[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
That...or an urban legend. Better check Scopes. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Badrish Davanagere Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:27 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination >>This actually helps dispel the myth that Urban and Co. Another urban myth eh? :-) On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Ken Kirkley wrote: My thought is they play Demps and Rainey because they have the ability to break the big gain, IF they can get to and through the hole quickly enough. This actually helps dispel the myth that Urban and Co. are happy with long boring drives that eat up the clock. They would be happier if Demps could take one of these dive plays and go 60 yards. If they were really interested in 12-15 play drives, they would use Moody more. As I say this, I don't have anything against Demps and Rainey, I just think we are utilizing them in the wrong way. It is okay to run them between the tackles occasionally to keep the defense honest, but it shouldn't be their staple. Ken K MNGator Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
>>This actually helps dispel the myth that Urban and Co. Another urban myth eh? :-) On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > My thought is they play Demps and Rainey because they have the ability to > break the big gain, IF they can get to and through the hole quickly enough. > This actually helps dispel the myth that Urban and Co. are happy with long > boring drives that eat up the clock. They would be happier if Demps could > take one of these dive plays and go 60 yards. If they were really > interested in 12-15 play drives, they would use Moody more. > > As I say this, I don't have anything against Demps and Rainey, I just think > we are utilizing them in the wrong way. It is okay to run them between the > tackles occasionally to keep the defense honest, but it shouldn't be their > staple. > > *Ken K* > *MNGator* > > > -- > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *ke...@baldwinnc.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:11 AM > > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > > I'm with you - but other people are convinced that James, Demps and > Rainey break tackles at the line of scrimmage better than Moody, Chris Scott > and Gillislee. > > I am all for using all the tools in the toolbox. > > > Original Message > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > From: Badrish Davanagere > Date: Tue, October 13, 2009 9:05 am > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > > but then WHY...please somebody educate me WHY are we not using a > bigger-bodied Moody? WHY? > > [I am sure somebody will say we don't know and we will never know because > there is a media black out...but I am not going to be satisfied with that > answer!!! :-) [?]] > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > >> Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... >> >> Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry >> Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry >> Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry >> Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry >> >> Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for a >> loss. >> >> *Ken K* >> *MNGator* >> >> ---------- >> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Oliver Barry >> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM >> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination >> >>Lot’s of good points. Yes, Pick’em is a dumb game. I’m never playing >> again! >> Demps is getting the ball more because he’s averaging 7 yards a carry. >> Moody is averaging 3 or 4. >> We’re playing a conservative offense because it’s working. We don’t have >> to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. >> There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were >> both late in the game when we didn’t care if they scored. >> >> Oliver Barry CRS,GRI >> Real Estate Broker >> Bob Parks Realty >> 1517 Hunt Club Blvd >> Gallatin TN 37066 >> Phone: 615-826-4040 >> Fax: 615-822-2027 >> Mobile: 615-972-4239 >> >> >> -- >> >> >> - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the >> perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... >> >> >> *Ken K* >> *MNGator* >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- <>
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
My thought is they play Demps and Rainey because they have the ability to break the big gain, IF they can get to and through the hole quickly enough. This actually helps dispel the myth that Urban and Co. are happy with long boring drives that eat up the clock. They would be happier if Demps could take one of these dive plays and go 60 yards. If they were really interested in 12-15 play drives, they would use Moody more. As I say this, I don't have anything against Demps and Rainey, I just think we are utilizing them in the wrong way. It is okay to run them between the tackles occasionally to keep the defense honest, but it shouldn't be their staple. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:11 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination I'm with you - but other people are convinced that James, Demps and Rainey break tackles at the line of scrimmage better than Moody, Chris Scott and Gillislee. I am all for using all the tools in the toolbox. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination From: Badrish Davanagere Date: Tue, October 13, 2009 9:05 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com but then WHY...please somebody educate me WHY are we not using a bigger-bodied Moody? WHY? [I am sure somebody will say we don't know and we will never know because there is a media black out...but I am not going to be satisfied with that answer!!! :-) ] On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for a loss. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- <>
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
I agree with Demps and Rainey...but James - IMHO, he doesn't do that well running from a classic set running back...or he does way lot better as a slot receiver than a running back or even running those reverses. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: > I'm with you - but other people are convinced that James, Demps and Rainey > break tackles at the line of scrimmage better than Moody, Chris Scott and > Gillislee. > > I am all for using all the tools in the toolbox. > > > Original Message ---- > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > From: Badrish Davanagere > Date: Tue, October 13, 2009 9:05 am > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > > but then WHY...please somebody educate me WHY are we not using a > bigger-bodied Moody? WHY? > > [I am sure somebody will say we don't know and we will never know because > there is a media black out...but I am not going to be satisfied with that > answer!!! :-) [?]] > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > >> Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... >> >> Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry >> Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry >> Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry >> Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry >> >> Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for a >> loss. >> >> *Ken K* >> *MNGator* >> >> -- >> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Oliver Barry >> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM >> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination >> >>Lot’s of good points. Yes, Pick’em is a dumb game. I’m never playing >> again! >> Demps is getting the ball more because he’s averaging 7 yards a carry. >> Moody is averaging 3 or 4. >> We’re playing a conservative offense because it’s working. We don’t have >> to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. >> There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were >> both late in the game when we didn’t care if they scored. >> >> Oliver Barry CRS,GRI >> Real Estate Broker >> Bob Parks Realty >> 1517 Hunt Club Blvd >> Gallatin TN 37066 >> Phone: 615-826-4040 >> Fax: 615-822-2027 >> Mobile: 615-972-4239 >> >> >> -- >> >> >> - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the >> perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... >> >> >> *Ken K* >> *MNGator* >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- <>
