Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Actually, it's mysteries of the ancients. Mysteries of the Aztecs was the name of a very early alpha where the game stil had some resemblance to montizuma's revenge. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Okay... never mind then. I just figured that because of the fact that it was subtitled Mysteries of the Aztecs... - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Not anymore. It used to be but that was changed fairly early on. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi, I must correct you, MOTA has nothing to with Aztecs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of clement chou Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Tom. I think you have a point... so many games are released by japanese companies that Katanas or martial arts are almost inevitable. Although, I think Japanese cultures also mesh wel with games, particularly the swords and fighting styles. I also have an interest in history and mythology though, and think the Katana is getting somewhat overused. I wouldn't complain about a game with say a roman gladus as Dark said, an aztec macuhitl, which is a club lined with obsidian as a kind of sword. The lattor could even be an addition to Mota, since it's about aztecs. Again, just my opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi, Um...I must ask. What was the last MOTA Beta yo played? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of clement chou Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 1:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Thanks for the recomendation! Although I'm curious t know... the last time I played the game, everything was at the same point every time. There was no random factor.. has that changed? It was a bit teedious when I could expect what was coming. lol. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi, Ah, I see. Well, maybe you might want to try beta 13 when it comes out. I just revamped a load of stuff including level 1 since beta 12 came out. Smile. On 5/31/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't change how much I look forward to it. lol. Yeah, I've been terribly out of the loop lately. Just been trying to catch up on t many things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi Clement, Yes, there are random items and random monsters in the game. That feature has been around since mid 2008 or so. I really suggest you try beta 12 or wait for beta 13 and play the demo. It sounds to me like you haven't touched the game in at least two years and the game has totally changed from what you remember. Most of your questions would be answered by actually trying the current demo. HTH On 5/31/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the recomendation! Although I'm curious t know... the last time I played the game, everything was at the same point every time. There was no random factor.. has that changed? It was a bit teedious when I could expect what was coming. lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Wel, I guess I'l give it a go and see what happens. Can't wait for the full thing t come out though, judging by the amount of hype. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Clement, Yes, there are random items and random monsters in the game. That feature has been around since mid 2008 or so. I really suggest you try beta 12 or wait for beta 13 and play the demo. It sounds to me like you haven't touched the game in at least two years and the game has totally changed from what you remember. Most of your questions would be answered by actually trying the current demo. HTH On 5/31/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the recomendation! Although I'm curious t know... the last time I played the game, everything was at the same point every time. There was no random factor.. has that changed? It was a bit teedious when I could expect what was coming. lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Okay... never mind then. I just figured that because of the fact that it was subtitled Mysteries of the Aztecs... - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Not anymore. It used to be but that was changed fairly early on. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi, I must correct you, MOTA has nothing to with Aztecs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of clement chou Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Tom. I think you have a point... so many games are released by japanese companies that Katanas or martial arts are almost inevitable. Although, I think Japanese cultures also mesh wel with games, particularly the swords and fighting styles. I also have an interest in history and mythology though, and think the Katana is getting somewhat overused. I wouldn't complain about a game with say a roman gladus as Dark said, an aztec macuhitl, which is a club lined with obsidian as a kind of sword. The lattor could even be an addition to Mota, since it's about aztecs. Again, just my opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Yeah, I submit to not having been very updated lately But I stand corrected. lol. Appologies! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi, Right. Mysteries of the Ancients is set in an ancient Greek underground tomb, and has nothing to do with Aztecs. Although, I know where someone might get confused if they haven't read the updated storyline since Mysteries of the Ancients came out in beta. I assume that he is still thinking of Montezuma's Revenge which has been gone for two entire years. On 5/29/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I must correct you, MOTA has nothing to with Aztecs. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi Clement, Wow! You are really out of the loop. The title Mysteries of the Aztecs was a temperary name I stuck on the game to get out from under the copyright issues with the original copyright holders. Eventually, though I renamed it Mysteries of the Ancients which was better suited to the new game and storyline. On 5/30/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Okay... never mind then. I just figured that because of the fact that it was subtitled Mysteries of the Aztecs... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Doesn't change how much I look forward to it. lol. Yeah, I've been terribly out of the loop lately. Just been trying to catch up on t many things. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Clement, Wow! You are really out of the loop. The title Mysteries of the Aztecs was a temperary name I stuck on the game to get out from under the copyright issues with the original copyright holders. Eventually, though I renamed it Mysteries of the Ancients which was better suited to the new game and storyline. On 5/30/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Okay... never mind then. I just figured that because of the fact that it was subtitled Mysteries of the Aztecs... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi, Ah, I see. Well, maybe you might want to try beta 13 when it comes out. I just revamped a load of stuff including level 1 since beta 12 came out. Smile. On 5/31/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't change how much I look forward to it. lol. Yeah, I've been terribly out of the loop lately. Just been trying to catch up on t many things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Thanks for the recomendation! Although I'm curious t know... the last time I played the game, everything was at the same point every time. There was no random factor.. has that changed? It was a bit teedious when I could expect what was coming. lol. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi, Ah, I see. Well, maybe you might want to try beta 13 when it comes out. I just revamped a load of stuff including level 1 since beta 12 came out. Smile. On 5/31/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't change how much I look forward to it. lol. Yeah, I've been terribly out of the loop lately. Just been trying to catch up on t many things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi, Right. Mysteries of the Ancients is set in an ancient Greek underground tomb, and has nothing to do with Aztecs. Although, I know where someone might get confused if they haven't read the updated storyline since Mysteries of the Ancients came out in beta. I assume that he is still thinking of Montezuma's Revenge which has been gone for two entire years. On 5/29/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I must correct you, MOTA has nothing to with Aztecs. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
dark You speak wisdom here and don't forget it's not just American and British law it's world wide, Australian Indian and the rest. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games yep, it is an arse, and even digital publication is severely limited because of the stupid law over here. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Exactly my thoughts. And the book thing makes me glad I don't live in the UK. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Josh. Quite some organization planned there methinks, especially sinse there with probably only 15 or 20 currently working developers of audio games tops, you wwouldn't have too many companies ;D. Also, methinks the legal changes won't be as easy as you suggest. that law you quote involving books only exists in the united states. In Britain up until 2005, the government did bugger all about access to books, and any charity had to perchice the publication writes streight out, or persuade the publishers to give them at reduced cost. Sinse 2005 that perchice of rights is no longer necessary so long as it is in an accessible format, however none of the charities really want to cross the publishers on this point, so if the industry says no! we want blind people to buy an abridged copy at ten times the price that is what happens. Getting back to games though, i'd be pretty much willing to bet game producers would knock such a law on the head the second it was proposed, remember, access is hardly game producers first option, in fact Nintendo are possitively draconian about their copywrites. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi Tom. I think you have a point... so many games are released by japanese companies that Katanas or martial arts are almost inevitable. Although, I think Japanese cultures also mesh wel with games, particularly the swords and fighting styles. I also have an interest in history and mythology though, and think the Katana is getting somewhat overused. I wouldn't complain about a game with say a roman gladus as Dark said, an aztec macuhitl, which is a club lined with obsidian as a kind of sword. The lattor could even be an addition to Mota, since it's about aztecs. Again, just my opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi, I must correct you, MOTA has nothing to with Aztecs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of clement chou Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Tom. I think you have a point... so many games are released by japanese companies that Katanas or martial arts are almost inevitable. Although, I think Japanese cultures also mesh wel with games, particularly the swords and fighting styles. I also have an interest in history and mythology though, and think the Katana is getting somewhat overused. I wouldn't complain about a game with say a roman gladus as Dark said, an aztec macuhitl, which is a club lined with obsidian as a kind of sword. The lattor could even be an addition to Mota, since it's about aztecs. Again, just my opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Not anymore. It used to be but that was changed fairly early on. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi, I must correct you, MOTA has nothing to with Aztecs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of clement chou Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Tom. I think you have a point... so many games are released by japanese companies that Katanas or martial arts are almost inevitable. Although, I think Japanese cultures also mesh wel with games, particularly the swords and fighting styles. I also have an interest in history and mythology though, and think the Katana is getting somewhat overused. I wouldn't complain about a game with say a roman gladus as Dark said, an aztec macuhitl, which is a club lined with obsidian as a kind of sword. The lattor could even be an addition to Mota, since it's about aztecs. Again, just my opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi Here is what I think the problem is. First, game developers on this list should decide on starting a company, not just one person, but maybe 4 or 5 people, or more. 2. persons involved in the game company should decide on a standard programming language because if you each choose a language, it won't work. 3. once decided upon, stick to that language, each person should be assigned a task. for starters you may set up a website with a free game or two, asking for donations to your company. 