Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[James Carman]

How about ErroRat, a play on Ararat?

On 10/24/07, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like plain rat, and since rat is common word I doubt we have to
> worry about trademark violations.  I also don't confuse it with any
> other projects in the java space.. so I think it's ok.
>
> On 10/23/07, Robert Burrell Donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RatProposal has been stable for a
> > while now so i'd like to throw it open to final scrutiny before i call
> > for a VOTE. (please don't vote yet ;-)
> >
> > the name "RAT" has been discussed previously - see
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200710.mbox/[EMAIL
> >  PROTECTED]
> > RAT is a good name and popular but i'm still a little concerned that
> > there are existing open source projects named RAT as well as
> > commercial software containing RAT in their name. Apache aRAT has the
> > advantage of being unused but the disadvantage of being a common name
> > in some other languages. if anyone strongly disagrees with the
> > consensus that RAT is ok and prefers aRAT please jump in now.
> >
> > - robert
> >
> > Rat Proposal
> > ==
> > Abstract
> > --
> > RAT is comprehension and auditing for distributions and source code.
> >
> > Proposal
> > ---
> > RAT will provide a focus for components, applications and integration
> > tools for the comprehension and audit of distributions and source
> > code. It will collect data and meta-data as required. It will create
> > suitable schemas for this data and meta-data as required.
> >
> > Background
> > --
> > RAT began as an attempt to automate the technical part of reviewing
> > releases in the incubator. Following requests for access from release
> > managers, RAT was developed as an open source project under the Apache
> > License 2.0.
> >
> > Rationale
> > ---
> > Reviewing releases for compliance with Apache technical criteria and
> > policies is time consuming. The Incubator requires that all releases
> > are reviewed. Though small mistakes are common, this process typically
> > adds only a little value. It is common for candidates to be presented
> > with small but significant defects which then must be fixed and the
> > candidate represented. Significant energy and good will is wasted by
> > this process.
> >
> > This is unnecessary. Given effort, these technical criteria are
> > capable of automation.
> >
> > Automated continuous checking of the source would allow the Incubator
> > PMC to be alerted promptly to potential issues. Integration with build
> > tools (such as Apache Ant and Apache Maven) would allow releases to be
> > checked automatically and continuously.
> >
> > Initial Goals
> > -
> > * Read standard license meta-data for documents without license headers
> > * Improved RAT reporting
> > * RAT source reporting for major build tools
> > * Continuous RAT
> > * RAT analytics: using meta-data to verify rules
> >   o Apache third party documents policy analysis
> >   o license compatibility analysis
> > * Discordia integration to allow distributed binaries to be recognised
> > * RAT analytic integration for major build tools
> > * Improved recursive RAT scripts for better analysis of release
> > with many distributables
> >
> > Current Status
> > 
> > Meritocracy
> > --
> > I'm very happy to move from a solo development model towards a
> > collective one as more active developers are recruited.
> >
> > Community
> > -
> > The RAT community needs to be developed. Having RAT here at Apache
> > will hopefully encourage release managers to take a more active role
> > in developing RAT.
> > Core Developers
> >
> > It has been developed principally by myself but with significant
> > contributions of small amounts of code from other Apache members and
> > committers.
> >
> > Alignment
> > 
> > RAT has found itself becoming a standard part of the Apache release
> > infrastructure. The Incubator needs fully featured release tools. It
> > makes sense to bring the project here.
> >
> > Known Risks
> > ==
> > Orphaned Projects
> > --
> > This is a project with a set of definite goals aimed at serving the
> > wider Apache community. There may well come a time when the coding is
> > actually finished. It has a small set of developers who all have many
> > other calls on their time. The target user audience is relatively
> > small. So, this risk is real.
> >
> > I think that it's clear that something similar to RAT is required. So,
> > unless another better product is developed, time will be found to push
> > RAT forward. Even if one day, RAT is orphaned then it will have done
> > it's job.
> >
> > Inexperience With Open Source
> > -
> > The contributors are Apache members or experienced Apache committers.
> >
> > Reliance On Salaried D

Re: Graduate Tuscany as a top level project

[Robert Burrell Donkin]

On 10/24/07, Matt Hogstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Thanks for this feedback.  I think you raise a good point that one of
> the goals of community building is discovering a community's true
> synergies and strengths and that sometimes the right outcome is not a
> single community.  Where goals are mis-aligned then a respectful
> change of direction is sometimes the best path.  I trust your work is
> going well over at Codehaus and that y'all are fairing well and
> building a community is going also flourishing.

