Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Fred Bauder]

It is on the English Wikipedia that an attempt was made to draw firm
lines regarding civility; though it has partially failed.

Our efforts were even mentioned in The New York Times, although, when I
searched I found this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/technology/09blog.html

Which is interesting in its own right.

This was the one I was looking for:

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/weekinreview/29cohen.html

Fred

> Guess we need lots more people on Commons, too, who do not tolerate
> bigotry towards women
>
> On 5/26/2011 8:01 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
>> carol,
>>
>> en.wiki aproved that, Commons didn't. You can't use a rule from one
>> wiki in another. IF - and that is a BIG if, if commons community
>> approve such kind of rules, you people can remove all comments you can
>> find
>>
>> Until there, is censure, and you people will not do it while i'm there
>> to watch commons RC.
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[carolmooredc]

Guess we need lots more people on Commons, too, who do not tolerate 
bigotry towards women


On 5/26/2011 8:01 PM, Béria Lima wrote:

carol,

en.wiki aproved that, Commons didn't. You can't use a rule from one 
wiki in another. IF - and that is a BIG if, if commons community 
approve such kind of rules, you people can remove all comments you can 
find


Until there, is censure, and you people will not do it while i'm there 
to watch commons RC.

_
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livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que 
estamos a fazer./



2011/5/27 mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>>

Racist, homophobic and anti-semitic comments are certainly
criticized and people ask for their removal. A pattern of such
comments could get one banned. The same should be true for
obviously sexist comments. In fact, it's here
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil#Identifying_incivility -
after a long debate with some editors strongly opposed to adding
such sexist comments.

* (b) personal attacks
  , 
including
  racial, ethnic, sexual, gender-related and religious slurs,
  and derogatory references to groups such as social classes
  or nationalities;



On 5/26/2011 2:53 PM, Sarah wrote:

2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari  


Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a
sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read through
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment

These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them,
please delete them or email me. Thanks.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:34, Béria Lima  
  wrote:

If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
noticeboard "on sight"
_
Béria Lima
Wikimedia Portugal
(351) 963 953 042

Béria, you've rightly asked that people not generalize their
responses, where they assume everyone feels as they do. But the same
applies to you. You're not offended by these comments. You would see
their removal as censorship. Others disagree, and their arguments are
valid too.

It would be interesting if we could try to find common ground.

I agree with you that it's important not to be over-sensitive. But a
big problem is that women have been taught for hundreds of years that
they're just over-reacting when they say they see discrimination.

So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming
for as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive
to perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived
censorship?

Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Ryan Kaldari]

I'm sure all the persecuted fans of "big tits" will appreciate your efforts.

Ryan Kaldari

On 5/26/11 5:01 PM, Béria Lima wrote:

carol,

en.wiki aproved that, Commons didn't. You can't use a rule from one 
wiki in another. IF - and that is a BIG if, if commons community 
approve such kind of rules, you people can remove all comments you can 
find


Until there, is censure, and you people will not do it while i'm there 
to watch commons RC.

_
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Wikimedia Portugal 
(351) 963 953 042

/Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter 
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que 
estamos a fazer./



2011/5/27 mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>>

Racist, homophobic and anti-semitic comments are certainly
criticized and people ask for their removal. A pattern of such
comments could get one banned. The same should be true for
obviously sexist comments. In fact, it's here
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil#Identifying_incivility -
after a long debate with some editors strongly opposed to adding
such sexist comments.

* (b) personal attacks
  , 
including
  racial, ethnic, sexual, gender-related and religious slurs,
  and derogatory references to groups such as social classes
  or nationalities;



On 5/26/2011 2:53 PM, Sarah wrote:

2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari  


Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a
sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read through
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment

These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them,
please delete them or email me. Thanks.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:34, Béria Lima  
  wrote:

If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
noticeboard "on sight"
_
Béria Lima
Wikimedia Portugal
(351) 963 953 042

Béria, you've rightly asked that people not generalize their
responses, where they assume everyone feels as they do. But the same
applies to you. You're not offended by these comments. You would see
their removal as censorship. Others disagree, and their arguments are
valid too.

It would be interesting if we could try to find common ground.

I agree with you that it's important not to be over-sensitive. But a
big problem is that women have been taught for hundreds of years that
they're just over-reacting when they say they see discrimination.

So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming
for as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive
to perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived
censorship?

Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Béria Lima]

carol,

en.wiki aproved that, Commons didn't. You can't use a rule from one wiki in
another. IF - and that is a BIG if, if commons community approve such kind
of rules, you people can remove all comments you can find

Until there, is censure, and you people will not do it while i'm there to
watch commons RC.
_
*Béria Lima*
Wikimedia Portugal 
(351) 963 953 042

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer.*


2011/5/27 

>  Racist, homophobic and anti-semitic comments are certainly criticized and
> people ask for their removal. A pattern of such comments could get one
> banned. The same should be true for obviously sexist comments. In fact, it's
> here
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil#Identifying_incivility -
> after a long debate with some editors strongly opposed to adding such sexist
> comments.
>
>- (b) personal 
> attacks,
>including racial, ethnic, sexual, gender-related and religious slurs, and
>derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities;
>
>
>
> On 5/26/2011 2:53 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
>  2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari  
>
>  Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a
> sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
> heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read 
> throughhttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment
>
> These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them,
> please delete them or email me. Thanks.
>
>  On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:34, Béria Lima  
>  wrote:
>
>  If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
> noticeboard "on sight"
> _
> Béria Lima
> Wikimedia Portugal
> (351) 963 953 042
>
>  Béria, you've rightly asked that people not generalize their
> responses, where they assume everyone feels as they do. But the same
> applies to you. You're not offended by these comments. You would see
> their removal as censorship. Others disagree, and their arguments are
> valid too.
>
> It would be interesting if we could try to find common ground.
>
> I agree with you that it's important not to be over-sensitive. But a
> big problem is that women have been taught for hundreds of years that
> they're just over-reacting when they say they see discrimination.
>
> So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming
> for as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive
> to perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived
> censorship?
>
> Sarah
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[carolmooredc]

Racist, homophobic and anti-semitic comments are certainly criticized 
and people ask for their removal. A pattern of such comments could get 
one banned. The same should be true for obviously sexist comments. In 
fact, it's here
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil#Identifying_incivility 
- after a long debate with some editors strongly opposed to adding such 
sexist comments.


   * (b) personal attacks
 ,
 including racial, ethnic, sexual, gender-related and religious
 slurs, and derogatory references to groups such as social classes
 or nationalities;



On 5/26/2011 2:53 PM, Sarah wrote:

2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari

Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a
sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read through
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment

These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them,
please delete them or email me. Thanks.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:34, Béria Lima  wrote:

If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
noticeboard "on sight"
_
Béria Lima
Wikimedia Portugal
(351) 963 953 042

Béria, you've rightly asked that people not generalize their
responses, where they assume everyone feels as they do. But the same
applies to you. You're not offended by these comments. You would see
their removal as censorship. Others disagree, and their arguments are
valid too.

It would be interesting if we could try to find common ground.

I agree with you that it's important not to be over-sensitive. But a
big problem is that women have been taught for hundreds of years that
they're just over-reacting when they say they see discrimination.

So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming
for as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive
to perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived
censorship?

Sarah

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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Béria Lima]

>
> *So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming for
> as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive to
> perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived
> censorship?
> *


I imagined that is the propose of that list, Sara.
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2011/5/26 Sarah 

> > 2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari 
> >>
> >> Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a
> >> sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
> >> heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read
> through
> >> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment
> >>
> >> These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them,
> >> please delete them or email me. Thanks.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:34, Béria Lima  wrote:
> > If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
> > noticeboard "on sight"
> > _
> > Béria Lima
> > Wikimedia Portugal
> > (351) 963 953 042
>
> Béria, you've rightly asked that people not generalize their
> responses, where they assume everyone feels as they do. But the same
> applies to you. You're not offended by these comments. You would see
> their removal as censorship. Others disagree, and their arguments are
> valid too.
>
> It would be interesting if we could try to find common ground.
>
> I agree with you that it's important not to be over-sensitive. But a
> big problem is that women have been taught for hundreds of years that
> they're just over-reacting when they say they see discrimination.
>
> So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming
> for as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive
> to perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived
> censorship?
>
> Sarah
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Ryan Kaldari]

That's fine with me. If someone feels that objectifying women is kosher 
on Commons, I'll be happy to discuss it with them on the Administrator's 
noticeboard.


Ryan Kaldari

On 5/26/11 11:34 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm 
noticeboard "on sight"

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2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari >


Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They
create a sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who
isn't a heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you,
please read through
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment

These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see
them, please delete them or email me. Thanks.

Ryan Kaldari


On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:

Comments like that don't make me run out of commons, but they do
get an eye roll from me at the very least. I don't see why that
kind of comment is necessary.

