Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hi Johannes, On Samstag, 12. Juli 2008, Johannes Bauer wrote: Werner Hoch schrieb: Now you should be able to compile the new code and play with it. Hmm - I did exactly as you described it, it all worked fine. However, the compiled version (gEDA/gschem version 1.5.0.20080706) does not appear to be any different from the standard development version (i.e. I do not see how to enable net highlighting). Am I doing something wrong yet again or are there keys to enable highlighting or something like that? I've searched the menus, but couldn't locate any option that'd fit. There's no option in the menus. Even the options inside the config files are incomplete. Click once on a net, one segement gets selected Click again and all directly connected nets are selected Click again and all indirect (with netnames) connnected nets are selected. Note: Using one of the git tree viewers gitk or qgit will help you to understand the above steps. I will, as soon as I find the time! git seems to be capable of handling a *lot* more complex situations than svn does, I've just not had the time of fiddling around with it... I think git is just a little bit more powerfull. It's not harder to use than svn. Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hi Werner, Werner Hoch schrieb: Now you should be able to compile the new code and play with it. Hmm - I did exactly as you described it, it all worked fine. However, the compiled version (gEDA/gschem version 1.5.0.20080706) does not appear to be any different from the standard development version (i.e. I do not see how to enable net highlighting). Am I doing something wrong yet again or are there keys to enable highlighting or something like that? I've searched the menus, but couldn't locate any option that'd fit. Note: Using one of the git tree viewers gitk or qgit will help you to understand the above steps. I will, as soon as I find the time! git seems to be capable of handling a *lot* more complex situations than svn does, I've just not had the time of fiddling around with it... Kind regards, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hi Johannes, On Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008, Johannes Bauer wrote: Werner Hoch schrieb: I've just rebased the branch at repo.or.cz: http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-gaf/werner.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/net selection2 I've managed to check out the git repo, compiled it, but there doesn't seem to be the patch included. This is supposedly because of my pathetically marginal git knowledge. How do I check out that netselection2 patch? There are some notes in the geda wiki about how to use git: http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:scm Basicly you should clone the official geda repo first: git clone git://git.gpleda.org/gaf.git Then fetch the single branch netselection2 from my geda repository at repo.or.cz. You can fetch it into a local branch of your local geda repository: git fetch git://repo.or.cz/geda-gaf/werner.git netselection2:test_select After that you should have a lokal branch with the name test_select. Checkout the branch with: git checkout test_select Now you should be able to compile the new code and play with it. Regards Werner Note: Using one of the git tree viewers gitk or qgit will help you to understand the above steps. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hi Werner, Werner Hoch schrieb: Which patch have you used? Uh... I'm not sure anymore, there was only one on the page where you released it, IIRC. Or is it already in the SVN tree? We're using git. I've just rebased the branch at repo.or.cz: http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-gaf/werner.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/netselection2 It's now based on the 1.5.0 development snapshot. Alright, I'll try it out as soon as I find the time (that'll be in 2-3 hours). Note: There are some debugging printf's in the code. No problem. Are there plans to integrate it into mainline? Yes, but the net issue should be fixed first. Alright. Regards, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Werner Hoch schrieb: I've just rebased the branch at repo.or.cz: http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-gaf/werner.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/netselection2 I've managed to check out the git repo, compiled it, but there doesn't seem to be the patch included. This is supposedly because of my pathetically marginal git knowledge. How do I check out that netselection2 patch? Regards, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Werner Hoch schrieb: A patch is already there, but it's not entirely complete yet: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1895538group_id=161080atid=818428 Hmm - what's missing? I cannot patch against a current version (some HUNKs fail), is there a newer version? Or is it already in the SVN tree? Are there plans to integrate it into mainline? Regards, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
John Coppens schrieb: Why? If you draw a net, Ctrl-Z immediately deletes to the previous clicked point. No strange extra clicks? Alright I made screenshots of what I mean. Say I want to connect CA and VSS of the LCD. So I start out: http://bildrian.de/n/b/3a6e154e498138bd.png But then I click one tick too low, so it won't fit: http://bildrian.de/n/b/7c8c27d4a6d7b9cb.png I try to revert it (Ctrl-Z) and am stuck with this awkward situation: http://bildrian.de/n/b/748b38a9ad21caae.png Now, even when clicking, it only gets weirder... http://bildrian.de/n/b/f3c1aeb796b29c0c.png What I expect to happen: After my misclick and hitting Ctrl-Z I'd expect to be exactly where I was at picture #1 (i.e. the wire is still hanging on the CA leg and I can try again placing it). Make a selection which includes the net lines + the rectifier and you can move them all together. Of course there will be situations where you will have to touch up some nodes, particularly if you want to move diagonally. But even that, you can do with two different selections. Does it really make sense that networks get disconnected when joints are moved? Regards, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hi Johannes, On Montag, 7. Juli 2008, Johannes Bauer wrote: Werner Hoch schrieb: A patch is already there, but it's not entirely complete yet: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1895538gr oup_id=161080atid=818428 Hmm - what's missing? If a net is connected with a net label inside of two or more symbols, the connection is not tracking that connections. I cannot patch against a current version (some HUNKs fail), is there a newer version? Which patch have you used? Or is it already in the SVN tree? We're using git. I've just rebased the branch at repo.or.cz: http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-gaf/werner.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/netselection2 It's now based on the 1.5.0 development snapshot. Note: There are some debugging printf's in the code. Are there plans to integrate it into mainline? Yes, but the net issue should be fixed first. Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hi John, Johannes and all, On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 01:13 -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:04:52 +0200 Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Coppens schrieb: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible Oh, this is quite unfortunate, since that would be an interesting feature. Since the article you quoted was posted one year ago I believe that there are no attempts on implementing that either, are there? Not that I'm aware of One can always file a feature request at sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=161080atid=818429) Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hi all, On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Bert Timmerman wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 01:13 -0300, John Coppens wrote: Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Coppens schrieb: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible Oh, this is quite unfortunate, since that would be an interesting feature. Since the article you quoted was posted one year ago I believe that there are no attempts on implementing that either, are there? Not that I'm aware of One can always file a feature request at sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=161080atid=818429) A patch is already there, but it's not entirely complete yet: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1895538group_id=161080atid=818428 Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
