Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
Jim wrote: I need to print out a cheat sheet for all the keys. Some of which don't work as advertised. This wiki page might be useful: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb-quick_reference It is more complete than the online help in the menu. E. g. Alt-V and Shift-V are supposed to change via drill sizes and via sized according to info-key bindings, but they don't. This is a bug in the menu. There is no special set of accel keys for vias and drills (has there ever been?). Just use the same key bindings as for tracks and pins: Change via annular ring size with [s] / [shift-s] Change via drill size with [alt-s] / [shift-alt-s] ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, just doing the PCB for my new power supply and I'm wondering how to add another layer to the component group of layers _without_ breaking all preexisiting tracks. After adding the new layer in the Preferences window and pressing 'O' to optimize the rat lines, pcb counts all nets as unconnected. The board has about 95% SMD components and it happens that their pads are considered as unconnected after inserting the new layer. Is there some trick I'm missing? - - cl -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFL5WcxWo2QgtqY4K8RAmLiAJ9eVuVJOWPohMwRnl4tV7JJrimaXgCffOi/ klMTdERzBb9JRaePVKukEJs= =GLj8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
kai-martin knaak wrote:
This is a bug in the menu. There is no special set of accel keys for vias
and drills (has there ever been?).
patch attached.
(removes the lines for shift-v, alt-shift-v, alt-v and alt-shift-v)
---)kaimartin(---
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Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel:
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53From cfbb29a9ea59d9ed20c5471e7b5c3efd16f41b83 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:22:57 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] removes obsolete via accels from gpcb-menu.res
---
src/gpcb-menu.res |4
1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/gpcb-menu.res b/src/gpcb-menu.res
index b844f56..1eb52dc 100644
--- a/src/gpcb-menu.res
+++ b/src/gpcb-menu.res
@@ -432,10 +432,6 @@ MainMenu =
{ChangeDrill -5 mil a={Alt-Shift-S Alt ShiftKeys} ChangeDrillSize(Object,-5,mil)}
{TextScale +10 mil a={T Keyt} SetValue(TextScale,+10,mil)}
{TextScale -10 mil a={Shift-T ShiftKeyt} SetValue(TextScale,-10,mil)}
-{ViaSize +5 mil a={Shift-V ShiftKeyv} SetValue(ViaSize,+5,mil)}
-{ViaSize -5 mil a={Shift-Ctrl-V Shift CtrlKeyv} SetValue(ViaSize,-5,mil)}
-{ViaDrill +5 mil a={Alt-V AltKeyv} SetValue(ViaDrillingHole,+5,mil)}
-{ViaDrill -5 mil a={Alt-Shift-V Alt ShiftKeyv} SetValue(ViaDrillingHole,-5,mil)}
{AddRats Selected a={Shift-W ShiftKeyw} AddRats(SelectedRats)}
{Add All Rats a={W Keyw} AddRats(AllRats)}
{Cycle Clip a={/ Key/} Display(CycleClip)}
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Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
This wiki page might be useful: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb-quick_reference It is more complete than the online help in the menu. I have looked at the wiki page above and found difference with my (standard) configuration. \ thin-draw toggles thin draw mode for me it only works with shift-\ or (|) thin-draw Is this an error in the wiki of in my configuration? Just trying to be helpful. Robert. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
Christoph Lechner wrote: After adding the new layer in the Preferences window and pressing 'O' to optimize the rat lines, pcb counts all nets as unconnected. Hmm. I just added a new layer below top layer to the attached little board. This did not break connections to SMD pads. Can you try to reproduce with this little test board? If you get broken connections, please send the offending layout to the list, so we can analyze what's going on here. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 supplyzwei.pcb Description: application/pcb-layout ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kai-martin knaak wrote: Christoph Lechner wrote: After adding the new layer in the Preferences window and pressing 'O' to optimize the rat lines, pcb counts all nets as unconnected. Hmm. I just added a new layer below top layer to the attached little board. This did not break connections to SMD pads. Can you try to reproduce with this little test board? If you get broken connections, please send the offending layout to the list, so we can analyze what's going on here. Can't reproduce the problem with your small board. I can insert a couple of new layers at random positions in the layer list without breaking it. The reason for that could be that your test board has through hole parts only. It's the SMDs that break. I created my PCB file using gsch2pcb at the very beginning. I'll play around a little bit to find out why my PCB breaks while yours won't break. - - cl -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFL5XW9Wo2QgtqY4K8RAg0hAJ9zerYpjuS6F6BmZLuujROMIGbw8gCgsVxG kFfzTMXMFL2OC14UHovgYsY= =UAf9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
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Christoph Lechner wrote:
I created my PCB file using gsch2pcb at the very beginning. I'll play
around a little bit to find out why my PCB breaks while yours won't break.
