Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
He Brad You are correct, I have similar feelings towards catalyst converter. I will check out an essay in that area since that is probably a more mature and apparently resolved issue.I am sure many parallels will emerge. Having said that, it sounds like we should probably move this to the politics area of the or the brlug :-) take care, AZ On Wednesday 25 February 2009 00:00:38 Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm sure everyone has read the headlines on this. > http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-oblige-microsoft-offer-competitors-browsers/article-179602 > > It's not that I like MS or anything, but i don't understand why this is the > right thing to do. > This seems similar to the EU telling Ford they should offer other openly > available engines in their vehicles, instead of > their own model. > I guess they do things differently at the EU. > One of the other arguments I've read about this before is that you don't see > any programmers who make calculators, > upset that MS includes a calculator for free in Windows. > > If I have a business that makes a product, why should I let anyone > (including the government) tell me what I should > do with or put in my product (other than illegal materials). > > thoughts? > bb > -- > Have Mercy & Say Yeah > ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
I agree that when you put out a product you should be free to do what you want with it but unfortunately when companies have more than 90% of share in a market, they tend to strong arm their competition. Assuming Ford is the only major manufacturer of automobile engines in EU and there are other engine manufacturers, that analogy would be okay. I don't necessarily agree with the EU solution. Its weak and half ass but its more than what we did. What happened to the anti- trust suit against MS? Besides, how can MS remove IE? Personally, I think the hardware manufacturers should be able to offer PCs without an OS or at least have more options. This is where, I think, MS is being more anticompetitive. Now, should we force them? I don't know. Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a preloaded linux one from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents kart...@poobal.net kart...@la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:00 AM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm sure everyone has read the headlines on this. > http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-oblige-microsoft-offer-competitors-browsers/article-179602 > > It's not that I like MS or anything, but i don't understand why this > is the right thing to do. > This seems similar to the EU telling Ford they should offer other > openly available engines in their vehicles, instead of > their own model. > I guess they do things differently at the EU. > One of the other arguments I've read about this before is that you > don't see any programmers who make calculators, > upset that MS includes a calculator for free in Windows. > > If I have a business that makes a product, why should I let anyone > (including the government) tell me what I should > do with or put in my product (other than illegal materials). > > thoughts? > bb > -- > Have Mercy & Say Yeah > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
Back when this first became an issue, web browsers were still considered an add-on to basic computing for the most part. These days web-based applications are often misssion-critical for a lot of companies and users, and the idea of booting up a new computing without a browser can be troublesome. I'd like to see something where during the initial system preparation wizards, the user is presented with the option of using the MS browser or loading an optional 3rd party browser, be it Firefox, Opera, Safari, or whatever. They do something similar with the default search provider now. A few years ago, the idea of "integrating" the web browser with the hosting operating system was a lot bigger than it is now. These days, we think of the web browser as an operating system in and of itself, and as long as the thing works, and is reasonably secure, most people don't care which one they're running. We run applications over a web browser the same way we would be running them locally, and for the most part I believe that it's for the best. I think MS in general doesn't really care which browser people use either, since it's no longer directly tied to profits. To go back to the Ford analogy -- I think if Ford could reasonably make cars without engines, and find a way to still maintain the same profit margins on the cars, they'd seriously consider it. The only drawback would be making sure that the consumer had a choice of a quality engine to put in the car. There would have to be some levels of quality control so that a consumer putting a bad engine in a car wouldn't turn around and blame Ford. Cars and computers make good analogies because they're so complicated, and 99% of the world never fully understands how they work. A lot of time and effort has to go in to making sure that either nothing will go wrong, or when something does go wrong, the right party gets the support call. The way Apple sees it, they don't trust anyone but themselves to have their hands in the guts. They don't want to open their platform to anyone else mainly because they don't want their name tarnished by bad experiences with lesser-quality components. That's why they shut down the clone market, and that's why they won't let their OS (legally) run on commodity hardware. If you limit the options available, you limit the variables where something can go wrong. They've been successful in some aspects, and a failure in other because of this. It's a complete opposite of an Open Source "tinkerer's" market, even thought they've adopted *some* open source software to build it. - Original Message - From: "Karthik Poobal" To: general@brlug.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:24:18 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? I agree that when you put out a product you should be free to do what you want with it but unfortunately when companies have more than 90% of share in a market, they tend to strong arm their competition. Assuming Ford is the only major manufacturer of automobile engines in EU and there are other engine manufacturers, that analogy would be okay. I don't necessarily agree with the EU solution. Its weak and half ass but its more than what we did. What happened to the anti- trust suit against MS? Besides, how can MS remove IE? Personally, I think the hardware manufacturers should be able to offer PCs without an OS or at least have more options. This is where, I think, MS is being more anticompetitive. Now, should we force them? I don't know. Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a preloaded linux one from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents kart...@poobal.net kart...@la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:00 AM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm sure everyone has read the headlines on this. > http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-oblige-microsoft-offer-competitors-browsers/article-179602 > > It's not that I like MS or anything, but i don't understand why this > is the right thing to do. > This seems similar to the EU telling Ford they should offer other > openly available engines in their vehicles, instead of > their own model. > I guess they do things differently at the EU. > One of the other arguments I've read about this before is that you > don't see any programmers who make calculators, > upset that MS includes a calculator for free in Windows. > > If I have a business that makes a product, why should I let anyone > (including the government) tell me what I should > do with or put in my product (other than illegal materials). > > thoughts? > bb > -- > Have Mercy & Say Yeah > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinf
Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a > preloaded linux one > from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW > the same issue applies to Apple. A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago and that makes a big difference. Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS option in various web based build your computer interfaces - remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user but I can see why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more common. I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home users not running Windows. ML Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is something like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a process to order machines without an OS for the small number of people who would even request that sort of thing, you can see why the big box manufacturers don't want to deal with it. A local computer shop will do it because it's not like they have to interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image - Original Message - From: "Mark A. Lappin" To: "general@brlug.net" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? > Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a > preloaded linux one > from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW > the same issue applies to Apple. A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago and that makes a big difference. Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS option in various web based build your computer interfaces - remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user but I can see why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more common. I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home users not running Windows. ML Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
