Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Nathan]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

> Speculation on the monetary gain definition of fraud is lots of
> fun. However,  we all know fraud has a wider meaning as
> two dictionary definitions show.
>
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
> 1 a :  deceit, trickery; specifically :  intentional perversion of truth
> in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender
> a legal right
> b :  an act of deceiving or misrepresenting :  trick
> 2. a :  a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also
> :  one who defrauds :  cheat
> b :  one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fraud?s=t
> noun
> 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated
> for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
> 2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election
> frauds.
> 3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a
> waste of time.
> 4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
>
> I think most people who were victim of some false
> email pretending they engaged in obnoxous or
> illegal behavior would say the email was a fraud
> and the person who sent it was one too..
>
>
>
>
 I suspect "Internet fraud" has a narrower definition. In any case, an IP
with a single edit removing information that someone else asked be removed
is not proof even of deception, let alone any definition of fraud. And as
convincing as LB's protests sound (and they do sound convincing), Risker
and other people with CU experience have declined to overturn or speak
against the block extension.
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[reguyla]

Good points carol and i would add that i dont trust the checkuser tool more 
than 50%. Its easy to fool, hard to read the data and interpret the results. 
90% of it is gut instinct and spotting vocal trends and writing style by the 
user. I have seen first hand that not only is it prone to error, but many in 
the community give it far more trust than it deserves.

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-- Original message--
From: Carol Moore dc
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 1:15 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation 
of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

On 12/10/2014 12:47 PM, Nathan wrote:
> No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind.

On 12/10/2014 1:01 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote:
That depends on how you interpret it. No monetary gain was there but they a r e 
userping someones identity for personal gain.

How do you know?

For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors
on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or
Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have
been promoting, sometimes for years.

GGTF has too many snoopy, boat rocking editors.
Getting rid of such editors allows them to continue to make
money without pesky snoops. If faking IPs helps discredit those
editors and get them blocked, so they can continue their
secret paid editing, that's fraud.

Or maybe someone who doesn't like GGTF or Lightbreather
paid someone $50 to fake the IP and Lightbreather-like
comments in order to cover their tracks.

Maybe there's someone making a good living faking
3 or 4 IPs a week in some topic area where some
organization wants to discredit some BLPs or
companies or even a whole nation.  So they flood
the topic area with socks from phony IPs
and then it's easy to claim new editors are socks
and get rid of them before they can learn
the ropes and deal with POV edits.

I'm sure there are all sorts of more examples
of what might be happening we could come up with.

 So don't claim there is no fraud when there could
be fraud going on...

CM
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Carol Moore dc]

Speculation on the monetary gain definition of fraud is lots of
fun. However,  we all know fraud has a wider meaning as
two dictionary definitions show.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
1 a :  deceit, trickery; specifically :  intentional perversion of truth 
in order to induce another to part with something of value or to 
surrender a legal right

b :  an act of deceiving or misrepresenting :  trick
2. a :  a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; 
also :  one who defrauds :  cheat

b :  one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fraud?s=t
noun
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, 
perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; 
election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a 
waste of time.

4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

I think most people who were victim of some false
email pretending they engaged in obnoxous or
illegal behavior would say the email was a fraud
and the person who sent it was one too..

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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Nathan]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

>
>  How do you know?
>
> For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors
> on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or
> Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have
> been promoting, sometimes for years.
>
> GGTF has too many snoopy, boat rocking editors.
> Getting rid of such editors allows them to continue to make
> money without pesky snoops. If faking IPs helps discredit those
> editors and get them blocked, so they can continue their
> secret paid editing, that's fraud.
>
> Or maybe someone who doesn't like GGTF or Lightbreather
> paid someone $50 to fake the IP and Lightbreather-like
> comments in order to cover their tracks.
>
> Maybe there's someone making a good living faking
> 3 or 4 IPs a week in some topic area where some
> organization wants to discredit some BLPs or
> companies or even a whole nation.  So they flood
> the topic area with socks from phony IPs
> and then it's easy to claim new editors are socks
> and get rid of them before they can learn
> the ropes and deal with POV edits.
>
> I'm sure there are all sorts of more examples
> of what might be happening we could come up with.
>
>  So don't claim there is no fraud when there could
> be fraud going on...
>
> CM
>
>
Those are some outlandishly unlikely scenarios, just as unlikely as you
being secretly an impersonator of the real Carol Moore hired to defame the
real Carol by getting banned on Wikipedia. As I said, outlandish and
unlikely. In the absence of evidence of fraud, concluding that fraud exists
("Let's call it what it is... Internet fraud") defies reason.
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Carol Moore dc]

On 12/10/2014 12:47 PM, Nathan wrote:
> No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind.

