Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]
Dear Anthony (AGK) I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect to deletion, or not, of those images ? With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on identical complaint. I would also like to know by when you will publish across all Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under which was blocked. Thanks On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: > This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor > school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and > India despite legal notice to remove them. > Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same > degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their > permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly > viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation > service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called > [[India Against Corruption]]. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]
Why has this e-mail been crossposted to the gender gap list? On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Romana Busse wrote: > Dear Anthony (AGK) > > I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect > to deletion, or not, of those images ? > > With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the > children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates > and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that > day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur > > I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would > be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law > whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the > images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on > identical complaint. > > I would also like to know by when you will publish across all > Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have > allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as > alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under > which was blocked. > > Thanks > > On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: > > This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor > > school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and > > India despite legal notice to remove them. > > Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same > > degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their > > permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly > > viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation > > service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called > > [[India Against Corruption]]. > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]
Hi Nathan Thanks for voicing your concerns about cross-posting. This is an email about the inept way WMF is "closing" the gender gap. The children at risk include a large number of females who were being inducted as editors into Wikipedia via a disastrous WMF initiative in India, at a training session in their school where they allegedly watched graphic LGBT pornography on Wikimedia Commons etc. Complaints listing the URLs of all the clearly identifiable images of these attendees has been circulated to Members of Parliament in India. Citizendium had deleted the same images in 12 hours, but WMF Legal and EN:ARBCOM are passing the deletion buck to each other. This link has some more information http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki_talk:What_is_going_on_at_Citizendium%3F#Citizendium_needs_to_close On 11/18/14, Nathan wrote: > Why has this e-mail been crossposted to the gender gap list? > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Romana Busse > wrote: > >> Dear Anthony (AGK) >> >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? >> >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur >> >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on >> identical complaint. >> >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under >> which was blocked. >> >> Thanks >> >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: >> > This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor >> > school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and >> > India despite legal notice to remove them. >> > Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same >> > degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their >> > permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly >> > viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation >> > service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called >> > [[India Against Corruption]]. >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Dear Mr. Davies From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I hence suspect that your email is bogus. Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the account of the person who reported me for being an alleged sockpuppet.. It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: > > Romana Busse: > > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. > > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: > > le...@wikimedia.org > > Roger Davies > Arbitration Committee > > > > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: >> Dear Anthony (AGK) >> >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? >> >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur >> >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on >> identical complaint. >> >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under >> which was blocked. >> >> Thanks >> >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation >>> service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called >>> [[India Against Corruption]]. >> >> ___ >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en >> > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Hi Romana, CC'ing the list into threads like this falls outside of our charter, which you can read at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap . Please stop doing it. If you want to start a discussion thread on this issue that's fine, but please don't cross-post to threads like this. Thanks, -Leigh, wearing my moderator hat. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Romana Busse wrote: > Dear Mr. Davies > > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members > I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I > hence suspect that your email is bogus. > > Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a > scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration > Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. > > I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such > concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made > on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users > "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring > to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker > and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. > > It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the > instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I > brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively > discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out > all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the > account of the person who reported me for being an alleged > sockpuppet.. > > It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple > accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or > why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when > I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very > strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . > > It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its > anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. > > I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and > investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. > > On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: >> >> Romana Busse: >> >> This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. >> >> The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this >> matter. Any further communications should be sent to: >> >> le...@wikimedia.org >> >> Roger Davies >> Arbitration Committee >> >> >> >> On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: >>> Dear Anthony (AGK) >>> >>> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect >>> to deletion, or not, of those images ? >>> >>> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the >>> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates >>> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that >>> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur >>> >>> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would >>> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law >>> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the >>> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on >>> identical complaint. >>> >>> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all >>> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have >>> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as >>> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under >>> which was blocked. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and India despite legal notice to remove them. Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called [[India Against Corruption]]. >>> >>> ___ >>> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en >>> >> > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Leigh Honeywell http://hypatia.ca @hypatiadotca ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Personal attacks are not permitted on Wikipedia. On Nov 18, 2014 2:37 PM, "Romana Busse" wrote: > Dear Mr. Davies > > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members > I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I > hence suspect that your email is bogus. > > Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a > scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration > Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. > > I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such > concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made > on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users > "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring > to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker > and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. > > It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the > instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I > brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively > discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out > all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the > account of the person who reported me for being an alleged > sockpuppet.. > > It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple > accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or > why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when > I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very > strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . > > It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its > anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. > > I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and > investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. > > On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: > > > > Romana Busse: > > > > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. > > > > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this > > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: > > > > le...@wikimedia.org > > > > Roger Davies > > Arbitration Committee > > > > > > > > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: > >> Dear Anthony (AGK) > >> > >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect > >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? > >> > >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the > >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates > >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that > >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur > >> > >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would > >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law > >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the > >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on > >> identical complaint. > >> > >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all > >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have > >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as > >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under > >> which was blocked. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: > >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor > >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and > >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. > >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same > >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their > >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly > >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation > >>> service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called > >>> [[India Against Corruption]]. > >> > >> ___ > >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en > >> > > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail (and the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse wrote: > Dear Mr. Davies > > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members > I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I > hence suspect that your email is bogus. > > Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a > scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration > Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. > > I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such > concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made > on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users > "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring > to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker > and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. > > It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the > instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I > brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively > discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out > all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the > account of the person who reported me for being an alleged > sockpuppet.. > > It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple > accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or > why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when > I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very > strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . > > It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its > anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. > > I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and > investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. > > On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: > > > > Romana Busse: > > > > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. > > > > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this > > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: > > > > le...@wikimedia.org > > > > Roger Davies > > Arbitration Committee > > > > > > > > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: > >> Dear Anthony (AGK) > >> > >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect > >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? > >> > >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the > >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates > >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that > >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur > >> > >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would > >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law > >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the > >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on > >> identical complaint. > >> > >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all > >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have > >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as > >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under > >> which was blocked. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: > >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor > >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and > >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. > >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same > >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their > >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly > >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation > >>> service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called > >>> [[India Against Corruption]]. > >> > >> ___ > >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en > >> > > > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
I was going back and forth on speaking up myself, but I concur. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Nathan wrote: > > Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail (and > the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender. > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse wrote: >> Dear Mr. Davies >> >> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members >> I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I >> hence suspect that your email is bogus. >> >> Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a >> scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration >> Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. >> >> I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such >> concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made >> on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users >> "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring >> to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker >> and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. >> >> It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the >> instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I >> brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively >> discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out >> all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the >> account of the person who reported me for being an alleged >> sockpuppet.. >> >> It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple >> accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or >> why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when >> I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very >> strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . >> >> It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its >> anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. >> >> I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and >> investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. >> >> On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: >> > >> > Romana Busse: >> > >> > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. >> > >> > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this >> > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: >> > >> > le...