Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important features, much of the basic infrastructure is already up and running. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD_(Juergen_Riegel) Hello there, I was also interested to see these mechanical opensource projects into Fedora however, there are all stuck behind licensing issues. Is Debian shipping Freecad into their non-free repo or did the licensing issues clear away somehow? http://chitlesh.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/some-licenses-kill-opensource-mechanical-design-flows/ Cheers, Chitlesh ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:15:13PM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: Don't know what they're complaining about - When I started using gschem pcb a few years ago I just committed to doing it, ran through the tutorials and got on with it. I started using gschem+PCB because I needed to make a big 4 layer board, and there was no way I was going to pay to put up with the quirks of Eagle. So instead I used gschem+PCB and hacked on the quirks. I remember thinking that it was a bummer that there wasn't a great standard parts library. I also remember when I realized how crazy it was to rely on ANY standard parts library. And if you're making footprints and symbols, text files generated by scripts are FAR superior to any GUI. I'd never get 100-1000 pins right if I had to use a GUI. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD b...@ben.com http://www.ben.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
standard parts library. And if you're making footprints and symbols, text files generated by scripts are FAR superior to any GUI. I'd never get 100-1000 pins right if I had to use a GUI. lol, every altium user disagrees. if you ever seen their IPC pattern / component wizard, you wouldn't be saying this. but, OT of course. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD b...@ben.com http://www.ben.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 05:31:58PM +0900, timecop wrote: standard parts library. ?And if you're making footprints and symbols, text files generated by scripts are FAR superior to any GUI. ?I'd never get 100-1000 pins right if I had to use a GUI. lol, every altium user disagrees. if you ever seen their IPC pattern / component wizard, you wouldn't be saying this. Not OT. Put up a video showing it in action. Mabye geda hackers will be inspired. I really think one thing holding back geda is that the users and developers don't have much experience with high-end tools. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD b...@ben.com http://www.ben.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 00:44 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1564716cid=31289534 Let me be the first to apologize. :-) Although, a couple people have posted that gEDA's documentation lacks in places. Any volunteers for: Make a beginners interface that looks Eagle-ish. Just don't make it _feel_ like Eagle.. I've tried it, and hated it! All those people I've met who use Eagle use it for the parts-library, and when questioned - have admitted that the UI is quirky. Perhaps someone pro-active could clone the Arduino design in gEDA format? I wonder if a question we forgot to ask is simply are these people using Linux? I know gEDA can and does work on Windows, but we don't really target that user-base, and don't expend much effort testing and ironing out the Win32 bugs. I'm not a big fan of systems which need lots of documentation to get started. It is important for turning new users into power-users, but lets face it, no-one is going to read through much more than a couple of pages before giving up if they can't see an end in sight. More marketing on our part would perhaps help - show people pictures or videos of designs and schematics in progress, show them what the tools _can_ achieve - and it might generate interest. I know it is different, but when looking for CFD/FEA software to solve a problem, I've mostly been interested to see examples of what kind of problem the software can solve - visually. Yes, I could read the 100 page manual - but that comes after I've got a decent feel for the fact that the software can do what I want. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB
Hello there! I've tried to implement this feature into pcb once myself but failed because of the large size of the source code and my lack of skills and time. What I tried to implement was this: - set a 90 degree arc just like you do right now, - change the angle by holding ctrl and pulling on one of the arc's end. I would *love* to have a GUI way for non-90-degree arcs in pcb, since I'm using them a lot. Greetings Denis Grelich (Germany) Am 25.02.2010, 23:57 Uhr, schrieb Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net: On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, that's all. FWIW QCad has 3 pimary arc creation modes: 1. click1 sets center, click2 sets radius, click3 sets end point 1, click4 sets end point 2 2. click1 sets endpoint 1, click2 sets a point on the arc, click3 sets end point 2 3. click 1 selects a point of tangency on a line, radius set by dialog, click 2 sets end point 2 One mode of elliptical arc creation: click for center, click for axis 1/radius 1, click for axis2/radius 2, click for end point 1, click for end point 2. Not that pcb needs to or should follow QCad, just posting the info for reference. The center/radius/end1/end2 method seems pretty natural and if PCB did only that it would cover a lot of ground. -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