The images or comments are not what keep me from participating in
commons, it's not having a clear sense of whether or not comments
like that are the norm on commons or considered acceptable, as
well as not knowing the best way to respond. I spend most of my
time on a smaller wiki, where I have a better sense of what the
rules are and who to contact within that community for advice on
how to handle that kind of thing. Since I don't have as good a
sense of the issues on Commons, I usually don't comment.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Béria Lima
mailto:beria.l...@wikimedia.pt>> wrote:

Sarah

Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that
"you're not welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why
that particular comment would in some way made girls run out
commons.
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2011/5/23 Sarah mailto:slimvir...@gmail.com>>

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
mailto:metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradit...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> dear sarah
>
> i want to give you a small feedback about your entries
here about a
> comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my
userpage in the
> german wikipedia)
>
> "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion)
22:59, 2 January
> 2011 (UTC)"
>
> there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not
educational and
> questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the
other replies
> the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are
bullshit in my
> opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i
am to obliging
> to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit.
for example if i
> want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture
of a piece of
> shit ist educational, and if i want to know something
about the
> frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
> helpfully/educational. if people naming something not
educational,
> they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my
personal pov!)
> but they vote this way, but really really often simply
mean: "i hate
> this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind
of nudity in the
> commons"
>
> in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in
english i spare
> the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a
short pro
> vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i
am not addicted
> to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
> if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it
would like:
> "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with
common licences,
> this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual
in a beautyfull
> landscape".  so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
>
> but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the
contra-side argues
> with "not educational"
  

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Sarah]

> 2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari 
>>
>> Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a
>> sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
>> heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read through
>> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment
>>
>> These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them,
>> please delete them or email me. Thanks.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:34, Béria Lima  wrote:
> If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
> noticeboard "on sight"
> _
> Béria Lima
> Wikimedia Portugal
> (351) 963 953 042

Béria, you've rightly asked that people not generalize their
responses, where they assume everyone feels as they do. But the same
applies to you. You're not offended by these comments. You would see
their removal as censorship. Others disagree, and their arguments are
valid too.

It would be interesting if we could try to find common ground.

I agree with you that it's important not to be over-sensitive. But a
big problem is that women have been taught for hundreds of years that
they're just over-reacting when they say they see discrimination.

So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming
for as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive
to perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived
censorship?

Sarah

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[Béria Lima]

If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm
noticeboard "on sight"
_
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acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer.*


2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldari 

>  Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a
> sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a
> heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read through
> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment
>
> These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them, please
> delete them or email me. Thanks.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
>
> On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
>
> Comments like that don't make me run out of commons, but they do get an eye
> roll from me at the very least. I don't see why that kind of comment is
> necessary.
>
> The images or comments are not what keep me from participating in commons,
> it's not having a clear sense of whether or not comments like that are the
> norm on commons or considered acceptable, as well as not knowing the best
> way to respond. I spend most of my time on a smaller wiki, where I have a
> better sense of what the rules are and who to contact within that community
> for advice on how to handle that kind of thing. Since I don't have as good a
> sense of the issues on Commons, I usually don't comment.
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
>
>> Sarah
>>
>> Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that "you're not
>> welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why that particular comment
>> would in some way made girls run out commons.
>>  _
>> *Béria Lima*
>> Wikimedia Portugal 
>> (351) 963 953 042
>>
>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
>> estamos a fazer.*
>>
>>
>>   2011/5/23 Sarah 
>>
>>>  On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
>>>  wrote:
>>> > dear sarah
>>> >
>>> > i want to give you a small feedback about your entries here about a
>>> > comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my userpage in the
>>> > german wikipedia)
>>> >
>>> > "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59, 2 January
>>> > 2011 (UTC)"
>>> >
>>> > there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not educational and
>>> > questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the other replies
>>> > the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are bullshit in my
>>> > opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i am to obliging
>>> > to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit. for example if i
>>> > want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture of a piece of
>>> > shit ist educational, and if i want to know something about the
>>> > frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
>>> > helpfully/educational. if people naming something not educational,
>>> > they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my personal pov!)
>>> > but they vote this way, but really really often simply mean: "i hate
>>> > this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind of nudity in the
>>> > commons"
>>> >
>>> > in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in english i spare
>>> > the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a short pro
>>> > vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i am not addicted
>>> > to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
>>> > if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it would like:
>>> > "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with common licences,
>>> > this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual in a beautyfull
>>> > landscape".  so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
>>> >
>>> > but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the contra-side argues
>>> > with "not educational"
>>> >
>>> > i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in the comment.
>>> >
>>> > best regards
>>> > le frog du rabbit
>>> >
>>>  Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.
>>>
>>> The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more women editors
>>> to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and perhaps also to
>>> change the culture of Wikipedia a little.
>>>
>>> It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around on a talk page
>>> where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the project's
>>> interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see how it could
>>> be in the interests of the individual women.
>>>
>>> It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the words,
>>> because all we see are the words themselves. For some women (not all,
>>> but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see the world is
>>> not represented here," or "Go away."
>>>
>>> That's one of the reasons it's a problem.
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> _

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Ryan Kaldari]

Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a 
sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a 
heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read 
through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment


These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them, 
please delete them or email me. Thanks.