+1

> Although I don't follow the Fabric 3 work I can say that Tuscany has
> settled into a pace and cadence that suits them.  I trust you are on
> a similar path.

+1

i've been a passive subscriber to the tuscany list for quite a while
now and to me, from the lists, it feels like an open community

- robert

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Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD

[Yoav Shapira]

Hi,
Cool proposal!  I have a couple of questions, just out of curiosity.

On 10/24/07, Ting Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in China.  More than 40,000 students has benefited from it.  Our developing
> website  is http://202.117.16.176/ , source code is also available.
> All source code of this project is written by ourselves, no third
> part components are included.

I could only see the source code for CWPlayer.  I download it, and it
seems to be written in Pascal.  Is that true?  (I have nothing for or
against Pascal, just hadn't seen anything written in Pascal in a few
years, so I wanted to ask) ;)

> Currently, all developers of "Blue Sky Distance Collaboration System"
> are not native speaker of  English.  But  we don't have any obstacles to
> communicate in English on technical topics. We want to share our work
> with people who is interested in it around the world. We want new
> volunteers to make our team more diverse, active and creative.

I'm sure we'll be fine with respect to communications ;)

> For this is our first candidate project to Apache Foundation. We are
> grateful for your ideas!

As you know IBM has contributed a bunch of stuff to Apache in the past
(and present).  Are you part of IBM?  Do you need their (IBM legal
department) approval for this, and if so, have you already gotten
their approval?

Yoav

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Kevan Miller]

On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:


http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RatProposal has been stable for a
while now so i'd like to throw it open to final scrutiny before i call
for a VOTE. (please don't vote yet ;-)

the name "RAT" has been discussed previously - see
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/ 
200710.mbox/% 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RAT is a good name and popular but i'm still a little concerned that
there are existing open source projects named RAT as well as
commercial software containing RAT in their name. Apache aRAT has the
advantage of being unused but the disadvantage of being a common name
in some other languages. if anyone strongly disagrees with the
consensus that RAT is ok and prefers aRAT please jump in now.


Looks good to me.

As a RAT user, I look forward to improved RAT capabilities. There's  
the other side of the coin which I think communities need help with  
-- and that's tools to help simplify the building of legally  
compliant distributions. There's been some work with the maven-remote- 
resources-plugin, but that's fodder for another conversation...


I like the name RAT.

Can anybody give me guidance on how unique names need to be? For  
instance there's currently a vote to accept 'Apache Composer'. A  
simple search on 'composer open source' turns up a number of open  
source projects with 'composer' in their name (Violet Composer,  
Mozilla Composer, Eclipse EPF Composer). Should I have been more  
diligent in reviewing the Composer proposal? By comparison, RAT looks  
more unique...


--kevan

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Yoav Shapira]

Hey,

On 10/25/07, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anybody give me guidance on how unique names need to be? For

My take on it (IANAL) is that uniqueness doesn't matter.  In fact,
that's why there's already N>1 projects named "Composer" as you noted
in your example.  Project name uniqueness should not be a criterion
for Incubator acceptance.  I would even go further and say clear
copyright infringement is probably the only reason to ask for a name
change.  Otherwise, let the project's PMC decide.

Sometimes it's useful to let the PMC know there are other names, and
they might consider uniqueness as a marketing tactic or a
differentiator.  But that's just advice, not a reason to vote -1.

Anyhow, that's my personal take on it.  I like to be permissive in
these sort of artistic expression issues.

Yoav

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RE: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Noel J. Bergman]

> RAT is a good name and popular but i'm still a little concerned that
> there are existing open source projects named RAT as well as
> commercial software containing RAT in their name.

aRATicate, known as RAT for short?  ;-)

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Re: 'Handling Crypto..' - River project

[Carl Trieloff]

Top-posting as it is related but different question. I would like to 
contribute to the
apache legal questions/ answers / discussing. What is the process for 
joining

apache legal?

(I am not a lawyer)
Carl.

William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Keep in mind, "Sun" stuff wasn't necessarily handled under generally 
available
open source TSU (exception) classifications, but as commercial 
"product".  This
is, in part, why distributors may have issues using our exceptions and 
our

classifications (their export legal advisors know better).