Without a Windows port you will have a beginners interface (and documentation) but no beginners ;) I have talked to a lot of people at the Arduino Users Group and at dorkbot and the majority are Windows, a fair number on MAC and a few on Linux. Eagle has done excellent marketing. Seeding the university's with Eagle has enabled it to spread rapidly. Grassroots local support is available in a lot of areas. Below is my most recent response to openness that I posted on [1]http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/01/ff_newrevolution (* jcl *) === Cut Here === Open Hardware comes in various degrees of openness. For example in the test equipment market top tier manufacturers like Hewlett Packard and LTX provide complete printed schematics, board layout drawings and a bill of materials. This design information enables the user to understand the equipment limitations and troubleshoot application issues. The printed manuals have a copyright but the design is open. Slightly more open would be a design that provides printed documentation along with the manufacturing data files. Although you won't be able to create new data files without the source files you can still manufacture identical copies. Having the source files enables modification of the original design without having to re-create the design files. But having the design files does not make the design completely open. Design files that require a $10K per seat EDA license are effectively closed. As an example of a completely open electronic design using the gEDA/PCB open source EDA tools I did a re-mix of the Drawdio design by ladyada. The ladyada design was a re-mix of a design done by Jay Silver (MIT Media Lab). The documentation and EDA files for my remix are at [2]http://tinyurl.com/bq8pq4 Thanks to Jay for this fun and creative design. Thanks to ladyada for her excellent documentation. = Cut Here == -- You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. twitter: [3]http://twitter.com/jluciani blog:[4]http://www.luciani.org References 1. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/01/ff_newrevolution 2. http://tinyurl.com/bq8pq4 3. http://twitter.com/jluciani 4. http://www.luciani.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
Hi, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of timecop Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:32 AM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot standard parts library. And if you're making footprints and symbols, text files generated by scripts are FAR superior to any GUI. I'd never get 100-1000 pins right if I had to use a GUI. lol, every altium user disagrees. if you ever seen their IPC pattern / component wizard, you wouldn't be saying this. I'm working on it :) Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 00:44 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1564716cid=31289534 Let me be the first to apologize. :-) Although, a couple people have posted that gEDA's documentation lacks in places. Any volunteers for: Make a beginners interface that looks Eagle-ish. We ought not to be striving for feature parity and competition with Eagle - we should be looking to compete with higher-end tools like Altium. It is no good owning the hobby market if the software isn't also well suited to more complex designs. (Usability is still important!). People have mentioned BRL-CAD as a feature competent 3D cad package. I'm sure it is useful for lots of very complex tasks, but I will probably never touch it due to the learning curve. My personal interest is to see that gEDA is always suited to any schematic or PCB design I want to make as a professional engineer, and that it is easy enough to use that its user-base doesn't dwindle due to lack of adoption. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Ben Jackson b...@ben.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 05:31:58PM +0900, timecop wrote: standard parts library. ?And if you're making footprints and symbols, text files generated by scripts are FAR superior to any GUI. ?I'd never get 100-1000 pins right if I had to use a GUI. lol, every altium user disagrees. if you ever seen their IPC pattern / component wizard, you wouldn't be saying this. Not OT. Put up a video showing it in action. It is not that exciting to rate a video. Screen shots maybe. First screen gives about a dozen choices, where it asks what your end target you want to create. Choices are a long the line of: Two Pin Resistors Two Pad Resistors Two Pad Capacitors QFN QFP TQFP etc It then asks the appropriate questions such as: Hole size for pins. Distance between pins centers. How many sides have pads. Dimensions of pads. Pitch of pads. At corners it asks the corner pad to pad spacing. Sometimes, and I've not figured out why sometimes, it asks if the corner pads should be different, so they don't hit each other. For all it asks the distance from the center line for the silk outline. At each point there is a small graphic showing a representation of a typical part, of the relevant section, where the related question is being asked. You enter the dimensions, in small boxes, near the points of the graphic where you would be measuring a real part if you had it in hand. If scrips could be run on gedasymboles, and its mirrors, someone could make a script that does this. Use metapost or Ploticus to dynamically generate the graphics and the script to generate the footprint. Have the generated footprint be added to a library automatically, so they don't have to keep being done over and over by different people. My gripe is that the dimensions that are asked for are rarely the ones the data sheets give. If there is any SummerOfCode projects, this might make a good one for someone that likes to work on web sites