Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-02 Thread Ben
Its actually 4 left if I recall correctly


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With the bowling you can count the number of clicks. If you are a write
handed bowler three clicks to the write is usually in the middle. As Charles
rightly said it becomes in accessible when you've had your first bowl as if
you don't get a strike first time then clearly you won't know what's left up
and where they are so that's guess work. BUt if you do the clicks counting
like I explained you've got a very good chance of getting a strike first
time.
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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-02 Thread Ian McNamara
Exactly On our whiee when we had it I had the highest score on the bowling on 
our console and no one could break it including sighted people.

Ian McNamara
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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
They may not be accessible in te same way that audio games are but 
they're still very much playable. I myyself have broken 200 in Wii 
Sports Bowling on more than one occasion. I did have to have sighted 
help on those occasions whenI didn't get a strike the first time, but as 
I said I find those types of games more enjoyable when you have friends 
to play them with anyway.

On 2/1/2013 5:36 PM, Ian McNamara wrote:

With the bowling you can count the number of clicks. If you are a write handed 
bowler three clicks to the write is usually in the middle. As Charles rightly 
said it becomes in accessible when you've had your first bowl as if you don't 
get a strike first time then clearly you won't know what's left up and where 
they are so that's guess work. BUt if you do the clicks counting like I 
explained you've got a very good chance of getting a strike first time.
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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread Ian McNamara
With the bowling you can count the number of clicks. If you are a write handed 
bowler three clicks to the write is usually in the middle. As Charles rightly 
said it becomes in accessible when you've had your first bowl as if you don't 
get a strike first time then clearly you won't know what's left up and where 
they are so that's guess work. BUt if you do the clicks counting like I 
explained you've got a very good chance of getting a strike first time.
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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread Charles Rivard
I notice that you say that you have to "try" to find the correct game and to 
"try" to find the start button.  To me, the hunt and peck method of finding 
what you want is very undesirable.  If you could raise or lower the 
triggering device to the top or bottom and count clicks from a known 
reference point, then it would be accessible.


But once the game has started, can you accurately and skillfully play the 
games with a known target with no sighted assistance?  If not, it is not 
accessible.  Wildly and randomly shooting, or just guessing when or where to 
shoot or aim is not playing with skill.  You might succeed by pure luck or 
on a chance, but you're not using any actual skill.


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@sarah actually no you don't need any assistance for that menu, because
1 you know when you're pointing at something because there is the
click sound and the wii mote vibrates
2 if you click on the wrong channel you can use the + and minus
buttons to switch channels til you find the game channel, and try to
find where the start button is

On 2/1/13, Bryan Peterson  wrote:

I've noticed it depends how the pins behave. I've gotten absolutely
perfect swings and yet it still didn't result in a strike. Still it's a
lot of fun. And anyway that's the sort of game, to me at least, that's
more fun to play withothers anyway.
On 2/1/2013 1:57 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

If that were true, you could score 300 with a good swing from
anywhere, which doesn't make sense to me.  If you leave a 7 pin and
aim for the 10 pin, even with a perfect swing of the arm, you should
miss.  And if you don't know what to aim for, you're stuck.

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I've played the bowling as a sighted person, and I gotta say that it
really doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not.  In fact, it's
probably more helpful to have them closed, because no matter what you
see with your eyes or how you try to line things up, it's it doesn't
seem to make any difference to the control.  I've heard experienced
people say it's more about getting the movement of the arm straight
when doing the throw than actually paying attention to what's on the
screen.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Rivard 
wrote:

How do you figure that the bowling is accessible?  You cannot tell
what pins
are left after your first ball, you can't tell where you are aiming,
and you
don't know your score.  To me, you need vision to play the game.
You cannot
play if without help from correctly functioning eyes.  (grin)

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessable games for the playstation three.



Hi well with the whee you can play the whee sports games they are
pretty
accessible asspeshaly the bowling.

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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread ryan chou
@sarah actually no you don't need any assistance for that menu, because
1 you know when you're pointing at something because there is the
click sound and the wii mote vibrates
2 if you click on the wrong channel you can use the + and minus
buttons to switch channels til you find the game channel, and try to
find where the start button is