Created a simple test case that reproduces the problem for me. Looks
like gsch2pcb does something that pcb dislikes.
For me it breaks when I open the file (created by gsch2pcb), add some
new layers and press 'o' to optimize rats. Please the the tar file tc.tgz.
When I start up pcb with a new file, doing some stuff, and then adding
some new layers it won't break. I just added two 1206 to a new PCB
(created by pcb) and a net (by drawing on the rats layer). Then I routed
the net by hand. Here adding some layers won't break it. File
'wontbreak.pcb'.
I'm still running the old geda 1.4.0.
PCB version 20091103 (but pcb-20081128 has the same behavior).
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Description: application/compressed-tar
# release: pcb 20091103
# date:Sat May 8 16:25:34 2010
# user:cl (,,,)
# host:localhost.localdomain
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file version
FileVersion[20070407]
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Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
my...@iae.nl wrote: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb-quick_reference I have looked at the wiki page above and found difference with my (standard) configuration. \ thin-draw toggles thin draw mode for me it only works with shift-\ or (|) thin-draw Is this an error in the wiki of in my configuration? It is an error in the wiki (which I just corrected). Key accels seem to have evolved a bit since this page was thoroughly checked for the last time. I spotted the obsolete accel shift-b and a misleading description of esc as enter panning mode. Some tab accels were missing as was alt-a to select all objects. The meaning of shift-del got transferred to shift-backspace and shift-del now deletes selected objects. These are corrected now. But there are certainly some more glitches. Just trying to be helpful. You were. Please report if you see more inconsistencies. Or even better: Ask Ales for a login and correct the wiki by yourself. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
Christoph Lechner wrote: The reason for that could be that your test board has through hole parts only. It's the SMDs that break. The resistors R1 - R4 are SMD footprint 0805 ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
Did you check the layer groups after adding, to make sure they still made sense? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
patch attached. (removes the lines for shift-v, alt-shift-v, alt-v and alt-shift-v) Those keys work just fine in PCB, so patch not applied. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
I have looked at the wiki page above and found difference with my (standard) configuration. \ thin-draw toggles thin draw mode for me it only works with shift-\ or (|) thin-draw Is this an error in the wiki of in my configuration? Thin draw has always been on the | (shift-\) key. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
DJ Delorie wrote: patch attached. (removes the lines for shift-v, alt-shift-v, alt-v and alt-shift-v) Those keys work just fine in PCB, so patch not applied. They do not in GTK-HID, which is, what the file gpcb-menu.res refers to. I tried with pcb 20091103 as packaged by debian/squeeze, pcb-head from git and with the GL-enabled version from the before_pours branch of Peter C. In none of these versions a via inserted with the via tool responds to any of the v-accels. Since via sizes can be incremented with the s-key and its various modifiers, such a binding would be redundant, anyway. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:19 AM, kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: They do not in GTK-HID, which is, what the file gpcb-menu.res refers to. I tried with pcb 20091103 as packaged by debian/squeeze, pcb-head from git and with the GL-enabled version from the before_pours branch of Peter C. In none of these versions a via inserted with the via tool responds to any of the v-accels. Since via sizes can be incremented with the s-key and its various modifiers, such a binding would be redundant, anyway. They change the size of new vias (i.e. what will be created when you place a via), not existing vias. Look at the status line along the bottom at the via= as you hit the *-v combos. Jared ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pin swapping idea
DJ Delorie wrote: Had an idea about back-annotating pin swaps. Why is this on the devel list, where mere users are not allowed to write and hardly read? The big issue is figuring out how to back-annotate from pcb to gschem. So... why do we need to? Because a schematic should contain the information on which slot a symbol corresponds to. gschem need not know about physical packages or pins, ever, unless you want to back-annotate a whole board (or merge the pinmap into a separate set of schematics for reference). gschem may not need to know, but I need to, when I look at the schematic. A pretty common scenario with my kind of analog prtojects: For some reason I know, there is a problem with a certain analog switch. This switch happens to be one of the four slots of IC7. The value of the slot attribute is visible on the schematic and says it is number 1. Thus I know, I have to poke at pin 1-3 of IC7 for debugging. If the slotting information would reside in the layout only, I'd have to back-engineer form the actual tracks on the layout which pins to look at. How confused would gschem get if we omitted pin numbers from it completely? Me, the reader of the schematic would be quite confused. I deliberately have pin numbers printed on the schematic for more complex ICs. This helps a lot during debugging stage of prototypes. It provides a convenient way to know at what pin to stick the scope probe. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: [OT?] Best way to do Multiple Monitors?