John Coppens schrieb: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible Oh, this is quite unfortunate, since that would be an interesting feature. Since the article you quoted was posted one year ago I believe that there are no attempts on implementing that either, are there? 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? Right click will stop the current net, and left-click will restart the net (i.e. gschem remains in 'net' mode) What I meant was the following: You draw a net, which is quite long and has many corners. In the last step you misclick. Then you have to right-click, Ctrl-Z, left click the last point, left click the correct point, right click again. It would be nice if, after the misclick you'd hit, for example b which would revert the last network leg and still stay in network drawing mode (e.g. that you do not have to left click the last point again). I guess this isn't possible then? 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. If you drag the center (not the endpoints) of a segment, it'll move entirely (remaining connected to the net). I'm not sure what you mean... This is true. However, suppose I have the following constellation: http://bildrian.de/n/b/975ae00f165bc4ee.png Now I'm moving the rectifier to the lower left. No matter what legs I select together with the rectifier, I'll always end up having to fix one or two vertices, in this case two: http://bildrian.de/n/b/84c98f67a293d55d.png Therefore it'd be nice if the vertices of both leg nets could be moved simultaniously. I don't see any point on why it would make sense to rip the network apart upon movement of a vertex. Regards, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:04:52 +0200 Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Coppens schrieb: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible Oh, this is quite unfortunate, since that would be an interesting feature. Since the article you quoted was posted one year ago I believe that there are no attempts on implementing that either, are there? Not that I'm aware of 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? Right click will stop the current net, and left-click will restart the net (i.e. gschem remains in 'net' mode) What I meant was the following: You draw a net, which is quite long and has many corners. In the last step you misclick. Then you have to right-click, Ctrl-Z, left click the last point, left click the correct point, right click again. It would be nice if, after the misclick you'd hit, for example b which would revert the last network leg and still stay in network drawing mode (e.g. that you do not have to left click the last point again). I guess this isn't possible then? Why? If you draw a net, Ctrl-Z immediately deletes to the previous clicked point. No strange extra clicks? 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. If you drag the center (not the endpoints) of a segment, it'll move entirely (remaining connected to the net). I'm not sure what you mean... This is true. However, suppose I have the following constellation: http://bildrian.de/n/b/975ae00f165bc4ee.png Now I'm moving the rectifier to the lower left. No matter what legs I select together with the rectifier, I'll always end up having to fix one or two vertices, in this case two: http://bildrian.de/n/b/84c98f67a293d55d.png Therefore it'd be nice if the vertices of both leg nets could be moved simultaniously. I don't see any point on why it would make sense to rip the network apart upon movement of a vertex. Make a selection which includes the net lines + the rectifier and you can move them all together. Of course there will be situations where you will have to touch up some nodes, particularly if you want to move diagonally. But even that, you can do with two different selections. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Newbie questions
Hello list, I'm a total gEDA newbie and am pretty amazed about what is possible already. Still, I'm currently having some problems which probably are extremely easy to solve for some of you - most of them are only about usability. Currently I'm just designing with gschem, maybe do some PCBs later. So here are my questions, all about gschem: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? 3. When drawing nets, is it possible to just undo the last click while staying in network drawing mode? I currently always hit Escape, then mark the net, move the misplaced vertex, then again hit n. 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. Any help appreciated, Thanks, Johannes ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Newbie questions
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:37:51 +0200 Johannes Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I'm a total gEDA newbie and am pretty amazed about what is possible already. Still, I'm currently having some problems which probably are extremely easy to solve for some of you - most of them are only about usability. Currently I'm just designing with gschem, maybe do some PCBs later. So here are my questions, all about gschem: 1. How can I highlight a complete net in gschem? I have mostly stuff like http://bildrian.de/n/b/c3c0ce767ca5d198.png this - when I want to find out where exactly PA2 goes, I have to manually follow each piece of network, which is kind of annoying. According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cad.geda.user/12275 it's not yet possible 2. I love the keyboard shortcuts, they make design really efficient when you got used to. One thing that annoys me, however, is that nets are started with n, but when you're finished, you have to hit Escape. This is a long way from the n. Can I remap it so that finishing networks can be done with, say b? Right click will stop the current net, and left-click will restart the net (i.e. gschem remains in 'net' mode) 3. When drawing nets, is it possible to just undo the last click while staying in network drawing mode? I currently always hit Escape, then mark the net, move the misplaced vertex, then again hit n. Ctrl-Z undoes the last 'leg' of the net 4. When moving vertecies which are connected to two networks (e.g. a corner somewhere), how can it be done that *both* endpoints of the net in question are moved? Currently when I move a point it first moves the vertex from the first part, disconnecting the network. Then I have to manually also pull the second one there. If you drag the center (not the endpoints) of a segment, it'll move entirely (remaining connected to the net). I'm not sure what you mean... Any help appreciated, Thanks, Johannes John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