@wikimedia.org >> > >> > Roger Davies >> > Arbitration Committee >> > >> > >> > >> > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: >> >> Dear Anthony (AGK) >> >> >> >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect >> >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? >> >> >> >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the >> >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates >> >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that >> >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur >> >> >> >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would >> >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law >> >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the >> >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on >> >> identical complaint. >> >> >> >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all >> >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have >> >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as >> >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under >> >> which was blocked. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: >> >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor >> >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and >> >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. >> >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same >> >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their >> >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly >> >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation >> >>> service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called >> >>> [[India Against Corruption]]. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en >> >> >> > >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > ___ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Yeah, I don't see how this is at all relevant to the gender gap. Please moderate the sender. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM, George Herbert wrote: > > I was going back and forth on speaking up myself, but I concur. > > George William Herbert > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Nathan wrote: > > Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail > (and the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender. > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse > wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Davies >> >> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members >> I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I >> hence suspect that your email is bogus. >> >> Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a >> scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration >> Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. >> >> I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such >> concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made >> on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users >> "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring >> to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker >> and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. >> >> It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the >> instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I >> brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively >> discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out >> all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the >> account of the person who reported me for being an alleged >> sockpuppet.. >> >> It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple >> accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or >> why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when >> I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very >> strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . >> >> It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its >> anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. >> >> I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and >> investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. >> >> On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: >> > >> > Romana Busse: >> > >> > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. >> > >> > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this >> > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: >> > >> > le...@wikimedia.org >> > >> > Roger Davies >> > Arbitration Committee >> > >> > >> > >> > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: >> >> Dear Anthony (AGK) >> >> >> >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect >> >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? >> >> >> >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the >> >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates >> >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that >> >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur >> >> >> >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would >> >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law >> >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the >> >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on >> >> identical complaint. >> >> >> >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all >> >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have >> >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as >> >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under >> >> which was blocked. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: >> >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor >> >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and >> >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. >> >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same >> >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their >> >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly >> >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation >> >>> service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called >> >>> [[India Against Corruption]]. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASC >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-appeals-en >> >> >> > >> >> ___ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/m
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Please moderate or even remove access to this list. Risker On 18 November 2014 16:52, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Yeah, I don't see how this is at all relevant to the gender gap. Please > moderate the sender. > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM, George Herbert > wrote: > >> >> I was going back and forth on speaking up myself, but I concur. >> >> George William Herbert >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Nathan wrote: >> >> Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail >> (and the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender. >> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Mr. Davies >>> >>> From >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members >>> I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I >>> hence suspect that your email is bogus. >>> >>> Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a >>> scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration >>> Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. >>> >>> I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such >>> concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made >>> on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users >>> "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring >>> to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker >>> and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. >>> >>> It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the >>> instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I >>> brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively >>> discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out >>> all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the >>> account of the person who reported me for being an alleged >>> sockpuppet.. >>> >>> It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple >>> accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or >>> why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when >>> I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very >>> strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . >>> >>> It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its >>> anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. >>> >>> I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and >>> investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. >>> >>> On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: >>> > >>> > Romana Busse: >>> > >>> > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. >>> > >>> > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this >>> > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: >>> > >>> > le...