rather than hack C code. Mabye geda hackers will be inspired. I really think one thing holding back geda is that the users and developers don't have much experience with high-end tools. The only reason Protel and its decedent's is popular is because LONG ago it was good, and inexpensive. Altium has lowered the prices, but I don't think it is worth the money. Today's version tries to do to much, there are options in different places that do the same thing, and more often than not, don't do anything no mater how much you poke at it. It also has a habit of eating files. Make lots of backups. In my view what is holding gEDA back is a step-by-step tutorial, starting right with install for Windows. The other thing holding back the PCB end is the problems, mostly with printing, and library windows, that I've brought up before, in the Windows port, and Windows people like me making the time to fix them. The Windows port of PCB might be a popular download, but how many people actually us it? There are less than five on the list here that I've even seen mentioned that they tried to use the Windows port of PCB for a real project. The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 09:03 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. Right, I'm bored.. share your custom XCircuit symobls with me and I'll make gEDA equivalents. Obviously I can't just rip off XCircuit symbols with a converter, but I'll see if I can see about producing similarly styled graphics in gEDA using paths. (I might trace some bits). It is about time we had some pretty symbols ;). -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Ales Hvezda ahve...@moria.seul.org wrote: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1564716cid=31289534 Let me be the first to apologize. :-) Although, a couple people have posted that gEDA's documentation lacks in places. Any volunteers for: Make a beginners interface that looks Eagle-ish. I think this is a bad idea. gEDA has a highly productive and highly quirky UI. Making a beginner's interface that resembles Eagle would help to lure in beginners, but then it would become a barrier to learning the full version. At my last workplace one of my colleagues expressed interest in learning Vim, so I set him up with Cream since it has a more familiar UI. It helped him to get started, sure. But it meant that I had a difficult time helping him since many key commands were different, and he was never able to move to regular Vim since the UI is so different yet looks so similar. It would've been better for him to learn it the way the rest of us did: dive in feet-first and use a cheat-sheet. -Alan -Ales :) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
Hello, I'm using gEDA on Windows (after fixing that quirk with cairo making the fonts too small). gschem is fine for editing schematics, and PCB is very fine for pcbs. I believe the biggest show stopper is really the lack of a fixed work flow. Though gsch2pcb -v -d 'C:\Programme\gEDA\share\pcb' --skip-m4 -d . -o $(NAME) $(NAME).sch is not that hard, you have to open a console and type it and do cryptic stuff. It should be easy to add a menu item in gEDA for that, shouldn't it? And it would help a lot. Greetings Denis Grelich Am 27.02.2010, 15:03 Uhr, schrieb Bob Paddock bob.padd...@gmail.com: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Ben Jackson b...@ben.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 05:31:58PM +0900, timecop wrote: standard parts library. ?And if you're making footprints and symbols, text files generated by scripts are FAR superior to any GUI. ?I'd never get 100-1000 pins right if I had to use a GUI. lol, every altium user disagrees. if you ever seen their IPC pattern / component wizard, you wouldn't be saying this. Not OT. Put up a video showing it in action. It is not that exciting to rate a video. Screen shots maybe. First screen gives about a dozen choices, where it asks what your end target you want to create. Choices are a long the line of: Two Pin Resistors Two Pad Resistors Two Pad Capacitors QFN QFP TQFP etc It then asks the appropriate questions such as: Hole size for pins. Distance between pins centers. How many sides have pads. Dimensions of pads. Pitch of pads. At corners it asks the corner pad to pad spacing. Sometimes, and I've not figured out why sometimes, it asks if the corner pads should be different, so they don't hit each other. For all it asks the distance from the center line for the silk outline. At each point there is a small graphic showing a representation of a typical part, of the relevant section, where the related question is being asked. You enter the dimensions, in small boxes, near the points of the graphic where you would be measuring a real part if you had it in hand. If scrips could be run on gedasymboles, and its mirrors, someone could make a script that does this. Use metapost or Ploticus to dynamically generate the graphics and the script to generate the footprint. Have the generated footprint be added to a library automatically, so they don't have to keep being done over and over by different people. My gripe is that the dimensions that are asked for are rarely the ones the data sheets give. If there is any SummerOfCode projects, this might make a good one for someone that likes to work on web sites rather than hack C code. Mabye geda hackers will be inspired. I really think one thing holding back geda is that the users and developers don't have much experience with high-end tools. The only reason Protel and its decedent's is popular is because LONG ago it was good, and inexpensive. Altium has lowered the prices, but I don't think it is worth the money. Today's version