Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt

[Suresh Krishnan]

Hi Kent,

On 10/22/2015 06:03 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:
> [+barry]
>
> I apologize to reply to myself, but I would be remiss to not mention that 
> Barry Leiba had a related COMMENT on the "must immediately start” text.   His 
> suggestion is to remove the words “MUST immediately” (i.e. Just have 
> “start”).  As he writes: "What *else* might the client [server] do, which 
> merits a MUST here?”
>
> While I personally do think that it is “MUST immediately”, I think that the 
> wording is still be accurate without it...and thus simply removing these two 
> words provides an alternate way to resolve Suresh’s comment.  Thoughts?

That works for me as well. Go for it.

Cheers
Suresh


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Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt

[Kent Watsen]

[+barry]

I apologize to reply to myself, but I would be remiss to not mention that Barry 
Leiba had a related COMMENT on the "must immediately start” text.   His 
suggestion is to remove the words “MUST immediately” (i.e. Just have “start”).  
As he writes: "What *else* might the client [server] do, which merits a MUST 
here?”

While I personally do think that it is “MUST immediately”, I think that the 
wording is still be accurate without it...and thus simply removing these two 
words provides an alternate way to resolve Suresh’s comment.  Thoughts?

Thanks,
Kent





On 10/22/15, 5:35 PM, "Kent Watsen"  wrote:

>
>Hi Jari, Suresh,
>
>Thank you for your suggestion.  How about this, after each of the four uses of 
>“must immediately start” (in C3, C8, S3, and S6), we add the sentence:
>
>It is unnecessary for the  [client/server] to wait
>for the remote peer to initiate the  first.
>
>Would this be helpful?
>
>Thanks,
>Kent
>
>
>
>
>
>On 10/22/15, 9:05 AM, "Jari Arkko"  wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the explanation, Kent, and for the review, Suresh. Can the 
>>explanation be added to the document for other people who might have the same 
>>question.
>>
>>Jari
>>
>>On 21 Oct 2015, at 19:37, Kent Watsen  wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> Hi Suresh,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your review.
>>> 
>>> To answer your question, the server can start the SSH server protocol 
>>> immediately.  It does not have the wait for the client for anything.  At 
>>> least, this is how my code works  :)
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Kent
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/21/15, 12:10 AM, "Suresh Krishnan"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
 Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
 
 
 Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before
 posting a new version of the draft.
 
 Document: draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt
 Reviewer: Suresh Krishnan
 Review Date: 2015/10/20
 IESG Telechat date: 2015/10/22
 
 Summary: The draft is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard but I do
 have a comment that you may wish to address.
 
 Minor
 =
 
 * Section 3.1 S3: The server cannot immediately start the SSH server 
 protocol
 without waiting for SSH connection initiation from the SSH client, right? 
 If
 yes, shouldn't there be an additional condition here?
 
 Thanks
 Suresh
 
 
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Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt

[Kent Watsen]

Hi Jari, Suresh,

Thank you for your suggestion.  How about this, after each of the four uses of 
“must immediately start” (in C3, C8, S3, and S6), we add the sentence:

It is unnecessary for the  [client/server] to wait
for the remote peer to initiate the  first.

Would this be helpful?

Thanks,
Kent





On 10/22/15, 9:05 AM, "Jari Arkko"  wrote:

>Thanks for the explanation, Kent, and for the review, Suresh. Can the 
>explanation be added to the document for other people who might have the same 
>question.
>
>Jari
>
>On 21 Oct 2015, at 19:37, Kent Watsen  wrote:
>
>> 
>> Hi Suresh,
>> 
>> Thank you for your review.
>> 
>> To answer your question, the server can start the SSH server protocol 
>> immediately.  It does not have the wait for the client for anything.  At 
>> least, this is how my code works  :)
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Kent
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/21/15, 12:10 AM, "Suresh Krishnan"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
>>> Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before
>>> posting a new version of the draft.
>>> 
>>> Document: draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt
>>> Reviewer: Suresh Krishnan
>>> Review Date: 2015/10/20
>>> IESG Telechat date: 2015/10/22
>>> 
>>> Summary: The draft is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard but I do
>>> have a comment that you may wish to address.
>>> 
>>> Minor
>>> =
>>> 
>>> * Section 3.1 S3: The server cannot immediately start the SSH server 
>>> protocol
>>> without waiting for SSH connection initiation from the SSH client, right? If
>>> yes, shouldn't there be an additional condition here?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Suresh
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt

[Jari Arkko]

Thanks for the explanation, Kent, and for the review, Suresh. Can the 
explanation be added to the document for other people who might have the same 
question.

Jari

On 21 Oct 2015, at 19:37, Kent Watsen  wrote:

> 
> Hi Suresh,
> 
> Thank you for your review.
> 
> To answer your question, the server can start the SSH server protocol 
> immediately.  It does not have the wait for the client for anything.  At 
> least, this is how my code works  :)
> 
> Thanks again,
> Kent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/21/15, 12:10 AM, "Suresh Krishnan"  wrote:
> 
>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
>> Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
>> 
>> 
>> Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before
>> posting a new version of the draft.
>> 
>> Document: draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt
>> Reviewer: Suresh Krishnan
>> Review Date: 2015/10/20
>> IESG Telechat date: 2015/10/22
>> 
>> Summary: The draft is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard but I do
>> have a comment that you may wish to address.
>> 
>> Minor
>> =
>> 
>> * Section 3.1 S3: The server cannot immediately start the SSH server protocol
>> without waiting for SSH connection initiation from the SSH client, right? If
>> yes, shouldn't there be an additional condition here?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Suresh
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt

[Kent Watsen]

Hi Suresh,

Thank you for your review.

To answer your question, the server can start the SSH server protocol 
immediately.  It does not have the wait for the client for anything.  At least, 
this is how my code works  :)

Thanks again,
Kent






On 10/21/15, 12:10 AM, "Suresh Krishnan"  wrote:

>I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
>Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
>
>
>Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before
>posting a new version of the draft.
>
>Document: draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-11.txt
>Reviewer: Suresh Krishnan
>Review Date: 2015/10/20
>IESG Telechat date: 2015/10/22
>
>Summary: The draft is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard but I do 
>have a comment that you may wish to address.
>
>Minor
>=
>
>* Section 3.1 S3: The server cannot immediately start the SSH server protocol 
>without waiting for SSH connection initiation from the SSH client, right? If 
>yes, shouldn't there be an additional condition here?
>
>Thanks
>Suresh
>
>
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