I'm wondering though, at least for Dell, I assume they have an image and the hard drives get imaged way before the assembly line. So, to have an option at the assembly line that says, select drive 1 for Windows or drive 2 for OSS... wouldn't be too much to add. I dunno, i have no idea how it actually works at dell, but it might not be too hard to add. bb On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Tim Fournet wrote: > The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is something > like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a process to order > machines without an OS for the small number of people who would even request > that sort of thing, you can see why the big box manufacturers don't want to > deal with it. A local computer shop will do it because it's not like they > have to interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark A. Lappin" > To: "general@brlug.net" > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? > >> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a >> preloaded linux one >> from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW >> the same issue applies to Apple. > > > > A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as my primary > desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered OEM, linux has been > an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User desktop linux has really > matured over the last few years, it installs easily, supports a lot more > hardware without having to get into anything to technical which if I were an > OEM provider would be a critical decision for me on what OS' to make > available. Not to mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many > more people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago and > that makes a big difference. > > Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to as a home > user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in working for various > helpdesks/IT departments with corporate purchasing accounts. The few > machines I had custom built at local computer shops it was never a problem to > get without the OS (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine > by a few bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM > Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS option in > various web based build your computer interfaces - remember the average user > just wants to turn their computer on and have it work, if a company easily > offered to the masses no OS as an option with a "subtract $399" option, the > average user wanting to save $400 would take it, end up calling support, > being frustrated and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I > 100% agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user but I > can see > why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and thus > more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their margin on that > machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to do even with a phone > call unless they got a really good phone rep (unlikely) or called the > business orders division where its more common. > > I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take more of the > market share, there will be more variety in whats available from big name > computer vendors, I think it is a slow road but there is progress being made. > Once Google releases their OS I think there will be much more of a take off > of OEM support for home users not running Windows. > > > ML > > > Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry > Director of Information Technology > 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 > Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 > www.lmfj.com > > > > This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all > copies of this communication . > > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
I think the subsidies that Tim talks about is if the manufacturer offers only windows. I think the cost of windows goes up if they offer OSS options. The last time I bought a windows XP system builder's version it cost around $100 bucks. That to me is an anticompetitive practice. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents kart...@poobal.net kart...@la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm wondering though, at least for Dell, I assume they have an image > and the hard drives get imaged way before the assembly line. So, to > have > an option at the assembly line that says, select drive 1 for Windows > or > drive 2 for OSS... wouldn't be too much to add. I dunno, i have no > idea > how it actually works at dell, but it might not be too hard to add. > bb > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Tim Fournet wrote: > >> The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is >> something like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a >> process to order machines without an OS for the small number of >> people who would even request that sort of thing, you can see why >> the big box manufacturers don't want to deal with it. A local >> computer shop will do it because it's not like they have to >> interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mark A. Lappin" >> To: "general@brlug.net" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >> Central >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other >> browsers? >> >>> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could >>> not get a preloaded linux one >>> from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit >>> better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. >> >> >> >> A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as >> my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered >> OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User >> desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it >> installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get >> into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be >> a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to >> mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more >> people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago >> and that makes a big difference. >> >> Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to >> as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in >> working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate >> purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local >> computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS >> (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few >> bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM >> Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS >> option in various web based build your computer interfaces - >> remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and >> have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an >> option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to >> save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated >> and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% >> agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user >> but I can see >> why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and >> thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their >> margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to >> do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep >> (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more >> common. >> >> I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take >> more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats >> available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road >> but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I >> think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home >> users not running Windows. >> >> >> ML >> >> >> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry >> Director of Information Technology >> 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 >> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 >> www.lmfj.com >> >> >> >> This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not >> the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail >> and destroy all copies of this communication . >> >> ___ >> General mailing list >> General@brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> _
Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers?
