Re: How to start a new workflow project on ASF

[Janne Jalkanen]

* you'll need to relicense from LGPL to ASL 2.0, can you have a  
written
agreement from all the copyright holders (probably all past  
committers)?


At least for JSPWiki this was a fairly big job.  You might want to  
look at http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ApacheRelicensing for the kind of  
tracking we did.  In the end, we had to reimplement two software  
modules because we couldn't get Software Grants, or the module had so  
many authors we didn't know who really owned the copyright on it.  So  
be prepared for that.


It is a good idea to start simply by firing off an email to all the  
past committers to check if they are even reachable. If you can't  
reach most of them, you know you are in trouble :-).


/Janne

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Re: How to start a new workflow project on ASF

[Matthieu Riou]

For sponsorship, you could also consider ODE, workflow is in our charter and
we have some development going on at the moment in that area (although not
XPDL).

When you'll be writing your proposals there are a few points that you should
address as they're likely to raise questions:

 * you'll need to relicense from LGPL to ASL 2.0, can you have a written
agreement from all the copyright holders (probably all past committers)?
 * in terms of development, there doesn't seem to be much activity in the
past 6 months [1], so what would your incubation goals (i.e. seek more
committers, cross-pollination, more users, ...)

Cheers,
Matthieu

[1] http://www.ohloh.net/p/4278

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Thilo Goetz  wrote:
> > sasaboy wrote:
> >> we are hosting Enhydra Shark workflow engine project on ObjectWeb
> >> (http://shark.objectweb.org/) and would like to move it to Apache
>
> Enhydra...fond memories, I was an early user of the Enhydra web
> framework back in 1988/89, and some of the apps that I created at that
> time are still in use ;-)
>
> > ...My personal, non-official advice:  take the time and go through the
> > archives of this mailing list for the past 6 months or so
>
> Agree with that, and http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ contains lots
> of proposals for past projects that you can use as examples.
>
> You're right that you need a sponsoring project (can be the incubator
> itself), and two or three ASF mentors.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Approve the 2.0.1 release of Apache Click

[Martin Cooper]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:

>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Bob Schellink wrote:
>
>  New snapshots are available and contains the incubation disclaimer.
>>
>> Thanks to Kevan for picking this up.
>>
>> The disclaimer can be found in the distribution root while for maven
>> artifacts the disclaimer can be found under META-INF.
>>
>> New distribution is available here:
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~sabob/click/click/2.0.1/dist/
>>
>> New Maven artifacts are here:
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~sabob/click/click/2.0.1/maven2/
>>
>
> +1
>
> In the future, would be helpful to include the svn url of the code being
> voted on...


AFAIK, you're voting on the bits in the distro, not the source code.

--
Martin Cooper



>
>
> --kevan

Re: [VOTE] Approve the 2.0.1 release of Apache Click

[Kevan Miller]

On Feb 4, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Bob Schellink wrote:


New snapshots are available and contains the incubation disclaimer.

Thanks to Kevan for picking this up.

The disclaimer can be found in the distribution root while for maven  
artifacts the disclaimer can be found under META-INF.


New distribution is available here:

http://people.apache.org/~sabob/click/click/2.0.1/dist/

New Maven artifacts are here:

http://people.apache.org/~sabob/click/click/2.0.1/maven2/


+1

In the future, would be helpful to include the svn url of the code  
being voted on...


--kevan

Re: [VOTE] Approve the 2.0.1 release of Apache Click

[Bob Schellink]

New snapshots are available and contains the incubation disclaimer.

Thanks to Kevan for picking this up.

The disclaimer can be found in the distribution root while for maven 
artifacts the disclaimer can be found under META-INF.


New distribution is available here:

http://people.apache.org/~sabob/click/click/2.0.1/dist/

New Maven artifacts are here:

http://people.apache.org/~sabob/click/click/2.0.1/maven2/

Thanks

Bob


Kevan Miller wrote:


On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Bob Schellink wrote:


Kevan Miller wrote:
Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see an incubator DISCLAIMER as 
required by http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html



Thanks Kevan you're right, will fix and republish.


Have you run RAT against your source? Some files don't have Apache 
source license headers and looks like they should (e.g. 
examples/src/cayenne.xml, etc).



Nods, cayenneXXX.xml are generated files, my understanding is we don't 
add headers to those. Other source files without headers are 
template/*. These files are used to generate a quick-start project, 
thus have no Apache headers. Is this OK?