I want to get my machine set up with two monitors. Is it better to get a single video card that can handle multiple monitors, or to have two different video cards? Seems like two cards would take more power (make more heat) than a single card (Want to be conscious of the Electric Bill)? Beyond a rare occasional games of Chess I never play games, always doing CAD type stuff, so not looking for high end gaming card. I'm not particularly found of NVidia, which is my current card and locks up my box if I use their closed source drivers. Machine is a AMD64 box running Gentoo-Linux. Want something that supports AMD64 and will be supported for a few years. What are the best options for cards with prices below $300 (the budgeted amount), from real experiences? -- http://www.wearablesmartsensors.com/ http://www.softwaresafety.net/ http://www.designer-iii.com/ http://www.unusualresearch.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
Jared Casper wrote: They change the size of new vias (i.e. what will be created when you place a via), not existing vias. Look at the status line along the bottom at the via= as you hit the *-v combos. Ah, I see. So the description in the wiki and in the key bindings menu needs to reflect this. How about this: Size of via tool +5 mil Shift+V Size of via tool -5 mil Shift+Ctrl+V Drill of via tool +5 mil Alt+V Drill of via tool -5 mil Shift+Alt+V Skipping through the menu, there are more items that might benefit from a more verbose description. --)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pin swapping idea
On May 8, 2010, at 10:43 AM, kai-martin knaak wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: Had an idea about back-annotating pin swaps. Why is this on the devel list, where mere users are not allowed to write and hardly read? The big issue is figuring out how to back-annotate from pcb to gschem. So... why do we need to? Because a schematic should contain the information on which slot a symbol corresponds to. gschem need not know about physical packages or pins, ever, unless you want to back-annotate a whole board (or merge the pinmap into a separate set of schematics for reference). gschem may not need to know, but I need to, when I look at the schematic. A pretty common scenario with my kind of analog prtojects: For some reason I know, there is a problem with a certain analog switch. This switch happens to be one of the four slots of IC7. The value of the slot attribute is visible on the schematic and says it is number 1. Thus I know, I have to poke at pin 1-3 of IC7 for debugging. If the slotting information would reside in the layout only, I'd have to back-engineer form the actual tracks on the layout which pins to look at. How confused would gschem get if we omitted pin numbers from it completely? gschem doesn't get confused, but gnetlist does. Me, the reader of the schematic would be quite confused. I deliberately have pin numbers printed on the schematic for more complex ICs. This helps a lot during debugging stage of prototypes. It provides a convenient way to know at what pin to stick the scope probe. For a clean flow, I'd want the annotated schematics that go into the documentation to be distinct from the source schematics that I edit. I emphatically reject back-annotation as a serious problem for reuse and automated flow. Others have other ideas, so any facility should support both flavors of annotation. Of course, a well factored facility would make this trivial. But, for example, wiring it into gschem would problematic. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT?] Best way to do Multiple Monitors?
On Sat, 8 May 2010 12:58:52 -0400 Bob Paddock bob.padd...@gmail.com wrote: I want to get my machine set up with two monitors. Is it better to get a single video card that can handle multiple monitors, or to have two different video cards? [...] What are the best options for cards with prices below $300 (the budgeted amount), from real experiences? I use an nVidia GF 6800 (Apollo-branded) in an AMD64 Gentoo system, using the 195.36.15 driver. It only cost something like $130 when I bought it new, online, about four years ago. It is dual-head (one VGA, one DVI), has 128MB onboard, and it's reasonably fast. I use it with a pair of fairly non-descript Dell flat panel monitors (each at 1280x1024) via the nVidia twinview feature. If you ever do decide to throw something 3D at it, it'll handle stuff like OpenArena/quake3 and similar, Google Earth (but if you turn on the 3D buildings, heavily populated areas will be kinda slow). You get the idea. As I said though, it's a somewhat older card now, so it's only AGP and hard to find, but if you can find one, it'll do well for this kind of work. Other similar cards from this same era should also be fine, and they'll use the same driver series. No need to spend 300 bucks on a high end card. -- There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves. http://starbase.globalpc.net/~ezekowitz Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT?] Best way to do Multiple Monitors?