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Bill

Jim Hurley wrote:

We're (River incubator project) trying to comply with:
"Handling Cryptography within an ASF Release"


This process talks only about software that has been
self classified as 5D002 (has strong crypto classification).
Parts of the Sun Jini Technology Starter Kit (the base contribution
for the River project) were classified as 5D992.b.1, which is
a different classification.  From the ASF perspective, should
we treat this (5D992) classification as effectively "no crypto"?

Need some guidance and insight to help us understand
what we need to do to comply.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[sebb]

RATify?

Or rat as in the verb -  to rat on something ;-)


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> > RAT is a good name and popular but i'm still a little concerned that
> > there are existing open source projects named RAT as well as
> > commercial software containing RAT in their name.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Matthias Wessendorf]

On 10/25/07, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> RATify?

that sounds cool(er) ;)

>
> Or rat as in the verb -  to rat on something ;-)
>
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> On 25/10/2007, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > RAT is a good name and popular but i'm still a little concerned that
> > > there are existing open source projects named RAT as well as
> > > commercial software containing RAT in their name.
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RE: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Noel J. Bergman]

Yoav Shapira wrote:

> Project name uniqueness should not be a criterion for Incubator
> acceptance.  I would even go further and say clear copyright
> infringement is probably the only reason to ask for a name change.

You mean trademark?  :-)

--- Noel


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Davanum Srinivas]

RATify ratifies Artifacts? :) cool!

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On 10/25/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/25/07, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > RATify?
>
> that sounds cool(er) ;)
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> > Or rat as in the verb -  to rat on something ;-)
> >
> >
> > On 25/10/2007, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > RAT is a good name and popular but i'm still a little concerned that
> > > > there are existing open source projects named RAT as well as
> > > > commercial software containing RAT in their name.
> > >
> > > aRATicate, known as RAT for short?  ;-)
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Craig L Russell]

Personally, I prefer RAT over RATify regardless of the  
capitalization. Let's leave something to the imagination...


But in the end, I'll defer to the authors.

Craig

On Oct 25, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:


RATify ratifies Artifacts? :) cool!

-- dims

On 10/25/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 10/25/07, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RATify?


that sounds cool(er) ;)



Or rat as in the verb -  to rat on something ;-)


On 25/10/2007, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
RAT is a good name and popular but i'm still a little concerned  
that

there are existing open source projects named RAT as well as
commercial software containing RAT in their name.


aRATicate, known as RAT for short?  ;-)

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Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD

[Filip at Apache]

Yoav Shapira wrote:

Hi,
Cool proposal!  I have a couple of questions, just out of curiosity.

On 10/24/07, Ting Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

in China.  More than 40,000 students has benefited from it.  Our developing
website  is http://202.117.16.176/ , source code is also available.
All source code of this project is written by ourselves, no third
part components are included.



I could only see the source code for CWPlayer.  I download it, and it
seems to be written in Pascal.  Is that true?  (I have nothing for or
against Pascal, just hadn't seen anything written in Pascal in a few
years, so I wanted to ask) ;)
  

I believe it's written using Borland Delphi, Pascal on steroids.
I wonder if there is a compiler for this, it would suck to have open 
source code that you can't compile cause there is no compiler available :)
I know borland has a delphi explorer for free, with a compiler, but that 
not all extensions are available.

think it might be worth looking into

Filip

  

Currently, all developers of "Blue Sky Distance Collaboration System"
are not native speaker of  English.  But  we don't have any obstacles to
communicate in English on technical topics. We want to share our work
with people who is interested in it around the world. We want new
volunteers to make our team more diverse, active and creative.



I'm sure we'll be fine with respect to communications ;)

  

For this is our first candidate project to Apache Foundation. We are
grateful for your ideas!



As you know IBM has contributed a bunch of stuff to Apache in the past
(and present).  Are you part of IBM?  Do you need their (IBM legal
department) approval for this, and if so, have you already gotten
their approval?

Yoav

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On 10/25/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I prefer RAT over RATify regardless of the
> capitalization. Let's leave something to the imagination...

Same here, Apache RAT sounds good to me.
-Bertrand

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Re: 'Handling Crypto..' - River project

[William A. Rowe, Jr.]

Carl Trieloff wrote:


Top-posting as it is related but different question. I would like to 
contribute to the
apache legal questions/ answers / discussing. What is the process for 
joining

apache legal?


Answered this on legal-discuss.  Please don't xpost internal and public
discussion lists.

legal-discuss can be read by any committers to the ASF, you are welcome
to use it to raise any IP/export/licensing/similar questions.

