Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Hi Ales, I do/did use gmk-sym exclusively, haven't used it in a while, didn't upgrade my modus operandi to tragesym yet. I think I go for monkey-proof technology :) Hope this answer helps a little bit. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 02:52 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: [snip] tragesym is part of geda-utils package. gmk_sym is much older. I'd not recommend that. Maybe we should remove gmk_sym if it is of no more use? Does anybody use it today? -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:52:32 -0500, Ales Hvezda [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [snip] 1. The HTML descriptions of the things in the packages seem out of date, for example http://geda.seul.org/tools/utils/index.html doesn't mention tragesym, but does mention gmk_sym. Yup, please (or somebody) provide an updated page or patches. 2. You don't seem to be able to download the packages from here. The link under 'Where can I download the utilities?' leads to the gEDA download page, the sources section of which points you back to the sources page. It seems circular. I don't understand this. On the sources page there is: Well it worked for me today, perhaps I was insane, but I thought that before the sources link on the download page took you to http://geda.seul.org/tools/. It might be better to just do like GNU and dump all the available versioned packages in a directory and let people sort it out themselves. Really? Is that's better than an annotated download page like sources.html? Its the no-documentation vs. wrong documentation question. Manually maintained lists like that have a strong tendency to fall out of sync. Britton ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Hi Tamas, On Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007, Tamas Szabo wrote: I was modifying tragesym, as it was not exactly suitable for me. I'm a lazy guy, so the only doc is the soft itself (with a few comments) If any of you interested in, just pick it up from: http://web.t-online.hu/sza2webacces/gEDA/tragesym_sza2.tar.gz It also contains a few sym I made. I've taken a short look into the changes. I like the code refactorings of the writesym function. I'm not that happy with variable renamings and whitespace changes. It will make it harder to merge your changes back to the tragesym version that comes with the geda-utils package. I've added your tragesym version with two symbol source files to my local git repo and created a patch. I've added the patch to the SF tracker: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1861281group_id=161080atid=818428 Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Hello Werner, Ok, I understand you and of course it is up to how to integrate the changes into the code. I just changed the whitespaces since it gave an inconsistent view in my editor. Regarding the variable names, it was a bit confusing for me and somewhere misspelled. But, again, I'm happy if you find anything usable from my code, so do it as you wish. BRGDS, /sza2 Werner Hoch wrote: Hi Tamas, On Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007, Tamas Szabo wrote: I was modifying tragesym, as it was not exactly suitable for me. I'm a lazy guy, so the only doc is the soft itself (with a few comments) If any of you interested in, just pick it up from: http://web.t-online.hu/sza2webacces/gEDA/tragesym_sza2.tar.gz It also contains a few sym I made. I've taken a short look into the changes. I like the code refactorings of the writesym function. I'm not that happy with variable renamings and whitespace changes. It will make it harder to merge your changes back to the tragesym version that comes with the geda-utils package. I've added your tragesym version with two symbol source files to my local git repo and created a patch. I've added the patch to the SF tracker: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1861281group_id=161080atid=818428 Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
[snip] tragesym is part of geda-utils package. gmk_sym is much older. I'd not recommend that. Maybe we should remove gmk_sym if it is of no more use? Does anybody use it today? -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
[snip] 1. The HTML descriptions of the things in the packages seem out of date, for example http://geda.seul.org/tools/utils/index.html doesn't mention tragesym, but does mention gmk_sym. Yup, please (or somebody) provide an updated page or patches. 2. You don't seem to be able to download the packages from here. The link under 'Where can I download the utilities?' leads to the gEDA download page, the sources section of which points you back to the sources page. It seems circular. I don't understand this. On the sources page there is: utils 1.2.0.20070902 DownloadDownloadUtilities where you can click on the Download links to download the source package(s). What am I missing here? It might be better to just do like GNU and dump all the available versioned packages in a directory and let people sort it out themselves. Really? Is that's better than an annotated download page like sources.html? -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Hi Britton, On Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007, Britton Kerin wrote: Is tragesym still the thing to use to easily make symbols from text listings? Yes, one of the tools you can use. I have seen lots of web discussions of it but I didn't see it on http://geda.seul.org/sources.html, and there appears to also be gmk_sym (which I haven't looked at). tragesym is part of geda-utils package. gmk_sym is much older. I'd not recommend that. Also, I notice that when I do gschem symbol_from_tragesym.sym Which version of tragesym are you using? Current version is 0.0.12 Which version of gEDA are you using? see also: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:tragesym_tutorial Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
if there are stale tragesym web pages out there we should get them updated to point to the current document. like this old one. http://www.geda.seul.org/docs/20040111/tutorials/tragesym/tragesym.html Hardkrash On Dec 30, 2007 3:26 AM, Werner Hoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Britton, On Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007, Britton Kerin wrote: Is tragesym still the thing to use to easily make symbols from text listings? Yes, one of the tools you can use. I have seen lots of web discussions of it but I didn't see it on http://geda.seul.org/sources.html, and there appears to also be gmk_sym (which I haven't looked at). tragesym is part of geda-utils package. gmk_sym is much older. I'd not recommend that. Also, I notice that when I do gschem symbol_from_tragesym.sym Which version of tragesym are you using? Current version is 0.0.12 Which version of gEDA are you using? see also: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:tragesym_tutorial Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