4. two people may work on writing game engines, another may work on just getting sound effects, another or maybe all of them work on game plots. 5. with more than one programmer say 4 or 5 people working together on games, the games will be great, and take less time to create. 6. If you doo make a really cool game, then you could probably charge more for it. but then there's the issue of copyright. Hmmm lets back up here a minute. maybe before we really have the liberty to make games for the blind, we gotta hammer the nfb and ACB to change the video game law so it states. any sounds, graphics, and music characters and storyLines which exist in video games for sighted people, may be coppied and redistributed, as long as the game is in a specialized format for people with disabilities. in other words lets do what we do with games, like we already do withh books. books in braille and audio nls books and daisy are specialised formats for blind people. so lets apply that to video games. lets change the law so that we can make games using sounds music, characters stories from the original game company's game, but since the game is in a specialised format for disabled folks, it therefore is legal to use said sounds music stories and characters in the audio game. since essentially an audio game is a tye of video game, in a specialised format, for folks with disabilities, so they can enjoy games as well. Josh -- Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh. Quite some organization planned there methinks, especially sinse there with probably only 15 or 20 currently working developers of audio games tops, you wwouldn't have too many companies ;D. Also, methinks the legal changes won't be as easy as you suggest. that law you quote involving books only exists in the united states. In Britain up until 2005, the government did bugger all about access to books, and any charity had to perchice the publication writes streight out, or persuade the publishers to give them at reduced cost. Sinse 2005 that perchice of rights is no longer necessary so long as it is in an accessible format, however none of the charities really want to cross the publishers on this point, so if the industry says no! we want blind people to buy an abridged copy at ten times the price that is what happens. Getting back to games though, i'd be pretty much willing to bet game producers would knock such a law on the head the second it was proposed, remember, access is hardly game producers first option, in fact Nintendo are possitively draconian about their copywrites. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Lots of luck getting that to happen. It'll probably take a lot more money to persuade mainstream game developers to allow that. Books are one thing but games are quite another. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:28 AM Subject: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Here is what I think the problem is. First, game developers on this list should decide on starting a company, not just one person, but maybe 4 or 5 people, or more. 2. persons involved in the game company should decide on a standard programming language because if you each choose a language, it won't work. 3. once decided upon, stick to that language, each person should be assigned a task. for starters you may set up a website with a free game or two, asking for donations to your company. 4. two people may work on writing game engines, another may work on just getting sound effects, another or maybe all of them work on game plots. 5. with more than one programmer say 4 or 5 people working together on games, the games will be great, and take less time to create. 6. If you doo make a really cool game, then you could probably charge more for it. but then there's the issue of copyright. Hmmm lets back up here a minute. maybe before we really have the liberty to make games for the blind, we gotta hammer the nfb and ACB to change the video game law so it states. any sounds, graphics, and music characters and storyLines which exist in video games for sighted people, may be coppied and redistributed, as long as the game is in a specialized format for people with disabilities. in other words lets do what we do with games, like we already do withh books. books in braille and audio nls books and daisy are specialised formats for blind people. so lets apply that to video games. lets change the law so that we can make games using sounds music, characters stories from the original game company's game, but since the game is in a specialised format for disabled folks, it therefore is legal to use said sounds music stories and characters in the audio game. since essentially an audio game is a tye of video game, in a specialised format, for folks with disabilities, so they can enjoy games as well. Josh -- Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Exactly my thoughts. And the book thing makes me glad I don't live in the UK. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Josh. Quite some organization planned there methinks, especially sinse there with probably only 15 or 20 currently working developers of audio games tops, you wwouldn't have too many companies ;D. Also, methinks the legal changes won't be as easy as you suggest. that law you quote involving books only exists in the united states. In Britain up until 2005, the government did bugger all about access to books, and any charity had to perchice the publication writes streight out, or persuade the publishers to give them at reduced cost. Sinse 2005 that perchice of rights is no longer necessary so long as it is in an accessible format, however none of the charities really want to cross the publishers on this point, so if the industry says no! we want blind people to buy an abridged copy at ten times the price that is what happens. Getting back to games though, i'd be pretty much willing to bet game producers would knock such a law on the head the second it was proposed, remember, access is hardly game producers first option, in fact Nintendo are possitively draconian about their copywrites. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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yep, it is an arse, and even digital publication is severely limited because of the stupid law over here. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Exactly my thoughts. And the book thing makes me glad I don't live in the UK. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Josh. Quite some organization planned there methinks, especially sinse there with probably only 15 or 20 currently working developers of audio games tops, you wwouldn't have too many companies ;D. Also, methinks the legal changes won't be as easy as you suggest. that law you quote involving books only exists in the united states. In Britain up until 2005, the government did bugger all about access to books, and any charity had to perchice the publication writes streight out, or persuade the publishers to give them at reduced cost. Sinse 2005 that perchice of rights is no longer necessary so long as it is in an accessible format, however none of the charities really want to cross the publishers on this point, so if the industry says no! we want blind people to buy an abridged copy at ten times the price that is what happens. Getting back to games though, i'd be pretty much willing to bet game producers would knock such a law on the head the second it was proposed, remember, access is hardly game producers first option, in fact Nintendo are possitively draconian about their copywrites. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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grin I aggree with you on all points there. Unfortunately it won't happen. firstly the only good programmers that exist here are phill vlasic tom ward, dave greenwood, jayson allon and hmmm Well jim kitchen though he has said his code is a bit weird looking. Over that, we have the pkb guys. But most of those are autoit hackers and I really don't think there are a lot of us that could do c++ well unless we are not showing it. Who am I to judge? oh we have liam but he has a job so does jayson. Over that we have a few opensource projects via audiogames.net Even if we have the 5 we have, I doubt we would be able to make any real difference. Next there is that law there probably is no way to shift it. Our market is real small. Our type of games needs to change. we have simple arcade, some action and sports games. some multiplayer games to. to be frank. We have several engines. oh forgot to add draconis into the mix they also do good programs. as I said we have bgt, in development. by blastbay phil benefall is also a good programmer so we have roughly 7 main guys probably could work. we have bgt in beta, gma in development but engine is not in general public. we have the genisus 3d system in development and not released. Out of all that we have one engine actually that can be used gma. and bgt I suppose 2. Out of that, gma is in vb6 and is probably not going to exist in that form come the next windows versions. that also rules out jim kitchen unless he goes dotnet straight away we go down to 6 programmers. g3d is I think going to c++ I think and so maybe its ok bgt is ok its current. so maybe if gma gets updated whenever it is then we have 3 engines. Could it work? Ok so we probably have enough to go round. What is this community like? Well its ok though most of use are just players, some testers, a few script and general program hackers but not many programmers unless there are lurkers. I myself can do some sounds and voiceovers, and maybe some hacking of scripts in autoit maybe some html and simple java script, and batch programming. maybe pascal, possibly but not much. I also can test. but thats it. Our community is not that close really, there are some I really don't care about and others, hmmm I don't we really have a relationship as such, I know mostly I read casually through the messages, I used to voice exactly what I think but these days its not come that far. at any rate we seem to tolerate eachother until the next war of sorts, The only time I even try to message like really message is when something like this comes out or a new game comes up. At 01:28 a.m. 29/05/2010, you wrote: Hi Here is what I think the problem is. First, game developers on this list should decide on starting a company, not just one person, but maybe 4 or 5 people, or more. 2. persons involved in the game company should decide on a standard programming language because if you each choose a language, it won't work. 3. once decided upon, stick to that language, each person should be assigned a task. for starters you may set up a website with a free game or two, asking for donations to your company. 4. two people may work on writing game engines, another may work on just getting sound effects, another or maybe all of them work on game plots. 5. with more than one programmer say 4 or 5 people working together on games, the games will be great, and take less time to create. 6. If you doo make a really cool game, then you could probably charge more for it. but then there's the issue of copyright. Hmmm lets back up here a minute. maybe before we really have the liberty to make games for the blind, we gotta hammer the nfb and ACB to change the video game law so it states. any sounds, graphics, and music characters and storyLines which exist in video games for sighted people, may be coppied and redistributed, as long as the game is in a specialized format for people with disabilities. in other words lets do what we do with games, like we already do withh books. books in braille and audio nls books and daisy are specialised formats for blind people. so lets apply that to video games. lets change the law so that we can make games using sounds music, characters stories from the original game company's game, but since the game is in a specialised format for disabled folks, it therefore is legal to use said sounds music stories and characters in the audio game. since essentially an audio game is a tye of video game, in a specialised format, for folks with disabilities, so they can enjoy games as well. Josh -- Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