Yes, MS will contribute "Marketing Funds" back to you when you complete certain requirements, like offering machines only with options for Windows. The bigger you are, the more you get, so you can't really blame the Dells of the world for passing them up. In the end, it ends up costing the end user more to get options without Windows... And at some point you have to ask yourself if it's worth paying more to NOT get the license, even if you don't plan on using it. I think for most people, even the ones that plan to put a Linux boot CD in the first time they turn the thing on, it's just something to accept and move on. If it's any consolation, MS doesn't really make money on desktop operating systems sales anymore anyway. The real money is in application suites and services. The desktop OS is just their means of locking the users in - but if you don't run it, and you don't buy the apps from them, then they don't really benefit. Sure, they can count you as one of their "installed" users but that's just giving them more bad data, which in the long run hurts them too... - Original Message - From: "Karthik Poobal" To: general@brlug.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:57:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? I think the subsidies that Tim talks about is if the manufacturer offers only windows. I think the cost of windows goes up if they offer OSS options. The last time I bought a windows XP system builder's version it cost around $100 bucks. That to me is an anticompetitive practice. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents kart...@poobal.net kart...@la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm wondering though, at least for Dell, I assume they have an image > and the hard drives get imaged way before the assembly line. So, to > have > an option at the assembly line that says, select drive 1 for Windows > or > drive 2 for OSS... wouldn't be too much to add. I dunno, i have no > idea > how it actually works at dell, but it might not be too hard to add. > bb > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Tim Fournet wrote: > >> The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is >> something like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a >> process to order machines without an OS for the small number of >> people who would even request that sort of thing, you can see why >> the big box manufacturers don't want to deal with it. A local >> computer shop will do it because it's not like they have to >> interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mark A. Lappin" >> To: "general@brlug.net" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >> Central >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other >> browsers? >> >>> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could >>> not get a preloaded linux one >>> from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit >>> better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. >> >> >> >> A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as >> my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered >> OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User >> desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it >> installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get >> into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be >> a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to >> mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more >> people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago >> and that makes a big difference. >> >> Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to >> as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in >> working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate >> purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local >> computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS >> (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few >> bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM >> Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS >> option in various web based build your computer interfaces - >> remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and >> have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an >> option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to >> save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated >> and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% >> agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user >> but I can see >> why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and >> thus
Re: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes!
Final Count On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > Guys, > Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed me we can > only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning area we > would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably need some > volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really packed. > Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! > > later, > > On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: >> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until he's >> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time.. >> >> the CHIMES has universal approval... >> >> Lets put a date on itThis Week? (I'll be out of town next week) >> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? >> >> >> Vote up ppl... >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker >> wrote: >> > Congrats on the Babyneeds a tux hat..or when the diapers get >> > smelly a BSD daemon dolllol >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga > wrote: >> >> Good Job man, congratulations! >> >> >> >> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. >> >> >> >> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey > and it >> >> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and > friendly >> >> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad > experiences >> >> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. >> >> >> >> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. >> >> Food >> >> tastes better too! That is the one. >> >> >> >> AZ >> >> >> >> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >> >>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes that's at >> >>> the >> >>> gates at LSU!!! >> >>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a >> >>> baby > 1 >> >>> week and 1 day ago!!! >> >>> bb >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > Chimes is good for me too! >> >>> > >> >>> > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >> >>> > > Vote in folks dates and locations ... >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of >> >>> > > March) >> >>> > > >> >>> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >> >>> > > >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> > > > Hooters, Yesss! >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could > easily >> >>> > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Let's do this! >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > AZ >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >> >>> > > >> Gang, >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> It has been too long.How about another Geek Feast. Which >> >>> > > >> resturant shall we invade? >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> Craig >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> ___ >> >>> > > >> General mailing list >> >>> > > >> General@brlug.net >> >>> > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > ___ >> >>> > > > General mailing list >> >>> > > > General@brlug.net >> >>> > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > ___ >> >>> > > General mailing list >> >>> > > General@brlug.net >> >>> > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > ___ >> >>> > General mailing list >> >>> > General@brlug.net >> >>> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >> >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> General mailing list >> >> General@brlug.net >> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> > >> >> ___ >> General mailing list >> General@brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes!