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
I'm with you - but other people are convinced that James, Demps and Rainey break tackles at the line of scrimmage better than Moody, Chris Scott and Gillislee. I am all for using all the tools in the toolbox. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastinationFrom: Badrish Davanagere Date: Tue, October 13, 2009 9:05 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.combut then WHY...please somebody educate me WHY are we not using a bigger-bodied Moody? WHY?[I am sure somebody will say we don't know and we will never know because there is a media black out...but I am not going to be satisfied with that answer!!! :-) ] On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Ken Kirkley <k...@kirkley.net> wrote: Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for a loss. Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver BarrySent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot’s of good points. Yes, Pick’em is a dumb game. I’m never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he’s averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We’re playing a conservative offense because it’s working. We don’t have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn’t care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
but then WHY...please somebody educate me WHY are we not using a bigger-bodied Moody? WHY? [I am sure somebody will say we don't know and we will never know because there is a media black out...but I am not going to be satisfied with that answer!!! :-) [?]] On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... > > Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry > Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry > Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry > Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry > > Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for a loss. > > *Ken K* > *MNGator* > > -- > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Oliver Barry > *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > > Lot’s of good points. Yes, Pick’em is a dumb game. I’m never playing > again! > > Demps is getting the ball more because he’s averaging 7 yards a carry. > Moody is averaging 3 or 4. > > We’re playing a conservative offense because it’s working. We don’t have > to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. > There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were > both late in the game when we didn’t care if they scored. > > > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > Bob Parks Realty > > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > > Gallatin TN 37066 > > Phone: 615-826-4040 > > Fax: 615-822-2027 > > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > > > -- > > > > > > - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect > game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... > > > > > > *Ken K* > > *MNGator* > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- <>
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
What he said. Agree 100%. Nice rebuttal. Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:44 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Disclaimer (1) - A lot of this may sound like apologist reasoning in support of the coaches. Nothing new here - those of you that have been on the list long enough may remember that I was classified as belong to "the pollyannas" during "the dark years" :) Disclaimer (2) - It may seem that I like to pick on Keith a lot. Not really, for some reason his comments often motivate me to add mine. Those being said: is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? I doubt it - Urbam has input, and final approval on all plays that are called. If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Coach Meyer, in his post game press conference said that he had hoped to be more balanced by this point in the season. I read a post on a message board this morning that I'm going to borrow from heavily here (conceptually anyway), as I agreed with a lot of the points the poster made (as to why we haven't seen "more" out of our playbook). First two games =cupcake city. No reason to play anything but vanilla. Against CSU not only did we substitute early and deeply we only ran two sets on defense and maybe four plays on offense. Troy was much the same, only we opened up the defense a little more so that the players could practice some of the schemes "live". Tennessee's offense didn't scare us too much (although they did run the ball, especially in the first half, with more success than I thought they'd have). Their defense basically dared us to run as they were set up to defend against the deep ball/big plays. Meyer is no 90's era Spurrier - who often stubbornly tried to throw the ball downfield rather than take what the defense was giving up. As long as we could run the ball and Tennessee could not hit big plays, it made sense to shorten the game and let the Vols have their moral victory. For one quarter in Kentucky we saw what this team is capable of. I can't help but think that Meyer's friendship with Rich Brooks kept him from exercising the full offense even more. Even then we had a flu-ravaged team and our primary speed receiver, Deonte thompson, missed his second consecutive game with a strained hamstring. Fast forward to LSU. Deonte is back and healthy, but we've had two weeks of uncertainty as to whether or not Tebow would be able to play. He did, but missed valuable practice time (as well as personal conditioning) and once he was cleared to practice he was splitting reps with Brantley because there was no guarantee that he'd be cleared to play in the game. So we face an LSU defense who's strength is their back seven (if you weren't muting Danielson you'd be painfully aware of that), our timing between the QB and receivers is a little rusty, they can't stop our run game, and most importantly - they weren't a threat to score much against our defense. So, once again, there were compelling reasons not to go wide open on attack. I think we may see a different story this coming weekend. Arkansas has the best offense we'll have seen this year. Our defense will get a true test. They haven't been very good on defense save the first half against Auburn on Saturday. Our playmakers are healthy and practicing. If we are conserative on offense then I may have to accept the fact that we're either not that dynamic, or are just truly afraid to take chances. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? 1 - Seriously? Since the season began we have lost one OL to injury for the season - Patchan. Everybody plays with dinged OL to some extent - that is, IMO, an overblown concern. 2-Possibly, but maybe not. That is of course the main concern with us being too one dimensional. But statistically, we have the most efficient (not the most prolific) passing offense in the country, so when we pick our spots, we're pretty successful. Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Go back and look at how many times we ran the dive
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
