Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:44 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: .. By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some lists of red links. I will think about that. I've made an attempt at doing this by using a PD Australian book that included female bios. Of the 21 female bios I could find, 10 didnt appear to have have a WP bio. ;-( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu I see two women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedia_articles/DNB,_people_prominent_in_ODNB and many more in the pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DNBFooter The full text of DNB is available on Wikisource: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB/Djvu_files -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
Yes, that is a possible approach John. But I was speaking about comparing all the biographies between different Wikipedias and discover missing females bios in each one. By the way, I'm not interested any more in developing tools or statistics for this movement. I recently discovered that WikiWomenCamp[1] is going to exclude men from participating. I unsubscribe from this mailing list. Good luck. [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp 2012/2/12 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:44 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: .. By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some lists of red links. I will think about that. I've made an attempt at doing this by using a PD Australian book that included female bios. Of the 21 female bios I could find, 10 didnt appear to have have a WP bio. ;-( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu I see two women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedia_articles/DNB,_people_prominent_in_ODNB and many more in the pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DNBFooter The full text of DNB is available on Wikisource: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB/Djvu_files -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:05 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: I've made an attempt at doing this by using a PD Australian book that included female bios. Of the 21 female bios I could find, 10 didnt appear to have have a WP bio. ;-( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu I see two women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedia_articles/DNB,_people_prominent_in_ODNB and many more in the pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DNBFooter The full text of DNB is available on Wikisource: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB/Djvu_files Maybe we could try to do something like Stuartyeates has been doing for Kiwis in general specifically targeting women? :) I've asked him if he could possibly use it to semi-automatically allow me to create articles about players in the WNBL (automatically notable) who do not yet have articles. His program involves having a database, firefox and grease monkey attachment he's made. I believe a few of the stubs he's made this way have been taken to DYK. Details of what he's doing can be found at http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/February_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report#Dictionary_of_New_Zealand_Biography, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/January_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report#New_Zealand. -- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:44 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is a possible approach John. But I was speaking about comparing all the biographies between different Wikipedias and discover missing females bios in each one. Ah, thanks for clarifying what you meant. Sorry I didnt understand the first time. That would be quite easy to do. It would be very cool if the cat scan tools allowed us to ask for pages that 1. are in category fr:Category:Femme, and 2. do not have any interwikis By the way, I'm not interested any more in developing tools or statistics for this movement. I recently discovered that WikiWomenCamp[1] is going to exclude men from participating. I unsubscribe from this mailing list. Good luck. I hope you will reconsider that emijrp. You have been a source of inspiration to me and many others. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On 8 February 2012 10:50, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, A few of us came together on the WikiWomen's History Month page to create a List of Lists of Women on English Wikipedia. Plenty of red links throughout the lists included, and yes everything is covered involving women! Even women pirates... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_women I know we'd love to see a similar collection in other languages, and use them as tools for figuring out what other lists need to be created, but also what articles need to be made. Also, please take a look at our English WikiWomen's History Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month We have more events that have been added, so please get involved, online or offline! There are also discussions on the talk page. Looking forward to seeing some great things happen in March, Sarah Hi Sarah - Interesting idea, it's interesting to see how many of those lists exist. Suggest that you move this page to [[Index of lists of notable women]] to keep it in line with our standard naming conventions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:LIST#Types_of_lists I do think the inclusion of the word notable is important here. The lists aren't just of women, they're of women who are notable enough to qualify for a Wikipedia article - which is a pretty low bar, as anyone who's ever tried to get some mess deleted already knows! Risker/Anne ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On 2/11/2012 12:35 PM, Risker wrote: I do think the inclusion of the word notable is important here. The lists aren't just of women, they're of women who are notable enough to qualify for a Wikipedia article - which is a pretty low bar, as anyone who's ever tried to get some mess deleted already knows! Risker/Anne Unless it's a bio of someone enough editors want to get rid of for some prejudicial reasons, even if it's got lots of WP:RS. Then they claim, oh, it doesn't matter if the person has been quoted or referred to 10 times by the top newspapers in the country, the articles weren't ABOUT the person. So they aren't REALLY notable. That's why it would be nice to know that Admins are truly neutral and objective, but that's not always true either. ;-( CM in DC ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On 11 February 2012 13:05, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/11/2012 12:35 PM, Risker wrote: I do think the inclusion of the word notable is important here. The lists aren't just of women, they're of women who