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Re: g_b Please Wish Me Good Luck!!

2006-03-12 Thread Mukerjee Deven
Dear Walnut,
 Even though I may have an inkling of what
situation U might be in (or perhaps, maybe not), I
still wish u all the luck in the world  wish that u
come out with flying colors, in ur endeavour(s). May
God be with youand DO inform us abt. whatever
happened, whenever U deem fit.


Take care !!!

Best of luck !!!

Amadeus
:-)
--- walnut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Friends, Good Morning! From today onwards I will be entering the toughest 
phase of my life and it would definitely have some, either stronger or lighter, 
impact on my personal life, physical health and metal peace! I am bit nervous 
and scared of the repercussions and still see no clue of whats gonna happen 
next in the darkness ahead. I am so nervous that I can not share this personal 
thing with you all, at this point of time, and some of you who know me very 
well, know what I am going through. I am writing this email because there is no 
one close to me other than the group members, and I find this group like my 
family when I am low, disheartened and disappointed. I would definitely share 
my experience with everyone, the moment the tough part is over, but to overcome 
this challenge I need your best wishes, blessings and moral support. I would 
continue to lead my normal life but from within I would always be worried, 
scared and broken. Please pray for me to your God, Allah, Bhagvan everyone and 
wish that I come out winning with flying colours! I need your support. With 
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Re: g_b Let the whole world say that gay can not have sex with females

2006-03-12 Thread asrg_3
--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Sumeet Mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Hi! sumeet. I want to thank you for your concern with me. Now I know that I am 
not alone and there are so many people like me adjusting and struggling for the 
good. I'll try to be in touch with you. Thanks to Abbey also. Hey Sonub!

I clearly mentioned that its my point of view. Again the man was in need of 
help. I tried helping him the way I felt appropriate. What have you helped him 
with? I have certainly not made you my judge. Again I dont require you consent 
to be in this list.

For guys like you is easy to say. Its rightly said Its easy to be brave from 
far. You are just behaving like a spectator. Want to see how the person is 
getting destroyed. None of you guys can lend a helping hand to those guys like 
him.

Have you ever thought why guys marry? and, Why gays marry?

No gay marry's willingly. You might be having different family atmosphere and 
might be from broad minded society. And if you are from conservative family, as 
you mentioned, then you are very selfish. And again being a gay what big 
achievement have you made? Increased the list of guys with whom you got around, 
at cost of your parents health, who have giving you birth and made you capable 
enough to stand on your feet and oppose them?

For those of you who are married...you can spend the rest of your life 
adjusting and rubbing your wife's cheeks or acknowledge the clossal mistake 
you have made and go your separate ways. Acknowledge that you are not a 
perfect husband like heteros and a hetro is what any straight woman deserves, 
while you are respnsible for denying her that.

Adjustment is part of every one's life. We all have to adjust in every walk of 
life, be it work field, family, friends so what big deal if its marriage. Every 
one is doing that. Even hetros have to do. For your and others information: 
woman have more sexual desire than man. Thus even hetros find it diffucult in 
satisfying woman. A woman's appetite is twice that of a man's; her sexual 
desire, four times; her intelligence, eight times But anyways why am I banging 
my head with you? To who ever I wanted to help, its reached. Even other guys 
have liked my advise. I am not concerned with guys like you. Your attitude is 
very selfish. You just think about your self.

Infact I have found people like you in this group. You'll live in fantasies. 
You'll have just one thing to say How can you spoil a girl's life? But its 
what you feel. Your point of view. Unlike hetros we dont have mutiple females. 
One woman one life. More dedicated towards her. Atleast we have a family. 
Because Nature's rule-man and woman only can give birth to a child, no two 
gays/lesbains can ever give birth to a child. This truth no one can deny.

One side you show you dont want to spoil any girl's life and other side what 
are you doing with your parents?

