Re: Free as in Freedom
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:02:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw So please shut up now. Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of Free as in Freedom! That's fine. Just talk to some else, e.g. a hired Babysitter. p.s. and cross-posting to more than half a dozend list and individuals isn't exactly considered polite either ;-) p.p.s. have a lot of fun fighting the internet fundamentals :)
Free as in Freedom
Free as in Freedom in http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo You're not even able to remove a couple of messages, so how free am I now? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wanted $300 for removal! How free am I now? You should be ashamed of yourselves! Not only privacy is not respected, [EMAIL PROTECTED] also threatened that more hits would be generated in the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do that, it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Free as in Freedom
On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only privacy is not respected, [EMAIL PROTECTED] also threatened that more hits would be generated in the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do that, it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! This is the internet. It's where people work together and share data. If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you want to be in private, just don't post emails to publically archived mailing lists. That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've done that mistake and you cannot turn back time. So please shut up now. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Free as in Freedom
Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw So please shut up now. Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of Free as in Freedom! --- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only privacy is not respected, [EMAIL PROTECTED] also threatened that more hits would be generated in the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do that, it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! This is the internet. It's where people work together and share data. If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you want to be in private, just don't post emails to publically archived mailing lists. That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've done that mistake and you cannot turn back time. So please shut up now. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Free as in Freedom
Always threatening, you're even worse than Microsoft... Once again Free as in Freedom, how dare you to use this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to rip me off $300! --- Robert Dewar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw So please shut up now. Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of Free as in Freedom! If I googled on your name and found this sort of absurd post, I would form conclusions right away. People will see these quotes for ever, they are not going away, they will follow you everywhere, is this what you want? Do you not understand that it is technically impossible to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies of this all over the net. By posting to this list, you gave consent to this massing reproduction of what you wrote, and it cannot be undone. Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on other people removing your messages, and the idea that it violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the contrary the operation of freedom here is that anyone anywhere has the ability and right to copy your posts, and thousands of people have already taken advantage of this permission that you gave by posting in the first place. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Free as in Freedom
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:02:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw So please shut up now. Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of Free as in Freedom! However, you have been told quite clearly what the site policy is. None of the mailing lists at gcc.gnu.org are intended to be rant lists so you really do have to stop sending this type of email since it is off-topic for every list that you are using. If you can't stop yourself, then steps will be taken to block you from sending email here.
Re: Free as in Freedom
On Sun, 2006-06-25 17:02:41 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of Free as in Freedom! Ah, so your understanding of Freedom reads like: Okay guys, I've sent out some rude emails insulting you a bit about your fortran stuff and all. I've put that into publically archived mailing lists and I just ignored the fact of publically archived. Well, it seems to fuck up by bio and because of me being lame, please waste your time to search the archives for my name and drop them all, maybe even including replys etc. My reading of Freedom is more like: Heya, your mailing list archive sux because you cannot easily find a people's attitude there. I've taken all the HTML stuff and made it useful. With a single click, you can now find out if a person is only a lame guy not reading sources or documentation, yelling about it's inabilities and not doing any community work. See the difference? Freedom, as we see it, is the right to participate, not the right to let others work for you. But you'll learn that the other day. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]. +49-172-7608481 _ O _ Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf| Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Free as in Freedom
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Always threatening, you're even worse than Microsoft... Once again Free as in Freedom, how dare you to use this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to rip me off $300! Alexander the email you requested removed at this link http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926# was written by me. You have no right to ask for my post to be removed. In viewing the above link, you will find On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: There is no email address at that link. It is however interesting to read your posts to Lahey and Microsoft forums. I suspect your recent spat of postings here has earned you many killfile entries. -- Steve
Re: Free as in Freedom