Bill

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Deepal jayasinghe]

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Yoav Shapira wrote:
>
>   
>> Project name uniqueness should not be a criterion for Incubator
>> acceptance.  I would even go further and say clear copyright
>> infringement is probably the only reason to ask for a name change.
>> 
>
> You mean trademark?  :-)
>   
Noel , I cam imagine why did you ask this question   :)

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[apachecon eu'08] Guide to successful incubation at the ASF

[Martijn Dashorst]

I just sent a proposal to the apache con CFP for a presentation on
successful incubation.

Unfortunately the title was submitted wrongly, and the apache con site
doesn't allow editing of the title of a submitted proposal.

Title: Guide to successful graduation at the ASF
(should be: Guide to successful incubation at the ASF)

The abstract:

Many projects aspire to join the Apache Software Foundation and are
anxious to take the plunge. The ASF has instituted a special project
for guiding and mentoring aspiring projects to become a successful
project under the Apache umbrella: the incubator. Any new project
needs to go through the incubator before it can be established as an
Apache project. Many projects have passed through the incubator and
some got stranded there.

Learn what makes a project successful and what makes a project fail.
You will learn from real projects that successfully graduated or
failed for various reasons.

Learn how to enter the incubator, foster your project under guidance
of the incubator's mentors, how graduation works and what comes next.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache RAT

[Yoav Shapira]

Hi,

On 10/25/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yoav Shapira wrote:
>
> > Project name uniqueness should not be a criterion for Incubator
> > acceptance.  I would even go further and say clear copyright
> > infringement is probably the only reason to ask for a name change.
>
> You mean trademark?  :-)

Yes.  My mistake, sorry for the confusion, if any ;)

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Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD

[Bill Stoddard]

Ni Hao, Ting Peng
This is an interesting project.  I'm happy to be a mentor if the project 
is accepted for incubation.


How familiar is the Bluesky team with open source development at the 
Apache Software Foundation?  I'll be in Beijing the week of 12/3.  If 
you are interested, I can fly to Xi'an on 12/8 and meet with the Bluesky 
developers at XJTU and talk about open source development at the ASF.  I 
must depart Xi'an on 12/11. Let me know if you are interested, I would 
really enjoy meeting with you.


Regards,
Bill

Ting Peng wrote:

Hello, everyone!

Now, we are going to move our project BlueSky (Blue Sky Distance
Collaboration
System) to Apache Incubator for future development. Its aim is to make
people under the sky to communicate and share resources with each other
more easily. When, the system is employed, users can communicated via
audio/video(computer screen also included) and text at the same time.
In other words, Multi-Object Multimedia capable makes the system more
vivid and glamorous. Cosmic Resource Share & Management System is also
included. It provides unique portal for users to share resources(such as
multi-object multimedia course ware).  It's proposal is at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BSDCSProposal
The system has been developed for years, more than 20 persons are
involved. It is used in distance learning in primary and middle schools
in China.  More than 40,000 students has benefited from it.  Our developing
website  is http://202.117.16.176/ , source code is also available.
All source code of this project is written by ourselves, no third
part components are included.

Currently, all developers of "Blue Sky Distance Collaboration System"
are not native speaker of  English.  But  we don't have any obstacles to
communicate in English on technical topics. We want to share our work
with people who is interested in it around the world. We want new
volunteers to make our team more diverse, active and creative.

For this is our first candidate project to Apache Foundation. We are
grateful for your ideas!

We are looking forward for your advice!


--

   Best regards!

Ting Peng ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
XJTU-IBM Open Tech. R&D Center

  



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Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD

[Alex Karasulu]

Hello,

I just wanted to chime in a little bit about the importance of a project
like this.  Although I
don't have enough time to properly mentor this project I hope others will
think about doing so.
I even debated why I was spending the time writing this email.  If others do
not volunteer I will
try to make the time to help ensure it at least has a chance.

Initially I ignored the proposal after a quick read. It seemed completely
unrelated to the
technical topics I've been interested in.  It seemed more of a completed
product that
some folks wanted to push here.  As a result I felt it may take far too much
effort to make
those involved really understand the Apache way.  It just did not feel like
my cup of tea.

I don't know just how much effort this will take but regardless I think the
expenditure is
well worth it for the sake of being able to collaborate better as a
community and for the world
as well. We created tools like ant and maven here because they facilitate
our processes but
this tool is no different.  Perhaps no, it is more essential since it
provides the element which a
community needs most: collaboration.