tries to do to much, there are options in different places that do the same thing, and more often than not, don't do anything no mater how much you poke at it. It also has a habit of eating files. Make lots of backups. In my view what is holding gEDA back is a step-by-step tutorial, starting right with install for Windows. The other thing holding back the PCB end is the problems, mostly with printing, and library windows, that I've brought up before, in the Windows port, and Windows people like me making the time to fix them. The Windows port of PCB might be a popular download, but how many people actually us it? There are less than five on the list here that I've even seen mentioned that they tried to use the Windows port of PCB for a real project. The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 09:03 -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. Right, I'm bored.. share your custom XCircuit symobls These would work for me: http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/not-quite-ready-index.html http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/doc/sampler.pdf ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
Hi Denis, [snip] I'm using gEDA on Windows (after fixing that quirk with cairo making the fonts too small). gschem is fine for editing schematics, and PCB is very Out of curiosity, how did you go about running gEDA on Windows? Which of the binaries are you using or did you build it yourself? Also, is there a gEDA bug report for the cairo font issue on win32? Thanks a bunch, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. Right, I'm bored.. share your custom XCircuit symobls with me and I'll make gEDA equivalents. Obviously I can't just rip off XCircuit symbols with a converter, but I'll see if I can see about producing similarly styled graphics in gEDA using paths. (I might trace some bits). It is about time we had some pretty symbols ;). John Luciani did some publication-quality symbols a couple of years ago. What ever happened to those? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
[snip] John Luciani did some publication-quality symbols a couple of years ago. What ever happened to those? These? http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/not-quite-ready-index.html Just a sampler and make sure you abide by John's license if you get the actual symbols. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
These would work for me: [1]http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/not-quite-ready-index.html [2]http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/doc/sampler.pdf In the sampler.pdf, what's that symbol that looks like a zener with a third wire ? Is that a three terminal regulator like the 7805? I've not encountered it before. Thanks, Jim. References 1. http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/not-quite-ready-index.html 2. http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/doc/sampler.pdf ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Jim Lynch jimlyn...@gmail.com wrote: These would work for me: [1]http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/not-quite-ready-index.html [2]http://www.luciani.org/not-quite-ready/doc/sampler.pdf In the sampler.pdf, what's that symbol that looks like a zener with a third wire ? Is that a three terminal regulator like the 7805? It is the TL431. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
Hi, Could somebody please send me some screenshots of gEDA/gaf 1.6.x and/or PCB running on Mac OSX? Preferably with an interesting schematic/PCBs that you don't mind sharing with the world? Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down
Greg Cunningham wrote: Winter in Pennsylvania, summer here in Tasmania. need rsync round-robin dns. Rsync is being used for mirroring, but I'm not sure what the DNS setup is. Ping says it is alternating. The mirror server was quick for a while after I added an A record at my hosting service's DNS server, but is back to slow unresponsive, and does eventually serve pages after multiple attempts. How do you do round robin DNS? I think DJs DNS server may still be on and overruling mine. John -- Ecosensory Austin TX ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
Am 27.02.2010, 15:40 Uhr, schrieb Ales Hvezda ahve...@moria.seul.org: Hi Denis, [snip] I'm using gEDA on Windows (after fixing that quirk with cairo making the fonts too small). gschem is fine for editing schematics, and PCB is very Out of curiosity, how did you go about running gEDA on Windows? Which of the binaries are you using or did you build it yourself? Also, is there a gEDA bug report for the cairo font issue on win32? Thanks a bunch, -Ales Hi, I've downloaded pcjc2's Windows build from here: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda-windows.html Apparently, he has fixed the rendering quirk. (I'm using an older version and have changed the decimal separator from , to . on my system.) About the bug report I don't know. I googled a little and found Peter Clifton's complaints about it on the cairo mailing list. Greetings, Denis ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Ales Hvezda ahve...@moria.seul.org wrote: Hi, Could somebody please send me some screenshots of gEDA/gaf 1.6.x and/ or PCB running on Mac OSX? Preferably with an interesting schematic/PCBs that you don't mind sharing with the world? I have an old design I could use, but if anyone else is looking to publicize their design this way, email me a link, and l'll load it up on a Mac and take a few screenshots. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down
