as online shopping, accessible computer games, computer defence and maintenance, blog's, email, instant messengers, and much more are discussed. Comprising a total of around fifty thousand words, the guide strikes a balance of providing enough information to inspire the confidence to explore further without overloading newcomers to digital life with excessive techno speak. The focus is on making people aware of the many possibilities for leisure and personal growth through sharing many of my own experiences. Why not get your digital feet wet? Go to: www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power and pick up your free copy of Personal Power and the three fireside chat lectures today. Become alive in the digital world. Use your personal power! Contact: Michael Feir, author Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Feir Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.blindspots.net/blog.php?user=13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