This project is well worth any effort we can spare because it can help
further collaboration,
education and other distributed activities around the world. It can

  o bring distant people together to form communities
  o save time, money, and energy (literally fuel) when people no longer have
to travel for school or other activities
  o reduce pollution and lesson global tensions due to less consumption of
limited fossil fuels
  o make people understand each other better in a world where people often
misunderstand each other
  o further education which seems to be failing to reach or affect the
masses - after all democracy does not
 work without education (because then the idiot sons of the rich run the
show - OK that's OT :) )

Really I'm not so much a green guy nor a serious humanist.  But it's clear
that half of the dependence on
fossil fuels would go away if the online collaboration tools worked well
enough to develop a culture around
their use.  If it can help ignite a mass utilization that depends more on
online collaboration rather than travel, then
I think a global impact can result.  Maybe this is a pipe dream but if it
has any potential even of reaching a
fraction of this pipe dream then it is something worth considering. I just
apologize for not seeing this potential
earlier.  I even discredited the proposal and it's viability.  Sorry for
that, I was ignorant.

Yesterday, I told a friend, "half our problems would go away if we all
started using bikes and the Internet."
Not referring to porn :). I said this to express my wish for more people in
America to be able to telecommute.
He triggered what changed my thoughts regarding this project by saying,
"yeah but the tools are not there
yet to enable people to effectively collaborate online."

Tools like this will help OS a great deal: collaboration and community go
hand in hand.  Furthermore it helps
the general populous and my help lead to a better future for our little
planet.  Let's face it if this place goes to
hell in a hand basket then there's not going to be much time for open source
projects.  If we can save two birds
with the same project then let's go for it.

Now I'll find a place to hide as I get ridiculed for this post :-).

Alex

On 10/25/07, Bill Stoddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ni Hao, Ting Peng
> This is an interesting project.  I'm happy to be a mentor if the project
> is accepted for incubation.
>
> How familiar is the Bluesky team with open source development at the
> Apache Software Foundation?  I'll be in Beijing the week of 12/3.  If
> you are interested, I can fly to Xi'an on 12/8 and meet with the Bluesky
> developers at XJTU and talk about open source development at the ASF.  I
> must depart Xi'an on 12/11. Let me know if you are interested, I would
> really enjoy meeting with you.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
> Ting Peng wrote:
> > Hello, everyone!
> >
> > Now, we are going to move our project BlueSky (Blue Sky Distance
> > Collaboration
> > System) to Apache Incubator for future development. Its aim is to make
> > people under the sky to communicate and share resources with each other
> > more easily. When, the system is employed, users can communicated via
> > audio/video(computer screen also included) and text at the same time.
> > In other words, Multi-Object Multimedia capable makes the system more
> > vivid and glamorous. Cosmic Resource Share & Management System is also
> > included. It provides unique portal for users to share resources(such as
> > multi-object multimedia course ware).  It's proposal is at
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BSDCSProposal
> > The system has been developed for years, more than 20 persons are
> > involved. It is used in distance learning in primary and middle schools
> > in China.  More than 40,000 students has benefited from it.  Our
> developing
> > website  is

Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD

[Raymond Feng]

Hi, Alex.

I think you have made quite a few very good points here. Just speaking for 
us who work on the open source projects, communication is key to 
collaboration which is critical for a healthy community. An open source 
platform like BlueSky will be of great help to bring the developers around 
the world much closer beyond the mailing list and IRC.


Thanks,
Raymond

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Karasulu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD



Hello,

I just wanted to chime in a little bit about the importance of a project
like this.  Although I
don't have enough time to properly mentor this project I hope others will
think about doing so.
I even debated why I was spending the time writing this email.  If others 
do

not volunteer I will
try to make the time to help ensure it at least has a chance.

Initially I ignored the proposal after a quick read. It seemed completely
unrelated to the
technical topics I've been interested in.  It seemed more of a completed
product that
some folks wanted to push here.  As a result I felt it may take far too 
much

effort to make
those involved really understand the Apache way.  It just did not feel 
like

my cup of tea.

I don't know just how much effort this will take but regardless I think 
the

expenditure is
well worth it for the sake of being able to collaborate better as a
community and for the world
as well. We created tools like ant and maven here because they facilitate
our processes but
this tool is no different.  Perhaps no, it is more essential since it
provides the element which a
community needs most: collaboration.