The replay looked like Coop was running the fly pattern and TT threw the out. Coop looked open because the DB had already broken on the throw. My guess is Coop read one thing TT read another. It happens. Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Badrish Davanagere Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:03 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination I would like to see our OC making use of so much talent on our team. And what about that dumb INT that TT threw? I know it looked like his mistake and Coop was all open. Bad underthrow? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with the ball control/field position style of game. That's just me. I do not like close games with the Gators. It's exciting with other teams, but my heart can't take much more of that. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:02 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
Not even with the help of financial mystics can I rise to your poor level in Pickem. I am doomed. A. Leon Polhill, GatorFriends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Ken Kirkley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:57:34 AMSubject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastinationThat's my way of trying to make a comeback in Pick'em - give lousy advice so everyone else comes down to my level.Ken KMNGatorFrom: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay CiconeSent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:43 AMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastinationWHAT??? Listening to your prediction would be like taking marital advise from a guy who’s been divorced 6 times. -Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game.. - Homecoming will be a great game. We will need some offense in this one as the Arky offense is for real. I don't think they will be able to score at will, but wouldn't be suprised to see them put up 16-20 points. My early prediction UF 31 Arky 13. Ken KMNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
Moody averaged 7 yards a carry (6 for 42) and Demps averaged around 5, IIRC (16 for 86). Both lower than their season averages, but Moody's still better (and less of a fall-off). That said, I don't think the issue is as much the carries for Demps when opposing defenses stack the box, as it is Rainey (4 for 11) and especially Brandon James (3 carries for 1 yard). -Zeb On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: > Moody’s numbers for the game were lower. > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > Real Estate Broker > Bob Parks Realty > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > Gallatin TN 37066 > Phone: 615-826-4040 > Fax: 615-822-2027 > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:11 AM > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > > Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... > > Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry > Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry > Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry > Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry > > Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for > a loss. > > Ken K > MNGator > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > > Lot’s of good points. Yes, Pick’em is a dumb game. I’m never > playing again! > Demps is getting the ball more because he’s averaging 7 yards a > carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. > We’re playing a conservative offense because it’s working. We > don’t have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 > points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us > all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn’t > care if they scored. > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > Real Estate Broker > Bob Parks Realty > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > Gallatin TN 37066 > Phone: 615-826-4040 > Fax: 615-822-2027 > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > > > - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the > perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the > side... > > > Ken K > MNGator > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
Somebody said later he was trying to throw it out of bounds. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Badrish Davanagere Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:02:46 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination I would like to see our OC making use of so much talent on our team. And what about that dumb INT that TT threw? I know it looked like his mistake and Coop was all open. Bad underthrow? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: > *Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with the > ball control/field position style of game. That’s just me. I do not like > close games with the Gators. It’s exciting with other teams, but my heart > can’t take much more of that.* > > * * > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Oliver Barry > *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2009 12:02 PM > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > > > > Lot’s of good points. Yes, Pick’em is a dumb game. I’m never playing > again! > > Demps is getting the ball more because he’s averaging 7 yards a carry. > Moody is averaging 3 or 4. > > We’re playing a conservative offense because it’s working. We don’t have > to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. > There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were > both late in the game when we didn’t care if they scored. > > > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > Bob Parks Realty > > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > > Gallatin TN 37066 > > Phone: 615-826-4040 > > Fax: 615-822-2027 > > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > > > -- > > > > > > - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect > game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... > > > > > > *Ken K* > > *MNGator* > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I would like to see our OC making use of so much talent on our team. And what about that dumb INT that TT threw? I know it looked like his mistake and Coop was all open. Bad underthrow? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: > *Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with the > ball control/field position style of game. That’s just me. I do not like > close games with the Gators. It’s exciting with other teams, but my heart > can’t take much more of that.* > > * * > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Oliver Barry > *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2009 12:02 PM > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination > > > > Lot’s of good points. Yes, Pick’em is a dumb game. I’m never playing > again! > > Demps is getting the ball more because he’s averaging 7 yards a carry. > Moody is averaging 3 or 4. > > We’re playing a conservative offense because it’s working. We don’t have > to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. > There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were > both late in the game when we didn’t care if they scored. > > > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > Bob Parks Realty > > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > > Gallatin TN 37066 > > Phone: 615-826-4040 > > Fax: 615-822-2027 > > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > > > -- > > > > > > - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect > game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... > > > > > > *Ken K* > > *MNGator* > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Absolutely. You could almost count on the score being 21 to zip at the
end of the first quarter.