On 12/10/2014 1:01 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote:


That depends on how you interpret it. No monetary gain was there but 
they a r e userping someones identity for personal gain.




How do you know?

For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors
on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or
Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have
been promoting, sometimes for years.

GGTF has too many snoopy, boat rocking editors.
Getting rid of such editors allows them to continue to make
money without pesky snoops. If faking IPs helps discredit those
editors and get them blocked, so they can continue their
secret paid editing, that's fraud.

Or maybe someone who doesn't like GGTF or Lightbreather
paid someone $50 to fake the IP and Lightbreather-like
comments in order to cover their tracks.

Maybe there's someone making a good living faking
3 or 4 IPs a week in some topic area where some
organization wants to discredit some BLPs or
companies or even a whole nation.  So they flood
the topic area with socks from phony IPs
and then it's easy to claim new editors are socks
and get rid of them before they can learn
the ropes and deal with POV edits.

I'm sure there are all sorts of more examples
of what might be happening we could come up with.

 So don't claim there is no fraud when there could
be fraud going on...

CM
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[reguyla]

That depends on how you interpret it. No monetary gain was there but they a r e 
userping someones identity for personal gain.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device


-- Original message--
From: Nathan
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 12:49 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation 
of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind.  

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Carol Moore dc  
wrote:
Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud...

On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote:
That is joe jobbing.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device


-- Original message--
From: LB
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation 
of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Is there a term (like "joe job") for when someone pretends to be you to get you 
into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an IP 
address deleted some info that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's possible it was 
someone who thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe 
probable - that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was 
dodging my block.


Lightbreather



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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Nathan]

No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Carol Moore dc 
wrote:

>  Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud...
>
> On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>  That is joe jobbing.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *LB
>
> *Date: *Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM
>
> *To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;
>
> *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>
>
> Is there a term (like "joe job") for when someone pretends to be you to
> get you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a
> week, an IP address deleted some info
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=100&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=69.16.147.185&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=2014&month=12>
> that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's *possible* it was someone who
> thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable -
> that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was dodging my
> block.
>
>
>  Lightbreather
>
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Carol Moore dc]

Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud...

On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote:


That is joe jobbing.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

-- Original message--

*From: *LB

*Date: *Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM

*To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the 
participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;


*Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Is there a term (like "joe job") for when someone pretends to be you 
to get you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked 
for a week, an IP address deleted some info 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=100&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=69.16.147.185&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=2014&month=12> 
that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's /possible/ it was someone who 
thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable 
- that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was 
dodging my block.



Lightbreather



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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[reguyla]

That is joe jobbing.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device


-- Original message--
From: LB
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation 
of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Is there a term (like "joe job") for when someone pretends to be you to get you 
into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an IP 
address deleted some info that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's possible it was 
someone who thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe 
probable - that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was 
dodging my block.


Lightbreather

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Fæ  wrote:
See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job>. This was a targeted attack
on Russavia by someone deliberately pretending to be them.

It's a malicious form of attack intended to have Wikimedians take
action on each other in error in order to cause disruption. With more
sophisticated spoofing going on it is something we all need to stay
aware of.

Fae

On 10 December 2014 at 15:32, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Russavia claims he did not start it.
> On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:
...
>> Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that
>> was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could
>> chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get
>> too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him.
>> I think hes just trying to be helpful.

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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[LB]

Is there a term (like "joe job") for when someone pretends to be you to get
you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an
IP address deleted some info

that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's *possible* it was someone who thought
they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable - that
someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was dodging my block.


Lightbreather

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> See . This was a targeted attack
> on Russavia by someone deliberately pretending to be them.
>
> It's a malicious form of attack intended to have Wikimedians take
> action on each other in error in order to cause disruption. With more
> sophisticated spoofing going on it is something we all need to stay
> aware of.
>
> Fae
>
> On 10 December 2014 at 15:32, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
> > Russavia claims he did not start it.
> > On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> ...
> >> Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that
> >> was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people
> could
> >> chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt
> get
> >> too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like
> him.
> >> I think hes just trying to be helpful.
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[reguyla]

Thanks, i take back everything i said. I have never more wrong. I have since 
found out that isnt russavia nor do i beli leve that group was started in good 
faith. I have since remived myself from it.

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-- Original message--
From: Sarah Stierch
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 10:32 AM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation 
of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Russavia claims he did not start it.
On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:
A few of us live in the dc area as well.

Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was 
done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat 
more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too 
upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think 
hes just trying to be helpful.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device


-- Original message--
From: Lennart Guldbrandsson
Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 6:08 AM
To: Gendergap;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from 
Sweden :-/


Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love 
the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. 
I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get 
together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so 
maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this 
sound like an interesting idea to anyone?