are notable enough to qualify for a Wikipedia article - which is a pretty low bar, as anyone who's ever tried to get some mess deleted already knows! Risker/Anne Unless it's a bio of someone enough editors want to get rid of for some prejudicial reasons, even if it's got lots of WP:RS. Then they claim, oh, it doesn't matter if the person has been quoted or referred to 10 times by the top newspapers in the country, the articles weren't ABOUT the person. So they aren't REALLY notable. That's why it would be nice to know that Admins are truly neutral and objective, but that's not always true either. ;-( While I sympathize with your position - I can think of some articles about notable people that got deleted, too - the role of the administrator in closing deletion discussions remains the assessment and activation of the policy-based consensus during the discussion, not the administrator's personal preference. There are also some biographical articles that are so poorly and non-neutrally written that I wish we had a deletion category of do over: that is, there's enough notability for the subject to have an article, but the article we have is so bad that it's worse than if we had nothing. One of the areas I've seen that, in particular, is with scientists, and oddly it seems to affect biographies of women scientists disproportionately. Usually, it has to do with coatracking of irrelevant issues that serve to demonize the subject and question the value of her scientific career. Nonetheless, this is going off topic...sorry! Risker/Anne ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] List of lists of women
Hi everyone, A few of us came together on the WikiWomen's History Month page to create a List of Lists of Women on English Wikipedia. Plenty of red links throughout the lists included, and yes everything is covered involving women! Even women pirates... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_women I know we'd love to see a similar collection in other languages, and use them as tools for figuring out what other lists need to be created, but also what articles need to be made. Also, please take a look at our English WikiWomen's History Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month We have more events that have been added, so please get involved, online or offline! There are also discussions on the talk page. Looking forward to seeing some great things happen in March, Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
It is a good work Sarah. But I don't understand why those lists where women are separated from men are needed. I think that the only reason is that there are persons who would need to read only about female chessplayers, female ..., etc. But in the same fashion, there are persons who need to read only about male chessplayers. We can see as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_men is less populated than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_women Probably you would say that the male version of that lists are the regular one. But we can see that the female astronauts that are included here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_astronauts are also here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name (see ♀ symbol), but there is no a List of male astronauts. If we are going to take this approach, we have to start lists for both gender, separated and joined. By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some lists of red links. I will think about that. 2012/2/8 Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com Hi everyone, A few of us came together on the WikiWomen's History Month page to create a List of Lists of Women on English Wikipedia. Plenty of red links throughout the lists included, and yes everything is covered involving women! Even women pirates... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_women I know we'd love to see a similar collection in other languages, and use them as tools for figuring out what other lists need to be created, but also what articles need to be made. Also, please take a look at our English WikiWomen's History Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month We have more events that have been added, so please get involved, online or offline! There are also discussions on the talk page. Looking forward to seeing some great things happen in March, Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate todayhttps://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
I think this is a great idea. Since research has shone that women's biographies are proportionately underrepresented on Wikipedia, lists of women in particular areas are a useful tool for people interested in writing biographies of women to fill in the gaps. It's also a great place to start for new editors (and we all want new editors!). Someday these lists won't be necessary, I hope. But until then they are useful and fun as well. -VAL On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good work Sarah. But I don't understand why those lists where women are separated from men are needed. I think that the only reason is that there are persons who would need to read only about female chessplayers, female ..., etc. But in the same fashion, there are persons who need to read only about male chessplayers. We can see as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_men is less populated than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_women Probably you would say that the male version of that lists are the regular one. But we can see that the female astronauts that are included here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_astronauts are also here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name (see ♀ symbol), but there is no a List of male astronauts. If we are going to take this approach, we have to start lists for both gender, separated and joined. By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some lists of red links. I will think about that. 2012/2/8 Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com Hi everyone, A few of us came together on the WikiWomen's History Month page to create a List of Lists of Women on English Wikipedia. Plenty of red links throughout the lists included, and yes everything is covered involving women! Even women pirates... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_women I know we'd love to see a similar collection in other languages, and use them as tools for figuring out what other lists need to be created, but also what articles need to be made. Also, please take a look at our English WikiWomen's History Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month We have more events that have been added, so please get involved, online or offline! There are also discussions on the talk page. Looking forward to seeing some great things happen in March, Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