On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Griessen wrote: Winter in Pennsylvania, summer here in Tasmania. need rsync round-robin dns. Rsync is being used for mirroring, but I'm not sure what the DNS setup is. Ping says it is alternating. The mirror server was quick for a while after I added an A record at my hosting service's DNS server, but is back to slow unresponsive, and does eventually serve pages after multiple attempts. How do you do round robin DNS? I think DJs DNS server may still be on and overruling mine. BIND round-robins returned records automatically. For example, you can set up multiple A records for the same name, and successive queries return all of them rotated by one. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 16:52 +0100, Denis Grelich wrote: About the bug report I don't know. I googled a little and found Peter Clifton's complaints about it on the cairo mailing list. Complaints is not really the right term here... it was a query about the behaviour we were seeing, and the bug turned out to be ours, not cairo's. A quick exchange of emails with Behdad Estafobad quickly triggered an epiphany as to the cause of the problem. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Dave McGuire [1]mcgu...@neurotica.com wrote: On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. Right, I'm bored.. share your custom XCircuit symobls with me and I'll make gEDA equivalents. Obviously I can't just rip off XCircuit symbols with a converter, but I'll see if I can see about producing similarly styled graphics in gEDA using paths. (I might trace some bits). It is about time we had some pretty symbols ;). John Luciani did some publication-quality symbols a couple of years ago. What ever happened to those? John hasn't had time to finish :( As Ales mentioned when the symbols are done I will be using my no-fee license. Distribution without fee, usage other than distribution unrestricted. (* jcl *) -- You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. twitter: [2]http://twitter.com/jluciani blog:[3]http://www.luciani.org References 1. mailto:mcgu...@neurotica.com 2. http://twitter.com/jluciani 3. http://www.luciani.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: right-mouse-click rotate
It's in the manual, I know, but to be precise it doesn't say that the gtk version looks at gpcb-menu instead of pcb-menu. I think the best way to solve this would be to create a gtk section in the same pcb-menu file. 2010/2/26 Dan McMahill d...@mcmahill.net: Alberto Maccioni wrote: There are 2 files in the src directory: pcb-menu.res and gpcb-menu.res; I think one is for gtk, the other for lesstif. But does this mean that you have to recompile to make changes to the key bindings? no. See the manual. Perhaps the key-binding has come from somewhere else?, Hmm, there are a few gpcb-menu.res files scattered on my hard disk. How does pcb decide which to pull in? see the manual. just to point out that they are customisable in gpcb-menu.res Is there some official info anywhere on the syntax? yes. see the manual :) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 11:01 -0500, Charles Lepple wrote: I have an old design I could use, but if anyone else is looking to publicize their design this way, email me a link, and l'll load it up on a Mac and take a few screenshots. You may use this medium size 4 layer board: http://www.ssalewski.de/DAD.html.en But the pcb file does not include the layer color table. You may try to load this file http://www.ssalewski.de/tmp/PCB-DAD-Colors or you may pick the colors manually from the screenshot. Or see the pages of DJ of course, he has some fine boards for download -- when the blizzard is over. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:03:41AM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. You do know about XCircuit's built-in pcb-compatible netlist exporter? I build boards using XCircuit+PCB. The ugly part for me is the (lack of) BOM support. That doesn't sound so hard to fix. - Larry ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave McGuire wrote: On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Griessen wrote: Winter in Pennsylvania, summer here in Tasmania. need rsync round-robin dns. Rsync is being used for mirroring, but I'm not sure what the DNS setup is. Ping says it is alternating. The mirror server was quick for a while after I added an A record at my hosting service's DNS server, but is back to slow unresponsive, and does eventually serve pages after multiple attempts. How do you do round robin DNS? I think DJs DNS server may still be on and overruling mine. BIND round-robins returned records automatically. For example, you can set up multiple A records for the same name, and successive queries return all of them rotated by one. ok. but then you have a 50% chance to hit the dead node. I can't resolve gedasymbols.org at the moment. Timeout. BTW I've seen professional data centers go down with a blackout. Shouldn't happen, but the 20kV - 400V power transformer of the whole data center exploded due to a short circuit somewhere. Peaces of wire all around the transformer, because the secondary was un-winded. The power generators didn't start up properly, so when the UPS' batteries were empty, the lights went out. - - cl -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLiXSnWo2QgtqY4K8RAmBWAJ0RqroILSaX3xxChJQQdxRJThO8bACeO0qr wPYgOeCgHYvVJgAq5x7Ue9Q= =rAO9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down