This project is well worth any effort we can spare because it can help
further collaboration,
education and other distributed activities around the world. It can

 o bring distant people together to form communities
 o save time, money, and energy (literally fuel) when people no longer 
have

to travel for school or other activities
 o reduce pollution and lesson global tensions due to less consumption of
limited fossil fuels
 o make people understand each other better in a world where people often
misunderstand each other
 o further education which seems to be failing to reach or affect the
masses - after all democracy does not
work without education (because then the idiot sons of the rich run 
the

show - OK that's OT :) )

Really I'm not so much a green guy nor a serious humanist.  But it's clear
that half of the dependence on
fossil fuels would go away if the online collaboration tools worked well
enough to develop a culture around
their use.  If it can help ignite a mass utilization that depends more on
online collaboration rather than travel, then
I think a global impact can result.  Maybe this is a pipe dream but if it
has any potential even of reaching a
fraction of this pipe dream then it is something worth considering. I just
apologize for not seeing this potential
earlier.  I even discredited the proposal and it's viability.  Sorry for
that, I was ignorant.

Yesterday, I told a friend, "half our problems would go away if we all
started using bikes and the Internet."
Not referring to porn :). I said this to express my wish for more people 
in

America to be able to telecommute.
He triggered what changed my thoughts regarding this project by saying,
"yeah but the tools are not there
yet to enable people to effectively collaborate online."

Tools like this will help OS a great deal: collaboration and community go
hand in hand.  Furthermore it helps
the general populous and my help lead to a better future for our little
planet.  Let's face it if this place goes to
hell in a hand basket then there's not going to be much time for open 
source

projects.  If we can save two birds
with the same project then let's go for it.

Now I'll find a place to hide as I get ridiculed for this post :-).

Alex

On 10/25/07, Bill Stoddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ni Hao, Ting Peng
This is an interesting project.  I'm happy to be a mentor if the project
is accepted for incubation.

How familiar is the Bluesky team with open source development at the
Apache Software Foundation?  I'll be in Beijing the week of 12/3.  If
you are interested, I can fly to Xi'an on 12/8 and meet with the Bluesky
developers at XJTU and talk about open source development at the ASF.  I
must depart Xi'an on 12/11. Let me know if you are interested, I would
really enjoy meeting with you.

Regards,
Bill

Ting Peng wrote:
> Hello, everyone!
>
> Now, we are going to move our project BlueSky (Blue Sky Distance
> Collaboration
> System) to Apache Incubator for future development. Its aim is to make
> people under the sky to communicate and share resources with each other
> more easily. When, the system is employed, users can communicated via
> audio/video(computer screen also included) and text at the same time.
> In other words, Multi-Object Multimedia capable makes the system m

Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD

[Raymond Feng]

Hi,

I tried to download the source code in zip format. I noticed that some of 
the file/directory names contain Chinese characters. It would be more 
compatible to use ASCII file names.


Thanks,
Raymond

- Original Message - 
From: "Ting Peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:02 PM
Subject: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD



Hello, everyone!

Now, we are going to move our project BlueSky (Blue Sky Distance
Collaboration
System) to Apache Incubator for future development. Its aim is to make
people under the sky to communicate and share resources with each other
more easily. When, the system is employed, users can communicated via
audio/video(computer screen also included) and text at the same time.
In other words, Multi-Object Multimedia capable makes the system more
vivid and glamorous. Cosmic Resource Share & Management System is also
included. It provides unique portal for users to share resources(such as
multi-object multimedia course ware).  It's proposal is at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BSDCSProposal
The system has been developed for years, more than 20 persons are
involved. It is used in distance learning in primary and middle schools
in China.  More than 40,000 students has benefited from it.  Our 
developing

website  is http://202.117.16.176/ , source code is also available.
All source code of this project is written by ourselves, no third
part components are included.

Currently, all developers of "Blue Sky Distance Collaboration System"
are not native speaker of  English.  But  we don't have any obstacles to
communicate in English on technical topics. We want to share our work
with people who is interested in it around the world. We want new
volunteers to make our team more diverse, active and creative.

For this is our first candidate project to Apache Foundation. We are
grateful for your ideas!

We are looking forward for your advice!


--

  Best regards!

Ting Peng ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
XJTU-IBM Open Tech. R&D Center




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Re: [Proposal Draft]BlueSky-Wish to ADD

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On 10/25/07, Ting Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>...Our developing
> website  is http://202.117.16.176/ , source code is also available

What language(s) is the software written in?

-Bertrand

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