Ryan Kaldari

On 5/23/11 11:48 AM, Nicole Willson wrote:
Comments like that don't make me run out of commons, but they do get 
an eye roll from me at the very least. I don't see why that kind of 
comment is necessary.


The images or comments are not what keep me from participating in 
commons, it's not having a clear sense of whether or not comments like 
that are the norm on commons or considered acceptable, as well as not 
knowing the best way to respond. I spend most of my time on a smaller 
wiki, where I have a better sense of what the rules are and who to 
contact within that community for advice on how to handle that kind of 
thing. Since I don't have as good a sense of the issues on Commons, I 
usually don't comment.


On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Béria Lima > wrote:


Sarah

Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that "you're
not welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why that
particular comment would in some way made girls run out commons.
_
/Béria Lima/
Wikimedia Portugal 
(351) 963 953 042

/Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de
ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É
isso o que estamos a fazer./


2011/5/23 Sarah mailto:slimvir...@gmail.com>>

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
mailto:metzgerhandwerk.hat.tradit...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> dear sarah
>
> i want to give you a small feedback about your entries here
about a
> comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my
userpage in the
> german wikipedia)
>
> "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59,
2 January
> 2011 (UTC)"
>
> there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not educational and
> questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the
other replies
> the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are
bullshit in my
> opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i am to
obliging
> to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit. for
example if i
> want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture of a
piece of
> shit ist educational, and if i want to know something about the
> frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
> helpfully/educational. if people naming something not
educational,
> they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my
personal pov!)
> but they vote this way, but really really often simply mean:
"i hate
> this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind of
nudity in the
> commons"
>
> in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in english
i spare
> the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a
short pro
> vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i am not
addicted
> to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
> if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it would like:
> "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with common
licences,
> this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual in a
beautyfull
> landscape".  so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
>
> but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the
contra-side argues
> with "not educational"
>
> i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in the
comment.
>
> best regards
> le frog du rabbit
>
Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.

The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more women
editors
to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and perhaps
also to
change the culture of Wikipedia a little.

It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around on a
talk page
where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the
project's
interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see how
it could
be in the interests of the individual women.

It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the words,
because all we see are the words themselves. For some women
(not all,
but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see the
   

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Nicole Willson]

Comments like that don't make me run out of commons, but they do get an eye
roll from me at the very least. I don't see why that kind of comment is
necessary.

The images or comments are not what keep me from participating in commons,
it's not having a clear sense of whether or not comments like that are the
norm on commons or considered acceptable, as well as not knowing the best
way to respond. I spend most of my time on a smaller wiki, where I have a
better sense of what the rules are and who to contact within that community
for advice on how to handle that kind of thing. Since I don't have as good a
sense of the issues on Commons, I usually don't comment.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:

> Sarah
>
> Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that "you're not
> welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why that particular comment
> would in some way made girls run out commons.
> _
> *Béria Lima*
> Wikimedia Portugal 
> (351) 963 953 042
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
> estamos a fazer.*
>
>
> 2011/5/23 Sarah 
>
>> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
>>  wrote:
>> > dear sarah
>> >
>> > i want to give you a small feedback about your entries here about a
>> > comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my userpage in the
>> > german wikipedia)
>> >
>> > "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59, 2 January
>> > 2011 (UTC)"
>> >
>> > there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not educational and
>> > questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the other replies
>> > the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are bullshit in my
>> > opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i am to obliging
>> > to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit. for example if i
>> > want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture of a piece of
>> > shit ist educational, and if i want to know something about the
>> > frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
>> > helpfully/educational. if people naming something not educational,
>> > they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my personal pov!)
>> > but they vote this way, but really really often simply mean: "i hate
>> > this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind of nudity in the
>> > commons"
>> >
>> > in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in english i spare
>> > the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a short pro
>> > vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i am not addicted
>> > to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
>> > if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it would like:
>> > "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with common licences,
>> > this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual in a beautyfull
>> > landscape".  so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
>> >
>> > but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the contra-side argues
>> > with "not educational"
>> >
>> > i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in the comment.
>> >
>> > best regards
>> > le frog du rabbit
>> >
>> Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.
>>
>> The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more women editors
>> to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and perhaps also to
>> change the culture of Wikipedia a little.
>>
>> It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around on a talk page
>> where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the project's
>> interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see how it could
>> be in the interests of the individual women.
>>
>> It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the words,
>> because all we see are the words themselves. For some women (not all,
>> but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see the world is
>> not represented here," or "Go away."
>>
>> That's one of the reasons it's a problem.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Béria Lima]