On 2/1/13, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> I've noticed it depends how the pins behave. I've gotten absolutely
> perfect swings and yet it still didn't result in a strike. Still it's a
> lot of fun. And anyway that's the sort of game, to me at least, that's
> more fun to play withothers anyway.
> On 2/1/2013 1:57 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
>> If that were true, you could score 300 with a good swing from
>> anywhere, which doesn't make sense to me.  If you leave a 7 pin and
>> aim for the 10 pin, even with a perfect swing of the arm, you should
>> miss.  And if you don't know what to aim for, you're stuck.
>>
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>> - Original Message - From: "Dennis Towne" 
>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by
>> the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.
>>
>>
>>> I've played the bowling as a sighted person, and I gotta say that it
>>> really doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not.  In fact, it's
>>> probably more helpful to have them closed, because no matter what you
>>> see with your eyes or how you try to line things up, it's it doesn't
>>> seem to make any difference to the control.  I've heard experienced
>>> people say it's more about getting the movement of the arm straight
>>> when doing the throw than actually paying attention to what's on the
>>> screen.
>>>
>>> Dennis Towne
>>>
>>> Alter Aeon MUD
>>> http://www.alteraeon.com
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Rivard 
>>> wrote:
>>>> How do you figure that the bowling is accessible?  You cannot tell
>>>> what pins
>>>> are left after your first ball, you can't tell where you are aiming,
>>>> and you
>>>> don't know your score.  To me, you need vision to play the game.
>>>> You cannot
>>>> play if without help from correctly functioning eyes.  (grin)
>>>>
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>>>> - Original Message - From: "Ian McNamara"
>>>> 
>>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessable games for the playstation three.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi well with the whee you can play the whee sports games they are
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> accessible asspeshaly the bowling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian McNamara
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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread Bryan Peterson
I've noticed it depends how the pins behave. I've gotten absolutely 
perfect swings and yet it still didn't result in a strike. Still it's a 
lot of fun. And anyway that's the sort of game, to me at least, that's 
more fun to play withothers anyway.

On 2/1/2013 1:57 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
If that were true, you could score 300 with a good swing from 
anywhere, which doesn't make sense to me.  If you leave a 7 pin and 
aim for the 10 pin, even with a perfect swing of the arm, you should 
miss.  And if you don't know what to aim for, you're stuck.


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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by 
the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.




I've played the bowling as a sighted person, and I gotta say that it
really doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not.  In fact, it's
probably more helpful to have them closed, because no matter what you
see with your eyes or how you try to line things up, it's it doesn't
seem to make any difference to the control.  I've heard experienced
people say it's more about getting the movement of the arm straight
when doing the throw than actually paying attention to what's on the
screen.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Rivard  
wrote:
How do you figure that the bowling is accessible?  You cannot tell 
what pins
are left after your first ball, you can't tell where you are aiming, 
and you
don't know your score.  To me, you need vision to play the game.  
You cannot

play if without help from correctly functioning eyes.  (grin)

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessable games for the playstation three.


Hi well with the whee you can play the whee sports games they are 
pretty

accessible asspeshaly the bowling.

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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread Charles Rivard
If that were true, you could score 300 with a good swing from anywhere, 
which doesn't make sense to me.  If you leave a 7 pin and aim for the 10 
pin, even with a perfect swing of the arm, you should miss.  And if you 
don't know what to aim for, you're stuck.


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I've played the bowling as a sighted person, and I gotta say that it
really doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not.  In fact, it's
probably more helpful to have them closed, because no matter what you
see with your eyes or how you try to line things up, it's it doesn't
seem to make any difference to the control.  I've heard experienced
people say it's more about getting the movement of the arm straight
when doing the throw than actually paying attention to what's on the
screen.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Rivard  
wrote:
How do you figure that the bowling is accessible?  You cannot tell what 
pins
are left after your first ball, you can't tell where you are aiming, and 
you
don't know your score.  To me, you need vision to play the game.  You 
cannot

play if without help from correctly functioning eyes.  (grin)

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Hi well with the whee you can play the whee sports games they are pretty
accessible asspeshaly the bowling.

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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread Bryan Peterson

That makes a lot of sennse.
On 2/1/2013 1:49 PM, Dennis Towne wrote:

I've played the bowling as a sighted person, and I gotta say that it
really doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not.  In fact, it's
probably more helpful to have them closed, because no matter what you
see with your eyes or how you try to line things up, it's it doesn't
seem to make any difference to the control.  I've heard experienced
people say it's more about getting the movement of the arm straight
when doing the throw than actually paying attention to what's on the
screen.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

How do you figure that the bowling is accessible?  You cannot tell what pins
are left after your first ball, you can't tell where you are aiming, and you
don't know your score.  To me, you need vision to play the game.  You cannot
play if without help from correctly functioning eyes.  (grin)

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Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by the blind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.

2013-02-01 Thread Dennis Towne
I've played the bowling as a sighted person, and I gotta say that it
really doesn't matter if your eyes are open or not.  In fact, it's
probably more helpful to have them closed, because no matter what you
see with your eyes or how you try to line things up, it's it doesn't
seem to make any difference to the control.  I've heard experienced
people say it's more about getting the movement of the arm straight
when doing the throw than actually paying attention to what's on the
screen.

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> How do you figure that the bowling is accessible?  You cannot tell what pins
> are left after your first ball, you can't tell where you are aiming, and you
> don't know your score.  To me, you need vision to play the game.  You cannot
> play if without help from correctly functioning eyes.  (grin)
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> - Original Message - From: "Ian McNamara" 
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>> Hi well with the whee you can play the whee sports games they are pretty
>> accessible asspeshaly the bowling.
>>
>> Ian McNamara
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