Kaldari

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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Fæ]

See . This was a targeted attack
on Russavia by someone deliberately pretending to be them.

It's a malicious form of attack intended to have Wikimedians take
action on each other in error in order to cause disruption. With more
sophisticated spoofing going on it is something we all need to stay
aware of.

Fae

On 10 December 2014 at 15:32, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
> Russavia claims he did not start it.
> On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:
...
>> Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that
>> was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could
>> chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get
>> too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him.
>> I think hes just trying to be helpful.

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[Sarah Stierch]

Russavia claims he did not start it.
On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, "regu...@gmail.com"  wrote:

>  A few of us live in the dc area as well.
>
>
>
> Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that
> was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could
> chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get
> too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him.
> I think hes just trying to be helpful.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> *Date: *Mon, Dec 1, 2014 6:08 AM
>
> *To: *Gendergap;
>
> *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>
>
> I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way
> from Sweden :-/
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
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>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
> <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>*. Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
> From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>
> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
> love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
> from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
> are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
> Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>
> Kaldari
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[reguyla]

A few of us live in the dc area as well.

Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was 
done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat 
more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too 
upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think 
hes just trying to be helpful.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device


-- Original message--
From: Lennart Guldbrandsson
Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 6:08 AM
To: Gendergap;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from 
Sweden :-/


Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
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världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
Jimmy Wales

 
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love 
the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. 
I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get 
together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so 
maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this 
sound like an interesting idea to anyone?

Kaldari

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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Jim Hayes]

i say if you would attend,
the challenge is to organize one
(said by the serial attender)

the nice thing about glamcamp
was training; empowering editors to organize events;
it could start as a low cost, wikisalon, then move to editathon
(if you build some contacts with an institution)
does take some time, but the salons could just be "hey everyone, i'm
hanging out here at a regular time"

try it, nothing to lose.

slow

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:44 AM, María Sefidari  wrote:

> I love the idea of a Wikiwomencamp version 2.0. I thought the one in
> Buenos Aires was such a breath of fresh air at the time. Please let me know
> how I can best help.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> María
>
> Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil
>
> El 2/12/2014, a las 0:46, G. White  escribió:
>
> How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be
> better than a bay. :)
>
> Whiteghost.ink
>
> On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd attend a Bay Area meetup!
>>
>> -VAL
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari 
>> wrote:
>> > Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
>> love
>> > the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
>> > communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
>> from
>> > an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
>> are in
>> > the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco
>> or
>> > Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>> >
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[Kerry Raymond]

I'm up for a Sydney meet-up!

 

Kerry

 

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How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be
better than a bay. :)

Whiteghost.ink

 

On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora 
wrote:

I'd attend a Bay Area meetup!

-VAL


On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
love
> the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
from
> an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are
in
> the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or
> Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[María Sefidari]

I love the idea of a Wikiwomencamp version 2.0. I thought the one in Buenos 
Aires was such a breath of fresh air at the time. Please let me know how I can 
best help.

Kind regards,

María 
 
Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil

> El 2/12/2014, a las 0:46, G. White  escribió:
> 
> How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be 
> better than a bay. :)
> 
> Whiteghost.ink
> 
>> On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora  
>> wrote:
>> I'd attend a Bay Area meetup!
>> 
>> -VAL
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
>> > Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I 
>> > love
>> > the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
>> > communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come 
>> > from
>> > an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in
>> > the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or
>> > Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>> >
>> > Kaldari
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[G. White]

How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be
better than a bay. :)

Whiteghost.ink

On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora 
wrote:

> I'd attend a Bay Area meetup!
>
> -VAL
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
> > Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
> love
> > the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
> > communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
> from
> > an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are
> in
> > the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco
> or
> > Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
> >
> > Kaldari
> >
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Valerie Aurora]

I'd attend a Bay Area meetup!

-VAL

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love
> the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from
> an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in
> the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or
> Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>
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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Sarah Stierch]

Revisiting this thread after I had my tea (I keep reminding myself not to
send emails prior to caffeine intake)

1) Gender Gap conference or whatever re: Keiliana. That's cool. I'm down.
There are usually grants for people to travel to the conference - so
international people and those not in DC, look out.

2) I would like to see some action driven activities. Not just lectures,
and more focus on women/women-identifying people, presenting. The reason I
suggest a "Wikihack" is so we can edit together, celebrate together, and
feel like we left getting some things done - on talk pages or on content
pages. But not have to make it some type of formal edit-a-thon thing.

3) I think it would be super cool to organization WikiWomen/Gender Gap
meetups internationally on a semi regular basis - just for beers and sewing
and solidarity. We see meetup's all the time around the world and I notice
they are still male dominated. I think it would be cool. Perhaps we can
create a meet-up space on Wikipedia for WikiWomen (and those who identify
as such). I'm all down for hanging out with allies, but, I'd really like to
have a woman centric meetup, too.