I am in for tomorrow. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents kart...@poobal.net kart...@la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:38 PM, CM Banker wrote: > Final Count > > On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: >> Guys, >> Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed >> me we can >> only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning >> area we >> would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably >> need some >> volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really >> packed. >> Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! >> >> later, >> >> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: >>> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until >>> he's >>> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time.. >>> >>> the CHIMES has universal approval... >>> >>> Lets put a date on itThis Week? (I'll be out of town next week) >>> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? >>> >>> >>> Vote up ppl... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker >>> wrote: Congrats on the Babyneeds a tux hat..or when the diapers get smelly a BSD daemon dolllol On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga >> wrote: > Good Job man, congratulations! > > Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. > > I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on > Coursey >> and it > not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and >> friendly > as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad >> experiences > and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. > > I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite > often. > Food > tastes better too! That is the one. > > AZ > > On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes >> that's at >> the >> gates at LSU!!! >> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just >> had a >> baby >> 1 >> week and 1 day ago!!! >> bb >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > > >> wrote: >> >>> Chimes is good for me too! >>> >>> On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: Vote in folks dates and locations ... Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>> wrote: > Hooters, Yesss! > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which > could >> easily > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > > Let's do this! > > AZ > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >> Gang, >> >> It has been too long.How about another Geek Feast. Which >> resturant shall we invade? >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> General mailing list >> General@brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >>> ___ >>> General mailing list >>> General@brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >> > > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> >>> ___ >>> General mailing list >>> General@brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >> >> ___ >> General mailing list >> General@brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net ___ General mailing list General@brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
Re: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes!
i'm out, i have company for a few nights. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Karthik Poobal wrote: > I am in for tomorrow. > -- > Karthik Poobalasubramanian > Louisiana Board of Regents > kart...@poobal.net > kart...@la.gov > 225-910-6126 > skype: poobal > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:38 PM, CM Banker wrote: > > > Final Count > > > > On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > >> Guys, > >> Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed > >> me we can > >> only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning > >> area we > >> would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably > >> need some > >> volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really > >> packed. > >> Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! > >> > >> later, > >> > >> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: > >>> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until > >>> he's > >>> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time.. > >>> > >>> the CHIMES has universal approval... > >>> > >>> Lets put a date on itThis Week? (I'll be out of town next week) > >>> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? > >>> > >>> > >>> Vote up ppl... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker > >>> > > > >>> wrote: > Congrats on the Babyneeds a tux hat..or when the diapers get > smelly a BSD daemon dolllol > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga > > >> wrote: > > Good Job man, congratulations! > > > > Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. > > > > I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on > > Coursey > >> and it > > not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and > >> friendly > > as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad > >> experiences > > and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. > > > > I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite > > often. > > Food > > tastes better too! That is the one. > > > > AZ > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: > >> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes > >> that's at > >> the > >> gates at LSU!!! > >> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just > >> had a > >> baby > >> 1 > >> week and 1 day ago!!! > >> bb > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Chimes is good for me too! > >>> > >>> On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: > Vote in folks dates and locations ... > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of > March) > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > > >>> wrote: > > Hooters, Yesss! > > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which > > could > >> easily > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > > > > Let's do this! > > > > AZ > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > >> Gang, > >> > >> It has been too long.How about another Geek Feast. Which > >> resturant shall we invade? > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> ___ > >> General mailing list > >> General@brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> > > > > ___ > > General mailing list > > General@brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > ___ > General mailing list > General@brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> General mailing list > >>> General@brlug.net > >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Have Mercy & Say Yeah > >> > > > > ___ > > General mailing list > > General@brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> General mailing list > >>> General@brlug.net > >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> General mailing list > >> General@brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> > > > >
