gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Hello all, yesterday I tried to replace a number of 2-pin jumpers (footprint JUMPER2) with solder jumpers. gschem2pcb does it's duty, removes the old footprints and provides the new ones. The rats nest is drawn correctly. However if I try to connect these new footprints with anything, the connection is simply ignored. Optimize the rats nest and the yellow lines don't vanish, the number of missing connections is kept. The autorouter doesn't do anything, als everything else is connected. Instead I even get DRC errors stating the track and the pad are too close *sigh* After googling and reading the pcb handbook for the better part of a day I'm stuck. Whatever I try, pads can't be connected to anything. Not on the solder side, not on the top side, not to vias. What's the secret? The most simple footprint I tried looks that: Element[ Solder Jumper on the solder side JUMPER_SOLDER 10 10 -5000 5000 0 100 ] ( Pad[2200 -1500 2200 1500 3600 3200 2000 1 1 square] Pad[-2200 -1500 -2200 1500 3600 3200 2000 2 2 square] ElementLine [ ... ) I'm using the software packaged with Ubuntu 10.04 on AMD64, which appears to be version 20091103. BTW., the reason I started using gEDA is to develop electronics for another open source project, RepRap. See http://reprap.org/wiki/Generation_7_Electronics . Thanks, Markus ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Markus Hitter: ... Whatever I try, pads can't be connected to anything. Not on the solder side, not on the top side, not to vias. The footprint pads might be on the component side. What's the secret? The most simple footprint I tried looks that: Element[ Solder Jumper on the solder side JUMPER_SOLDER 10 10 -5000 5000 0 100 ] ( Pad[2200 -1500 2200 1500 3600 3200 2000 1 1 square] Pad[-2200 -1500 -2200 1500 3600 3200 2000 2 2 square] ElementLine [ ... ) If your traces are on the solder side, try to add onsolder after square, like Pad[2200 -1500 2200 1500 3600 3200 2000 1 1 square,onsolder] There is also under Edit-Move to current Layer M, but I haven't been able to move a footprint to the solder layer with that. Regards, /Karl Hammar - Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 15:35 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: There is also under Edit-Move to current Layer M, but I haven't been able to move a footprint to the solder layer with that. Of course you can not move it to inner layers, so Move to current Layer makes not much sense. Hoover mouse over footprint and press key b -- this is for lesstif, but may work for gtk too. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 15:47 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: For replacing footprints there is a special mode which allows you to replace single footprints -- sorry can not remember currently. It is Load element data to paste buffer, and now SHIFT LEFT MOUSE CLICK over old elements. That will replace the footprint, but you still may have to rotate it. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Markus Hitter wrote: Instead I even get DRC errors stating the track and the pad are too close *sigh* Maybe your design rules are prohibiting making the connection? You could try disabling the auto enforce drc clearance - look under the settings menu selections. If that works out, you may have to change your design rules (menu File-Preferences-Sizes-DesignRuleChecking). Otherwise, change the spacing on your solder jumper. I see that you have the pads about 8.1 mils apart - that's pretty close. Check your design rules. gene ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
ElementLine [ ... is that a typo? The line is incomplete. I deleted, and then loaded the part onto a layout, which worked out. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Am 17.10.2010 um 15:47 schrieb Stefan Salewski: On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 14:50 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Hello all, yesterday I tried to replace a number of 2-pin jumpers (footprint JUMPER2) with solder jumpers. Of course, this should work fine, it does for me. gsch2pcb removes the old footprints, but for my 2009 snapshot it has not put the new ones, you have to do something like load element data to buffer to insert the new ones, and you may have to load the new netlist again. And you have to watch for the orientation of the new footprints, you may have to rotate them 180 degree. And press O key to update ratsnest. Did you make your layout with the autorouter? I have done all manually, so I am not sure if the autorouter needs special care when exchanging footprints. For replacing footprints there is a special mode which allows you to replace single footprints -- sorry can not remember currently. Thanks for the quick answer, Karl, Stefan. All what you suggest works fine already. The new pads appear, I route mostly manually and I can flip the pad The problem is, an overlap between a pad and a track isn't recognized as a connection. I'll try to show this with a screenshot, the rats nest is freshly optimized: inline: Bildschirmfoto.png Markus ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