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cecilia
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:54 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
I tend to agree, Jay, but then I have to remind myself that this is
Urban Meyer's team now, not Steve Spurrier's. And for that, I am
thankful. I think we just got spoiled with SOS's penchant for piling on
the points. It sure was fun to watch, wasn't it?
Cee
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To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination
Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with
the ball control/field position style of game. That's just me. I do not
like close games with the Gators. It's exciting with other teams, but my
heart can't take much more of that.
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I tend to agree, Jay, but then I have to remind myself that this is Urban Meyer's team now, not Steve Spurrier's. And for that, I am thankful. I think we just got spoiled with SOS's penchant for piling on the points. It sure was fun to watch, wasn't it? Cee - Original Message - From: Jay Cicone To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with the ball control/field position style of game. That's just me. I do not like close games with the Gators. It's exciting with other teams, but my heart can't take much more of that. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:02 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -- - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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LOL. I was thinking the same thing but thought it was awfully clever of Ken to position those points first and last so maybe the less observant wouldn't notice the incongruity. ;-) Cee - Original Message - From: Jay Cicone To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination WHAT??? Listening to your prediction would be like taking marital advise from a guy who's been divorced 6 times. -Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game.. - Homecoming will be a great game. We will need some offense in this one as the Arky offense is for real. I don't think they will be able to score at will, but wouldn't be suprised to see them put up 16-20 points. My early prediction UF 31 Arky 13. Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Disclaimer (1) - A lot of this may sound like apologist reasoning in support of the coaches. Nothing new here - those of you that have been on the list long enough may remember that I was classified as belong to "the pollyannas" during "the dark years" :) Disclaimer (2) - It may seem that I like to pick on Keith a lot. Not really, for some reason his comments often motivate me to add mine. Those being said: is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? I doubt it - Urbam has input, and final approval on all plays that are called. If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Coach Meyer, in his post game press conference said that he had hoped to be more balanced by this point in the season. I read a post on a message board this morning that I'm going to borrow from heavily here (conceptually anyway), as I agreed with a lot of the points the poster made (as to why we haven't seen "more" out of our playbook). First two games =cupcake city. No reason to play anything but vanilla. Against CSU not only did we substitute early and deeply we only ran two sets on defense and maybe four plays on offense. Troy was much the same, only we opened up the defense a little more so that the players could practice some of the schemes "live". Tennessee's offense didn't scare us too much (although they did run the ball, especially in the first half, with more success than I thought they'd have). Their defense basically dared us to run as they were set up to defend against the deep ball/big plays. Meyer is no 90's era Spurrier - who often stubbornly tried to throw the ball downfield rather than take what the defense was giving up. As long as we could run the ball and Tennessee could not hit big plays, it made sense to shorten the game and let the Vols have their moral victory. For one quarter in Kentucky we saw what this team is capable of. I can't help but think that Meyer's friendship with Rich Brooks kept him from exercising the full offense even more. Even then we had a flu-ravaged team and our primary speed receiver, Deonte thompson, missed his second consecutive game with a strained hamstring. Fast forward to LSU. Deonte is back and healthy, but we've had two weeks of uncertainty as to whether or not Tebow would be able to play. He did, but missed valuable practice time (as well as personal conditioning) and once he was cleared to practice he was splitting reps with Brantley because there was no guarantee that he'd be cleared to play in the game. So we face an LSU defense who's strength is their back seven (if you weren't muting Danielson you'd be painfully aware of that), our timing between the QB and receivers is a little rusty, they can't stop our run game, and most importantly - they weren't a threat to score much against our defense. So, once again, there were compelling reasons not to go wide open on attack. I think we may see a different story this coming weekend. Arkansas has the best offense we'll have seen this year. Our defense will get a true test. They haven't been very good on defense save the first half against Auburn on Saturday. Our playmakers are healthy and practicing. If we are conserative on offense then I may have to accept the fact that we're either not that dynamic, or are just truly afraid to take chances. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? 1 - Seriously? Since the season began we have lost one OL to injury for the season - Patchan. Everybody plays with dinged OL to some extent - that is, IMO, an overblown concern. 2-Possibly, but maybe not. That is of course the main concern with us being too one dimensional. But statistically, we have the most efficient (not the most prolific) passing offense in the country, so when we pick our spots, we're pretty successful. Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Go back and look at how many times we ran the dive play on Saturday night with Demps and Rainey. Count how many plays went for more than five yards and how many went for a loss. I don't know the numbers, but from my recollection I'd bet that it would make you re-think that last sentence. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. We're slowly (too slowly in my opinion) seeing an increase in Moody's work load. He has the best rushing average with backs with at least 20 carries, and the
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Moody's numbers for the game were lower. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:11 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for a loss. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator
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Where are you getting that stat? I don't buy it. Yes, Woody Hayes loved the 3 yards and a cloud of dust style of football. That is not the type of football that will continue to attract recruits to the spread option though. And when you run the ball 3 things can happen and two of them are bad (Run for a gain, Tackled for a loss, Fumble), so that doesn't make much sense, especially when you have a QB that does not have a propensity towards throwing INTs. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:10 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination We were getting 6 yards a carry on the dive play. Why throw it down field when you can do that? I can hear Woody Hayes talking to Meyer from the grave. "Only 3 things can happen when you throw a pass, and 2 of them are bad!" Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:06 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination I'm not buying the RUTS argument. I think we would gladly take more points. Originally the story was we run the dive play in the first 15-20 snaps to see who on defense reacts (who takes the QB, TE, RB, etc) But as the game progresses and that is still a staple, I don't know. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Im not sure they are tryin to RUTS at all in the big games.. i think their entire game plan is to control the clock. Thats why we kept seeing all those dive plays... Im not sure if they are holding back in anticipation of having to Play Bama and not showing them the full slate of plays or what... And Oliver will love this... one of the big bosses i work with here... just stopped by THINKING i would just rub it in about the puppies losin to Tennessee... but I didnt say anything... not ONE word... (i only do that if i am provoked..) but she mentioned pulling her alumni $$ support if Bobo and Martinez arent fired. lol WHEW... the puppies are FIRED up this week ladies and gents... Woody On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote: Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am To: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run
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I agree. Take as long as you want driving the ball down the field. I don't care. Just score a touchdown at the end of the drive. Give me some relief from the stress, please. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: "Jay Cicone" Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:06:55 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with the ball control/field position style of game. That's just me. I do not like close games with the Gators. It's exciting with other teams, but my heart can't take much more of that. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:02 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Oh, it was a boring game to everyone else but us. Meyer may say he's an offensive coach, but he's the guy who recruited this defense. And, as scary as it seemed to us, the Gators were in complete control of the game. Even when LSU got the momentum and drove down the field, they could only come up with 3 points. I'd like to see more points too, but this is Gator football now. It's a lot like 2006. I'm glad we don't play Auburn! Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with the ball control/field position style of game. That's just me. I do not like close games with the Gators. It's exciting with other teams, but my heart can't take much more of that. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:02 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Actually, Moody is leading in average yards per carry... Demps 44 attempts, 390 yards 8.9 per carry Tebow 72 attempts, 309 yards 4.3 per carry Rainey 35 attempts 272 yards 7.8 per carry Moody 24 attempts 230 yards 9.6 per carry Also, Moody is the only running back that has yet to be tackled for a loss. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:02 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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We were getting 6 yards a carry on the dive play. Why throw it down field when you can do that? I can hear Woody Hayes talking to Meyer from the grave. "Only 3 things can happen when you throw a pass, and 2 of them are bad!" Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:06 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination I'm not buying the RUTS argument. I think we would gladly take more points. Originally the story was we run the dive play in the first 15-20 snaps to see who on defense reacts (who takes the QB, TE, RB, etc) But as the game progresses and that is still a staple, I don't know. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Im not sure they are tryin to RUTS at all in the big games.. i think their entire game plan is to control the clock. Thats why we kept seeing all those dive plays... Im not sure if they are holding back in anticipation of having to Play Bama and not showing them the full slate of plays or what... And Oliver will love this... one of the big bosses i work with here... just stopped by THINKING i would just rub it in about the puppies losin to Tennessee... but I didnt say anything... not ONE word... (i only do that if i am provoked..) but she mentioned pulling her alumni $$ support if Bobo and Martinez arent fired. lol WHEW... the puppies are FIRED up this week ladies and gents... Woody On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote: Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am To: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing the short passes for the most part. - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will get called on that soon. - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't slow our O-line
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Very true, but I would like to see more points to go along with the ball control/field position style of game. That's just me. I do not like close games with the Gators. It's exciting with other teams, but my heart can't take much more of that. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:02 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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That's exactly right. Alabama didn't run up the score much on Ole Miss and they moved ahead of Texas this week. They're going to be tough to beat this time, but we can do it. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hileman Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination The one (and only, in my opinion) advantage of being ranked pre-season number one is that you DON'T have to go for style points or run-up the score. You just have to win, period. You also don't have to hope for someone else to lose. As long as you're #1 and don't lose, you will stay #1. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Woody Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Importance: Low Im not sure they are tryin to RUTS at all in the big games.. i think their entire game plan is to control the clock. Thats why we kept seeing all those dive plays... Im not sure if they are holding back in anticipation of having to Play Bama and not showing them the full slate of plays or what... And Oliver will love this... one of the big bosses i work with here... just stopped by THINKING i would just rub it in about the puppies losin to Tennessee... but I didnt say anything... not ONE word... (i only do that if i am provoked..) but she mentioned pulling her alumni $$ support if Bobo and Martinez arent fired. lol WHEW... the puppies are FIRED up this week ladies and gents... Woody On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote: Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am To: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing the short passes for the most part. - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will get called on that soon. - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't slow our O-line down because Pouncey sim