Bob Paddock wrote: Is it better to get a single video card that can handle multiple monitors, or to have two different video cards? A single card is standard. I'm not particularly found of NVidia, which is my current card and locks up my box if I use their closed source drivers. Nvidia is still the way to go with linux. I use dual head at work and at home. At work, it is a quadro 220 pci-e card and at home its a Geforce 7600 GT in an AGP slot. Machine is a AMD64 box running Gentoo-Linux. PCI-E, or AGP? Want something that supports AMD64 and will be supported for a few years. How would the width of the processor bus interfere with the graphics card? What are the best options for cards with prices below $300 300 USD are much more than you need to spend these days for decent dual head cards. Geforce 8400 cards are about 30 EUR over here in europe. Just make sure, memory is 512 MB rather than 256. Some of them are even fan less and don't add to the noise of your box. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DJ Delorie wrote: Did you check the layer groups after adding, to make sure they still made sense? The new layer has been added to group 2 (group 2 contains three pre-defined layers: 'component', 'GND-comp', 'Vcc-comp'). Nothing else was changed in the layer grouping. I just press the add button in the Preferences dialog. IMHO quite interesting, only the files I create using gsch2pcb (from geda 1.4.0) break. The ones I create from scratch using pcb only and the file sent by kai-martin don't cause any trouble when I add additional layers. On Monday I'll create a PCB file with gsch2pcb from the current gEDA release. - - cl -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFL5bHqWo2QgtqY4K8RAvM9AJ48QumCpE2WlIC5YU3TbRD7E0JkFgCcDuQF QptzZQfqLdiC8oKc3YnKT6o= =yai1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kai-martin knaak wrote: Christoph Lechner wrote: The reason for that could be that your test board has through hole parts only. It's the SMDs that break. The resistors R1 - R4 are SMD footprint 0805 Your right. I missed that. But your design 'survives' the insertion of additional layers nevertheless. - - cl -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFL5bH7Wo2QgtqY4K8RAr+8AJwJTgbk5/Af11jCe9l8dLvkjPAAZgCfShll HjwhDiV2huXG8JbAOfD7vwA= =fTKX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
Christoph Lechner wrote: IMHO quite interesting, only the files I create using gsch2pcb (from geda 1.4.0) break. The ones I create from scratch using pcb only and the file sent by kai-martin don't cause any trouble when I add additional layers. Maybe, this is another instance of the infamous hyphenation bug. Do any of your footprints have a hyphen - in their file name? Unless the hyphen separates a revision number at the end of the file, it is a source of grief. gnetlist interprets it as part of a m4 definition and goes ahead. This can result in very strange behavior in pcb. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB: How do I insert a new layer without breaking the layout?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kai-martin knaak wrote: Christoph Lechner wrote: IMHO quite interesting, only the files I create using gsch2pcb (from geda 1.4.0) break. The ones I create from scratch using pcb only and the file sent by kai-martin don't cause any trouble when I add additional layers. Maybe, this is another instance of the infamous hyphenation bug. Do any of your footprints have a hyphen - in their file name? Unless the hyphen separates a revision number at the end of the file, it is a source of grief. gnetlist interprets it as part of a m4 definition and goes ahead. This can result in very strange behavior in pcb. Indeed, some of my pcb footprints have a '-' in their filenames. But why does the strange behavior even occur when there are only two 1206 around? - - cl -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFL5b7XWo2QgtqY4K8RAiQ+AJ9jjyGohSKQOUpReHD5dXu7MImZ7QCgkJ2W YHDP/xgu66wu2HuytguAOso= =x3vW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How do I mark the connection point on a pad?
They do not in GTK-HID, which is, what the file gpcb-menu.res refers to. It worked for me with the GTK hid. The keys change the size of *new* vias, not the size of *existing* vias. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pin swapping idea
Why is this on the devel list, where mere users are not allowed to write and hardly read? Because I was asking about the internals of gschem. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT?] Best way to do Multiple Monitors?