If you are willing, send the .pcb file over. I can take a closer look. gene ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 16:20 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: The problem is, an overlap between a pad and a track isn't recognized as a connection. That would make sense if your dark red traces are on an inner layer. As gene glick wrote, you may send a board for investigation. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Am 17.10.2010 um 16:17 schrieb gene glick: ElementLine [ ... is that a typo? It's an intentional cut to keep the message short. There are further ElementLines. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Am 17.10.2010 um 16:25 schrieb gene glick: If you are willing, send the .pcb file over. I can take a closer look. That would be greatly appreciated! Schematics and the board with the 2-pin jumpers are on Github, it's the Gen7Board.xxx: http://github.com/Traumflug/Generation_7_Electronics I've attached here my current version of the solder jumper, it's a bit different from what you see on the screenshot. JUMPER_SOLDER.fp Description: Binary data The jumpers I want to replace are J1 ... J12, placed horizontally in the upper half. Markus ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems [was: pcb crooked traces]
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 11:54 -0700, Andrew Poelstra wrote: The reason for it is that this is generally how drawing canvases work, so from a programmer's perspective, it is simpler to have y pointing down. WHY? Mainly because that has been the standard at least since Televisions were invented. The beam in a CRT scans from left-to-right, top-to-bottom. It's codified in the NTSC standard. So (x,y)=(0,0) is the upper left corner. Why are CRT's like this? Probably because words in books are also oriented left-to-right, top-to-bottom. Maybe if the television had been invented in the middle-east it would be different. I've got several digital image processing books on my shelf, the oldest is from 1972. Every one of them defines (x,y)=(0,0) as the upper left corner of an image. y as positive down, and x as positive right is simply the de-facto standard in digital image processing. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 16:54 +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 17.10.2010 um 16:25 schrieb gene glick: If you are willing, send the .pcb file over. I can take a closer look. That would be greatly appreciated! Schematics and the board with the 2-pin jumpers are on Github, it's the Gen7Board.xxx: http://github.com/Traumflug/Generation_7_Electronics I've attached here my current version of the solder jumper, it's a bit different from what you see on the screenshot. My initial guess: Your traces are not in the top and bottom groups, so it are inner layers. That works for true trough-hole parts, but you tried to replace with smd parts. Currently I an testing lesstif hid for gentoo, so all looks very strange to me, but my guess may be correct. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems [was: pcb crooked traces]
Am 17.10.2010 um 17:16 schrieb Levente Kovacs: I think that is why X11 has its coordinate system as is; and that is why PCB developers went that way. But a CAD tool is not about CRT display or image processing. I think we should change it; it looks very awkward for a new user, who doesn't know the story. Being a new gEDA user and fairly experienced with other CAD applications I can tell I couldn't care less. If one ever has to enter or read coordinates manually, there's something incomplete or wrong with the GUI. another EUR 0.02 :-) Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 17:20 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: My initial guess: Your traces are not in the top and bottom groups, so Use the layers dialog, and make it similar as tut1.pcb for two layer layout. solder x GND-solder x VCC-solder x comonent x GND-component x Vcc-component x unused unused (bottom) x (top) x I set up layers stack when I start a new layout, but I think it will work if you change it now. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Am 17.10.2010 um 17:44 schrieb Stefan Salewski: solder x GND-solder x VCC-solder x comonent x GND-component x Vcc-component x unused unused (bottom) x (top) x I set up layers stack when I start a new layout, but I think it will work if you change it now. Heck, adopting the last two lines of the scheme above worked like a charme. Thanks a lot for the help everybody! Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
Am 17.10.2010 um 17:55 schrieb Stephan Boettcher: With gEDA, we do not use GUIs, we enter the schematics and the layout in emacs ... ... at least parts of it, sometimes. Ah, emacs people here. This explains a lot. Just for your entertainment: http://reprap.org/wiki/PCB_Milling#gerbv gEDA is yet another software suite with schematic and PCB layout editor. It wasn't included in the set of preferred choices here because it requires hand-coding of text files in between usage of the different GUI tools. Markus ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
Levente Kovacs wrote: Well, take a footprint for example. How do you edit the solder mask opening with the GUI? I don't think there is a way to do that with the GUI. There are two ways ;-) 1) activate solder mask 2) let the mouse hover over the object you want to manipulate 3) type [k] to increase and [shift-k] to decrease the mask distance Alternatively: 1) activate solder mask 2) select the objects you want to manipulate 3) type [:] to open the command window 4) type ChangeClearSize(Selected, value, unit) where a signed value will be an increment/decrement, and unit may be mil, or mm IMHO, we'd need a footprint editor as well. I'd prefer a footprint-mode. I do all my footprints with the GUI and got used to quite a number of work-arounds. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems [was: pcb crooked traces]