Yep, that's fine. Thanks for the explanation.

--kevan



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Re: How to start a new workflow project on ASF

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Thilo Goetz  wrote:
> sasaboy wrote:
>> we are hosting Enhydra Shark workflow engine project on ObjectWeb
>> (http://shark.objectweb.org/) and would like to move it to Apache

Enhydra...fond memories, I was an early user of the Enhydra web
framework back in 1988/89, and some of the apps that I created at that
time are still in use ;-)

> ...My personal, non-official advice:  take the time and go through the
> archives of this mailing list for the past 6 months or so

Agree with that, and http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ contains lots
of proposals for past projects that you can use as examples.

You're right that you need a sponsoring project (can be the incubator
itself), and two or three ASF mentors.

-Bertrand

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Re: How to start a new workflow project on ASF

[Ross Gardler]

2009/2/4 sasaboy :
> How do we proceed? Thanks for any input.

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html

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Re: How to start a new workflow project on ASF

[Thilo Goetz]

sasaboy wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> we are hosting Enhydra Shark workflow engine project on ObjectWeb
> (http://shark.objectweb.org/) and would like to move it to Apache.
> We would like to start an incubator project at ASF. How should we proceed?
> As we read, the candidate project should be approved by a sponsor to enter
> the incubator.
> 
> A little bit about Enhydra Shark:
> It is the most popular open-source java workflow engine completely based on
> WfMC standards.
> It uses XPDL1.0 as its native workflow process definition language.
> It can be embedded into other Java applications (Swing, Console, ...) or can
> be used as a server through WebService, EJB, CORBA, ...
> 
> Shark's modular, plug-in architecture makes shark suitable for integration
> into different kind of projects.
> 
> It is a mature project started 5years ago, has a significant community and
> more than 10 downloads on ObjectWeb. It is widely used all around the
> world in production, typically integrated into different kind of
> applications, from DocumentManagement and government applications up to
> applications for special purposes like bank services, HR, Help desk, ... and
> in many, many others
> 
> We would take out the core engine's functionality and WebService wrappers
> from existing Shark project and would continue development on Apache.
> The goal of the Shark project on Apache would be to support XPDL2.1.
> 
> How do we proceed? Thanks for any input.

My personal, non-official advice:  take the time and go through the
archives of this mailing list for the past 6 months or so.  You'll
find the answer to your question, and tons of information that will
be very useful to you down the road (not least of which, you'll get
a feel for how things are done around here).

--Thilo

> 
> Greetings,
> Sasa.
> 
> 

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Re: [VOTE] Approve the 2.0.1 release of Apache Click

[Kevan Miller]

On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Bob Schellink wrote:


Kevan Miller wrote:
Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see an incubator DISCLAIMER as  
required by http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html



Thanks Kevan you're right, will fix and republish.


Have you run RAT against your source? Some files don't have Apache  
source license headers and looks like they should (e.g. examples/ 
src/cayenne.xml, etc).



Nods, cayenneXXX.xml are generated files, my understanding is we  
don't add headers to those. Other source files without headers are  
template/*. These files are used to generate a quick-start project,  
thus have no Apache headers. Is this OK?


Yep, that's fine. Thanks for the explanation.

--kevan

How to start a new workflow project on ASF

[sasaboy]

Dear all,

we are hosting Enhydra Shark workflow engine project on ObjectWeb
(http://shark.objectweb.org/) and would like to move it to Apache.
We would like to start an incubator project at ASF. How should we proceed?
As we read, the candidate project should be approved by a sponsor to enter
the incubator.

A little bit about Enhydra Shark:
It is the most popular open-source java workflow engine completely based on
WfMC standards.
It uses XPDL1.0 as its native workflow process definition language.
It can be embedded into other Java applications (Swing, Console, ...) or can
be used as a server through WebService, EJB, CORBA, ...

Shark's modular, plug-in architecture makes shark suitable for integration
into different kind of projects.

It is a mature project started 5years ago, has a significant community and
more than 10 downloads on ObjectWeb. It is widely used all around the
world in production, typically integrated into different kind of
applications, from DocumentManagement and government applications up to
applications for special purposes like bank services, HR, Help desk, ... and
in many, many others

We would take out the core engine's functionality and WebService wrappers
from existing Shark project and would continue development on Apache.
The goal of the Shark project on Apache would be to support XPDL2.1.

How do we proceed? Thanks for any input.

Greetings,
Sasa.


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