On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 17:28 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 20:14 +0200, kai-martin knaak wrote: Nvidia is still the way to go with linux. (Kai-Martin, please check your mail settings -- replying to your mail gave Post To: gmane.comp.cad.geda.user as destination, so reply failed from evolution email client.) Are you really sure? 4 years ago this was true, so I have a nvidia card in my old box. I am not really happy with that closed source nvidia driver, but it works -- I know there is a new open source alternative available now, but with no 3D support and no good power saving... But now, with ATI/AMD: They have fine cards with open source drivers. So I am sure my next graphics card is ATI/AMD -- maybe no separate card, but onboard ATI/AMD graphics. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pin swapping idea
DJ Delorie wrote: Why is this on the devel list, where mere users are not allowed to write and hardly read? Because I was asking about the internals of gschem. Shifting the information on slotting and pin numbers away from gschem clearly affects more than just the internals. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was Re: gattrib)
DJ Delorie wrote: If gedasymbols is good, what's wrong with a tool to allow easier access to a gedasymbols-like-but-more-organized database? I've stated before, I have no problem with people figuring out ways to pull gedasymbols content into geda's tools over the web. IIRC there was one such implementation already. Also, I spec'd out a CSV format for gedasymbols so that people could start storing database-like info there as well as the symbols/footprints that go with it. A very good approach IMO. The SQL COPY command, at least with PostgreSQL, can use CSV files as input and output. A drawback of the COPY command (not CSV) is, that constraints are turned off to speed the processing. It is however easy, to circumvent this problem: * copy into an empty database * run queries, that test the constraints * if all is ok, copy into the live system * if there is trouble, the database (test query) will tell you, where the problem in the CSV file is, at least indirectly I've also said before that the database should be some global composite database, including multiple sources including gedasymbols. gEDA is a community project, why shouldn't the database be too? Sure. One thing I want to consider here is, that too high a complexity in the design of the database may prevent the average user from fixing input errors like injecting wrong pin-mappings. How to go about this must be well documented and relatively easy. Armin ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT?] Best way to do Multiple Monitors?
On Sat, 8 May 2010, DJ Delorie wrote: Is it better to get a single video card that can handle multiple monitors, Yes. Most cards have hardware support for turning two monitors into a single synthetic monitor, and everything works. If you have two cards, you don't always get one monitor out of the two monitors, even when it acts like one monitor, because the combining is done in software instead of hardware. What I'd like to figure out is how to get a multi-head setup such that for each monitor has its own set of virtual desktops. Last time I checked, that was tricky or not yet implemented. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT?] Best way to do Multiple Monitors?
Stefan Salewski wrote: Nvidia is still the way to go with linux. (Kai-Martin, please check your mail settings -- replying to your mail gave Post To: gmane.comp.cad.geda.user as destination, so reply failed from evolution email client.) I removed the follow-up header with this posting. Does this work better for you? Are you really sure? 4 years ago this was true, so I have a nvidia card in my old box. Well, I intend to buy a new laptop and asked in de.comp.os.unix.misc what graphic chips to prefer. People still were not very fond of ati. You may read yourself: http://groups.google.com/group/de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/3e66f941a4d05798/4db2856a6fc24704?hl=enie=UTF-8q=%22+Graphikchips+f%C3%BCr+OpenGL%22#4db2856a6fc24704 Just last week I purchased a nvidia card for a box whose on-board graphics failed. A freshly installed debian/lenny chose the generic vesa driver and openGL ran with fairly decent frame rates. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: [OT?] Best way to do Multiple Monitors?
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 00:35 +0200, kai-martin knaak wrote: I removed the follow-up header with this posting. Does this work better for youellw? Yes, seems to work now, thanks. Are you really sure? 4 years ago this was true, so I have a nvidia card in my old box. Well, I intend to buy a new laptop and asked in de.comp.os.unix.misc what graphic chips to prefer. People still were not very fond of ati. You may read yourself: http://groups.google.com/group/de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/3e66f941a4d05798/4db2856a6fc24704?hl=enie=UTF-8q=%22+Graphikchips+f%C3%BCr+OpenGL%22#4db2856a6fc24704 Just last week I purchased a nvidia card for a box whose on-board graphics failed. A freshly installed debian/lenny chose the generic vesa driver and openGL ran with fairly decent frame rates. Well, Linux support of AMD/ATI may be not perfect now. But they offer open sources and full specs for their cards. Some years ago we were only dreaming about this. That was the time when Timothy Miller started his open graphics project... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