On Feb 27, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Christoph Lechner wrote: Winter in Pennsylvania, summer here in Tasmania. need rsync round-robin dns. Rsync is being used for mirroring, but I'm not sure what the DNS setup is. Ping says it is alternating. The mirror server was quick for a while after I added an A record at my hosting service's DNS server, but is back to slow unresponsive, and does eventually serve pages after multiple attempts. How do you do round robin DNS? I think DJs DNS server may still be on and overruling mine. BIND round-robins returned records automatically. For example, you can set up multiple A records for the same name, and successive queries return all of them rotated by one. ok. but then you have a 50% chance to hit the dead node. If you have two A records, yes. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: I am such a troll for posting to slashdot
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Larry Doolittle ldool...@recycle.lbl.gov wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:03:41AM -0500, Bob Paddock wrote: The other thing that is holding back gEDA Schematics is the lack of available publication quality symbols. If I'm doing a PCB I use gEDA. If I'm after a nice looking schematic I use XCircuit. I'd like to be able to have it both ways, a nice looking schematic that I can make a PCB from. You do know about XCircuit's built-in pcb-compatible netlist exporter? I always ran into problems with multi-package gates. Maybe Tim as fixed it by now, been a while since I tried using it with PCB. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
Here's one of each. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393096672/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393113304/sizes/o/ On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:05 AM, Ales Hvezda wrote: Hi, Could somebody please send me some screenshots of gEDA/gaf 1.6.x and/or PCB running on Mac OSX? Preferably with an interesting schematic/PCBs that you don't mind sharing with the world? Thanks, -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 12:20 -0800, Windell H. Oskay wrote: Here's one of each. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393096672/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393113304/sizes/o/ Hi, Have you ever looked at the GL branch of PCB (my repository here: git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git git checkout -b before_pours origin/before_pours configure with --enable-gl (Build). Does the GL rendering work on MacOS-X? I know its cheating to pass off the rendering of a not-yet merged branch as a representative screen-shot, but I suspect if you use it, plus my dark colour scheme, (and perhaps switch the solder-mask on?) the rendering of that board will look awesome. I can send the colour scheme if you want. I personally think gschem looks better (in screen-shots at lest) with a light background. I would zoom in a little more - avoiding the dead-space in the top right corner - or zoom out to show the whole page. Sometimes I find the component chooser or attribute editor (with an interesting component selected in either) adds some feel for what the program looks like in operation. Regarding both screen-shots - if you set the GTK theme on your box to better match the native OS-X look and feel, that would also make the programs come across better. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 20:36 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 12:20 -0800, Windell H. Oskay wrote: Here's one of each. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393096672/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393113304/sizes/o/ Hi, Have you ever looked at the GL branch of PCB (my repository here: git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git git checkout -b before_pours origin/before_pours configure with --enable-gl (Build). Does the GL rendering work on MacOS-X? I know its cheating to pass off the rendering of a not-yet merged branch as a representative screen-shot, but I suspect if you use it, plus my dark colour scheme, (and perhaps switch the solder-mask on?) the rendering of that board will look awesome. I can send the colour scheme if you want. I personally think gschem looks better (in screen-shots at lest) with a light background. I would zoom in a little more - avoiding the dead-space in the top right corner - or zoom out to show the whole page. Sometimes I find the component chooser or attribute editor (with an interesting component selected in either) adds some feel for what the program looks like in operation. Regarding both screen-shots - if you set the GTK theme on your box to better match the native OS-X look and feel, that would also make the programs come across better. Hints here: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20080309171359879 and the gnome-themes-glossy-p theme: http://xanana.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/wordpress_new/wordpress/?p=5 Presentation is everything, we might be writing free - and open source software, but we still have to _sell_ it. Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?
Someone with a Mac might like to try building gEDA and PCB with a native version of GTK? If so, take a look at this page: http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net/ -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Feb 27, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: Here's one of each. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393096672/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393113304/sizes/o/ Hi, Have you ever looked at the GL branch of PCB (my repository here: git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git git checkout -b before_pours origin/before_pours configure with --enable-gl (Build). I get this: configure: error: You don't seem to have the GL library headers installed. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?