@wikimedia.org >>> > >>> > Roger Davies >>> > Arbitration Committee >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: >>> >> Dear Anthony (AGK) >>> >> >>> >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect >>> >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? >>> >> >>> >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the >>> >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates >>> >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that >>> >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur >>> >> >>> >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would >>> >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law >>> >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the >>> >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on >>> >> identical complaint. >>> >> >>> >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all >>> >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have >>> >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as >>> >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under >>> >> which was blocked. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> >>> >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: >>> >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor >>> >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and >>> >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. >>> >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same >>> >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their >>> >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly >>> >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation >>> >>> service which has now been disabled on complaint by a body called >>> >>> [[India Against Corruption]]. >>> >> >>> >> ___ >>> >> ArbCom-appeals-en mailing list >>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Mod bit set. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Risker wrote: > Please moderate or even remove access to this list. > > Risker > > On 18 November 2014 16:52, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > >> Yeah, I don't see how this is at all relevant to the gender gap. Please >> moderate the sender. >> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM, George Herbert > > wrote: >> >>> >>> I was going back and forth on speaking up myself, but I concur. >>> >>> George William Herbert >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Nathan wrote: >>> >>> Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail >>> (and the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse >>> wrote: >>> Dear Mr. Davies From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I hence suspect that your email is bogus. Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the account of the person who reported me for being an alleged sockpuppet.. It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: > > Romana Busse: > > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. > > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: > > le...@wikimedia.org > > Roger Davies > Arbitration Committee > > > > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: >> Dear Anthony (AGK) >> >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? >> >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, the >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, magistrates >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur >> >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee would >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of law >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now on >> identical complaint. >> >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under >> which was blocked. >> >> Thanks >> >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian minor >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. >>> Taken within their school (where their parents expected the same >>> degree of privacy as they enjoy at home) and uploaded without their >>> permission, consent or knowledge, at a location where they allegedly >>> viewed grossly obscene pornography accessed on a Wikimedia Foundation >>> service which has now been disabled on co
Re: [Gendergap] [arbcom-appeals-en] [Child Protection Policy]Gender Gap issues
Thank you everyone for looking out and thanks Leigh for using your moderator powers. -Sarah On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > Mod bit set. > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Risker wrote: > >> Please moderate or even remove access to this list. >> >> Risker >> >> On 18 November 2014 16:52, Ryan Kaldari wrote: >> >>> Yeah, I don't see how this is at all relevant to the gender gap. Please >>> moderate the sender. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM, George Herbert < >>> george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I was going back and forth on speaking up myself, but I concur. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Nathan wrote: Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail (and the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse wrote: > Dear Mr. Davies > > From > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee#Members > I observe you are an "inactive" Member of this alleged committee. I > hence suspect that your email is bogus. > > Accordingly I would appreciate receiving a signed email, or even a > scanned signed email clearly given on behalf of the Arbitration > Committee listing its physical address for service of legal process. > > I am shocked by the casual and secretive approach adopted to such > concerns of child pornography, especially when it was previously made > on another website http://wikipediocracy.com, naming 2 of your users > "Sitush" and "Bishonen" using sexually colored language and referring > to child pornography on your website. This Sitush is a serial stalker > and harasser of female Wikipedia editors as your Arbcom knows well.. > > It is certainly strange that I was blocked as a sock puppet at the > instance of these same 2 users (1 of whom is your Admin) when I > brought that message to their attention. It seems Wikipedia actively > discourages reporting such sexual harassment to Admins and wipes out > all trace of it from public gaze, to the extent of terminating the > account of the person who reported me for being an alleged > sockpuppet.. > > It is even stranger that you will not disclose / specify the multiple > accounts and IPs I am accused of using as an alleged sock puppet or > why I am accused of being an India Against Corruption sockpuppet when > I have never edited any page concerned with that body. It is very > strange that Arbcom will not comply with its own policies for this. . > > It is clear that the Arbcom is covering up the actions of its > anonymous users implicated in child pornography by another website. > > I urge you to reconsider as I firmly intend to pursue this matter and > investigate all your own antecedents on your inactions.. > > On 11/19/14, Roger Davies wrote: > > > > Romana Busse: > > > > This is to acknowledge receipt of your emails of yesterday and today. > > > > The Arbitration Committee is unable to assist you further in this > > matter. Any further communications should be sent to: > > > > le...@wikimedia.org > > > > Roger Davies > > Arbitration Committee > > > > > > > > On 18/11/2014 15:41, Romana Busse wrote: > >> Dear Anthony (AGK) > >> > >> I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with > respect > >> to deletion, or not, of those images ? > >> > >> With the welfare of the children in mind, I feel that the school, > the > >> children's parents and the local child welfare committees, > magistrates > >> and police should be properly sensitized to the incidents of that > >> day, and to ensure it cannot reoccur > >> > >> I'm sure the police and the Indian Govt Cyber Advisory Committee > would > >> be interested in learning from you or NYBrad the finer points of > law > >> whereby Citizendium encyclopedia decides to completely wipes out the > >> images within 12 hours but Wikipedia has not done anything till now > on > >> identical complaint. > >> > >> I would also like to know by when you will publish across all > >> Wikipedia projects the complete list of accounts and IPs I have > >> allegedly used, and also if I am a sockpuppet of User:MehulWB as > >> alleged or not. This is required by your same policy WP:SOCK under > >> which was blocked. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> On 11/18/14, Romana Busse wrote: > >>> This is about a potential threat to clearly identifiable Indian > minor > >>> school children whose images are retained on WMF servers in USA and > >>> India despite legal notice to remove them. > >>> Taken within their school (where their par