Sarah

Speak for yourself. I'm also a woman and i don't see that "you're not
welcome" in his comment, and also can't see why that particular comment
would in some way made girls run out commons.
_
*Béria Lima*
Wikimedia Portugal 
(351) 963 953 042

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer.*


2011/5/23 Sarah 

> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
>  wrote:
> > dear sarah
> >
> > i want to give you a small feedback about your entries here about a
> > comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my userpage in the
> > german wikipedia)
> >
> > "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59, 2 January
> > 2011 (UTC)"
> >
> > there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not educational and
> > questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the other replies
> > the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are bullshit in my
> > opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i am to obliging
> > to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit. for example if i
> > want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture of a piece of
> > shit ist educational, and if i want to know something about the
> > frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
> > helpfully/educational. if people naming something not educational,
> > they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my personal pov!)
> > but they vote this way, but really really often simply mean: "i hate
> > this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind of nudity in the
> > commons"
> >
> > in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in english i spare
> > the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a short pro
> > vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i am not addicted
> > to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
> > if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it would like:
> > "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with common licences,
> > this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual in a beautyfull
> > landscape".  so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
> >
> > but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the contra-side argues
> > with "not educational"
> >
> > i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in the comment.
> >
> > best regards
> > le frog du rabbit
> >
> Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.
>
> The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more women editors
> to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and perhaps also to
> change the culture of Wikipedia a little.
>
> It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around on a talk page
> where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the project's
> interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see how it could
> be in the interests of the individual women.
>
> It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the words,
> because all we see are the words themselves. For some women (not all,
> but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see the world is
> not represented here," or "Go away."
>
> That's one of the reasons it's a problem.
>
> Sarah
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Sarah]

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:32, Bob Sponge
 wrote:
> dear sarah
>
> i want to give you a small feedback about your entries here about a
> comment i did. (i found this list with a notice on my userpage in the
> german wikipedia)
>
> "Pro i like her big tits :-) Bunnyfrosch (Diskussion) 22:59, 2 January
> 2011 (UTC)"
>
> there were 2 contra votes before, one argued not educational and
> questioned: "Why manga woman rhymes with big tits?" the other replies
> the "not educational" accusation. both arguments are bullshit in my
> opinion. because all is educational or nothing, but i am to obliging
> to told a another users his/her meaning is bullshit. for example if i
> want to know how a piece of shit looks like, a picture of a piece of
> shit ist educational, and if i want to know something about the
> frontieres of texas, a picture of a map coult very
> helpfully/educational. if people naming something not educational,
> they want to say somthing diffrent. ( note this is my personal pov!)
> but they vote this way, but really really often simply mean: "i hate
> this pic" or "i hate this user" or "i hate every kind of nudity in the
> commons"
>
> in german i often give persons a longer feedback, in english i spare
> the longer feedback. (you can read why^^) so i choose a short pro
> vote, applying to the first contra. and by the way, i am not addicted
> to big or small boobs - i couldn't care less!
> if i had choose a longer explanation for my vote, it would like:
> "wikipedia needs well draught anime pictures, with common licences,
> this one is a great animation of a girl or transsexual in a beautyfull
> landscape".  so, thats the reason i vote with pro.
>
> but there was no need for a argumentaion, when the contra-side argues
> with "not educational"
>
> i hope this will help you, to understand my diction in the comment.
>
> best regards
> le frog du rabbit
>
Bob, thanks for your explanation. It's appreciated.

The thing is this: some of us would like to attract more women editors
to Wikipedia, so that women have more of a voice, and perhaps also to
change the culture of Wikipedia a little.

It's arguably not in a woman's interests to hang around on a talk page
where people are posting about big tits. It may be in the project's
interests to have more women there, but it's hard to see how it could
be in the interests of the individual women.

It doesn't really matter what the intention is behind the words,
because all we see are the words themselves. For some women (not all,
but some), these words effectively mean, "The way you see the world is
not represented here," or "Go away."

That's one of the reasons it's a problem.

Sarah

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