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also there is this issue with organisation. I have some basic marketing and management papers but its really not my thing. Its not like most of us me included put our outside lives on the list. I used to belong to a chat list and for a while it was really good. but that list dried out of content. granted for me it took 4 years but thee is only so much you can say. At 01:39 a.m. 29/05/2010, you wrote: Hi Josh. Quite some organization planned there methinks, especially sinse there with probably only 15 or 20 currently working developers of audio games tops, you wwouldn't have too many companies ;D. Also, methinks the legal changes won't be as easy as you suggest. that law you quote involving books only exists in the united states. In Britain up until 2005, the government did bugger all about access to books, and any charity had to perchice the publication writes streight out, or persuade the publishers to give them at reduced cost. Sinse 2005 that perchice of rights is no longer necessary so long as it is in an accessible format, however none of the charities really want to cross the publishers on this point, so if the industry says no! we want blind people to buy an abridged copy at ten times the price that is what happens. Getting back to games though, i'd be pretty much willing to bet game producers would knock such a law on the head the second it was proposed, remember, access is hardly game producers first option, in fact Nintendo are possitively draconian about their copywrites. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well at least you guys have it so described tv and movies will work. in here in nz there is no law to make it so you can get described tv or anything. There was talk about making a subscription service here to kurb piracy of things which I am all for. THe issue now is you can get movies form the net which i often do. however no support if something goes bad and the quality is not always there. Imported dvds you buy or borrow are ok but I'd like some digital service especially if you could pull it from a local server or something. yep, it is an arse, and even digital publication is severely limited because of the stupid law over here. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Exactly my thoughts. And the book thing makes me glad I don't live in the UK. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Josh. Quite some organization planned there methinks, especially sinse there with probably only 15 or 20 currently working developers of audio games tops, you wwouldn't have too many companies ;D. Also, methinks the legal changes won't be as easy as you suggest. that law you quote involving books only exists in the united states. In Britain up until 2005, the government did bugger all about access to books, and any charity had to perchice the publication writes streight out, or persuade the publishers to give them at reduced cost. Sinse 2005 that perchice of rights is no longer necessary so long as it is in an accessible format, however none of the charities really want to cross the publishers on this point, so if the industry says no! we want blind people to buy an abridged copy at ten times the price that is what happens. Getting back to games though, i'd be pretty much willing to bet game producers would knock such a law on the head the second it was proposed, remember, access is hardly game producers first option, in fact Nintendo are possitively draconian about their copywrites. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Yeah, I've heard you say that we need to change the law about three or four times on this thread already, but you haven't yet come up with a way to exactly do that. Getting laws passed isn't as easy as showing up at the Capital building in Washington DC and asking Congress to create a new law for you. It usually requires a lot of time and money and a lobbiest to bring your case before the House of Representatives and the Senate. Either that or you have to try it in court and take the case all the way upt to the Supreme Court which will make a constitutional ruling on the matter. In either case it could take you years just to have your case heard by someone in a position to do something about it. So I'm eager to hear your ideas how to do this. As for finding partners to write games I'll freely admit I'm generally not the partner type. I've spent several years on my own, doing things my own way, and I'd say it would be hard for me to work together as a team with someone else. Especially, if the game happens to be my idea and I want to do it one way and he/she wants to do it another. Fact of the matter is I program these games for my own interests, my own enjoyment, and I don't especially want someone else messing around with my code and changing things I want done my way. That sounds selfish, I know, but cooperation is key to any kind of teamwork. That is not even considering how you will split the money between you. Let's say you make $5,000 on a game. If you have five team members split five ways it is $1,000 a piece. That's okay, I guess, but I'd rather have the full $5,000 myself if it was my idea and I did most of the work creating it. If nothing else the money would have to be split based on the amount of work done by each member, and is editing sound effects worth as much as the guy spending the time programming the game? HTH On 5/28/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Here is what I think the problem is. First, game developers on this list should decide on starting a company, not just one person, but maybe 4 or 5 people, or more. 2. persons involved in the game company should decide on a standard programming language because if you each choose a language, it won't work. 3. once decided upon, stick to that language, each person should be assigned a task. for starters you may set up a website with a free game or two, asking for donations to your company. 4. two people may work on writing game engines, another may work on just getting sound effects, another or maybe all of them work on game plots. 5. with more than one programmer say 4 or 5 people working together on games, the games will be great, and take less time to create. 