[Gendergap] diversity among male editors Re: what follows from "most editors do not gender-identify"

2012-06-19 Thread koltzenburg
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), Audrey Cormier wrote
> I just want to add a suggestion that I haven't seen really discussed, and 
> that is the idea of 
>  supporting more diversity among male editors as a way of making an 
> encyclopedia that 
> would be more inviting for potential female editors.

this is an interesting point, I think, Audrey, even the beginning of your 
paragraph as standing by itself

it reminds of a quote I came across a few weeks ago that may actually be of 
interest here:

 
those who enjoy the benefits of democratic society bear the responsibility to 
develop the capacity for 
'critical freedom', which includes cultivating "the ability to see one's own 
ways as strange and unfamiliar, 
to stray from and take up a critical attitude towards them and so open culture 
to question, 
reinterpretation, negotiation, transformation and non-identity." (Tully 
1995:206), 

 
this passage as a whole is from 
Moira Gatens and Genevieve Lloyd: Collective imaginings. Spinoza, past and 
present. London : Routledge, 
1999, p. 140 
and they are quoting from 
James Tully: Strange multiplicity. Constitutionalism in an age of diversity. 
Cambridge : Cambridge University 
Press, 1995, p. 206 

seeing this passage in the light of the point you are making, I guess, Audrey, 
brings me to the conclusion 
that James Tully's insight might indeed be interesting food for thought 
especially for a project like WP that is 
so hinged on "facts" - "factum", in Latin, meaning "something made" - 

and yes, anyone who helps others on and showing a relaxed critical attitude to 
their own ways is simply 
admirable, I think

thanks & cheers,
Claudia
koltzenb...@w4w.net

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Re: [Gendergap] Clarification of topics

2012-06-19 Thread koltzenburg
hm, reading the threads in the list archive 
is an option that I often use, too, and it is independent of any mail program 
;-)

example, by thread, this month: 
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2012-June/thread.html

:-) cheers
Claudia

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:17 +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Karen Sue Rolph 
> wrote:
> 
> >  Dear esteemed colleagues,
> >
> 
> 
> 
> > I recently referred to Anita S.  I don't know her, don't know how she
> > would be contacted, Andreas.  I don't know if she contributes to Wikipedia,
> > even.  Anyone who might have weighed in without first exploring the nature
> > of her work missed it's essence.  Evidence is useful to this forum and its
> > mission.
> >
> > KSRolph
> >
> 
> Dear Karen,
> 
> I have contacted Anita, and hope she will have time to look in.
> 
> (As for the threading of topics, I suspect that gmail handles the thread
> structure better than hotmail. In gmail, all the posts that belong to a
> given topic always appear together, in one long list, so it's easier to see
> what preceded any given post.)
> 
> Best,
> Andreas


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Re: [Gendergap] Clarification of topics

2012-06-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Karen Sue Rolph wrote:

>  Dear esteemed colleagues,
>




> I recently referred to Anita S.  I don't know her, don't know how she
> would be contacted, Andreas.  I don't know if she contributes to Wikipedia,
> even.  Anyone who might have weighed in without first exploring the nature
> of her work missed it's essence.  Evidence is useful to this forum and its
> mission.
>
> KSRolph
>


Dear Karen,

I have contacted Anita, and hope she will have time to look in.

(As for the threading of topics, I suspect that gmail handles the thread
structure better than hotmail. In gmail, all the posts that belong to a
given topic always appear together, in one long list, so it's easier to see
what preceded any given post.)

Best,
Andreas
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[Gendergap] Clarification of topics

2012-06-19 Thread Karen Sue Rolph

Dear esteemed colleagues,

I'm enjoying the gendergap list, but I'm getting confused about what each 
message is referring to.  It might be good to state your topic instead of 
using, 'he', 'she', and 'they.'  With a few relatively concurrent topics under 
discussion, which is fine, I want to make sure I am following, without having 
to go through several days of email strings.  It doesn't seem like a bad idea 
to make that url on your topic available, either.  As I scroll down, you lose 
me, I see no name for the person under discussion and no link either, might be 
hidden in the list underbrush...

I recently referred to Anita S.  I don't know her, don't know how she would be 
contacted, Andreas.  I don't know if she contributes to Wikipedia, even.  
Anyone who might have weighed in without first exploring the nature of her work 
missed it's essence.  Evidence is useful to this forum and its mission.

KSRolph

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