Actually you dont want to marry a girl because then you will be deprived from 
your freedom of having sex with guys. You are actually not concerned neither 
with your parents nor with anyone else. Its only to show world how good you are 
and what good thoughts you have. Because if you would be really concerned and 
responsible then you would certainly not let your parents be in misery, as you 
mentioned. Guys like you run away from responsibilties. You may have many 
excuses to prove your self right, but excuses are after excuses. But the bottom 
line is that you are wrong. I do not want to argue any further on this topic.

Regards, Sumeet

Sonub Jalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arent you contradicting yourself? Sex 
is in the mind and still at heart we are gay...who are you fooling? If you 
have indeed attained intimacy with your wife (proving that it is possible) then 
why the need to be here?

I dont know under what circumstances you have had to marry and I will not like 
to sit in judgement of your actions. But this is definitely not the advise you 
can give to people who are under pressure to get married to a woman. What such 
people (people like me) need to know is that you will then be using a woman's 
life to experiment. You are living in denial about what you and she needs and 
someday you will not be able to live the pretence any longer.

For those of you who are married...you can spend the rest of your life 
adjusting and rubbing your wife's cheeks or acknowledge the clossal mistake 
you have made and go your separate ways. Acknowledge that you are not a 
perfect husband like heteros and a hetro is what any straight woman deserves, 
while you are respnsible for denying her that.

And then maybe some of you married guys have been lucky in that your wife has 
waited long enough for you to get physical as if it means nothing to you as 
would between two friends. I know of women who kicked the living daylights out 
of their husbands for not being good enough. Lots of rounds to hospitals to 
cure their impotency. So dont you dare make your plight a 

Re: g_b should two peoples individuality be sacrificed to make parents happy?

2006-03-12 Thread Geoffrey Heaviside
Dear list readers,

It is interesting that in this list there are many whose whole existence is 
to be an extension of the family into which they were born and to satisfy 
the wishes of that set of family values without thought for self or partner.

Let me say from three decades of experience that this doesn't succeed and 
the hundreds of ex-pat indians studying here in my city are proving that it 
isn't necessary or followed much either.

There is another myth apparent here in this list that gay kids in gay 
relationships can't have kids and satisfy the grandparents with 
grandchildren.
This is also not true. Gays parenting is a weekly occurrence in Australia 
and elsewhere where gay relationships are recognised and respected.

Why are we not hearing from the women who married gay men without their 
knowledge, or are they still just meant to be seen and not heard ?

Human beings are created as worthwhile individuals with bodies, minds and 
spirits or their own. They are not an extension of their parents. Parents 
fortunate enough to have gay kids need to recognise that this privilege is 
not something that can be the experience of all because only 10 out of every 
hundred births come into the world with that propensity. Not all follow 
their instincts of course and with extensive contacts with such closetted 
gay men whose present age is over 50 in India today I find that they are not 
fulfilling all that they are capable of or have been created to become.

Pregnancy for those who find themselves in the position of being married to 
a gay husband who can't consumate the marriage is possible however, as is 
the potential to have orgasmic fun in bed with their partners, even without 
intercourse. In fact many women who have relied on intercourse for orgasmic 
pleasure are still waiting even after many decades of traditional sexual 
practice with their husbands.

I am also a bit concerned that the therapeutic potential that this list 
provides is being white-anted by those with black and white opinions. It 
would be better if people commented on how they perceive they feel about a 
given situation rather than how other people should be thinking and then let 
people see where they fit in the discussion rather than feel bad about the 
obvious diatribe that comes through occasionally.

