Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
As someone pointed out in the discussion at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Jumping_Wikipe-tan.svg#File:Jumping_Wikipe-tan.svg (which is heading for a keep) Stephen's - in my view - quite sensible deletion of http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan_in_swimwear.jpg has been undone. Democratic decision-making has its potential drawbacks when the demographics of those participating in the democratic process are skewed. I have no evidence to suggest that a balanced demographic would have resulted in different outcomes here, but I do wonder sometimes whether we need quotas or some kind of affirmative action to correct community biases. Again, while that sort of thing is widespread in Western democracies, I doubt our community would be mature enough to embrace it. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
I've seen Japanese text books which have happy, healthy, young male and female faces that are utilized to comment upon the text. More like Ash from Pokemon (not the Nurse, lol!) Why couldn't the personification of Wikipedia a pair of happy, healthy, young people, a male and a female? Always seen together, side by side? Best of all possible worlds. - Susan Spencer Conklin ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen Japanese text books which have happy, healthy, young male and female faces that are utilized to comment upon the text. More like Ash from Pokemon (not the Nurse, lol!) Why couldn't the personification of Wikipedia a pair of happy, healthy, young people, a male and a female? Always seen together, side by side? This is a lovely idea. It reminds me of the Transnational College of LEX, which has produced some surprisingly excellent science texts for young people. The young people who populate their books (like 'Who is Fourier?' which competently teaches 7th graders Fourier Analysis) are charming and both geographically and linguistically diverse :-) http://www.lexlrf.org/Our%20CDs%20%20Books/TCL.htm They have a limited US presence, in Boston and San Francisco. It would be worth reaching out to them -- they may be interested in helping out directly, and could certainly recommend willing artists. SJ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
--- On Mon, 21/3/11, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Why couldn't the personification of Wikipedia a pair of happy, healthy, young people, a male and a female? Always seen together, side by side? This is a lovely idea. Yes. I like the always seen together aspect. I wouldn't emphasise youth in the depiction. There is as much of an age gap as there is a gender gap. A. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
Hello, my problem in Wikipedia is, that we have not many rolemodels who are not very known outside of the Wikim/pedia world. The only one, who is constant in media is Sue. Sue is wonderful, but where are the other faces of Wikim/pedia? Where are the other women, why are they hiding? Ok, we had a Wikimedia-Clip made last year with some female faces. I like this clip very much, but there you see more male faces than female again and for animate women to envolve themselves, it is too special and for my taste too Wikim/pedia-exclusive. My oppinion is, if we want to win females, we need more visible female Wikim/pedians. Just my 2 cents. J. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Hello, I agree. We have at least one female rolemodel, though, and she's seen by thousands of people thanks to the Ambassadors Programme: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Welcome2WP_English_082310.pdfpage=1 Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Foudation-stipendiat Chair of Wikimedia Sverige / ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:00:15 +0100 From: julianadacostaj...@googlemail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia Hello, my problem in Wikipedia is, that we have not many rolemodels who are not very known outside of the Wikim/pedia world. The only one, who is constant in media is Sue. Sue is wonderful, but where are the other faces of Wikim/pedia? Where are the other women, why are they hiding? Ok, we had a Wikimedia-Clip made last year with some female faces. I like this clip very much, but there you see more male faces than female again and for animate women to envolve themselves, it is too special and for my taste too Wikim/pedia-exclusive. My oppinion is, if we want to win females, we need more visible female Wikim/pedians. Just my 2 cents. J. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
Hi, I like this file, but this is a comic-woman. And the most women I know do not really identify with a drawn person, especially if you have this kind of Comic-Women too in Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Wikipe_tan_wearing_a_bikini_by_Kasuga39.png A comic-person really hate very much! J. 2011/3/20, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com: Hello, I agree. We have at least one female rolemodel, though, and she's seen by thousands of people thanks to the Ambassadors Programme: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Welcome2WP_English_082310.pdfpage=1 Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Foudation-stipendiat Chair of Wikimedia Sverige / ordförande för Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:00:15 +0100 From: julianadacostaj...@googlemail.com To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia Hello, my problem in Wikipedia is, that we have not many rolemodels who are not very known outside of the Wikim/pedia world. The only one, who is constant in media is Sue. Sue is wonderful, but where are the other faces of Wikim/pedia? Where are the other women, why are they hiding? Ok, we had a Wikimedia-Clip made last year with some female faces. I like this clip very much, but there you see more male faces than female again and for animate women to envolve themselves, it is too special and for my taste too Wikim/pedia-exclusive. My oppinion is, if we want to win females, we need more visible female Wikim/pedians. Just my 2 cents. J. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
hehe ;) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan%27s_past,_now_and_future2.png 2011/3/20, Carol Moore in DC contac...@carolmoore.net: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan I started a debate here. Uh oh, sexual innuendo warning. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan Might be more appropriate. Ways of dealing with it: come up with much more appropriate and popular symbol widely disseminated. Come up with male and female wikipe-tans and put those up. Try to delete all the female only ones. On 3/20/2011 4:05 PM, Juliana da Costa José wrote: hehe ;) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan%27s_past,_now_and_future2.png 2011/3/20, Carol Moore in DCcontac...@carolmoore.net: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan I started a debate here. Uh oh, sexual innuendo warning. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3518 - Release Date: 03/20/11 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
--- On Sun, 20/3/11, carolmoor...@verizon.net carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Come up with male and female wikipe-tans and put those up. Thinking out loud here: Having images that contain both a female and a male figure might actually be useful for young men, on a subliminal level. Having the two figures drawn in similar ways makes it more difficult to objectify the image, because there would be a natural tendency for men to identify with the male image. It's harder psychologically to objectify and identify with an image at the same time. To the extent that the viewer identifies with the image, they then also identify with the female figure in the image somewhat; the message becomes one of sameness and shared characteristics. I am obviously not talking about romantic depictions here. And it would help if the female figure weren't dressed like a maid. ;) If it's well done, it might convey an implication of comradeship, and a reminder that this is a joint effort involving both sexes. Wikipe-tan is pure objectification. For the male viewer, she is other. The ones showing knickers and so on are in grossly poor taste. Males viewing those images are not encouraged to picture women working side by side with them, doing the same job they are doing. The whole vibe is of a boys-only environment, where the (falsely assumed) lack of actual female presence is compensated with a stereotypical fantasy girl. (That may also carry through into article illustration preferences sometimes.) It's good for men to be aware that they are in mixed-gender company. As the study on collective intelligence posted by Joseph the other day suggested, social behaviour and group intelligence generally tend to improve somewhat. Andreas ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
I noticed that the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan just survived a second deletion attempt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan_%282nd_nomination%29 The main Wikipe-tan image obviously should be the focus of *Change*. Obviously there are lots of fans. But once there are alternatives, it might be easier to go for individual or mass deletion of the most problematic ones. Also, I searched create anime character and found a bunch of places where you can, which might solve artistic problem, depending on if programs exist for creating them off line and non-copyrighted. In case someone wants to check it out. On 3/20/2011 8:46 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: Just a technical note: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Mass_deletion_request Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