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I'm not buying the RUTS argument. I think we would gladly take more points. Originally the story was we run the dive play in the first 15-20 snaps to see who on defense reacts (who takes the QB, TE, RB, etc) But as the game progresses and that is still a staple, I don't know. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Im not sure they are tryin to RUTS at all in the big games.. i think their entire game plan is to control the clock. Thats why we kept seeing all those dive plays... Im not sure if they are holding back in anticipation of having to Play Bama and not showing them the full slate of plays or what... And Oliver will love this... one of the big bosses i work with here... just stopped by THINKING i would just rub it in about the puppies losin to Tennessee... but I didnt say anything... not ONE word... (i only do that if i am provoked..) but she mentioned pulling her alumni $$ support if Bobo and Martinez arent fired. lol WHEW... the puppies are FIRED up this week ladies and gents... Woody On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote: Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am To: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing the short passes for the most part. - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will get called on that soon. - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't slow our O-line down because Pouncey simply changed his head movement to up and down instead of sideways. - Don't like the stomping of the logo at all. We have derided SOW and Scum for years for these antics, let us not do that. I get that we gather at midfield and the jumping is not so much a taunt but youthful exuberance, but we should gather in front of our fans or at the 30. It just looks bad to do it at fifty. - Red zone play calling is atrocious. I know we shouldn't criticize after a win, yes we have a top 10 offense, blah, blah, blah. When we get to the red zone, we shut it down, it is almost like watching an NFL game. I don't know offhand what our red zone percentage i
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Ooh. that's not good. When the alumni start pulling the money out the coach gets fired. Who's Georgia playing this week? We need to send Richt some support. Oh, never mind, let 'em lose again!! :-) Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Im not sure they are tryin to RUTS at all in the big games.. i think their entire game plan is to control the clock. Thats why we kept seeing all those dive plays... Im not sure if they are holding back in anticipation of having to Play Bama and not showing them the full slate of plays or what... And Oliver will love this... one of the big bosses i work with here... just stopped by THINKING i would just rub it in about the puppies losin to Tennessee... but I didnt say anything... not ONE word... (i only do that if i am provoked..) but she mentioned pulling her alumni $$ support if Bobo and Martinez arent fired. lol WHEW... the puppies are FIRED up this week ladies and gents... Woody On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote: Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am To: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing the short passes for the most part. - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will get called on that soon. - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't slow our O-line down because Pouncey simply changed his head movement to up and down instead of sideways. - Don't like the stomping of the logo at all. We have derided SOW and Scum for years for these antics, let us not do that. I get that we gather at midfield and the jumping is not so much a taunt but youthful exuberance, but we should gather in front of our fans or at the 30. It just looks bad to do it at fifty. - Red zone play calling is atrocious. I know we shouldn't criticize after a win, yes we have a top 10 offense, blah, blah, blah. When we get to
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Lot's of good points. Yes, Pick'em is a dumb game. I'm never playing again! Demps is getting the ball more because he's averaging 7 yards a carry. Moody is averaging 3 or 4. We're playing a conservative offense because it's working. We don't have to rack up lots of points. Our defense only allowed 3 points Saturday. There have only been 2 touchdowns scored on us all season. And those were both late in the game when we didn't care if they scored. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Too bad one of the pick 'em results isn't based on a coin toss. Could be leading the board. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:58 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination That's my way of trying to make a comeback in Pick'em - give lousy advice so everyone else comes down to my level. Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:43 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination WHAT??? Listening to your prediction would be like taking marital advise from a guy who's been divorced 6 times. -Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game.. - Homecoming will be a great game. We will need some offense in this one as the Arky offense is for real. I don't think they will be able to score at will, but wouldn't be suprised to see them put up 16-20 points. My early prediction UF 31 Arky 13. Ken K MNGator
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The one (and only, in my opinion) advantage of being ranked pre-season number one is that you DON'T have to go for style points or run-up the score. You just have to win, period. You also don't have to hope for someone else to lose. As long as you're #1 and don't lose, you will stay #1. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Woody Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Importance: Low Im not sure they are tryin to RUTS at all in the big games.. i think their entire game plan is to control the clock. Thats why we kept seeing all those dive plays... Im not sure if they are holding back in anticipation of having to Play Bama and not showing them the full slate of plays or what... And Oliver will love this... one of the big bosses i work with here... just stopped by THINKING i would just rub it in about the puppies losin to Tennessee... but I didnt say anything... not ONE word... (i only do that if i am provoked..) but she mentioned pulling her alumni $$ support if Bobo and Martinez arent fired. lol WHEW... the puppies are FIRED up this week ladies and gents... Woody On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote: Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am To: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing the short passes for the most part. - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will get called on that soon. - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't slow our O-line down because Pouncey simply changed his head movement to up and down instead of sideways. - Don't like the stomping of the logo at all. We have derided SOW and Scum for years for these antics, let us not do that. I get that we gather at midfield and the jumping is not so much a taunt but youthful exuberance, but we should gather in front of our fans or at the 30. It just looks bad to do it at fifty. - Red zone play calling is atrocious. I know we shouldn't criticize after a win, yes we have a top 10 offense, blah, blah, blah.