I would also be interested in opinions on the subject of arranged marriages 
versus love marriages for those readers of this list. One of my heros is a 
high caste Brahman indian who successfully married his tribal indian 
childhood sweetheart and now are producing acceptable grandchildren. It was 
a very traumatic experience for the paternal grandparents but the outcome is 
one of the sweetest love stories of all time which the husband and I shared 
over coffee in the Singapore airport. So much for the so called honour bound 
purpose of being children in a family. Some in India live for family and 
some die prematurely because of the nature of family honour. Fortunately 
some people chose not to live according to family traditions because they 
are traditions not worth emulating. One that comes  to mind is educating 
only the male child regardless of the skills and potential that the female 
child might have. Hopefully more options might be available for gay siblings 
as we all share experiences. One of the present day traditions for the cure 
of lesbians in some cultures is forced gang rape by males in a community 
setting as a re-conditioning process, and the trauma of a gay man being 
coerced into sexually penetrating a women to whom he was forceably married 
in the name of tradition is a form of similar human rights abuse.

Geoffrey



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that palliative to satisfy the conscience and keep the same old system of 
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g_b Mar 12 humsafar meet a JOKE???

2006-03-12 Thread mountain_goat9
   Was the sunday high announced for Mar 12 some kind of a joke? I went 
there at around 5:30 but there was no one there at Humsafar! Nitin can 
you please tall me what happened?
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g_b give a thought please...

2006-03-12 Thread Neil
Hi guys,

There has been a lot of making sacrifices for parents/ marriage 
etc going on in this group lately. I felt I need to make my 
personal opinions here.

Marriage/Relationship to me is leading a life with the one you could 
share yourself completely with. Its just about the reason why you 
should get back home instead of going for a movie or for any other 
entertainment after work. Its really about something that could make 
you feel happy and let worries vanish when you see the face of your 
love. This has been the definition for marriage or relationship, 
whatever you may call it, for centuries now.

Ask yourself this: Are you happy about marrying someone and ruin the 
concept of relationships. All you would have in mind is about how 
would it be with this woman next to you all the time. Gays 
necessarily find a connectivity with other men. You really can't 
stay with a woman all your life just because your parents say so. Do 
you know how many lives you could ruin by marrying someone
whom you cannot share yourself completely with? Don't you think this 
is also a kind of cheating? I am sure most married gays will accept 
that they try to have some sort of out of marriage relationship.
Now, are you not cheating 1. physically, 2. emotionally (if you 
found a guy as ur true love at some point of time) Look at the 
future... an unstatisfied wife, unstaisfied parents and parents in 
law. Kids may get unstatisfied at some point of time because you 
don't necessarily spend enough time with them.

Than going through all these and then ruining everyones life around 
you and in effect, ruining your own life too, I feel its the best to 
just move out and then come out to your family and say This is how 
I am, This is how I was and This is the way I continue to be. My 
love towards you (parents/siblings) did not decrease just because I 
thought  of rejection. There may be times when we had problems 
because I was trying to find the meaning of what I was going through 
and I hope that this would not decrease your love towards me

Believe me guys, this is not just story. This really works. Parents 
would always want to see their children happy. They force us to get 
married because they want us to be happy. There is no parent I have 
found till date who wants to doom their childs life. But, this time 
theres a difference. The difference is in the fact that they dont 
know that they are making a wrong choice for your life.
They just go ahead to think that they are right as usual. But, 
believe me, its a son/ daughters duty to pull parents back to track 
when you feel that there is something wrong going on. I feel you vow 
this responsibility to pull your parents back to track to tell them 
that their goal: SEEING CHILDREN STAY HAPPY is being accomplished 
completely.

To top this all, dont decieve yourself. How long can you live in a 
relationship you dont respect How long can you lead a life you dont 
really like from heart. Think about it. Ask yourself. You get the 
right answer.

Regards,
Neil

PS: Am sorry if I have offended anyone. Just thought I need to put 
in some stuff.








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Re: g_b can't we make this sacrifice, to make our parents happy?