Phillip Jones wrote: I disagree. There are situations I can think of in which manually entering coordinates would be simpler than using a GUI method. I definitely think we sould flip the coordinate grid, but what would that do to exiting files? Version the file format. Introduce a new PCB_FILE_VERSION. If this is defined in the file then call the appropriate read function, if it is not defined then use the old function. The file format of pcb-boards is versioned, the footprints aren't. Both use the Y+ is down cs now, but clearly that's the only solution for both ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCB Assembly process
Hello all, I have an question for PCB board assembly company's in Europe. At the moment i work together with PCB pool i generate with the pcb program gerber files and submit it via web and a few day's later i got my PCB :) works very nice. Very cool stuff thanx's a lot for this wonderful and genius software. At the moment i plan to do a produce of 400 PCB's. And let the machines the assembly part. at the moment PCB pool supports only EAGLE or TARGET files for automatic assembly machines. Is there an tutorial which information need an assembly company for part's placement ? Or is there an list of assembly company's that can do this with geda PCB ? best regards Michael -- [] this Email is made of 100% Recyclable elektrons [] url : www.smog.at [] mailto : michael.the...@smog.at [] key: www.smog.at/key ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:07:18 +0200 kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: There are two ways ;-) 1) activate solder mask 2) let the mouse hover over the object you want to manipulate 3) type [k] to increase and [shift-k] to decrease the mask distance Alternatively: 1) activate solder mask 2) select the objects you want to manipulate 3) type [:] to open the command window 4) type ChangeClearSize(Selected, value, unit) where a signed value will be an increment/decrement, and unit may be mil, or mm Both examples work on a footprint placed on a layout. I am talking about a footprint itself. Off course, you can copy a footprint into the buffer, rip up, edit, convert it back again to a footprint, copy to buffer, and overwrite the old one. Yes, I use VI to edit the soldermask openings. :-) A footprint mode is okay with me. I am thinking about a script that can run through my footprints and modify such parameters like soldermask opening and keepaway, etc. in one go; controlled by my Makefile system. We'd need such tool as well, regardless of the ability of PCB itself. P.S.: tell me, if there any script that does today... Levente -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB Assembly process
I'm not sure which assembly house you plan to use, but all that I have used work the same way. You provide the Gerbers (or that boards), a BOM and an XYRS file. If they can't work with that, they won't be doing much business. Is TARGET a PCB layout program? When in doubt, you need to ask the assembly house, not strangers. Communicate with your vendors, they will appreciate it. Rick At 03:22 PM 10/17/2010, you wrote: Hello all, I have an question for PCB board assembly company's in Europe. At the moment i work together with PCB pool i generate with the pcb program gerber files and submit it via web and a few day's later i got my PCB :) works very nice. Very cool stuff thanx's a lot for this wonderful and genius software. At the moment i plan to do a produce of 400 PCB's. And let the machines the assembly part. at the moment PCB pool supports only EAGLE or TARGET files for automatic assembly machines. Is there an tutorial which information need an assembly company for part's placement ? Or is there an list of assembly company's that can do this with geda PCB ? best regards Michael -- [] this Email is made of 100% Recyclable elektrons [] url : www.smog.at [] mailto : michael.the...@smog.at [] key: www.smog.at/key ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
Levente Kovacs wrote: Both examples work on a footprint placed on a layout. I am talking about a footprint itself. Off course, you can copy a footprint into the buffer, rip up, edit, convert it back again to a footprint, copy to buffer, and overwrite the old one. conversion and rip-up is not necessary in this case. I'd rather avoid this, because you loose the some information during the process. (pin numbers, placement of the name) Just change the solder mask of a footprint placed somewhere on the canvas. When done, copy the footprint to the buffer and overwrite the previous version in the library. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB Assembly process