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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Marie Earley]

Manchester to London, bit too far for time / distance a fortnight before 
Christmas for me.

Marie

From: roberta.we...@wikimedia.org.uk
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:44:02 -0500
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Great idea! Are there enough people on the list within striking distance of 
London to make this a possible venue too? 
Any evening, week commencing 15 December? 
Or propose a date.
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Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love 
the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. 
I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get 
together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so 
maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this 
sound like an interesting idea to anyone?

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Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

[Sarah Stierch]

Yeah I was thinking about this the other day...during my fellowship I
tossed around the idea.

The diversity conference is well and good but I wanted to plan something
specific to editors/contributors. This would be more like a wikihack - we
work on projects - from editing Wikipedia to social media and the task
forces..action focused.

UC Berkeley would gladly host. But I don't have the capacity to plan
something like that and pay the rent these days...

Sarah
On Dec 1, 2014 6:56 AM, "Keilana"  wrote:

> Hi! Wikimedia DC is planning to hold another iteration of the Diversity
> Conference, which has a strong gender gap component. More details to come.
> :)
>
> -Emily
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
>> We were discussing the same thing here in the Netherlands. I think we
>> want to try to hold another Art&Feminism edit-a-thon next year along with
>> the New York version, but we wanted to do something more as well,
>> especially because it's so hard to even explain what the gendergap is. Some
>> people confuse it with the gender pay gap (and honestly I have no idea
>> whether there is a gender pay gap for Wikimedia organisations, but it may
>> help to list that as one aspect, if only to show that this is NOT what we
>> are talking about)
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
>> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long
>>> way from Sweden :-/
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>>>
>>> 070 - 207 80 05
>>> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
>>> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
>>> Presentation
>>> <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal>
>>> @aliasHannibal <http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter
>>>
>>> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
>>> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
>>> <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>*. Det är vårt mål.*"
>>> Jimmy Wales
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
>>> From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
>>> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>>>
>>> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
>>> love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
>>> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
>>> from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
>>> are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
>>> Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>>>
>>> Kaldari
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[Roberta Wedge]

Great idea! Are there enough people on the list within striking distance of
London to make this a possible venue too?

Any evening, week commencing 15 December?

Or propose a date.

Roberta


*Roberta Wedge*
*Gender Gap Project, **Wikimedia UK*
roberta.we...@wikimedia.org.uk
4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT
+44 (0)20 7065 0921

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other related Wikimedia projects.
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charity (Registered No.1144513).

Visit wikimedia.org.uk  and @wikimediauk

On 1 December 2014 at 05:07, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:

> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
> love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
> from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
> are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
> Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>
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[Keilana]

Hi! Wikimedia DC is planning to hold another iteration of the Diversity
Conference, which has a strong gender gap component. More details to come.
:)

-Emily

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> We were discussing the same thing here in the Netherlands. I think we want
> to try to hold another Art&Feminism edit-a-thon next year along with the
> New York version, but we wanted to do something more as well, especially
> because it's so hard to even explain what the gendergap is. Some people
> confuse it with the gender pay gap (and honestly I have no idea whether
> there is a gender pay gap for Wikimedia organisations, but it may help to
> list that as one aspect, if only to show that this is NOT what we are
> talking about)
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long
>> way from Sweden :-/
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>>
>> 070 - 207 80 05
>> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
>> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
>> Presentation <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal>
>> @aliasHannibal <http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter
>>
>> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
>> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
>> <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>*. Det är vårt mål.*"
>> Jimmy Wales
>>
>> --
>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
>> From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
>> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>>
>> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
>> love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
>> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
>> from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
>> are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
>> Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>>
>> Kaldari
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[Jane Darnell]

We were discussing the same thing here in the Netherlands. I think we want
to try to hold another Art&Feminism edit-a-thon next year along with the
New York version, but we wanted to do something more as well, especially
because it's so hard to even explain what the gendergap is. Some people
confuse it with the gender pay gap (and honestly I have no idea whether
there is a gender pay gap for Wikimedia organisations, but it may help to
list that as one aspect, if only to show that this is NOT what we are
talking about)

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way
> from Sweden :-/
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> Presentation <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal>
> @aliasHannibal <http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter
>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap*
> <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>*. Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
> From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
>
> Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
> love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
> communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
> from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
> are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
> Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?
>
> Kaldari
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[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from 
Sweden :-/ 


Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg


Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter

"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."


Jimmy Wales

Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800
From: rkald...@wikimedia.org
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?

Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love 
the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. 
I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get 
together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so 
maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this 
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[Ryan Kaldari]

Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I
love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of
communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come
from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list
are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San
Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone?

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