6. If you doo make a really cool game, then you could probably charge more for it. but then there's the issue of copyright. Hmmm lets back up here a minute. maybe before we really have the liberty to make games for the blind, we gotta hammer the nfb and ACB to change the video game law so it states. any sounds, graphics, and music characters and storyLines which exist in video games for sighted people, may be coppied and redistributed, as long as the game is in a specialized format for people with disabilities. in other words lets do what we do with games, like we already do withh books. books in braille and audio nls books and daisy are specialised formats for blind people. so lets apply that to video games. lets change the law so that we can make games using sounds music, characters stories from the original game company's game, but since the game is in a specialised format for disabled folks, it therefore is legal to use said sounds music stories and characters in the audio game. since essentially an audio game is a tye of video game, in a specialised format, for folks with disabilities, so they can enjoy games as well. Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Actually sean, there is no law saying tv must be described, there are just literally 6 rather dedicated people at the audio description office who are keen on what they are doing. They frequently have to hit film and tv producers over the head, and do ridiculous things like record one description for release in cinema and a different one for dvd release because of copywrite, oh, and then of course the cinemas themselves aren't actually great at putting the audio described versions of the film on sinse they say it will destract others (though sinse you only here the audio description while wearing wireless headphones, I don't know where they get this from). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games well at least you guys have it so described tv and movies will work. in here in nz there is no law to make it so you can get described tv or anything. There was talk about making a subscription service here to kurb piracy of things which I am all for. THe issue now is you can get movies form the net which i often do. however no support if something goes bad and the quality is not always there. Imported dvds you buy or borrow are ok but I'd like some digital service especially if you could pull it from a local server or something. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games
Hi Thomas, And I will say the same thing I said for the law in regards to accessibility--what one person considers most of the work is in another dimension to whatsomeone else say is doing most of the work. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 3:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] drastic change needed for audio games Hi Josh, Yeah, I've heard you say that we need to change the law about three or four times on this thread already, but you haven't yet come up with a way to exactly do that. Getting laws passed isn't as easy as showing up at the Capital building in Washington DC and asking Congress to create a new law for you. It usually requires a lot of time and money and a lobbiest to bring your case before the House of Representatives and the Senate. Either that or you have to try it in court and take the case all the way upt to the Supreme Court which will make a constitutional ruling on the matter. In either case it could take you years just to have your case heard by someone in a position to do something about it. So I'm eager to hear your ideas how to do this. As for finding partners to write games I'll freely admit I'm generally not the partner type. I've spent several years on my own, doing things my own way, and I'd say it would be hard for me to work together as a team with someone else. Especially, if the game happens to be my idea and I want to do it one way and he/she wants to do it another. Fact of the matter is I program these games for my own interests, my own enjoyment, and I don't especially want someone else messing around with my code and changing things I want done my way. That sounds selfish, I know, but cooperation is key to any kind of teamwork. That is not even considering how you will split the money between you. Let's say you make $5,000 on a game. If you have five team members split five ways it is $1,000 a piece. That's okay, I guess, but I'd rather have the full $5,000 myself if it was my idea and I did most of the work creating it. If nothing else the money would have to be split based on the amount of work done by each member, and is editing sound effects worth as much as the guy spending the time programming the game? HTH On 5/28/10, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Here is what I think the problem is. First, game developers on this list should decide on starting a company, not just one person, but maybe 4 or 5 people, or more. 2. persons involved in the game company should decide on a standard programming language because if you each choose a language, it won't work. 3. once decided upon, stick to that language, each person should be assigned a task. for starters you may set up a website with a free game or two, asking for donations to your company. 4. two people may work on writing game engines, another may work on just getting sound effects, another or maybe all of them work on game plots. 5. with more than one programmer say 4 or 5 people working together on games, the games will be great, and take less time to create. 6. If you doo make a really cool game, then you could probably charge more for it. but then there's the issue of copyright. Hmmm lets back up here a minute. maybe before we really have the liberty to make games for the blind, we gotta hammer the nfb and ACB to change the video game law so it states. any sounds, graphics, and music characters and storyLines which exist in video games for sighted people, may be coppied and redistributed, as long as the game is in a specialized format for people with disabilities. in other words lets do what we do with games, like we already do withh books. books in braille and audio nls books and daisy are specialised formats for blind people. so lets apply that to video games. lets change the law so that we can make games using sounds music, characters stories from the original game company's game, but since the game is in a specialised format for disabled folks, it therefore is legal to use said sounds music stories and characters in the audio game. since essentially an audio game is a tye of video game, in a specialised format, for folks with disabilities, so they can enjoy games as well. Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your