It is of course not a threat to point out that anything you post here will be permanently associated with your name for ever, and that there is no way to undo this. This is just a statement of fact. There is always a way of undoing things, it's simply a matter if you want to do so or not, and in this case clearly not. I don't see any reason why this conversation will be listed by just mailing a couple e-mailaddresses which I contacted before numerous times and no one responded for the simple reason they don't want to. Just delete all e-mailaddresses and state clearly that once posted it can not be undone. I'm almost sure that your practices are against the laws of privacy. Tomorrow I will check this out, as a matter of fact I already did. You have no right to publish things without permission. If all this crap is ever to be published, no one will believe, gnu.org is simply making itself ridiculous by publishing this. I just got another mail from Christopher Faylor, which threatens to block me from sending mail, why not, once again so much freedom... There isn't even freedom of speech here. Do I continue until I'm blocked? --- Robert Dewar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not mean my message at all as a threat, but just as some helpful advice. Note that it was sent only to you, not to the list. It is normally not a good idea to post such private messages to a public list without permission (and may indeed violate copyright, though that's not clear). For sure it is a violation of netiquette, so you add that to your record here. I respond to the list here just to make it clear that I did not post the message to the list. It is of course not a threat to point out that anything you post here will be permanently associated with your name for ever, and that there is no way to undo this. This is just a statement of fact. In our modern day and age, people will often google a name to find out more about someone, and when they do that, all your old posts will appear. Again, that's not a threat, just a statement of a fact that should be clear to anyone posting on any list. Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Go ahead threatening people, it's all what you accomplished so far! You say Are you really sure, I don't even have the chance to say yes or no, so much freedom! That e-mail of $300 I will keep just in case... --- Robert Dewar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you really sure you want the below message to be permanently associated with your name, it is now .. and this association can never be removed. I think you should think before posting any more messages that will follow you around. Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Free as in Freedom in http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo You're not even able to remove a couple of messages, so how free am I now? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wanted $300 for removal! How free am I now? You should be ashamed of yourselves! Not only privacy is not respected, [EMAIL PROTECTED] also threatened that more hits would be generated in the archives, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shouldn't do that, it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Free as in Freedom
Please tell me where I can read this spat of postings so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in a short time! --- Steve Kargl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Always threatening, you're even worse than Microsoft... Once again Free as in Freedom, how dare you to use this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to rip me off $300! Alexander the email you requested removed at this link http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926# was written by me. You have no right to ask for my post to be removed. In viewing the above link, you will find On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: There is no email address at that link. It is however interesting to read your posts to Lahey and Microsoft forums. I suspect your recent spat of postings here has earned you many killfile entries. -- Steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Free as in Freedom
Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Always threatening, you're even worse than Microsoft... Once again Free as in Freedom, how dare you to use this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to rip me off $300! First of all, again you are quoting my private messages. Second, the $300 has nothing to do with me, though I see no objection to people charging for work you ask them to do on your behalf. Third, can't you get it through your head that no threats are involved here, just some very basic statements of facts. You seem to be unaware of these facts as was clear from your initial post. This is certainly off-topic noise but on the other hand perhaps it is instructive to any others following this list who may be sharing the same misconceptions as Alexander. Anyway, I am killing this thread now, and apologies to anyone annoyed by these messages. In both the last two cases, I made the mistake of sending private advice to Alexander, clearly something that is not helpful in this situation. --- Robert Dewar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw So please shut up now. Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of Free as in Freedom! If I googled on your name and found this sort of absurd post, I would form conclusions right away. People will see these quotes for ever, they are not going away, they will follow you everywhere, is this what you want? Do you not understand that it is technically impossible to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies of this all over the net. By posting to this list, you gave consent to this massing reproduction of what you wrote, and it cannot be undone. Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on other people removing your messages, and the idea that it violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the contrary the operation of freedom here is that anyone anywhere has the ability and right to copy your posts, and thousands of people have already taken advantage of this permission that you gave by posting in the first place. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Free as in Freedom
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:43:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: Please tell me where I can read this spat of postings so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in a short time! Well, to start with you can go to http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/fortran/2006-06/ Look for post by Alexander Verhaeghe. These posts will soon be mirrored. Your google hits are going up. -- Steve
ADMINISTRIVIA about Re: Free as in Freedom
I thought I should point out that this thread has hit the too many recipients spam blocking rule at gcc.gnu.org so there are a number of messages from various people (but mostly from Alexander) which are not making it to the mailing list. cgf