On Sunday 30 December 2007 15:49:51 Steven Michalske wrote: if there are stale tragesym web pages out there we should get them updated to point to the current document. like this old one. http://www.geda.seul.org/docs/20040111/tutorials/tragesym/tragesym.html The document you link to accurately describes the behaviour of tragesym in the 11th January 2004 release of gEDA. Peter -- Peter Brett Electronic Systems Engineer Integral Informatics Ltd signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Hi Steven, On Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007, Steven Michalske wrote: if there are stale tragesym web pages out there we should get them updated to point to the current document. If you follow the links, they finally point to the new tutorial page and the geda utils package. like this old one. http://www.geda.seul.org/docs/20040111/tutorials/tragesym/tragesym.ht ml Mmh, it's a documentation that was packaged with a specific version of gEDA (20040111). I don't think that we should erase/modify the history of the gEDA development. Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Sorry bad example, but I have had friends fillow dead links for tragesym and download old versions that have bugs. Britton got an outdated version. My point is that that old page was on the front page for tragesym on google. That page wouldn't have gotten him in trouble, but some page had a stale copy that he got and caused a bad impression. thats all. Britton, Where did you get the old copy of tragesym? So we can prevent further confusion. Hardkrash On Dec 30, 2007 11:16 AM, Werner Hoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steven, On Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007, Steven Michalske wrote: if there are stale tragesym web pages out there we should get them updated to point to the current document. If you follow the links, they finally point to the new tutorial page and the geda utils package. like this old one. http://www.geda.seul.org/docs/20040111/tutorials/tragesym/tragesym.ht ml Mmh, it's a documentation that was packaged with a specific version of gEDA (20040111). I don't think that we should erase/modify the history of the gEDA development. Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:26:59 +0100, Werner Hoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Britton, On Sonntag, 30. Dezember 2007, Britton Kerin wrote: Is tragesym still the thing to use to easily make symbols from text listings? Yes, one of the tools you can use. I have seen lots of web discussions of it but I didn't see it on http://geda.seul.org/sources.html, and there appears to also be gmk_sym (which I haven't looked at). tragesym is part of geda-utils package. gmk_sym is much older. I'd not recommend that. Ok, thanks. I think this sources web page has some problems: http://geda.seul.org/sources.html The problems are: 1. The HTML descriptions of the things in the packages seem out of date, for example http://geda.seul.org/tools/utils/index.html doesn't mention tragesym, but does mention gmk_sym. 2. You don't seem to be able to download the packages from here. The link under 'Where can I download the utilities?' leads to the gEDA download page, the sources section of which points you back to the sources page. It seems circular. It might be better to just do like GNU and dump all the available versioned packages in a directory and let people sort it out themselves. Britton Also, I notice that when I do gschem symbol_from_tragesym.sym Which version of tragesym are you using? Current version is 0.0.12 Which version of gEDA are you using? see also: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:tragesym_tutorial Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Hi All, I was modifying tragesym, as it was not exactly suitable for me. I'm a lazy guy, so the only doc is the soft itself (with a few comments) If any of you interested in, just pick it up from: http://web.t-online.hu/sza2webacces/gEDA/tragesym_sza2.tar.gz It also contains a few sym I made. In hope to help someone. /sza2 Britton Kerin wrote: Is tragesym still the thing to use to easily make symbols from text listings? I have seen lots of web discussions of it but I didn't see it on http://geda.seul.org/sources.html, and there appears to also be gmk_sym (which I haven't looked at). Also, I notice that when I do gschem symbol_from_tragesym.sym I get a message like: Read an old format sym/sch file! and then a bunch of message like: Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manully. Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manully. Running gsymupdate symbold_from_tragesym.sym seemed to fix the problem (gschem didn't complain when I ran it on the updated file), but not before issuing the following misleading output: rhino$ gsymupdate CD4066BC.sym gEDA/gsymupdate version 0.2 gEDA/gsymupdate comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; see COPYING for more details This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; please see the COPYING file for more details. gsymUpdating: CD4066BC.sym (backup: CD4066BC.sym.old) Invalid path [./symbols] passed to component-library Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manually. Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manually. [snip] Invalid path [./symbols] passed to component-library It seems to be saying you have to fix something manually, but then the problem seems to go away. Could someone enlighten me on the current state of things? Also, somewhere in the gEDA documentation I read that you have to create symbols by hand to go with your hierarchical designs, and solicited for scripts. I wrote the tiny little hack that is attached, it seems to work for me (generated correct rats nests). Britton ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Is tragesym still the thing to use to easily make symbols from text listings? I have seen lots of web discussions of it but I didn't see it on http://geda.seul.org/sources.html, and there appears to also be gmk_sym (which I haven't looked at). Also, I notice that when I do gschem symbol_from_tragesym.sym I get a message like: Read an old format sym/sch file! and then a bunch of message like: Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manully. Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manully. Running gsymupdate symbold_from_tragesym.sym seemed to fix the problem (gschem didn't complain when I ran it on the updated file), but not before issuing the following misleading output: rhino$ gsymupdate CD4066BC.sym gEDA/gsymupdate version 0.2 gEDA/gsymupdate comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; see COPYING for more details This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; please see the COPYING file for more details. gsymUpdating: CD4066BC.sym (backup: CD4066BC.sym.old) Invalid path [./symbols] passed to component-library Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manually. Found a pin which did not have the whichone field set. Verify and correct manually. [snip] Invalid path [./symbols] passed to component-library It seems to be saying you have to fix something manually, but then the problem seems to go away. Could someone enlighten me on the current state of things? Also, somewhere in the gEDA documentation I read that you have to create symbols by hand to go with your hierarchical designs, and solicited for scripts. I wrote the tiny little hack that is attached, it seems to work for me (generated correct rats nests). Britton symbolize.perl Description: Perl program ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: is tragesym still the one to use? and a script for hierarchical symbol making
Is tragesym still the thing to use to easily make symbols from text listings? There's also djboxsym (and variants, like bjjboxsym): http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/dj_delorie/tools/djboxsym.html ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