It kinda works. You get a lot of blank icons...I think due to some XPM problems. Mark On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Someone with a Mac might like to try building gEDA and PCB with a native version of GTK? If so, take a look at this page: http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net/ -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 15:56 -0500, Dave McGuire wrote: On Feb 27, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: Here's one of each. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393096672/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4393113304/sizes/o/ Hi, Have you ever looked at the GL branch of PCB (my repository here: git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git git checkout -b before_pours origin/before_pours configure with --enable-gl (Build). I get this: configure: error: You don't seem to have the GL library headers installed. You will need them, wherever they come from. I'm not familiar with how you get development headers on OS-X, nor how the X11 / GL stuff integrates on that platform. You will also need to build and install gtkglext for MacOS X, which will probably require the above issues to be resolved as well. It should work (they claim so).. I just don't know what the prerequisites will be. http://gtkglext.darwinports.com/ ?? Perhaps there are also macports / fink versions. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 15:49 -0500, Mark Anderson wrote: It kinda works. You get a lot of blank icons...I think due to some XPM problems. Mark Send a screenshot? What XPM problems? Is it because MacOS X native GTK doesn't support them, or what? A quick search revealed this: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502997 Sounds like people have had varied success with the patch available on that bug. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: Hi, Have you ever looked at the GL branch of PCB (my repository here: I'd really *love* to be able to run the latest versions, but I'm afraid that as a mere mortal, I'm nowhere close to being able to do this. I've tried several times to build from source, years apart even. I have gotten badly stuck each time-- and I'm not someone that gives up easily. I've tried all the different configuration options, and put in an absurd amount of time. But after all that, it just feels like a dead end. So, I run the Fink snapshots that Charles Lepple maintains, and I'm very happy to be able to do so. -Windell ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: TO-92 Best Practices
Hey folks, What's considered Best Practices for TO-92 packages? I'm working on a project that involves a lot of discrete transistors in TO-92 packages -- the regular style, 3 in-line, no fancy triangular pinouts or lead forming or anything. The TO92 package in pcblib-newlib seems to be larger than necessary, in pin spacing, pad size, and hole size. Pin spacing: The actual package has the pins 50 mils apart. Is this used in practice? Or is it too problematic, and maybe it's more practical to just spread the leads a little by hand? Are there machine insertion issues? (Not that I care right now, but I'd like to be as uptown about it as possible.) The TO-92 leads are 20 mils diameter. Would a 24 mil hole be fine then? And maybe a 35 mil pad? Anybody have success (or failure) stories or advice? -- Don -- Don Tillman Palo Alto, California d...@till.com http://www.till.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 15:28 -0800, Windell H. Oskay wrote: On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: Hi, Have you ever looked at the GL branch of PCB (my repository here: I'd really *love* to be able to run the latest versions, but I'm afraid that as a mere mortal, I'm nowhere close to being able to do this. I've tried several times to build from source, years apart even. I have gotten badly stuck each time-- and I'm not someone that gives up easily. I've tried all the different configuration options, and put in an absurd amount of time. But after all that, it just feels like a dead end. So, I run the Fink snapshots that Charles Lepple maintains, and I'm very happy to be able to do so. I guess the Fink package will be the latest released version? I've emailed Charles to ask if he would mind having a go at packaging my branch.. it will require a little extra work due to the increased dependencies though. Best wishes, -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: TO-92 Best Practices
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Donald Tillman [1]...@till.com wrote: Hey folks, What's considered Best Practices for TO-92 packages? I use two different footprints. Both footprints have the pins inline. One footprint spaces the leads 1.39mm the other 2.60mm. The 2.60mm is the common formed lead pattern. I believe I used the spec from On-Semi. I use a finished hole size of 29mils. The fab tolerance is +-4mils. (* jcl *) -- You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. twitter: [2]http://twitter.com/jluciani blog:[3]http://www.luciani.org References 1. mailto:d...@till.com 2. http://twitter.com/jluciani 3. http://www.luciani.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf Mac OSX screenshots?