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I think the conservative playcalling is not trusting the WRs to make plays. Or it could be not trusting Tebow to get the ball in the zone. The argument that teams are playing a 2 deep zone on us doesn't hold up, because most of the time we have seen man coverage with 7 or 8 in the box. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am To: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing the short passes for the most part. - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will get called on that soon. - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't slow our O-line down because Pouncey simply changed his head movement to up and down instead of sideways. - Don't like the stomping of the logo at all. We have derided SOW and Scum for years for these antics, let us not do that. I get that we gather at midfield and the jumping is not so much a taunt but youthful exuberance, but we should gather in front of our fans or at the 30. It just looks bad to do it at fifty. - Red zone play calling is atrocious. I know we shouldn't criticize after a win, yes we have a top 10 offense, blah, blah, blah. When we get to the red zone, we shut it down, it is almost like watching an NFL game. I don't know offhand what our red zone percentage is this year versus last, but I bet it is a lot lower in terms of TDs scored. Yes, we are missing Harvin (or is it Harvey) and Murphy, but they weren't our primary red zone targets. - Does anyone else feel that Tebow is throwing worse this year than he ever has? His delivery hasn't changed and that is fine, it is what it is. While every now and then he throws a nice tight spiral, it seems that many of the balls he throws, especially the deep throws come out wobbling. Could he still have shoulder issues? - Feels great to be 5-0. Ugaly lost and that is always good. If Kitten had to win an SEC game, no better way than to blow out Ugaly! This basically gives us a two game cushion for the SECE with 5 to
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That's my way of trying to make a comeback in Pick'em - give lousy advice so everyone else comes down to my level. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:43 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Monday morning procrastination WHAT??? Listening to your prediction would be like taking marital advise from a guy who's been divorced 6 times. -Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game.. - Homecoming will be a great game. We will need some offense in this one as the Arky offense is for real. I don't think they will be able to score at will, but wouldn't be suprised to see them put up 16-20 points. My early prediction UF 31 Arky 13. Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Im not sure they are tryin to RUTS at all in the big games.. i think their entire game plan is to control the clock. Thats why we kept seeing all those dive plays... Im not sure if they are holding back in anticipation of having to Play Bama and not showing them the full slate of plays or what... And Oliver will love this... one of the big bosses i work with here... just stopped by THINKING i would just rub it in about the puppies losin to Tennessee... but I didnt say anything... not ONE word... (i only do that if i am provoked..) but she mentioned pulling her alumni $$ support if Bobo and Martinez arent fired. lol WHEW... the puppies are FIRED up this week ladies and gents... Woody On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote: > Good points ... > > is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive > coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see > a lot more passes? > > If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I > would feel that we were more unpredictable. > > Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. > > My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can > our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? > > Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not > convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the > OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it > is usually lost yardage. > > Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. > But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. > > > > > Original Message > Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastination > From: "Ken Kirkley" > Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 am > To: > > - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in > pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid > game... > > - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was > a defensive win. > > - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I > wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our > dominance on teams this way? > > - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different > point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought > great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! > > - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking > points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing > our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) > > - Greg Doyle is a tool. > > - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect > game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... > > - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 > of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the > pretenders. > > - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make > the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing > the short passes for the most part. > > - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will > get called on that soon. > > - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to > move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed > Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then > called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting > another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs > were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't > slow our O-line down because Pouncey simply changed his head movement to up > and down instead of