2006-03-12 Thread coolclump
hi sumeet,

 i think i'm kinda young to be discussing my marriage and it's not 
tat i'll do wat ppl say me. it's not tat i'll or will not marry if 
someone told me to or not to. it's just tat i wanted to check u 
guys' responses. cuz, being an amature, i'm kinda clueless abt how 
my future is gonna be, as far as my familial life is concerned.
u can also view my prior mail as some kinda survey...
it's just tat i wanna find out how many ppl take decisions with 
conviction and are not in any kinda internal or external conflict.
  
 coincidentally, i happened to read a message in GB , which just 
contained wat i wrote in my previous mail and the response by 
Mr.Ganesh(GB grp) indeed helped me to get a clear picture...
and thanks for ur advice too, sumeet. i'll give a hear to everyone 
but i'll let my mind be mine...
:))

cheers...
v.

--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Sumeet Mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Hi Coolclump!

Here i wolud like to tell you just one thing

Give a hear to everyone but let your mind be with you

As far as asking opinion you will get many opinions, but will you be able to 
take any decision on that grounds? I certainly do think so and again it would 
be not fair enough on your part. You would marry because someone told you? or 
you dint marry because some one told you? You need to make your own decision. 
No one can make on your part nor should you allow anyone to do so.

We in India live for family. Our family values is our backbone. We need to take 
that till our next generations. So left on you. What you want to do, you decide?

All the best! Cheers Sumeet.

coolclump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi there, i've always been a silent 
spectator of this grp. after reading ur reaction for gays marrying straight 
women, i've a humble comment/doubt to put forth: won't it be selfish of 
us(gays) if we deny getting married? cuz, the majority of the parents of gays 
are conservative and it's a matter of pride for them to get their 
sons/daughters married.

and we're here on the earth only because of them. it's our parents who've given 
us an identity. aren't we obliged to go by their words as in case of marriage?

can't we make this sacrifice, to make our parents happy? and i'm sure gays will 
definitely have children after marriage. that'll also make our parents happy 
grandparents na..?

well, this is not my principle or opinion. it's just a small doubt that has 
kept me in conflict for quite a long time. and i just wanna know how other gays 
'll respond to this..

i understand ur point also but would u or anyone substantiate ur point of view?

how'll u tackle a question as this? would u prefer saying-'yes, i'm selfish' or 
'no, i'll better make my conservative parents happy...'

cheers.. v

--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Sonub Jalan likluv@ wrote:

rent you contradicting yourself? Sex is in the mind and still at heart we 
are gay...who are you fooling? If you have indeed attained intimacy with your 
wife (proving that it is possible) then why the need to be here?

I dont know under what circumstances you have had to marry and I will not like 
to sit in judgement of your actions. But this is definitely not the advise you 
can give to people who are under pressure to get married to a woman. What such 
people (people like me) need to know is that you will then be using a woman's 
life to experiment. You are living in denial about what you and she needs and 
someday you will not be able to live the pretence any longer.

For those of you who are married...you can spend the rest of your life 
adjusting and rubbing your wife's cheeks or acknowledge the clossal mistake 
you have made and go your separate ways. Acknowledge that you are not a 
perfect husband like heteros and a hetro is what any straight woman deserves, 
while you are respnsible for denying her that.

And then maybe some of you married guys have been lucky in that your wife has 
waited long enough for you to get physical as if it means nothing to you as 
would between two friends. I know of women who kicked the living daylights out 
of their husbands for not being good enough. Lots of rounds to hospitals to 
cure their impotency. So dont you dare make your plight a general rule.

Get real guys. While the honourable GB list jury is still out on whether true 
love is possible in the gay world, I believe it is better to be alone than to 
live a lie.

I have fought really hard not to marry, being the only son in a very 
conservative family. It has affected my parents health and been the cause of a 
lot of tension in my family. But I would rather live with this than a wife with 
whom I need to develop intimacy and Achieving sex with one women against my 
instincts.

abbey fifty abbeyphilip@ wrote: Guys, I'd like to make two points:

1. I share Sumeet Mehra's experiences and having done the deed, ( marrying )the 
best option is to try hard to adjust. And the best policy is NOT to try getting 
hard - just befriend your wife, get intimate