Michael Theurl wrote: Is there an tutorial which information need an assembly company for part's placement ? The companies I worked with, were fine with the gerbers and a BOM :-) Or is there an list of assembly company's that can do this with geda PCB ? My favorite company is SRM printtechnik GmbH in Berlin. They do both, produce boards and populate them. Reasonable pricing, too. I never tried their board service, though. Give them a call. For population, Mr Schmidt is the one to talk to: http://srm-printtechnik.de/srm_kontakt_main.html ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB Assembly process
Hy, Thank's, so there is no magic :) i will call him. greets Michael On Oct 17, 2010, at 9:53 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: Michael Theurl wrote: Is there an tutorial which information need an assembly company for part's placement ? The companies I worked with, were fine with the gerbers and a BOM :-) Or is there an list of assembly company's that can do this with geda PCB ? My favorite company is SRM printtechnik GmbH in Berlin. They do both, produce boards and populate them. Reasonable pricing, too. I never tried their board service, though. Give them a call. For population, Mr Schmidt is the one to talk to: http://srm-printtechnik.de/srm_kontakt_main.html ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- [] this Email is made of 100% Recyclable elektrons [] url : www.smog.at [] mailto : michael.the...@smog.at [] key: www.smog.at/key ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: How to connect pads to anything?
Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de writes: What I wanted to say was: Move to current Layer makes not much sense for footprints, because we can have inner layers, it does make sense, sometimes ... but we can not move footprints to that layers. ... pity -- Stephan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
Am 17.10.2010 um 20:28 schrieb kai-martin knaak: Markus Hitter wrote: http://reprap.org/wiki/PCB_Milling#gerbv gEDA is yet another software suite with schematic and PCB layout editor. It wasn't included in the set of preferred choices here because it requires hand-coding of text files in between usage of the different GUI tools. Actually, it does not. You can do the whole work-flow in GUI-mode only. You can use xgsch2pcb or the shiny new pull feature of pcb to eliminate the command line, too. That said, sometimes it is just easier to tweak the *.sch, or *.pcb files than use the GUIs. The reprap example shows how slightly misunderstood concepts may scare away potential new users/projects. As I wrote most of this RepRap Wiki page myself, I can also explain how this happened. When looking on how and wether to get away from the free but closed source Eagle I tried a small 8 elements electronics project on Eagle, KiCad, Fritzing and gEDA. All from creating schematics to the finished GCode needed for milling the PCB. RepRap is about machines replicating it's self, so getting boards from some industry company should be avoided as much as possible. Regarding gEDA, your home page recommends the gsch2pcb tutorial http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial for new users, so I started with that. If you look at this tutorial, it's full of command line stuff. Edit preferences files here, enter paths there, it even talks about manually fixing errors which occur ineviteably. Uh. I did the first steps successfully but when I messed up in either gschem or pcb the third time just because they use different mouse buttons for panning and zooming, I also started to wonder how I would explain all this stuff to these 16 year old schoolboys showing up at RepRap. I couldn't imagine that. Now it's a few weeks later and I use gEDA anyways, because I deviate from a part of the project done by an gEDA expert. I got accustomed somewhat to the inconsistent interfaces, found some spots of excellent GUI - DRC results or the layer setup editor, for example - and the suite starts to show it's bright side. Still it's difficult to explain this software to others. In case I'm allowed to write down my three biggest wishes, here they are: - Get that thing packaged as soon as a new release is done. Only software developers install from source these days. As far as I can see, Debian and the just released Ubuntu 10.10 still distribute the Nov 2009 release. - Get the interface, especially mouse button behaviour, consistent between all parts of the suite. At least for a default installation. It doesn't matter wether you have to use the middle or right mouse button to pan around, but having different buttons for applications you often switch in between is a non-starter. And no, pointing to the key bindings editor doesn't help, because people would have to learn that instead of learning how to get their project done. - Write a new tutorial. With a few pictures like before, and without any asking for editing text files. I've learned about xgsch2pcb and pull just with the email cited above, after reading many hours in various parts of the gEDA documentation. There is simply no hint such great features exist, so many users never find them. Yes, this type of public relations work is sometimes tedious, but it will undoubtly bring you a lot of new users as well. As far as I can tell gEDA is the most reliable and powerful choice of open source EDA. The text file format makes it attractive for experts. gEDA's GUI can be brought on par with Eagle or KiCad easily, so there's no reason to miss that opportunity. Thanks for listening, Markus ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:22:05 +0200 Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: [...] I consider myself a geek, who doesn't mind editing text files, etc, however, I see your point, and I think you've got it right. Anyways... attached is my gpcb-menu.res, which addresses the panning problem. :-) Levente -- Levente Kovacs http://levente.logonex.eu gpcb-menu.res Description: Binary data ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de writes: - Get that thing packaged as soon as a new release is done. Only software developers install from source these days. As far as I can see, Debian and the just released Ubuntu 10.10 still distribute the Nov 2009 release. I am using Debian unstable (sid). Even there I get PCB version 20091103. I have very mixed feelings about that. In most times, I prefer to cutting edge software. If something breaks, I can fix it. But for PCB layout, a bit of stability is good, for long running projects at least. During space flight board designs, I was compiling from a tarball and made sure I did not upgrade until the final flight boards were made, populated, tested. Current Debian PCB cannot read those early flight layouts any more. The ground planes get messed up. But in between really important designs, I am happy with the rather stable Debian version. If my .emacs file breaks with an emacs upgrade, no harm is done to my files. When a PCB upgrade messes with my current layout, ... The downside is, I do not get to use the new features in development, and I do not participate in testing those. And when all those new feature are dumped at me eventually, I'll nee be very careful when to upgrade. Maybe, when I finished the current series of rather complex boards, I may switch to track some git tree. But do not even really know which git tree I should track. -- Stephan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Gentoo pcb-20100929.ebuild
I have send it to the developers, see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341489 may take some days to go into the official tree, if you need it now, you may pull it from that page and copy to your local overlay. Let me know if there are any problems. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
Markus Hitter wrote: - Get the interface, especially mouse button behaviour, consistent between all parts of the suite. yes, yes, yes! And make the most important keyboard shortcuts compatible, too. - Write a new tutorial. With a few pictures like before, and without any asking for editing text files. You've got a point here. It's been quite some time since I did the tutorial myself. But I still remember that the first part of it was a bit confusing and tedious. I think you are right. The tutorial is in need for a rewrite. I've learned about xgsch2pcb and pull just with the email cited above, Well, pcb pull was added this summer. So this is a brand new feature and not very established among regular users. The utility xgsch2pcb on the other hand was initially labeled proof-of-concept by the developer. It proved pretty usable but still has its edges. For example, it does not play nice with hierarchical schematics. gEDA's GUI can be brought on par with Eagle or KiCad easily, so there's no reason to miss that opportunity. The good news: There was a discussion on revamping the pcb GUI on Kthe list lately. The bad news: I don't remember any of the established developers engage much in the discussion. Hopefully the new developers elan will suffice to get some of the proposed changes done and accepted by the established developers. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
- Write a new tutorial. With a few pictures like before, and without any asking for editing text files. You've got a point here. It's been quite some time since I did the tutorial myself. But I still remember that the first part of it was a bit confusing and tedious. I think you are right. The tutorial is in need for a rewrite. I've recently started using PCB and found the tutorial difficult to follow and inaccurate at several steps. I thought I would go ahead and update the wiki to help anyone else who followed the guide after me, but unfortunately it seems that it is not possible to get an account to edit the wiki. I emailed a request for an account (as indicated on the wiki itself) and never received a reply. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
I've recently started using PCB and found the tutorial difficult to follow and inaccurate at several steps. Which one? I've written a new one here: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: coordinate systems
Phillip Jones wrote: I emailed a request for an account (as indicated on the wiki itself) and never received a reply. Oh dear. This seems like a single point of failure in the system. Haven't heard from Ales lately. On vacation, maybe? ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x6C0B9F53 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Gentoo pcb-20100929.ebuild
Great I will give it a whirl. Thank you. On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: I have send it to the developers, see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341489 may take some days to go into the official tree, if you need it now, you may pull it from that page and copy to your local overlay. Let me know if there are any problems. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