sideways. > > - Don't like the stomping of the logo at all. We have derided SOW and Scum > for years for these antics, let us not do that. I get that we gather at > midfield and the jumping is not so much a taunt but youthful exuberance, but > we should gather in front of our fans or at the 30. It just looks bad to do > it at fifty. > > - Red zone play calling is atrocious. I know we shouldn't criticize after > a win, yes we have a top 10 offense, blah, blah, blah. When we get to the > red zone, we shut it down, it is almost like watching an NFL game. I don't > know offhand what our red zone percentage is this year versus last, but I > bet it is a lot lower in terms of TDs scored. Yes, we are missing Harvin > (or is it Harvey) and Murphy, but they weren't our primary red zone targets. > > - Does anyone else feel that Tebow is throwing worse this year than he ever > has? His delivery hasn't changed and that is fine, it is what it is. While > every now and then he throws a nice tight spiral, it seems that many of the > balls he throws, especially the deep throws come out wobbling. Could he > still hav
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WHAT??? Listening to your prediction would be like taking marital advise from a guy who's been divorced 6 times. -Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game.. - Homecoming will be a great game. We will need some offense in this one as the Arky offense is for real. I don't think they will be able to score at will, but wouldn't be suprised to see them put up 16-20 points. My early prediction UF 31 Arky 13. Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Good points ... is this conservative play calling because Adazio is our new offensive coordinator and OL coach? If Gonzales (WR coach) were our OC - would we see a lot more passes? If we were mixing the run and pass more - I would feel more comfortable. I would feel that we were more unpredictable. Our OL is great, and probably better than most other DLs. My concern is - (1) injuries for our OL are starting to mount and (2) can our OL blow holes in a great defense like Alabama? Demps, Rainey, and James are great one on one with DBs - I am still not convinced that they can run through takles at the line of scrimmage. If the OL blows huge holes and gets them past the LBers - then great. Otherwise it is usually lost yardage. Moody, Chris Scott, Gillislee - I think could break most of the tackles. But we rarely see Moody and never see the other two except mop up duty. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Monday morning procrastinationFrom: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Mon, October 12, 2009 11:14 amTo: - Great weekend of football, don't know yet, but I think I went 1-11 in pick'em. Getting closer to Oliver's point of view that it is a stupid game... - Great win by the Gators, all the focus was on Tebow, but really this was a defensive win. - Me thinks that the coaching staff was a little too conservative. I wonder if we were 4th or 5th in the polls, would we be exerting our dominance on teams this way? - While I've been called a mother before, I definitely had a different point of view on Tebow getting hit. When the first hit came, I thought great, now he has that out the way and can start playing like Timmy! - I like Danielson, think he does a great job. Yes he has his talking points, but he is still better than the rest. Who else would you want doing our game? (and Mic Hubert isn't allowed) - Greg Doyle is a tool. - Why can't we see Moody get more touches? I thought this was the perfect game for that to happen, but on 3rd and short he is on the side... - Anyone think Less Miles is claiming a moral victory for staying within 10 of the Gators? That is what separates the true contenders from the pretenders. - While I appreciate our ability to run the ball at will, we need to make the downfield passing game work. We had receivers open, but kept throwing the short passes for the most part. - Love the 'slingshot' move our receivers use to get open, but they will get called on that soon. - Les Miles won over the refs with his rants. The Center is allowed to move his head as long as he isn't simulating the snap. The refs allowed Pouncey to snap his head to the left for the entire first half and then called the penalty on the second play of the second half (while letting another defensive encroachment penalty slide on the 1st down). The refs were cowed by Less. And regardless what the announcers said, this didn't slow our O-line down because Pouncey simply changed his head movement to up and down instead of sideways. - Don't like the stomping of the logo at all. We have derided SOW and Scum for years for these antics, let us not do that. I get that we gather at midfield and the jumping is not so much a taunt but youthful exuberance, but we should gather in front of our fans or at the 30. It just looks bad to do it at fifty. - Red zone play calling is atrocious. I know we shouldn't criticize after a win, yes we have a top 10 offense, blah, blah, blah. When we get to the red zone, we shut it down, it is almost like watching an NFL game. I don't know offhand what our red zone percentage is this year versus last, but I bet it is a lot lower in terms of TDs scored. Yes, we are missing Harvin (or is it Harvey) and Murphy, but they weren't our primary red zone targets. - Does anyone else feel that Tebow is throwing worse this year than he ever has? His delivery hasn't changed and that is fine, it is what it is. While every now and then he throws a nice tight spiral, it seems that many of the balls he throws, especially the deep throws come out wobbling. Could he still have shoulder issues? - Feels great to be 5-0. Ugaly lost and that is always good. If Kitten had to win an SEC game, no better way than to blow out Ugaly! This basically gives us a two game cushion for the SECE with 5 to go. Not a bad position to be in. - Homecoming will be a great game. We will need some offense in this one as the Arky offense is for real. I don't think they will be able to score at will, but wouldn't be suprised to see them put up 16-20 points. My early prediction UF 31 Arky 13. Ken K MNGator --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spu