On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: Have you ever looked at the GL branch of PCB (my repository here: git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git git checkout -b before_pours origin/before_pours configure with --enable-gl (Build). I get this: configure: error: You don't seem to have the GL library headers installed. You will need them, wherever they come from. I'm not familiar with how you get development headers on OS-X, nor how the X11 / GL stuff integrates on that platform. Oh, I *SO* have development headers and X11 on this machine. ;) I suspect, though, that the GL stuff only comes with more recent releases of OS X. I'm running 10.4 on this system, and will be stuck at that release until I'm convinced that the bugs in 10.5 have actually been fixed. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed
Hi I was working on my thesis project and I'm designing a 6-bit flash converter. The circuit has 63 comparators (made by me) , 63 inverters (made by me) and 1 decoder (126 inputs and 6 outputs, also made by me). I have a source file for each component (actually more than 127 files because the decoder has nand gates made by me). When I try to check my circuit with drc or drc2 gnetlist finished with a buffer overflow. I don't know how to solve this. Also, I tried with spice-sdb but gnetlist finish with Killed. Here are the links of the output: - using drc: [1]http://pastebin.com/GrJL6pi9 - using drc2: [2]http://pastebin.com/UnYk1f8a - using spice-sdb: [3]http://pastebin.com/MpWjqVq8 If you need my schematics I will send you. Thanks! -- Facundo J Ferrer References 1. http://pastebin.com/GrJL6pi9 2. http://pastebin.com/UnYk1f8a 3. http://pastebin.com/MpWjqVq8 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed
On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Facundo Ferrer wrote: Hi I was working on my thesis project and I'm designing a 6-bit flash converter. The circuit has 63 comparators (made by me) , 63 inverters (made by me) and 1 decoder (126 inputs and 6 outputs, also made by me). I have a source file for each component (actually more than 127 files because the decoder has nand gates made by me). 127 files? That's the hard way. Should just need 63 instances of a comparator described by one file, for example. When I try to check my circuit with drc or drc2 gnetlist finished with a buffer overflow. Put the following in your gnetlistrc file: (debug-options (list 'stack 20)) (eval-options (list 'stack 20)) That should prevent overflow. Our DRC isn't really intended for this kind of circuit. I don't know how to solve this. Also, I tried with spice-sdb but gnetlist finish with Killed. Here are the links of the output: - using drc: [1]http://pastebin.com/GrJL6pi9 - using drc2: [2]http://pastebin.com/UnYk1f8a - using spice-sdb: [3]http://pastebin.com/MpWjqVq8 If you need my schematics I will send you. It looks like you're using the kind of hierarchy suitable for a printed circuit flow, not a SPICE/ASIC flow. I suggest first reading the excellent tutorial at http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/intro.html. For ASIC, I modify Stuart's flow by leaving out the file= attributes on the symbols, preventing hierarchy expansion. I make a SPICE netlist of each subcircuit separately, and concatenate them to make the design file. That way, a 6000 transistor design needs only a 400 line netlist. A Makefile to coordinate these machinations is useful. Thanks! Good luck! It'll be fun to have another gEDA ASIC designer around. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed
Facundo Ferrer wrote: When I try to check my circuit with drc or drc2 gnetlist finished with a buffer overflow. I don't know how to solve this. Also, I tried with spice-sdb but gnetlist finish with Killed. Have you tried this: http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gnetlist ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down
Dave McGuire wrote: On Feb 27, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Christoph Lechner wrote: you can set up multiple A records for the same name, and successive queries return all of them rotated by one. ok. but then you have a 50% chance to hit the dead node. If you have two A records, yes. Before I added the A record coming from Quantact's DNS servers, I got alternating dead, live, dead, live. Is it any better to have the third A record for the mirror? Will it cause 2 out of three live hits? right now, it's quick responding again. JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Native Mac OS X?
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Someone with a Mac might like to try building gEDA and PCB with a native version of GTK? Is it currently possible to tell a running copy of gschem to open a schematic? If not, that is probably something that needs to be fixed before worrying about the rest of the Mac look-and-feel. Gimp for OS X has been using the X11 server and some OS X look-alike themes for a while, and it integrates pretty well due to the gimp-remote command. I think I saw some D-BUS automation interface to PCB - is there something similar on gschem? -- - Charles Lepple ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed
On Saturday 27 February 2010, John Doty wrote: It looks like you're using the kind of hierarchy suitable for a printed circuit flow, not a SPICE/ASIC flow. I suggest first reading the excellent tutorial at http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/intro.html. Ouch .. That was written 6 years ago when things were very different than they are now. LTspice is as much not a part of gEDA as Eagle is. Promoting it here is the same as promoting Eagle. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down
right now, it's quick responding again. Because my internet is back up :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: gEDA user: gnetlist -gdrc buffer overflow and gnetlist -gspice-sdb killed
On Feb 28, 2010, at 2:17 PM, al davis wrote: On Saturday 27 February 2010, John Doty wrote: It looks like you're using the kind of hierarchy suitable for a printed circuit flow, not a SPICE/ASIC flow. I suggest first reading the excellent tutorial at http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/intro.html. Ouch .. That was written 6 years ago when things were very different than they are now. LTspice is as much not a part of gEDA as Eagle is. Ah, but it has an open interface we can use. A great strength of gEDA is that the tools play well with other tools, whether they are part of gEDA or not. Promoting it here is the same as promoting Eagle. I don't see that document as promoting LTspice. I used it five years ago to learn Stuart's ideas on SPICE flow, but for sims I use ngspice. If you want to add gnucap-specific advice to the tutorial, I'm sure Stuart would include it. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
